Well, after looking at this site for several days I decided to take the plunge and tear apart the used 14/0 that I purchsed for cleanup and inspection. I took some pictures along the way to help me through the process. Evidently I didn't take enough! Everything went well until I went to put the drag stack back in and I noticed I had a little spacing sleeve left over approximately 1/4" in height. It does fit over the gear sleeve. I didn't have this part visible in any pictures. Oops! Some schematics that I looked at for the 117L listed a sleeve on top of the drag cover. Others said that there was no sleeve in the 117L but there is one on other Senators. I have one, so please help me with where it goes. I tried it on top of the drag cover and it didn't seem to fit. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Any recommendations on replacement drag washers to purchase would also be helpful. Sorry for the inexperienced questions!
Thanks in advance!
those sleeves are needed so that the star can be clamped down and still clear the side plate. it goes directly underneath the star.
QuoteSorry for the inexperienced questions!
No worries - all questions are good ones around here...
Welcome aboard, Justin
Hello ssowder, welcome.
Don't feel bad about asking inexperienced questions, we like those, they makes us look good ;D.
About the sleeve on the 117L, I have never seen one on that reel. Sometimes during assembly, the sleeve that sits in the main gear comes lose. I believe that's what happened with your reel. You will need to take the gear out again, there is no need for you to open the reel up. tilt the reel with the gear facing down and see if it pops out. if it doesn't, tilt the reel up and ingage the eccentric lever, the gear should come right out when you tilt the reel again. Put that sleeve back in the main gear and don't worry about it, the reel will still work. Let us know if that helps. Sal
Thank you all for the help! I will look at it when I get home from work and let you know how it goes. Everyone seems very helpful on this site and it is much appreciated.
Shane
Well, that sleeve fit right down inside the main gear and I put the drag stack back in. Thanks for the tip. Now for my next question. The drag range seems off to me. It's either real light or it cranks right down. To get any real drag pressure at all I have to turn the star almost a full turn. The drag range on my 9/0 seems to be much larger. Is this typical of these reels or is this a sign that the drag washers need to be replaced? I haven't fished a 14/0 before.
Shane
Try to carefuly glue the bushing into the gear so it stays put next time.
It sounds to me like you need a pair of Bellville washers, (), or the Penn spring washer, 8-117, between the spacer sleeve and the star to buffer your drag.
I don't know what you have there , unless you could show a picture. Try this, you probably have something out of place:
https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/117l.pdf (https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/117l.pdf)
About that sleeve that sits in the gear, although it a good idea to glue it, you don't need to do it if you didn't want to. I have a few of the same, once you drop the drags in, it's not going anywhere.
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always check to see that the slotted metal washer is not riding up on top of the main gear. it happens more than people think.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/0/1_05_05_09_8_03_50_2.jpeg)
Quote from: Alto Mare on June 10, 2012, 05:45:35 PM
About that sleeve that sits in the gear, although it a good idea to glue it, you don't need to do it if you didn't want to. I have a few of the same, once you drop the drags in, it's not going anywhere.
The gear sleve and gear stack will keep the bushing in place but it's more for when the reel is dissassembled, I don't need another part falling into the reel part black hole in my shop. If you do glue them in make sure it's in the right place, I use washers and nuts on a bolt to hold it in place, and do not get glue anywhere it should not be.
Quote from: alantani on June 11, 2012, 05:54:38 AM
always check to see that the slotted metal washer is not riding up on top of the main gear. it happens more than people think.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/0/1_05_05_09_8_03_50_2.jpeg)
I don't remember where I saw it but sliding a thin "O" ring onto the gear sleeve with the spacer sleeve in place will keep the washers in place when putting the reel back together.
Quote from: Keta on June 11, 2012, 12:31:53 PM
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I don't remember where I saw it but sliding a thin "O" ring onto the gear sleeve with the spacer sleeve in place will keep the washers in place when putting the reel back together.
That's a great idea.
You know, there was a guy that gave us a similar tip a while back:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=333.msg570#msg570
I wonder what happened to him :-\.
That's a better idea.
Here is the stack the reel came with. Hope you can see how it is laid out. Doesn't match the schematic with eared washer placement etc.
Another pic to help show what I have. Any info on why this drag is so light until it was cranked way down would be appreciated. Thanks!
Shane
wow, that was way off! no wonder it did't work right.
So, I'm hoping that putting in new HT-100s and a new set of metal washers will solve my problem. Any feedback on that thought?
clean all the drag washers with an old rag to "raise the grain" and then slap a thick coat of drag grease on the washers. some of them looked pretty grungy, but try this first before spending $25 on a new set of drag washers.
Are all of the drag washers CF?
Well, now for some more clarification if I may. The Penn schematic shows washer, metal, washer, eared, washer, metal, washer, eared, washer, metal, washer, eared, washer, metal, then beveled. It looks as though I have some of the old thicker washers still in use. My set up goes washer, metal, washer, eared, washer, eared, washer, metal, (2) washers that equal thickness of the others, metal, beveled. Hopefully I am making sense. I seem to be missing a couple carbon washers and an eared metal one. Should I leave the ones I have in the same order or rearrange them differently after cleaning and greasing? Also, do I have to add anything? I'm not sure how high the stack should be in the first place. Some must have been removed for some reason. I apologize if this is hard to follow. Just trying to figure out what I should have with my limited knowledge in this area.
Thanks for your time!
Shane
G'day Shane,
Here's how it should look (below).
All non-metal washers should be CF.
Ditch the older asbestos ones.
The eared and keyed metal washers must alternate or the drag won't work as designed.
The last eared washer should be just below the edge of the main gear, while the final keyed washer (#7) should/can be just above it, followed by the thick keyed washer (#86) and bellevilled washer (#8A).
Hope that's of some assistance.
Good luck, Justin
QuoteAll non-metal washers should be CF.
Ditch the older asbestos ones.
If you keep the old asbestos disks, you'll undo any benefit of having the CF disks (since the old ones seem quite soaked with oil and will slip), especially when you grease them.
Thanks for the insight everyone. I will order some CF washers and set them in the order according to the schematic. Hopefully that gets things working properly. Will let you know how things turn out when I get them. Thanks again!
Shane