Does anyone know what the -6 means for a 454-6? Bill
Imma guess Ted does, and I see he is looking at this now...
The color!
Thank you Mark. I have one coming in the mail. Guessing its about the same size as a 113H YTS. Bill
never heard of color "6". Is it a special blend? :D
Quote from: Bill B on November 01, 2024, 01:58:02 AMThank you Mark. I have one coming in the mail. Guessing its about the same size as a 113H YTS. Bill
Yes Bill, it is exactly the same as a 113yts. It also has silky smooth 4/1 gears
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 01, 2024, 02:25:17 AMQuote from: Bill B on November 01, 2024, 01:58:02 AMThank you Mark. I have one coming in the mail. Guessing its about the same size as a 113H YTS. Bill
Yes Bill, it is exactly the same as a 113yts. It also has silky smooth 4/1 gears
Thank you Ted. Do you think its a better 40# or 50# reel? Thinking yoyo, dropper loop, and flyline.
It works well for 40-50#. What color is it?
It's a beast, and can handle 100# tuna all day every day
All internal parts are from Penn 113h...bridge,sleeve, gears, drag,yoke,jack,eccentric,. Also a PC 113h DD bridge drops right in
I got a gunmetal wide one from Ted. It is a tank. If I had the guts, I'd mag one of the two mid-width Squidder-size PG's I have but one is from Ted and one Alan gave me. They have jiggy gears and magged, would be pretty close to the perfect bullet proof for most of what I do.
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 01, 2024, 03:45:48 AMAll internal parts are from Penn 113h...bridge,sleeve, gears, drag,yoke,jack,eccentric,.
Not exactly true. They are the same size but there are differences in the Bridge, sleeve and gears. Most parts will interchange; however aftermarket sleeves will tend to bind due to a difference in the way the base of the bridge shaft is ground. The easiest remedy is to use a 113H bridge if changing the sleeve. The gears are also 4:1 not 3.25:1.
Quote from: day0ne on November 01, 2024, 07:36:07 PMQuote from: Maxed Out on November 01, 2024, 03:45:48 AMAll internal parts are from Penn 113h...bridge,sleeve, gears, drag,yoke,jack,eccentric,.
Not exactly true. They are the same size but there are differences in the Bridge, sleeve and gears. Most parts will interchange; however aftermarket sleeves will tend to bind due to a difference in the way the base of the bridge shaft is ground. The easiest remedy is to use a 113H bridge if changing the sleeve. The gears are also 4:1 not 3.25:1.
With all due respect...I put steel sleeve on a stock 454 bridge, and no issues. I also never said the 454 had 3.25 gears. If you read my earlier post, I mentioned the 4/1 ratio gears in a 454. Please get your facts strait before tossing me under the bus....thanks
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 01, 2024, 07:54:33 PMQuote from: day0ne on November 01, 2024, 07:36:07 PMQuote from: Maxed Out on November 01, 2024, 03:45:48 AMAll internal parts are from Penn 113h...bridge,sleeve, gears, drag,yoke,jack,eccentric,.
Not exactly true. They are the same size but there are differences in the Bridge, sleeve and gears. Most parts will interchange; however aftermarket sleeves will tend to bind due to a difference in the way the base of the bridge shaft is ground. The easiest remedy is to use a 113H bridge if changing the sleeve. The gears are also 4:1 not 3.25:1.
With all due respect...I put steel sleeve on a stock 454 bridge, and no issues. I also never said the 454 had 3.25 gears. If you read my earlier post, I mentioned the 4/1 ratio gears in a 454. Please get your facts strait before tossing me under the bus....thanks
Not throwing anyone under a bus, just clarifying your statement that "All internal parts are from Penn 113h". I currently have around 20 of the Pro Gear's that use the 113H sized guts (440, 454, 545, 541, etc) and have rebuilt them all and had the same trouble with aftermarket sleeves on every one of them, I just thought I would mention it. You were lucky yours worked with no modification. I never claimed that you said that the 454 3.25 gears, just commenting on the 4:1 gears again. Lighten up, just trying to help.
