I have a 114H special 6/0 Senator , Red , High Speed Ball Bering's .With a Sail Fish on the left side plate , When I look for parts there are about a dozen model's !! What it ment as far as full frame and half frame ?
you are experiencing the same problem I had with the ll3 look at my post and it has a lot of similar answers. If I am correct the penn with 5 posts is considered no frame because the sideplates are held together by the rods. The full frame uses less rods or no rods not sure on the 114. I pulled all the schematics that everyone told me about here to finally figure out my mode. Penn is a tricky little animal. Hope my two cents helped
Onemako, you gave a good explanation. Frame posts are usually 5 plus the stand, they also come as spacer bars, one in the front and back plus a single frame post on top and the stand. A half frame is shaped like a U and it comes with one frame post for the top, a full frame wraps all the way around as one piece. If you're going to replace the frame posts, it will set you back around $20. I'm going to recommend a Tiburom frame, it's a little more but it will keep that reel aligned. If you're going with the full Tiburon frame, contact Alan he might have some left. Sal
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By mdw46 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/mdw46) at 2012-06-09
As Sal, (Alto Mare) has said, your reel is the No1 on Scotts specification ref link below.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/Penn114H.aspx
(https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/Penn114H.aspx)
From looking at the corrosion on your reel I would agree with Sal that it would benefit from an after market Tiburon frame.
Good Luck with your renovation, they are great reels.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Thanks Jigger , Thats the page I needed
What would you like to do and fish with that reel. What is your budget?
As a minumum, I would go with the aluminum spacer bars. It will replace the two lower posts on the front and back. I'm sure we have some floating around.
Moving up, an aluminum frame from Penn, Tiburon or Accurate (if you can find one). They will be either half frame, open frame (no top cross bar) or full frame. I have yet to see Penn's full aluminum frame. I wouldn't mind comparing it to Accurate's full frame.
let us know and I'm sure these guys can help you and steer you in the right direction.
Well Bryan, I just happened to have a Penn full aluminum frame, I wouldn't bet, but to me, it looks like they contracted Tiburon to make it for them. I saw one of these go on Ebay last week for 130 bucks for the complete reel.
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And BTW I purchased this from an elderly gent not far from me on craigslist. It was an old combo deal he bought years ago, The rod was a Penn Senator 3160rs roller rod, they were both new and never had line on the reel, picked up the combo for 75 bucks and ran out the door. Alan had mentioned these reels were a very limited run. I'm hotrodding it as I write, and atleast I won't need to spend the big bucks for an aftermarket frame, in another week this will be used extensively in the fishing arsenal..Dan
Great-looking frame Dan - hadn't come across these before.
Thanks for sharing and looking forward to seeing the finished product.
Cheers, Justin
Suitekids: I have a 114HLW with full frame. The one in your photo looks painted, or is it anodized black? Dominick
It's anodized, it has a light coating of grease on it, and it's new. All I did to it was chase the 8-40 threads with a bottom tap.......Dan
Now that's one beasty looking frame. Looks very stout. That reel would be a great BEAST project.
It undergoing the beastly changes as I write
light coat of grease everywhere!
I'll clean it up Alan, it was a hurry up to get a picture for Bryan, he said he has never seen a standard 114h aluminum full frame before, the wide ones are still available, but this isn't.
Make sure to place some grease in the screw holes on that frame, I have a few with snapped screws that Penn wont take back :-\.
send those broken ones to me ;D
Can you get those screws out? the screws are flush with the frame. I was able to destroy one and save one, I still have two more.
probably Sal, no sense in throwing them away, I have the bits, the press and the taps
Dan, send me your address and if I find them I'll send them over. Maybe you could keep one and send one back..... if you can fix them.
Salvatore!!!! Oh ye of little faith!!!
In the endless quest to build them better and stronger and faster than the stock Penn reels. We pick up upgrades as we go along that improves the performance. Once again, the upgrade bug found an easy target to bite. After an extensive internal re-do of my 114h 6/0, I was able to find and purchase a complete Accurate 6/0 upgrade kit, which consists of
an Accuframe, Accuplates, Reel Clamp, and Stainless Steel Screws, all in gold that match my Jvariance kits as a new big brother. I will take all my upgrades out of this reel and put them in the Accurate, which also includes a new set of
Accurate Stainless 6/0 gears, I suspect it will be about as bullet proof as it gets when done, pretty rare find, in fact, the first one I've ever seen. I'll get some pics up of the build soon
Quote from: suitekids on June 10, 2012, 07:52:34 AM
Well Bryan, I just happened to have a Penn full aluminum frame, I wouldn't bet, but to me, it looks like they contracted Tiburon to make it for them. I saw one of these go on Ebay last week for 130 bucks for the complete reel.
(http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr205/suitekids/114h%20mods/frame001.jpg)
(http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr205/suitekids/114h%20mods/frame002.jpg)
Quotewhich also includes a new set of Accurate Stainless 6/0 gears
What's the ratio?
I'm sure it's 3.25:1. I still can't get my hands on those :(
yes, it's 3.25, I believe the stock ones are 2.8, the Accurates are noisy tho
Noisy?...no good! Send them my way and I'll send you some quieter ones, just a little slower ;)
:D ;D
If I had an extra pinion, it would be coming your way!!!!
Just a little advice on these 6/0 Accurate gears, they don't like a stock Penn 114h sideplate at all, the Accu-plates are what these gears were obviously designed for, the bore in the Accuplate is bigger and deeper than the stock 114h, I really didn't like the way they worked in a Penn 114h, Since I managed to get the complete Accurate conversion kit, I did a swap out of all my hot-rodded tank parts and put them in the Accurate, WOW what a difference in smoothness and quiet operation, everything was better, much better. If you are fortunate enough to find these gears, do yourself a favor and find the Accuplates too, there just isn't enough room to grind out the stock ones to get them to fit with out making the bore paper thin. I guess in hind sight they are truly hens teeth, but definately not worth the aggravation without the 6/0 Accuplates, it's the only reliable way to use them, been there done that twice!!!
Or you could shave 1/16" off the main gear and not touch the plate at all ;)