Want to convert my 113H maroon colored sides senator special to left hand. My question is the one side plate, what
do i look for to see if my sideplate can acomodate the switch? Not sure even if marron side plates come left handed?
thanks!
Joe
Many side plates can be used. Look for the area that holds the dog. There should be one on each side of the plate. You'll then need to get a LH bridge, LH gears, and LH star. It's not a cheap conversion...
I have those parts on hand, Im just not sure if the side frame needs changing.
Post a pic and someone will be able to tell you if your side plate needs changing.
You know, if you install an additional dog in that baby, you won't need to worry about having the right plate ;)
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 16, 2012, 10:51:17 PM
You know, if you install an additional dog in that baby, you won't need to worry about having the right plate ;)
I suppose the cavity for dog on other side needs to be there correct?
I want to crack it open but woried i wont be able to put it back together! LOL manuals I find show starting point
showing internals with reel open. whats the least disruptive way to peek inside ? I just hate things that POP APPART when they are opened... LOL.
joe
Joe, how are you going to convert that reel if you're afraid of it? ;D.
Go ahead and crack it open, we're here to help you.
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 17, 2012, 12:31:31 AM
Joe, how are you going to convert that reel if you're afraid of it? ;D.
Go ahead and crack it open, we're here to help you.
LOL your correct! I just hate to need sideplate and wait for it to arrive... let me crack it open...
Joe
OK... I cracket it open and all is well except I lost dog spring... LOL not sure where it went.
I need a dog spring...
I guess I need side plate also correct? Maybe I can do the dual dog mod? is there a upgraded dog I can get
since im getting parts already? where can i get parts?
here is a photo:
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u170/hobbyshopworld/5a969077.jpg)
Good job Joe, you only lost a spring ;D.
The plate that you have will not work for the conversion.
Here are some options:
If you're comfortable carving that plate to accept a second dog, go for it.
If you're not comfortable doing so, ebay has a few plates available, the price is from $15 to $25.
If you want me to carve that plate for the double dog, just send me a pm. Your costs would be shipping.
I don't know where you 're at, sometimes shipping is not worth it.
Sal
Sal it looks like someone gave that reel the Tani treatment already. You think? Dominick
what is the gain by adding second dog?
I think by the time i add shipping both ways i might as well get a new plate, thank you tho.
Joe, we all have different views on it. I like having a back up dog and believe that it's a good thing.
I'll give you some info on where to get some parts, but you need to watch yourself, you could get carried away.
I believe that Alan still has the ss sleeve, Dawn at smoothdrag.com has the drags and Keta (Lee) has the ss dogs.
Let me know if you need anything else.
Dominick, no I don't believe so, the grease isn't blue :-\.
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 17, 2012, 02:54:23 AM
Dominick, no I don't believe so, the grease isn't blue :-\.
Sal: Go back and look again :o after the zin wears off. Dominick
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 17, 2012, 02:54:23 AM
Joe, we all have different views on it. I like having a back up dog and believe that it's a good thing.
I'll give you some info on where to get some parts, but you need to watch yourself, you could get carried away.
I believe that Alan still has the ss sleeve, Dawn at smoothdrag.com has the drags and Keta (Lee) has the ss dogs.
Let me know if you need anything else.
Dominick, no I don't believe so, the grease isn't blue :-\.
remember... converting to left hand, do they make SS parts for left hand crank???
Joe, you said you had the parts. I believe that Alan has the left handed ss sleeve. You better send hin a message to make sure.
Quote from: Pescachaser on July 17, 2012, 03:00:30 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on July 17, 2012, 02:54:23 AM
Dominick, no I don't believe so, the grease isn't blue :-\.
Sal: Go back and look again :o after the zin wears off. Dominick
You got me Dominick, I just noticed the Masters' hand.
yes.. i have the following: 3-113HLH bridge assembly , 5-113HLH main gear , 13-113HLH pinion
what I have read once something is changed to SS i should change a few other components correct?
