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Title: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: whalebreath on September 05, 2012, 03:48:24 AM
Doing a search on 'Release Reels' brings up everything but-does anyone have any experience with these Made in USA units?

http://releasereels.com/
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Bryan Young on September 05, 2012, 04:03:09 AM
Interesting.  Would love to see one and take one apart for a review.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: alantani on September 05, 2012, 04:46:08 AM
it's a tough time to start a new business.......   :-\
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Panama on September 05, 2012, 05:28:21 AM
Never heard of them until now, so I looked it up.  I like the simplicity and how light they (might) be.  30 lbs of drag on the smallest model. WOW....
Don't care much for the 2 tone color but the red/silver looks good.  Cost seems a little high thought....Maybe is that my pockets are light lately...LOL!
BTW for $250 shouldn't it come with a knob?  :D
Hey Alan, contact them. They would probably agree to send you one for review, and let us know. Like Bryan said.........
Quote from: Bryan Young on September 05, 2012, 04:03:09 AM
Interesting.  Would love to see one and take one apart for a review.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: alantani on September 05, 2012, 05:53:14 AM
can 'o worms.....   :-\
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Bryan Young on September 05, 2012, 07:06:22 AM
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Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: LI Guy on September 06, 2012, 07:14:05 PM
I just clicked on the Large Game Reel. 40# of drag with a 6:1 gear ratio. My wrists and back hurt just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Irish Jigger on September 06, 2012, 07:46:13 PM
Made in USA,can't be bad.

http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f76/release-reels-28965/
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Nuvole on September 06, 2012, 10:34:33 PM
Where can I order one ;-)
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Irish Jigger on September 06, 2012, 10:46:35 PM
Quote from: Nuvole on September 06, 2012, 10:34:33 PM
Where can I order one ;-)
www.releasereels.com
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Nuvole on September 07, 2012, 12:08:24 AM
Quote from: Irish Jigger on September 06, 2012, 10:46:35 PM
Quote from: Nuvole on September 06, 2012, 10:34:33 PM
Where can I order one ;-)
www.releasereels.com

Emailed them, and they replied within an hour.
Good news is that they already have a distributor over my side of the pond  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: alantani on September 07, 2012, 11:02:03 AM
i look forward to your report!
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 07, 2012, 02:12:04 PM
Hey guys!  We are excited to see so much interest in our reels!  I joined to help answer any questions you may have, and hopefully see some pictures of some monster fish!  The pictures of the gears and drag washers on here are from an old LG prototype, and have been greatly improved since then.  Let me know if you would like to see some pictures of the newer stuff.  We look forward to the feedback.  The cool display you see is from a dealer in Virginia, pretty sweet looking I think. 

Tight Lines,
Bill
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Panama on September 07, 2012, 03:45:27 PM
Welcome Bill,
Nice reels.  Non out here in the "left" coast but I am sure their will be soon.  I am not working right now so money is funny (to say the least), still yet, this is going on the top of the xmas list!  Isn't Santa Claus a member here?..... :D
Once again, welcome to the best (fishing) house on the block!

Anthony
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Nuvole on September 07, 2012, 04:23:39 PM
Bill,

If you would consider to add in some magnetic cast control on your smaller reels, I see that you will open another door for the surfcaster.

Cheer,

Arthur
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 07, 2012, 04:39:41 PM
Thanks Anthony!  I think Santa does stop by here for fishing tips and Christmas list suggestions!  Our website, which is constantly updating, has recently been updated and has some fresh pics and info on our reels.  Please stop by and let us know what you think. 
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 07, 2012, 04:48:27 PM
Thanks for the suggestion Arthur!  We have actually tinkered with that a bit, and it is definitely in the game plan as a future option.  Currently, we are so busy with trying to keep the supply up with demand, we can't take the CNC mills offline to make modifications.  Keep an eye on us though, we have a lot in the works here and excited about the future of Release Reels!

Quote from: Nuvole on September 07, 2012, 04:23:39 PM
Bill,

If you would consider to add in some magnetic cast control on your smaller reels, I see that you will open another door for the surfcaster.

Cheer,

Arthur
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Bryan Young on September 07, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
Bill,

Welcome and thanks for joining.  Wishing you success.

Please add photos where needed as many people visit here daily, weekly, or at least monthly.

Bryan
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 07, 2012, 05:51:19 PM
Thanks Bryan,
If there are any specific pics of a reel currently in production that anyone would like to see, just let me know and I'll do what I can to post it. 

Thanks,
Bill

Quote from: Bryan Young on September 07, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
Bill,

Welcome and thanks for joining.  Wishing you success.

Please add photos where needed as many people visit here daily, weekly, or at least monthly.

Bryan
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Irish Jigger on September 07, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
Welcome aboard Release Reels.
Great to see a new reel being designed and manufactured in the USA. Brings back happy memories of reels "Made with pride in the USA"
I wish you every success with your venture.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 07, 2012, 07:30:33 PM
Thank you!