Ted and DayOne - Part of what makes what we do special - Just like automotive, if a part "fits", well, maybe it fits. I am NOT going to mention any of our fine aftermarket manufacturers - they ALL do a good job. But with the countless 113H that I have modified, I have ran into my share of parts that just don't want to play nice in a particular reel, but are OK in others. I think it all goes back to the tolerances (at least with the Penn's) that these reels were built in "back in the day". I had a situation a couple of months ago with some aftermarket sleeves; one worked like a dream - one didn't. The one that didn't was set aside and put in another reel - where it worked like a dream. Hven't gotten into a Pro Gear...yet! Have been into a Lee Pro or two however, and needed to massage those 113H parts, both OEM and Aftermarket. Looking forward to seeing Bill's Pro Gear! - john
I have almost as many 113H's, in various configurations,in stock as jigmasters. Yeah, I'm going to say it, maybe too many 🤣🤣🤣🤣. I may try and compare the parts to see what's interchangeable. It should be here middle of next week. This will be my first PG.
What happened to the extra narrow ?
Cheers
Todd
Quote from: Hardy Boy on November 02, 2024, 05:42:43 PMWhat happened to the extra narrow ?
Cheers
Todd
Sometimes a deal falls into your lap ;)
The PG 454 arrived yesterday, the fleabay seller is a first class act. Shipping was fast, albeit it just had to travel from the Bay area to SoCal, purchased Thursday and arrived Monday morning, the reel would rate on a Randy Paulie Scale of 8.99. I could see the plastic reel clamp was broken (before purchase), but not worried about that. There was some salt crusting, most likely left over from a very good fresh water rinse. All screws backed out as they should, with the presence of grease, possibly Cals or Shimano, in all appropriate areas. Now I will admit I know little about PG, but will assume this is an early example due to lack of clicker and a 3 stack drag. No worries I have a 5 stack enroute from Mystic. With the exception of the main gear (bronze) the internals appear to be all SS. Both bearing almost dropped out on their own. The shields are pressed in so I will just soak in a solvent then oil with TSI 321. The right side plate seems like it is ready for a double dog? I'm really liking what I see. This reel has seen little use, but rest assured I will do my best to wear it out. The only question I have is why did it take me so long to jump on the PG band wagon?!? Bill
Quote from: Bill B on November 06, 2024, 01:51:22 AM.The only question I have is why did it take me so long to jump on the PG band wagon?!? Bill
congrats on your 454 reel amigo Bill, I also asked myself the same question, now I have a 454 and the mini tank 545, both reels are beautiful and ready to upgrade them as your wallet allows
Quote from: Bill B on November 06, 2024, 01:51:22 AMNow I will admit I know little about PG, but will assume this is an early example due to lack of clicker and a 3 stack drag.
Clicker or no clicker is an option on a ProGear and doesn't date the reel. I believe most had no clicker. If I remember correctly, the 3-stack drag is also standard. The double dog bridge from Pro Challenger works well on these reels. I personally wouldn't grind on the aluminum side plate. Bryan's 7+1 drag also works well.
Quote from: day0ne on November 06, 2024, 06:52:30 AMQuote from: Bill B on November 06, 2024, 01:51:22 AMNow I will admit I know little about PG, but will assume this is an early example due to lack of clicker and a 3 stack drag.
Clicker or no clicker is an option on a ProGear and doesn't date the reel. I believe most had no clicker. If I remember correctly, the 3-stack drag is also standard. The double dog bridge from Pro Challenger works well on these reels. I personally wouldn't grind on the aluminum side plate. Bryan's 7+1 drag also works well.
Nailed it.
Easy swap to an Alan grip- this reel needs bigger handle.
Quote from: thorhammer on November 12, 2024, 08:54:19 PMEasy swap to an Alan grip- this reel needs bigger handle.
Agree on swapping. Was never a fan of those cylindrical Pro Gear knobs. Not very ergonomic, even if it is the size that you like.
Long whole hand grip knobs are great from cranking under load, but suck for speed winding. Don't know why so many folk put them on reels meant for working lures. I made myself a hollowed out version of the Delrin Tani knob about 3/4 inch diameter that worked OK for speed winding. You can pinch it with a thumb and two fingers.