Sal: Isn't it true that if Joe uses the same plate turned around that he has to grind a spot to place the dog for the left hand sleeve? If that is true then he should make it double dogged. Dominick
If you're going to pull these apart, you should get a stock of dog springs, Scott's Penn Parts among others has them. If you put a little dab of grease on the dog spring, it will help keep it around.
Quote from: Pescachaser on July 17, 2012, 03:19:47 AM
Sal: Isn't it true that if Joe uses the same plate turned around that he has to grind a spot to place the dog for the left hand sleeve? If that is true then he should make it double dogged. Dominick
Now you're giving me a chance to get back to you ;D. Go back and read what I wrote in my first statement.
Quote from: seaeagle2 on July 17, 2012, 04:47:34 AM
If you're going to pull these apart, you should get a stock of dog springs, Scott's Penn Parts among others has them. If you put a little dab of grease on the dog spring, it will help keep it around.
I still send these flying once in a while and keep several in stock.
Quote from: joe_dejesus on July 17, 2012, 03:12:25 AM
what I have read once something is changed to SS i should change a few other components correct?
A matching SS dog is a good idea. I still have some, send me a PM if you are interested.
Quote from: Keta on July 17, 2012, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: seaeagle2 on July 17, 2012, 04:47:34 AM
If you're going to pull these apart, you should get a stock of dog springs, Scott's Penn Parts among others has them. If you put a little dab of grease on the dog spring, it will help keep it around.
I still send these flying once in a while and keep several in stock.
Quote from: joe_dejesus on July 17, 2012, 03:12:25 AM
what I have read once something is changed to SS i should change a few other components correct?
A matching SS dog is a good idea. I still have some, send me a PM if you are interested.
Remember it has to be for LEFT HAND crank, I dont think they make SS for lefty's... If in fact they are LEFT do let me know
thanks
Joe
Dogs are the same for left and right hand crank. You just flip the dog. You will also need a left hand star. Other than that, you should be good to go.
I've only lost a dog, and no spring. Go figure. I normally disassemble theses reels where the plate is on the top and the bridge is down. The spring usually pops off onto the cloth that I use I cover the table.
Good luck. Looks to be a fun project.
Quote from: Bryan Young on July 17, 2012, 02:06:24 PM
Dogs are the same for left and right hand crank. You just flip the dog. You will also need a left hand star. Other than that, you should be good to go.
I've only lost a dog, and no spring. Go figure. I normally disassemble theses reels where the plate is on the top and the bridge is down. The spring usually pops off onto the cloth that I use I cover the table.
Good luck. Looks to be a fun project.
when as ss dog is used, isnt there another componentds that also needs changed to SS (a sleeve?) no SS sleeves exist for lefty I believe.. or can dog be changed out to SS asnd leave other components non-SS ?
thanks
Joe
I wouldn't put a hard SS dog on a "soft" brass sleeve.
Quote from: joe_dejesus on July 17, 2012, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on July 17, 2012, 02:06:24 PM
Dogs are the same for left and right hand crank. You just flip the dog. You will also need a left hand star. Other than that, you should be good to go.
I've only lost a dog, and no spring. Go figure. I normally disassemble theses reels where the plate is on the top and the bridge is down. The spring usually pops off onto the cloth that I use I cover the table.
Good luck. Looks to be a fun project.
when as ss dog is used, isnt there another componentds that also needs changed to SS (a sleeve?) no SS sleeves exist for lefty I believe.. or can dog be changed out to SS asnd leave other components non-SS ?
thanks
Joe
Don't know if there are any left. Alan is getting ready to depart on his vacation and unfortunatley, I'm flying out to Vancouver, WA again tomorrow unexpectedly. May need to wait until Alan gets back before we can answer this one.
Im having bad luck locating a marron left crack side plate part# 1-113HLH
Anyone know where to get one???,
Thanks
Joe
Joe, I just got home and checked my parts, some of us have to work for a living ;D. The only ones I have are the red plates(not marroon), these are the the injection mold plate. don't ask me to send you a picture, my computer is shot and i can barely communicate with you. the plates are in excellent shape and I'm sure they will do just fine. Let me know if you want me to send them to you...these would be on me. The left plate needs a clicker button, Scott's has them and they're very easy to install, i will also send you the left side bearing, I'm not sure that you'll be able to find this one. If you didn't want these, try Dan Williamson from www.reelygone.com, he might be able to help you. His phone # is listed on his site.
