A little while ago my buddy Dom (Broadway) came accross a couple of very rare Accurate frames for a 9/0 and asked me if I would be interested in one. What a question! Thanks Dom! By the way don't send him any emails about them, he just doesn't have anymore. I had to put this frame to good use, so I purchased a 9/0 on ebay. The reel was quite dirty but it cleaned up nicely as you can see from the pics. So here are a couple of shots that I took of the reel.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2102.jpg)
I also installed the double ss dogs, if interested contact Lee (Keta). I'm showing a shot of the pinion, although this reel shares the same drags as the 114H the pinion gear is much beefier. I personally believe that this reel can be pushed to 30lb with no issues. I will be installing the ss sleeve as soon as I get a hold of one.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2105.jpg)
And here is the finished reel.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2114.jpg)
This is one sweet-looking reel.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2109.jpg)
I just want to mention that I do not use a power screwdriver with any aluminum frames. I tourque the screws by hand. Enjoy! Sal
Great work Sal - yet another triumph. ;D
Definitely a sweet-looking reel.
Planning to do my 10/0 next week - got the extra dog yesterday...
Cheers for sharing!
All the best, Justin
Nice
Sal: Great job as usual. Are SS sleeves out there for this reel? If so where?
Lee do you have SS dogs for this reel? If so send me a couple with an invoice. Dominick
Sal says they are part 15-114H I'll toss in another pair.
Sal does it again.
SS gear sleeves are available for this reel. It's the same as a 6/0 SS gear sleeve. I just cannot remember where to get it from. I need 4 SS gear sleeves myself.
oh nice! :o :o :o :o :o :o
Thanks guys!
Lee, dogs are part# 14-115.
Dominick, the main gear is the same as the 114H, the pinion is different. You know, for a 16th of an inch we're not able to give this reel a little more speed, using stock parts.... not that it needs it.
Justin, go for it! These larger reels are much easier to do, well, I'm still trying to figure out a way for the 14/0 - 16/0.
Take your time with the 10/0, the plate on that reel is harder to get than the 12/0. I made mine a while back, but not ready for assembly, I need to get some more parts. I'm glad you're doing it. Good luck buddy, let me know if you need anything. Sal
Wow, Sal, that thing is sweet! I'm sure you can pretty much catch anything on the East Coast with that Modzilla!
Here's where to get the stainless sleeves, fellas...
http://www.fishermansidealsupply.com/RecreationalTackle.html
http://www.elec-tra-mate.com/
http://www.captharry.com/product/Reels-Accessories-Reel-Accessories/Stainless-Steel-Gear-Stud-for-Penn-Reels/Reels/1540.html
Nice job,
Dom
Congratulations! Just beautiful.
Thanks, Basto!
Thanks for the link Dom, but everytime I go there, I just can't bring myself to buy one. I believe that those guys have been watching us, $40 + shipping is just too much and I'm not a cheap person. Alan was selling them for $25 not long ago and he didn't even charge for shipping, I understand that the cost of material goes up, but I wouldn't pay over $30 for one...if I had too. If costs keeps going up, I'm going back to the stock sleeve, I can get those for around $7... if I place a nice order :-\. Thanks for trying though Dom, I appreciate it. Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 31, 2012, 12:03:52 AM
Thanks, Basto!
Thanks for the link Dom, but everytime I go there, I just can't bring myself to buy one. I believe that those guys have been watching us, $40 + shipping is just too much and I'm not a cheap person. Alan was selling them for $25 not long ago and he didn't even charge for shipping, I understand that the cost of material goes up, but I wouldn't pay over $30 for one...if I had too. If costs keeps going up, I'm going back to the stock sleeve, I can get those for around $7... if I place a nice order :-\. Thanks for trying though Dom, I appreciate it. Sal
Ditto on that. :(
Alan, will you ever have the ss gear sleeves for the 113h and 114h ever again?
George
Sal,
How can you go back to the brass sleeve? ... it's like riches to rags :-\
Wouldn't you lose a lot of drag pressure due to lack of strength?
The prices are steep, but we do need 'em, unfortunately!
Happy to see that frame turn a nice reel to a beast ;)
Dom
Wow what a nice reel if i were to get my hands on one like that it would just go in a case lol
Quote from: broadway on March 31, 2012, 05:13:50 AM
Sal,
How can you go back to the brass sleeve? ... it's like riches to rags :-\
Wouldn't you lose a lot of drag pressure due to lack of strength?