Sal made some fatty torpedo knobs (halfway to an egg shape) that I think perfectly splits the difference between a speed winding knob and a full handgrip cranker. There are some OEM handles with similar knob shapes, but they don't seem popular around here.
-J
I'm maybe the small minority who like the progear knobs, I still use them on several reels, not a fan of having a handful of knob on smeller reels
The larger handles help with the aurthritus in my wrists.
Knobs are always personal preference. I've switched to full size knobs due to my semi crippled reeling hand. For pump and reel type of fishing, size of knob doesn't seem to matter much, but function should always be more important than form
A big grip locks your wrist. That's a good thing when bearing down on a heavy load.
For reeling against little tension, you do not want your wrist to be locked, you want it to be flexible.
I wish I spent more time cranking on a load rather than just taking up line. But that is not the case.
Not to worry guys, a box arrived today, courtesy of Ted (Maxed Out), with 2 custom grips 😱, 1 shift lever, 1 ultra rare SS star, and enough albacore tuna to last the year, if I don't hide it from the wife, maybe a week 🤣. She already scarfed 1 while I was typing. John (Brewcrafter) gave me an Alan Tani 8 tooth SS gear sleeve and traded a 5 stack drag stack for a Bryan Young 7 stack.
Lee (Keta) has a SS dog enroute to complete this build.
This Pro Gear is turning into a community project, reminiscent of the Nep-Tuna 349HC build many years ago.
The Ohana spirit is awesome. I will post pictures of the build shortly. Bill
I like the PG power handle! I put one on my 545.
PG 454 is a great dropper loop and yoyo reel for yellows. Pro gear handle goes great on Squidders, monofils and 100 surfmasters. Big change from the original tiny handles and knobs.
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 12, 2024, 10:37:52 PMKnobs are always personal preference. I've switched to full size knobs due to my semi crippled reeling hand. For pump and reel type of fishing, size of knob doesn't seem to matter much, but function should always be more important than form
Im a big fan of these style handles, especiallywhen pulling on big fish. Way more leverage to pull fish sideways during the fight.
The Penn VISX handles aren't bad, but i like the bigger handles from Alan. The handles Ted sent are perfect. Now need to choose between the foam and hard plastic. Bill
Bill's posts prompted me to dig out the Pro Gear 440 I have used to check the static water levels in wells and I am planning on fishing it this year. I really should have been using something like a Penn 60 for this.
Quote from: Keta on November 13, 2024, 03:13:50 PMPro Gear 440 I have used to check the static water levels in wells
That's an interesting use of a reel. :d
Quote from: jtwill98 on November 13, 2024, 04:20:49 PMQuote from: Keta on November 13, 2024, 03:13:50 PMPro Gear 440 I have used to check the static water levels in wells
That's an interesting use of a reel. :d
Meh, I have an Abu admiral that I use for raising and lowering my window shades.
8) :d
My son uses a True Temper 622 when flying kites. I gave him the butt section of a broken rod to mount it on. :d
Quote from: Bill B on November 13, 2024, 07:30:17 PMMy son uses a True Temper 622 when flying kites.
I thought we all did that in our youth. It was alway fun to see how high the kite would fly, but it was limited in height by the weight of the line. Sorry to hijack the real intent of this thread.
Spectra kite line gives you much more distance.
Quote from: Bill B on November 13, 2024, 03:17:59 AMNot to worry guys, a box arrived today, courtesy of Ted (Maxed Out), with 2 custom grips 😱, 1 shift lever, 1 ultra rare SS star, and enough albacore tuna to last the year, if I don't hide it from the wife, maybe a week 🤣. She already scarfed 1 while I was typing. John (Brewcrafter) gave me an Alan Tani 8 tooth SS gear sleeve and traded a 5 stack drag stack for a Bryan Young 7 stack.
Lee (Keta) has a SS dog enroute to complete this build.
This Pro Gear is turning into a community project, reminiscent of the Nep-Tuna 349HC build many years ago.