About the ss sleeve, I'm going to recommend that you let it go for now and focus on your left handed conversion, The dogs don't need to be ss in this case and if you add two, you[ll still be ahead.
If that doesn't do it for you and you're still set on the ss sleeve, try www.elec-tra-mate.com,. There is a possibility that they could fix you up with one, but it ain going to be cheap.
Sal
sorry for not being on here (also been busy working) ;D
I resolved the left side crank plates by getting a good deal from jeff at tiburon... Got the narrow conversion
with sideplates (thought the gold would look cool) ::)
My 113H has drag washers that are think and looks like carbon fiber material.. I ordered the smooth drag washers
and maybe im wrong, they look whimpy and are very thin... not to mention not sure what side of washers goes where..
will these smoothdrags work better? the white side goes to what side on the stack?
thanks
Joe
Quote from: joe_dejesus on July 24, 2012, 02:10:54 AM
...I ordered the smooth drag washers
... not sure what side of washers goes where... the white side goes to what side on the stack?
thanks
Joe
mmm, what? Do they have one smooth white side and one rough black side?
Contact Dawn @ Smooth Drag. She'll understand.
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correct.
Joe,
Sounds like you have the thick 3 drag stack of the silicon coated smooth drags. You should be able to opt for the carbontex 5 drag set, but you'll need the appropiate washers to go with them. If you decide to stick with the "thick" drags you may want to use the "extreme" (redish-brown) drags. See my post under Smoothdrags" regarding "old style" (something like that) smoothdrags.
Leo
Quote from: LTM on July 24, 2012, 11:51:22 AM
Joe,
Sounds like you have the thick 3 drag stack of the silicon coated smooth drags. You should be able to opt for the carbontex 5 drag set, but you'll need the appropiate washers to go with them. If you decide to stick with the "thick" drags you may want to use the "extreme" (redish-brown) drags. See my post under Smoothdrags" regarding "old style" (something like that) smoothdrags.
Leo
the description for what i suppose to have gotten is:
113H thin carbon drag kit - set of 6 washers to replace part# 4-349, 6-113H(x5)
it states it does not work for 3 washer systems.
I have 5 washer system.
error, my bad... JVARIANCE frame and sideplate (not tiburon)
Quote from: joe_dejesus on July 24, 2012, 02:10:54 AM
sorry for not being on here (also been busy working) ;D
I resolved the left side crank plates by getting a good deal from jeff at tiburon... Got the narrow conversion
with sideplates (thought the gold would look cool) ::)
My 113H has drag washers that are think and looks like carbon fiber material.. I ordered the smooth drag washers
and maybe im wrong, they look whimpy and are very thin... not to mention not sure what side of washers goes where..
will these smoothdrags work better? the white side goes to what side on the stack?
thanks
Joe
Quote from: joe_dejesus on July 24, 2012, 02:10:54 AM
not to mention not sure what side of washers goes where..
will these smoothdrags work better? the white side goes to what side on the stack?
thanks
Joe
Joe,
I can't imagine that it matters which way you put the drag washers in. They are sandwiched between keyed and eared metal washers and will function properly either way.
George
Correct!
I called smoothdrag and aparantly i was sold old stock. the new ones are carbon type washers..
joe
Quote from: George4741 on July 26, 2012, 02:20:23 AM
Quote from: joe_dejesus on July 24, 2012, 02:10:54 AM
not to mention not sure what side of washers goes where..
will these smoothdrags work better? the white side goes to what side on the stack?
thanks
Joe
Joe,
I can't imagine that it matters which way you put the drag washers in. They are sandwiched between keyed and eared metal washers and will function properly either way.
George
Yes, good... something was clearly wrong.
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