The prices are steep, but we do need 'em, unfortunately!
Happy to see that frame turn a nice reel to a beast ;)
Dom
You're right Dom, but I don't believe that you will lose any pressure with the brass sleeve. I should be able to get around 30lb with this reel, and it can handle it, but, from what I've seen in the past the tip of the sleeve won't. We definitely need them, I'm hoping that Alan will come through with them...he always does ;).
By the way, not to put you on the spot or anything like that, when are we going to see "Big Red" and its companion?
Sal.
Nice work on the 9/0. I never did put the second dog in my 9/0 before my last fishing trip but will before my next trip.
Would you post a couple close up pics of the area where you did the shaving and grinding to make room for the second dog.
Thanks Sal,
John
Hey John, I do not have a close up of this one, but I did find another plate that I did earlier. The plate is the older model that accept bushings instead of ball bearings, but the dog area is similar. I know that you already did the 113H, you shouldn't have any problems doing this one. Good luck! Sal
Sorry John, I forgot to add the picture. Here you go:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2117.jpg)
Holy Crap! :o I forgot all about posting them... I'll have them up by the end of the weekend.
They look sweet together!
Dom
No need to rush it Dom. We've waited this long, I'm sure we could wait a little longer. I know how hard you've been working lately, take your time bud. Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 31, 2012, 11:22:36 PM
No need to rush it Dom. We've waited this long, I'm sure we could wait a little longer. I know how hard you've been working lately, take your time bud. Sal
Hey Sal let's not let Dom off too lightly here. Dom, let's get the photos posted. Sal, what springs are used for the dogs in the 114 H and the 9/0? Dominick
Here you go Dpminick:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/14-116.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/14-116.aspx)
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Sal: are the same springs used for both 114H and the 9/0?
Dominick, I'm trying to go to bed...it isn't California here. I have to get up at 4:00am ;D
Here is the one for the 114H:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/14-114.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/14-114.aspx)
You would get away with either one, if the 14-116 is too long you just cut it.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Sal,
Thanks for the picture of the side plate.
John
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 03, 2012, 03:05:52 AM
Dominick, I'm trying to go to bed...it isn't California here. I have to get up at 4:00am ;D
Here is the one for the 114H:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/14-114.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/14-114.aspx)
You would get away with either one, if the 14-116 is too long you just cut it.
Sal: No one gets up at 4:00 a.m. unless they are going fishing ;). Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite. ;D Dominick
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Here ya go Dominick ;)
Thanks to Sal I was able to put this ?possible? "one of a kind" reel on the proper rod it was meant for, a Penn 9/0 Senator rod. I would say the rod and reel individually would both get the score of 9 each 8). Sal, was willing to break up his collection to better mine, and that's what this is all about... helping your fellow fisherman/ friend when they need it, if you can of course. Sorry it took so long, but there are many reasons why. The most important was that I have a friend of mine building me a reel display out of 20" wide walnut plank(not easy to find), and was hoping to show you my "Big Red Combo" as the center piece. When it's complete I will posted better photos.
Thanks again Sal, and as always thanks to Dominick for getting me off my butt ;)
Dom
Here is the photo link: http://s1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/316broadway/Big%20Red%20mated%20to%20Penn%20Senator%20Rod/
PS-Dominick, I was unable to post the photos directly on here because my plug-in failed ???
Does this help?
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/316broadway/Big%20Red%20mated%20to%20Penn%20Senator%20Rod/IMG_2659.jpg)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/316broadway/Big%20Red%20mated%20to%20Penn%20Senator%20Rod/IMG_2658.jpg)
(http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/316broadway/Big%20Red%20mated%20to%20Penn%20Senator%20Rod/IMG_2656.jpg)
Cheers, Justin
You're the man... thanks Justin!
Very nice Dom, that's an awesome set and yes I'm still jealous ;D.
Your pictures don't do it justice, I'm hoping that you're a better fisherman than a photographer ;D.
