Hello,
I just got through disassembling and reassembling my friend's penn with accurate sideplate and frame reel for the past 10 times. All the parts are assembled the right way ( I think) and for some reason, the drags system is totally shot.
I seen the 3 stack drag and coverted it to a new 5 stack system. Still, absolutely no drag pressure. Tighten down the star to its fullest and I still can pull the line out with just two fingers.
frustrating and confusing....I'm about ready to give up....Help!
My first thought would be that you forgot to place the tension spring at the top of your stack.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/18-970.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/18-970.aspx)
This one goes on top of your stack and in the inside of the plate, you will also need another tension spring that goes under the star.
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Quote from: Alto Mare on April 08, 2012, 12:42:58 AM
My first thought would be that you forgot to place the tension spring at the top of your stack.
Or you need a longer spacing sleeve.
Try is one of the eared washers sliping out of the gear and resting on top? If so, try adding some extra drag grease so they all stick together when assembling. Then possibly one of the above. if sleeve is too short, it's possible that you could add an extra drag or belleville washer to the top of the stack if you have the clearance.
Have you got (at least) two eared metal washers in the drag pack and if so have you set it up with friction/round outer edge/friction/eared/friction/round/friction/eared/friction/round/cupped tension/sleeve?
Failing that are the ears bent back and/or damaged in any way?
Regards,
Dave.
Easy guys, I didn't want to bombard him with all possibilities. One at a time ;D
Okay okay....
Thanks everyone for all your recommendations. Is a new day! :) I got it!!!
Yes, I checked the top tension spring at the top of the drag stack and I checked if one of the eared washers were sitting outside of the stack.
Then it dawned on me on what Alan once told me....try disassemble the side plate and put everything together without the side plate. Bingo. I first tightened the star and looked for a hairline crack on the top tension spring washer...nope, all good. Then I grabbed the main gear with a rag and held it as I turned the handle with the star backed off. The handle turned. Then I tightened the star and held the main gear again...it was very tight which means the drag works. Hmmm... :-\ The drag works.
Okay, now I reinstalled the bridge plate with all the washers to the sideplate but I did not attach the side plate to the frame yet. I held the spool and tighten down the star and again, absolutely no drag. >:(
Here is the Biggie that I discovered....the drag did work! It was the accurate spool that was the problem.
I wish I could take pictures because believe it or not, the spool shaft inside of the spool was free wheeling. Yes, the pinion was holding the spool shaft good, but the shaft was spinning giving the appearance that the drag system was failing. I would have never been able to figure this out without dismantling the sideplate and reassembling everything without the sideplate.
I actually totally removed the shaft from the spool and looked inside to see if there was some kind of key or ear that keeps the spool from separating or free wheeling on the spool shaft. Absolutely nothing! The spool shaft was smooth and the inside of the spool was smooth.
Then it dawned on me that it must be the same concept as the shimano torium ARB system. Although the ARB clinders are smooth and the roller clutch inner tube is smooth, when you put the two together, the metal will grab onto the other metal. Therefore, I wiped off some of the excess oil on the spool shaft and tapped it back into the spool. PROBLEM SOLVED! :)
I reinstalled everything and now the drag is perfect.
What a new experience! :o
Thanks again all.
You might want to stake the spool to the shaft or knurl the shaft where it holds the spool to reduce the possibility it will start turning on the shaft and fail under high drag settings.
I'd epoxy and stake it.
J.B. Weld
I'd replace that spool. It will fail again.
Lee: What does stake mean?
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on April 08, 2012, 11:47:31 PM
I'd replace that spool. It will fail again.
X2! ;) Keep that one for souveneer, it will never be right again.
Quote from: Pescachaser on April 08, 2012, 11:51:07 PM
Lee: What does stake mean?
Punching with a center punch in 2 or 3 places to displace metal and hold the part in place.
Thanks pal. Watch for snail mail.
dominick
I was thinking about epoxying it. However, the shaft is sooooo tight going into the spool, that I would imagine that all of the epoxy would wipe off as the shaft is going in.
Another option is to sell the sideplates and and frame and be done with it...gotta ask my friend, its his reel. :-\
I agree, under tremendous pressure, I'd imagine that failure is on the horizon. Just to think though, the accurate spool simply failed. There was no key or eared thingy to keep the spool from free wheeling on the shaft....what a design flaw! Knowing this, just imagine how many other accurate spools are out there? And how many other fisherman know about this problem? ???
At least my other tiburon spools have a tack weld right at the base where the spool shaft sticks out from the spool.
Quote from: franky on April 09, 2012, 07:18:17 AM
At least my other tiburon spools have a tack weld right at the base where the spool shaft sticks out from the spool.
I'm confused, SS and aluminum can't be welded together.
Put the spool and shaft assembly under a pillar drill and cross drill the spool and spool shaft together. After this operation you can take the tail end of a drilling bit, cut and finish it to size and secure the entire asembly with epoxy or blue loctite. Apply loctite to the spool shaft and the crosspin. The crosspin will eliminate the possibility of failure at high drag settings.
Quote from: Keta on April 09, 2012, 01:11:44 PM
Quote from: franky on April 09, 2012, 07:18:17 AM
At least my other tiburon spools have a tack weld right at the base where the spool shaft sticks out from the spool.
I'm confused, SS and aluminum can't be welded together.
Oh, youre right keta,
I just looked again and it was a tack weld on the star wheel to the stainless shaft. Hmmm. :-\ I hope that doesn't mean that the tiburons are built the same as the accurates.
How much would you sell it for? I might be interested even with the "impaired" spool.
Not sure, its my friends reel. If he sells, he probably will want to keep the sale on Oahu only.
Quote from: franky on April 09, 2012, 10:32:46 PM
Not sure, its my friends reel. If he sells, he probably will want to keep the sale on Oahu only.
That might work as someone can pick it up and ship to me on the Big Island.
Quote from: Keta on April 09, 2012, 01:11:44 PM
Quote from: franky on April 09, 2012, 07:18:17 AM
At least my other tiburon spools have a tack weld right at the base where the spool shaft sticks out from the spool.
I'm confused, SS and aluminum can't be welded together.
They can be friction welded, not welded in the traditional sense - the shaft can be spun in at high rpm.
Explosion welding would work too but my wife does not let me play with explosives any more after we knocked a friends house off it's foundation removing a rock in his basement, and all I did was watch and laugh.
Quote from: Keta on April 11, 2012, 01:46:16 PM
Explosion welding would work too but my wife does not let me play with explosives any more after we knocked a friends house off it's foundation removing a rock in his basement, and all I did was watch and laugh.
Hey Lee: I would be first on a list to buy your autobiography. It sounds like you have led and are still leading an exciting life. Dominick
He was a crazy Alaskan, I told him to drill holes and fill them with water to let winter bust up the rock. He had some Toxex and was in a hurry. The house rose about 3" and shifted about 2". Most of the rock was still there.
If you would have taken a video and send it to "America's Funniest Home Videos", you would have been able to retire by now.
The house lifted 3" and the rock was still there, now that's funny ;D ;D.
Quote from: Keta on April 11, 2012, 01:46:16 PMExplosion welding would work too but my wife does not let me play with explosives any more after we knocked a friends house off it's foundation removing a rock in his basement, and all I did was watch and laugh.
wow, look at this jewel I just found LOL
amigo Lee, you;re one of a kind