The Ohana spirit is awesome. I will post pictures of the build shortly. Bill
Perfect.
Quote from: Bill B on November 13, 2024, 03:17:59 AMNot to worry guys, a box arrived today, courtesy of Ted (Maxed Out), with 2 custom grips 😱, 1 shift lever, 1 ultra rare SS star, and enough albacore tuna to last the year, if I don't hide it from the wife, maybe a week 🤣. She already scarfed 1 while I was typing. John (Brewcrafter) gave me an Alan Tani 8 tooth SS gear sleeve and traded a 5 stack drag stack for a Bryan Young 7 stack.
Lee (Keta) has a SS dog enroute to complete this build.
This Pro Gear is turning into a community project, reminiscent of the Nep-Tuna 349HC build many years ago.
The Ohana spirit is awesome. I will post pictures of the build shortly. Bill
thats how it rolls in the tani ohana group.
those grips looks pretty good and you will have a pretty unique drag star ^-^
;D ;D about the wife "stealing" Ted's albacore. ;D ;D
Another interesting question is what kind of reel will you build out around the PG Star, handle and sleeve...
Quote from: thorhammer on November 14, 2024, 01:18:51 PMAnother interesting question is what kind of reel will you build out around the PG Star, handle and sleeve...
The handle went to Lee and the star will most likely end up on the YTS I recently finished. 1 of Ted's handles will probably end up on the YTS too.
The PG is finished, thank you to all. Handle, star, and shift lever from Ted. He told me the SS star is 1 of very few ever made. The polish is outstanding and really looks great as a contrasting finish. John (Brewcrafter) and I were really surprised how light it was, could easily be confused with aluminum. Speaking of John he donated an 8 tooth stainless steel gear sleeve and traded a 5 stack drag set for a Bryan Young 7 stack. It took a little (really a lot) of persuasion to get the sleeve on the post. With .0004" of an inch clearance it was TIGHT, but with some TSI and 5 minutes of turning it is smooth and has no play whatsoever. Lee (Keta), after an expedition I to his shop, found a stash of unobtanium SS dogs along with some other Old But Gold parts. I was somewhat concerned about the main gear, it appears to be brass, but after checking it with a magnet I'm guessing brass plated stainless steel. It attracts the magnet but not like steel would. After a liberal application of TSI 321, Penn Blue Grease, and Cal's Drag Grease this reel is ready for just about anything. The Pro Gear now joins my family of 113H class reels, 113HLW, 113H, Pro Gear 454, 113N Baja Special, and 113 Yellowtail Special. Just need to visit my favorite Bay Area line shop for some 65# solid braid and a 50# mono topshot.
P.S. Ted the wife and her friends are putting a big hurt on the Jalapeño Albacore 🍻
JB Line One is just a text away Bill.
Quote from: Keta on November 17, 2024, 09:55:09 PMJB Line One is just a text away Bill.
I appreciate the offer Lee. I wish I had a line winder so I could spool it.
Magnifico !!!
:d
Quote from: Maxed Out on November 01, 2024, 02:25:17 AMQuote from: Bill B on November 01, 2024, 01:58:02 AMThank you Mark. I have one coming in the mail. Guessing its about the same size as a 113H YTS. Bill
Yes Bill, it is exactly the same as a 113yts. It also has silky smooth 4/1 gears
No, it's the same as a 113hn Baja special. The YTS will take a full 1/4# of 40# Big Game... 370yds.
Yes Mark, you're correct, but the difference is very miniscule. The 113h yts spool is just a hair over 1/8" wider than the pg454 spool, but same diameter.
🤣 God help me if I ever get to the point where I ever need the extra capacity. But rest assured I will try :d
I prefer the Alan Tani handle myself.
Quote from: mrwilson99 on November 24, 2024, 05:14:51 PMI prefer the Alan Tani handle myself.
Ha that's a beauty David.
Quote from: sciaenops on November 24, 2024, 06:25:42 PMQuote from: mrwilson99 on November 24, 2024, 05:14:51 PMI prefer the Alan Tani handle myself.
Ha that's a beauty David.
Thank you, there's another one to make this a twin set :)