I was hoping to see a shot of the side of the plates, but then I remembered that I had one , so here you go buddy:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/479985613_tp.jpg)
Thanks for sharing it with us Dom. By the way, stainless steel looks very nice with red, when are you going to carve that plate for the double dogs? ;D
Later. Sal
Quote from: Pescachaser on April 03, 2012, 03:31:43 AM
Sal: No one gets up at 4:00 a.m. unless they are going fishing ;). Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite. ;D Dominick
No one? Our semi feral roosters get me up around 04:00 from now until the days get shorter and we go back to Standard time. >:(
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 03, 2012, 09:58:40 AM
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/479985613_tp.jpg)
Thanks for sharing it with us Dom. By the way, stainless steel looks very nice with red, when are you going to carve that plate for the double dogs? ;D
Later. Sal
Carve that plate? You just gave Dom a heart attack. Put Big Red to the knife aaaagghhh. ;D. Dominick
Quote from: Keta on April 03, 2012, 12:05:13 PM
Quote from: Pescachaser on April 03, 2012, 03:31:43 AM
Sal: No one gets up at 4:00 a.m. unless they are going fishing ;). Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite. ;D Dominick
No one? Our semi feral roosters get me up around 04:00 from now until the days get shorter and we go back to Standard time. >:(
Lee: Don't you know you can eat the roosters. It quiets them down. :) Dominick
Sal,
Never!!! ;) Have no fear, better to pics to come, I promise!
Dom
Quote from: Pescachaser on April 04, 2012, 01:30:17 AM
Lee: Don't you know you can eat the roosters. It quiets them down. :) Dominick
They are small and tough but make good soup. This week the latest addition is fighting 2 older roosters to be on the top of the pecking order...I should sell tickets and bet on them.
That reel is sick! Great Job Alto Mare. Has to be the nicest 9/0 ever, period.
QuoteOur semi feral roosters get me up around 04:00 from now until the days get shorter and we go back to Standard time.
You mean your rooster adjusts for daylight savings time?
Yup, they get up 1 hour before sun up no mater what.
Thats a tuff lookin 9/0 Sir Master Sal! ;D what type of handle is that you have on it ? where can i buy one of them?
looks the goods top job!
Hey Harry, no Master here, but I'm glad you like my reel. About the handle, I don't see any in silver at the moment, but here is where I purchased it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/C-M-HANDLE-FIT-PENN-REEL-114H-6-0-OR-9-0-DAIWA-600H-/110859765334?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cfc1c656
If you're just looking for the T knob, Dawn might have them in stock.
Sal
For those of you that are questioning whether or not it is worth it to upgrade an older Penn Senator.....keep an eye out on these. That should answer your question ;):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Accu-plates-Accurate-Side-Plates-Nos-Green-/180863169025?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1c48f201
I'm speculating that it will hit the $400 mark and I don't believe that bearings and screws are included.
I would love to get my hands on these, but, they're just too rich for my blood :(.
Starting at $100 for the side plates and $100 for the frame, that's really expensive.
I might know someone who bought a pair or two ;)
They may have come with one bearing in each reel ;)
They did not come with the bearing caps so I'm gonna pray the existing penn 9/0 bearing caps will work :(
You might see the results very soon of a couple 9/0's looking pretty sweet :(
Dom
Way to go Dom, you snatched both of them from me for just two more dollars. I'm not upset anymore, now that I know you got them.
Enjoy them buddy and show some pictures, if you decide to mount them.
Sal,
I knew you were gunning for them, but I just couldn't pass them up... they're in mint condition, too!
I got the gold and silver, and the gold frame to go with the plates. As you know I have the silver frame so I now have 2 complete sets. I also have the 9/0 handles in gold and silver. As long as a 9/0 in the lighthouse box doesn't pop up, it's all yours. I'm gonna keep some dough in the bank for a bit ;)
You know you're next in line for them if I decide to get rid of 'em,
Dom
G'day all,
I forgot to load these a while ago - just a couple of double-dog pics for my Penn 10/0 and 112H.
Unlike any other Penn I've done this to, the dogs on the 10/0 are slightly alternating, producing a distinct double click.
I'm planning to fish this on a long-range trip to the Three Kings early next year, so the extra dog should give it a little more grunt.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/20/3590_06_08_17_3_16_49_20389893.jpeg)
These days, I shape the leaf springs from brass sheets - here's the homespun version (left) relative to the original.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/20/3590_06_08_17_3_13_37_2037113.jpeg)
With the 112H, I found there wasn't enough bulk on the side plate to fit the spring, so I had to Dremel all the way out and make a brass shroud to cover the spring.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/20/3590_06_08_17_3_13_28_203382128.jpeg)
It slides under the bridge plate and fastens down securely.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/20/3590_06_08_17_3_13_28_20337726.jpeg)
Righto - all the best, Justin
Nice work,Justin,very innovative. I like the custom spring. ;D They can be cut from old flat ss razor blades too.