Quote from: Irish Jigger on September 07, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
Welcome aboard Release Reels.
Great to see a new reel being designed and manufactured in the USA. Brings back happy memories of reels "Made with pride in the USA"
I wish you every success with your venture.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Nessie Hunter on September 07, 2012, 08:51:09 PM
Quote from: Release Reels on September 07, 2012, 07:30:33 PM
Thank you!

Quote from: Irish Jigger on September 07, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
Welcome aboard Release Reels.
Great to see a new reel being designed and manufactured in the USA. Brings back happy memories of reels "Made with pride in the USA"
I wish you every success with your venture.

Best of luck, good to know the good old USA can still produce.....



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Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Bryan Young on September 07, 2012, 09:38:20 PM
Hi Bill,

Post any reels that you so please that would help everyone get an idea behind your reels.  Internals are also good, such as anti-reverse systems, gearing, options, and probably the loaded question is...how can your little reel get 30# of drag with all of the competitors are only getting max 15-18# and have a high probability of damaging the pinion bearing.

Bryan
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Alto Mare on September 07, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
Welcome aboard Bill...good luck with your reels.
Did anyone take any for a test drive on the water?
Sal
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Dominick on September 08, 2012, 01:05:51 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on September 07, 2012, 05:34:35 PM
Bill,
Welcome and thanks for joining.  Wishing you success.
Please add photos where needed as many people visit here daily, weekly, or at least monthly.
Bryan

Hey Bill welcome.  By all means post some photos.  We are all very interested in the guts of the reel.  I for one use this site as my home page.  That way I don't have to look at a busy page trying to lure me into watching news videos of Lindsey Lohan.  Glad to have you on board.  Dominick
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: alantani on September 08, 2012, 07:07:22 AM
welcome aboard!
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 10, 2012, 02:21:20 PM
Without "releasing" any secrets Bryan, the answer lies within your question!  ;) Through extensive prototype testing, we intentionally overstressed every component of the reel to find any weaknesses.  As that process evolved, we found that by fixing one problem we created another, so we kept adapting until we found a combination that works.  Just like the right blend makes Kentucky Fried Chicken irresistible, we hope our special blend of parts makes our reel irresistible too!

Bill

Quote from: Bryan Young on September 07, 2012, 09:38:20 PM
Hi Bill,

Post any reels that you so please that would help everyone get an idea behind your reels.  Internals are also good, such as anti-reverse systems, gearing, options, and probably the loaded question is...how can your little reel get 30# of drag with all of the competitors are only getting max 15-18# and have a high probability of damaging the pinion bearing.

Bryan
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Bryan Young on September 10, 2012, 02:49:04 PM
Well said Bill.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on September 10, 2012, 02:58:06 PM
bill, welcome to Mr. Tani's neighborhood and all the best to release reels...
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Dominick on September 10, 2012, 10:59:57 PM
Quote from: Release Reels on September 10, 2012, 02:21:20 PM
As that process evolved, we found that by fixing one problem we created another, so we kept adapting until we found a combination that works.  Just like the right blend makes Kentucky Fried Chicken irresistible, we hope our special blend of parts makes our reel irresistible too!  Bill

Hi Bill, I'll take two reels, extra crispy.   :D  Dominick
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Nessie Hunter on September 10, 2012, 11:58:21 PM
Quote from: Pescachaser on September 10, 2012, 10:59:57 PM
Quote from: Release Reels on September 10, 2012, 02:21:20 PM
As that process evolved, we found that by fixing one problem we created another, so we kept adapting until we found a combination that works.  Just like the right blend makes Kentucky Fried Chicken irresistible, we hope our special blend of parts makes our reel irresistible too!  Bill

Hi Bill, I'll take two reels, extra crispy.   :D  Dominick

Bucket or meal????   lol

Very good analogy......  
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 11, 2012, 06:59:10 PM
Hahaha love it!

Quote from: Pescachaser on September 10, 2012, 10:59:57 PM
Quote from: Release Reels on September 10, 2012, 02:21:20 PM
As that process evolved, we found that by fixing one problem we created another, so we kept adapting until we found a combination that works.  Just like the right blend makes Kentucky Fried Chicken irresistible, we hope our special blend of parts makes our reel irresistible too!  Bill

Hi Bill, I'll take two reels, extra crispy.   :D  Dominick
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: conchydong on September 11, 2012, 07:42:34 PM

Any chance that you guys would make some with lower gear ratio options?
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 11, 2012, 10:13:29 PM
Our LG-2 coming out late Spring 2013 will have two speeds, 6:1 and 3.3:1.  Also, our BG will have two speeds, but as far as the SG there is nothing in the plans for a lower gear ratio. I'm not yet sure what the ratio on the spinners will be, but I'll keep you guys posted.

