Houston, We have a Problem!
Saturday, while salmon fishing from a Half Moon Bay party boat, my daiwa sealine 27H was put to the test, and the new handle flunked!
This was my first reel breakdown and reassembly with all the Alan Tani approved jams & jellys, including a handle arm & grip upgrade.
The problem is the new handle arm is 4.02mm thick, and the stock daiwa handle arm is 2.99mm thick.
This caused the handle nut twice to loosen and made reeling in the 2 1/2 lbs. lead weight difficult. The thicker handle arm did not give enough of the nut on the gear shaft threads.
What is the work around here??
- To have a CNC shop mill out 1.03mm of the new handle arm stock the size of the handle nut?
- Get a new thinner handle?
love the longer new arm distance (from the center of the gear shaft to the center of the handle grip), do not want to go back to the stock handle!
What to do? Need your help here!
Thank you!
Wayne
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Here is the new Daiwa Power handle, notice how little of the gear shaft threads will be covered by the nut! Looks like a problem.
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There is the Daiwa stock arm with handle nut. Plenty of gear shaft threads for the handle nut. Yes, I know the nut is upside down!
Wayne
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Alan: Do the kolekar handles come in difference thicknesses? Wayne: What is a CNC shop? Dominick
Dom,
CNC is Computer Numerical Control (CNC).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_control
These machines are capable of milling metal to very fine tolerances and exact dimensions.
more to read: http://www.tunasreeltroubles.com/SHIMANO-HANDLE-MILLING.html
Wayne
Quote from: El Pescador on June 19, 2012, 03:30:37 AM
Dom,
CNC is Computer Numerical Control (CNC).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerical_control
These machines are capable of milling metal to very fine tolerances and exact dimensions.
more to read: http://www.tunasreeltroubles.com/SHIMANO-HANDLE-MILLING.html
Wayne
Wayne: I don't need some stinkin computer to control my numbers. ;D Also just get out the file or maybe Alan has handles of varying thicknesses. Dominick
Hi Wayne,
Why is the handle nut backing out? Don't you have a locking cover on it? You have more than 2 threads, and that should be sufficient to hold it down. If you want to make that area thinner, I've got a grinder that you could use. It's on only 1 mm. Let me know. Dominick's lovely wife invited us up for dinner in the distant near future, and I could bring out my grinder, we would remove 1 mm in a matter of seconds and you will be done.
Bryan
Ahhhh!!!!
A man of action!
Yes, I did have the locking cover on the handle nut (which helped keep the handle from falling off), but with only 2 threads in the nut, it still loosened with use.
And I think removing 1mm will do the trick to have all the gear shaft threaded into the handle nut.
Dinner??... someone say dinner at Dom's??? I'll be there.
He made an anchovy pizza last week, it was delicious.
Brian, Thank You!!!!! for your suggestion and help! See you soon.
Wayne
Dominick, sound like the food is in your court. ;)
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 19, 2012, 07:11:37 PM
Dominick, sound like the food is in your court. ;)
I'll work on it. I'm leaving on Friday for NY. Fishing with Broadway Dom on Mon. and with mi amigo Joe off the surf on Tues. Doing duty visits the rest of the time. Dominick
Can you bring back some of that awesome sausage your lovely granddaughter talked about? Sounds like the best Italian Sausage this side of the Atlantic Ocean.
QuoteFishing with Broadway Dom on Mon...
Have a great trip lads!
Good luck, Justin
Dom/Dominick, I wish I could be there with you guys :(. Take lots of pictures.
Hope you have a great day on the water. Sal
Dominick
Say hello to Jersey Joe for me.
Good fishing.
Buzz
The work required to thin a spot under the nut can be done on any mill, if you have problems finding a shop that will do the work send it to me and I'll do it for you.
Wayne, I'm sure Lee would do a much nicer job than my grinder would.
Keta,
THANK YOU for your generous milling offer, and I will PM you for your mailing address.
Brian, This in no way is an excuse NOT to have dinner at Dom's!
Book it Danno (Dom)!!!!!
wayne, you also might have room to file down the drive shaft so that the handle can slide a little farther down along the shaft and make more room for the handle nut. from the photos, it looks possible. it would probably be a better option. a small flat file and a little patience should to the trick.
Just looked at the tolerances when the star drag just begins to produce drag, and there is no room to file down the gear shaft to allow for the thicker Daiwa Power Handle.
Will send the handle to Keta for his milling services, and will post photos when he returns the handle.
Also, taking a reel apart, and putting it back together is satisfaction enough for me. Remember, when I change out the spark plug on my lawn mower, I have a small box of left over parts!
I'm a thinking guy, not a mechanical guy, but your reel repair website is SLOWLY moving me in that direction!!!!!!
Wayne
Houston... we're back on line!!!
Keta (Lee) has performed his master level milling services on the Daiwa Convertible Power Handle and the milled recess for the handle nut could not have been better!
There is sufficient room to use a 6" adjustable wrench or a nut runner to tighten the handle nut. Problem Solved!!
I very much appreciate Keta's offer and it was gladly accepted. Very nice job, thank you so much.
And Keta, you put this Daiwa Sealine 27H back in the SE Mode.
What???
What's the S.... E..... Mode???
Salmon Extraction Mode.
See you out on the water, tight lines.
Wayne
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looks like its cross threaded
Would it have been practical to shave 1mm off of the nut or find a nut thats not as thick? I plan to get a couple of these handles, but will measure first to know what Im getting into.
Leo
The nut is about as thin as you would want it to be.
I don't like breaking the procetive coating and think powder coating after the mill work would be good idea. I have an end mill to do this now.
It looks like it is machined for an e-clip like an abu, and the schematic lists a "handle nut retainer" which looks like an e-clip and isn't the cover. Granted you will have to get the nut lower to put it on but I didn't see it in your picture. Perhaps a thinner nut would work. I wouldn't want to weaken the handle.