Very nice Job Justin ;). I've done the double dogs from the 113H to the 116, but didn't get to the 112H yet. I'm glad that you did, now I know what to look for. I just want to add for the guys that it is much easier to install the double dogs on larger reels. From the 114h to the 116, it's a piece of cake. Great idea on cutting your own dog springs, I need to give that a try. Guys, here are a couple of additional pictures to show what Justin was talking about on the alternating dogs. I like them that way, but if you wish to make them engage at the same time, all you do is shave a little off the tip of one of the dogs.
Sal
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2302.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2305.jpg)
You guys never fail to amaze me love your work cheers
Great idea on the 112H Justin. You guys never cease to impress me.
Hey Justin,
Man, you and Sal have taken this to a whole new level. I'm loving the idea of the brass shroud...can you show us in a little more detail exactly how you did it.
Nice job,
Dom
Great photos Sal - thanks for adding those.
The second shot is a cracker - pin-sharp focus.
Dom, the shroud was pretty straight forward, but I'll take some more shots in a few days - working today/tomorrow, fishing Coromandel/Great Barrier Island on Wed, birthday Thurs, then chasing kingies at the Poor Knights Islands from Fri-Sun (hooray!). ;) ;D
Cheers lads, Justin
Great work guys. Also, nice to have the photos.
John
another sticky for sal!
I gotta hang out with you on your birthday week... that's when all the fishing happens ;D
Have a happy birthday and may the fish gods reward you famously!
Thanks
Dom
Quote from: alantani on May 20, 2012, 09:47:31 PM
another sticky for sal!
and Justin.
Thanks Alan!
Happy birthday Justin, I hope you have a great day on the water.
My birthday is coming soon also, but I doubt that i get to go on the water, I've been very busy lately. :(
Later. Sal
alto & redsetta
this is not a criticism but why have 2 dogs if they work independitly of each other?
just a safety measure?
would it not be better to have that drone working?
magic stuff,cheers
G'day Wallace,
You're right that it'd be a stronger 'lock' when both engage at the same time - which is what I was expecting, as per the 113H, 112H etc.
However, alternating dogs can be a good thing too as they reduce the lag between when ratchet teeth engage.
That's effectively what I was trying to reduce with the 12-tooth gear on the 9500SS.
The single dog on the 10/0 is already pretty hefty, so doubling up really just achieves more confidence (ie a safety measure), while the slight alternation means reduced lag.
Mainly though, I just really enjoyed the process... ;) ;D
Cheers mate, Justin
reduce lag.gotcha!
Quote from: wallacewt on May 21, 2012, 12:25:54 AM
alto & redsetta
this is not a criticism but why have 2 dogs if they work independitly of each other?
just a safety measure?
would it not be better to have that drone working?
magic stuff,cheers
Wallace, you've asked this same question before.
The bottom line is that now you have two dogs instead of one. Alternating, or locking at the same time, they're both a very good thing. I like them to alternate on this particular reel.
Later buddy....stay dry ;).
i wanted to know justins reason.besides i forgot. ???
don't feel bad. i can't keep track either!
Justin, I found an older 112H and decided to give it a shot on the double dogs. I do have two brand new ones waiting on the back burner, my buddy Max Doubt sent them to me a while back for close to nothing. I see why you had to make that brass shroud, there isn't too much room there. Here is what I came up with:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2436.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2433.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2434.jpg)
Not as innovative as yours, but it's working nicely.
Very innovative Sal. ;D
Great work Sal - I'd say that's 'innovation' to a tee!
Well done mate.
Cheers for the inspiration, Justin
So, I get home from work just now to see Sal has another double dog situation figured out... you are good, brotha!
Thanks
Dom
Sal, is it imperative that the depth of material removed be uniform, or should I just shoot for close? Just deep enough for the dog to engage?
When I worked as a luthier I used one of the dremel bases in the link below to cut pockets in guitar bracing, and I think that it may be perfect for this application. It will create a smooth,uniform depthed place for the dog to sit.
