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Alan , Alto hi and Thanks - for many years of great info and ideas .
I have made a number of adventurous excursions into Stella's , 2 speed conventional reels and others with the knowledge that you are around for back up , and assistance off your website .
Pls find pics attached – sorry I could not attach them to website – lost a few just tryin to save them – only just learnt how to attach to emails.
My history is predominantly freshwater baitcasters and spinning reels .
I live by the coast now - and the sea does call - all to often .
Pls assist me with the following – for my Penn senator 9/0 . If possible an estimate of manufacture year/decade – pics attached – I would like to make up a mini year plaque to attach to the right side plate.
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Drag washers and discs ( I have the old 3 + 3 type ) I would like whatever you suggest .
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Beleville for drag and handle/drag star – pls note I have a thin belle at the handle and a THICK belle at the drag – both brass ?
Hard Felt washer for below the main gear and soft below the drag pressure plate .
Dog and 2 springs - brass or stainless . I am going to try the double dog modification . I think the synchrinised double dog is more effective - if one is going to break no point having them non synchronised – then again I like the reduced backlash from non synchronised - think I will have to put 3 in (?) .
Does this reel have any option for spool spindle bearings as opposed to bushes ?
Bigger handle options ? Not necessarily handle arm .
My main and eccentric gears look chrome/ssteel but are magnetic ? I have inspected – all ok . Is this normal – many pics show brass/bronze gears ?
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A few parts have 114 on them – was it normal to mix and match during assembly ?
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Thanks alan – I hope most of this makes sense - pls will you send me prices – I will send credit card details with confirmation .
To round off – I do not want to make a super winch out of this reel – I want it to be efficient and effective for its parts/frame – with a little bit of power when needed .
Regards , rich.
Rich, I can't help you with dating your reel, but I like the unusual counterbalanced handle and steel main gear.
George
You won't be able to pin point the year....I don't believe that anybody could, but you could get close.
I'm sure that you have the 3-piece spool, do you have any numbers stamped on any of the chromed parts? Stand, spool, bearing eccentric lever and so on?
If you do, I'm going to guestimate your reel to be anywhere from the 50 to mid 50's.
Around the mid 50's Penn introduced the one-piece spool.
If the chromed parts don't have any markings on them, your reel is a couple of years older than the dates above.
There are a couple of other ways to determine the date, but are not accurate, some change parts on those reels.
I hope this helps a little.
Sal
Quote from: George4741 on August 18, 2012, 04:17:32 AM
Rich, I can't help you with dating your reel, but I like the unusual counterbalanced handle and steel main gear.
George
Rich: I can date your reel. What is your curfew? I can take it on a date for daytime fishing or night time fishing. Are there any restrictions on drinking? Dominick
Quote from: Pescachaser on August 18, 2012, 06:18:19 PM
Rich:. Are there any restrictions on drinking? Dominick
Yes!!! You need to cut down on the zin ;).
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 18, 2012, 08:41:57 PM
Quote from: Pescachaser on August 18, 2012, 06:18:19 PM
Rich:. Are there any restrictions on drinking? Dominick
Yes!!! You need to cut down on the zin ;).
Sal it is not the Zin. The Zin makes you feel good. It's the lousy wine like this that makes you do silly things. ;D
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Where do you find that stuff ;D ;D
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Replace that spool as soon as you can with a one piece chrome. Those three piece spools will deform and break if to much pressure is applied.
haha i like the shoes
QuoteAround the mid 50's Penn introduced the one-piece spool.
With respect to my esteemed colleague, Penn introduced the one-piece cast bronze spools in the Senators in the mid to late 60s. That was also about the time when the handles were changed, discontinuing the counter-balance feature. My recall about those things isn't so good, but I do remember that the changes were made in about that time frame.
Quote from: Makule on August 20, 2012, 06:05:43 PM
QuoteAround the mid 50's Penn introduced the one-piece spool.
With respect to my esteemed colleague, Penn introduced the one-piece cast bronze spools in the Senators in the mid to late 60s. That was also about the time when the handles were changed, discontinuing the counter-balance feature. My recall about those things isn't so good, but I do remember that the changes were made in about that time frame.
IN 1932 Otto Henze established Penn Fishing Tackle Manufacturing Company in Philadelphia, 25 years later in 1957 it was their silver anniversary and that is when the light green boxes were introduced ( don't ask me why the boxes were green and not silver). I believe that all of their green boxes came with the one-piece spool on their reels.
My father had a couple of 6/0 Senators from the mid 50s and they had the 3-piece spools and the counterbalanced handles. When I started casting in the 60s those reels were still being sold here.
Albert, I'm 100% sure that the one-piece spool was introduced during Penn's 25th anniversary. The 25th anniversary should have been on 1957.
Henze introduced the model "K" and "F" in 1932, but the patent was issued in 1933.
In the year of 1958 Penn Senator models from the 4/0 to 12/0 featured the one-piece cast spool as standard equipment.
The one-piece spool was optional in the 14/0 and 16/0.
Sal
QuoteAlbert, I'm 100% sure that the one-piece spool was introduced during Penn's 25th anniversary. The 25th anniversary should have been on 1957.
Sal, I'm 100% sure that you're 100% correct, since you're 100% sure.
That I could purchase the old style reels in the 60s probably only means that someone had old stock they were getting rid of.
I would reiterate, "My recall about those things isn't so good, but I do remember that the changes were made in
about that time frame". The decades are getting mixed up in my mind as they are getting numerous. Next thing you know is that I'll be telling you Kennedy was President in the 50s. :-[
You didn't say anything wrong Albert, I'm sure they were still selling the three-piece spools around that time to get rid of them.
Talk to you later buddy.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 21, 2012, 09:31:15 PM
You didn't say anything wrong Albert, I'm sure they were still selling the three-piece spools around that time to get rid of them.
Talk to you later buddy.
Sal
Would you believe, my two largest ulua (Jack Cravelle) were taken on one of the very old slow speed, 3-piece spool, 6/0? I swapped out the handle with one from a 9/0 to get more leverage, but aside from that, it was all stock. I shunned the one-piece cast bronze spool because it was too heavy (got one of the red, high speed 6/0 reels and sold it after using it the first time). Then, I used the cast bronze spooled 9/0 exclusively until the aluminum spools came out. Good thing I was strong enough to cast them, but I still liked those old slow speed 6/0s. It wasn't fast or fancy, but it did what it needed to do.
6/0 standard is a good reel , bushes and all . Has faired me well for decades of the piers here.
Quote from: Makule on August 22, 2012, 04:59:28 AM
but I still liked those old slow speed 6/0s. It wasn't fast or fancy, but it did what it needed to do.
Quote from: Harry on August 22, 2012, 05:41:11 AM
6/0 standard is a good reel , bushes and all . Has faired me well for decades of the piers here.
I agree, and with an Accurate frame and 1+7 drags, the 6/0 won't take a back seat to many reels.