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for_Routing/Precision_Router_Bases/Precision_Router_Base.html
As long as the dog moves freely you'll be ok, just try to keep the shaved area smooth. Thanks for showing that link, someone should have told me about it a while back.... I'm all dome with the double dogs ;D.
Good luck with your progect, a 9/0 is much easier to work on than the smaller Senators.
Sal. you old dog you. again,
Lee, the 9/0 samples arrived today and are perfect, thank you!
Alan, the ss sleeves that you sent me work perfect on this particular reel, last week I told you that they were a little tight, but that was on another bridge plate :-\.
Guys, if you would like the ss dogs to engage at the same time on the 9/0, the easiest way is to use a 6/0 dog and a 9/0 dog, or you could grind 1/8" off one of the 9/0 dog. Here is a shot of the dogs engaging at the same time using a 6/0 and a 9/0.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2468.jpg)
Nice work Sal.
Nice Sal , you must love taking out those gear sleave pins. I am afraid and cautious when i do it in case i enlarge to hole too much or lose/ damage the pin .
Harry, I never had a problem with them. Try one of these, it should make the job much easier. Sal
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2474.jpg)
Thank's Sal,a picture is worth a thousand words.
Quote from: Alto Mare on June 21, 2012, 01:02:06 AM
Lee, the 9/0 "samples"
Sal and Lee, does this mean we get them for free? ;)
Thats a pretty killa tool there Sal , i will look for some or a set 1.5mm, make it easier instead of using whatever i can find that fits , can you use that one for a squidder gear sleave too?
I think ive seen Stanley ones that size in a set but 1.5 woulda been the smallest.
Sorry Harry, I just realized that I missed your question. Yes, the 1/16" pin punch will also work on other sleeves.
you're sure it's not 1/8th! ;D
Quote from: alantani on June 25, 2012, 08:21:10 AM
you're sure it's not 1/8th! ;D
Yes boss, I'm sure ;D. BUT you never know. About the sleeves that you sent me and Jason, He has to add a washer and I had to sand a little off the bottom :-\.
those gear sleeves are spit out of a c&c machine with incredibly tight tolerances. what you are probably looking at is change in penn tolerances over the years. even the stars were different. some were loose, some were tight, some were right on.
No complains here Alan, I liike them just the way they are. I don't know who the machinist is, but I think he did a great job.
...and keep in mind that my 115 is chinese, so it may have different dimensions even though the parts are compatible with US made.
G'day all,
Just been fiddling with my 10/0 and, using 1mm CF drag washers, managed to squeeze in a 9+1 configuration.
It's generating prodigious amounts of drag in this format (theoretically ~50lbs).
At this point, I've left it an alternating double-dog set-up to limit backlash (as per an earlier post in this thread), and figure the dogs, bridge, sleeve etc are strong enough to handle the torsional pressures.
However, if I set my sights on the larger of the NZ gamefish, I'll trim a little off the second dog and align their engagement.
Cheers, Justin
PS I also adjusted the upper dog leaf spring, adding another small curve.
It actuates more firmly and should be somewhat less likely to lose pressure over time.
Seeing as I've already reassembled, here's a wee mock-up pic of the additional curve (be sure it's a smooth bend and not an angle).
Very nice, Justin. We need ss sleeves for this reel, I've seen a couple 16/0's with rounded sleeve tip, one of them I'm showing it here on servicing a 16/0.
I'm building a 10/0 from parts at the moment and when I grabbed my bridge it didn't have the sleeve, I then remembered that i sent it to Lee to measure things out. Me and Lee have been working on a project for this reel for almost a year, we're trying to make some parts stiffer. Can't give any ditails, simply because we're till not settle on it.
Due to the diameter of those washers, I believe you're doing better than 50#.
Sal
Alto, what would you say that 9/0 is worth? It's a beautiful rig.
Can't wait to see what you two whiz kids come out with... I'll take 4 sets please ;D
PS- maybe more ;)
Justin, great diagram and innovative thinking!
Thanks
Dom
Do they ake a stainless pinion for a 12 or 14/0?
OK, I figured it out.
A page or two back we were talking about more teeth on the ratchet. Wouldn't it be perfect if we could get a sleeve designed like the Baja Special? More teeth and reliability from double dogging.
Ron
Changing the gear sleeve is relatively easy, the problem is a high minimum order for a run.