Bill

Quote from: conchydong on September 11, 2012, 07:42:34 PM

Any chance that you guys would make some with lower gear ratio options?
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Panama on September 11, 2012, 10:33:12 PM
Quote from: Release Reels on September 11, 2012, 10:13:29 PM
Our LG-2 coming out late Spring 2013 will have two speeds, 6:1 and 3.3:1.  Also, our BG will have two speeds, but as far as the SG there is nothing in the plans for a lower gear ratio. I'm not yet sure what the ratio on the spinners will be, but I'll keep you guys posted.

Bill

Wow, wow.....You got spinners in the works?  Did you just let the cat out the bag or did I miss something....
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: akfish on September 12, 2012, 01:58:28 AM
Do think about a slower SG. Check out the discussion on the Bloody Decks board about the Fathom gear ratio. There seems to be a pretty loud cry for something like 4:1 gears in addition to the 6:1 gears.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 12, 2012, 02:36:29 PM
Haha no, that cat has been slowly sneaking out for a while now.  The look and mechanics are still hush hush though!

Quote from: Panama on September 11, 2012, 10:33:12 PM
Quote from: Release Reels on September 11, 2012, 10:13:29 PM
Our LG-2 coming out late Spring 2013 will have two speeds, 6:1 and 3.3:1.  Also, our BG will have two speeds, but as far as the SG there is nothing in the plans for a lower gear ratio. I'm not yet sure what the ratio on the spinners will be, but I'll keep you guys posted.

Bill

Wow, wow.....You got spinners in the works?  Did you just let the cat out the bag or did I miss something....
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 12, 2012, 02:38:29 PM
That's the kind of feedback we're looking for.  Since we are dedicated to building a reel based on the needs of fisherman, we take every suggestion seriously.  With that in mind, what would be your idea reel?

Quote from: akfish on September 12, 2012, 01:58:28 AM
Do think about a slower SG. Check out the discussion on the Bloody Decks board about the Fathom gear ratio. There seems to be a pretty loud cry for something like 4:1 gears in addition to the 6:1 gears.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: akfish on September 12, 2012, 04:16:55 PM
An ideal reel for saltwater salmon in Alaska would hold about 200 yards of 30# line and have a gear ratio of perhaps 4.5:1. Faster gears are OK but not necessary because there is no need to rush baits back to the boat, but as a general rule, slower gears feel better and last longer. The one advantage of fast gears is for people who fish hoochies, spoons or lugs deep off downriggers. The fast retrieve will gain line quickly for retrieve or to take up slack to set the hook. And with the 30# of drag you get with your SG, many people will want to fill that reel with straight 80# spectra and fish halibut. But 6:1 gears just don't wok for that when you may be fishing a pound -- or even three! -- of lead.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 12, 2012, 04:32:34 PM
Our LG-2, which is our 2 speed version, has 6:1 and 3.3:1 ratios, weighs in at around 20 oz, and holds considerably more line than the SG.  Is the 30# line for the salmon mono or braid?  If it's a matter of a gear change and we have enough fisherman interested in it, that is something we can certainly make a batch of specifically for your target market.  Also, our gears are spur cut, not helical, so the durability is there and you won't have to worry about them hopping under increased drag or wearing out. If for some reason they do, that's covered under the lifetime warranty. Thanks for the info though, that's the sort of thing we are interested in. 

Bill 


Quote from: akfish on September 12, 2012, 04:16:55 PM
An ideal reel for saltwater salmon in Alaska would hold about 200 yards of 30# line and have a gear ratio of perhaps 4.5:1. Faster gears are OK but not necessary because there is no need to rush baits back to the boat, but as a general rule, slower gears feel better and last longer. The one advantage of fast gears is for people who fish hoochies, spoons or lugs deep off downriggers. The fast retrieve will gain line quickly for retrieve or to take up slack to set the hook. And with the 30# of drag you get with your SG, many people will want to fill that reel with straight 80# spectra and fish halibut. But 6:1 gears just don't wok for that when you may be fishing a pound -- or even three! -- of lead.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Alto Mare on September 12, 2012, 08:52:42 PM
If you're able to cut them, I'll take mine Helical cut.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on September 12, 2012, 09:34:19 PM
i'll take mine helical too...
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: akfish on September 13, 2012, 12:21:17 AM
My guess is the LG would be fine for salmon, but the reality is that we really don't need a two speed reel for salmon. A few people do use them (I see lots of Avets and Shimanos plus some Accurates in the shop) but most people don't want to pay the extra $100 or so when they won't be using two speeds. Salmon mouths are soft so you can't just drop the reel in low and crank. There is more reason for two speeds in a halibut reel -- fast to check bait from 200 or 300 feet, and slow to crank in a 100 pound fish -- but a high speed of 6:1 doesn't work well if you are fishing a couple or even three pounds of lead because of depth and current. This is why I recommend that people use a single speed Avet HX (4.2:1) instead of a two speed (5.4:1 and 2.3:1) for halibut. A two speed reel with 4:1 and 2:1 gears would be about right for halibut (i.e., the gears on a Shimano TLDII). That said, I personally rarely use heavy weight for halibut anymore because I like to fish butterfly jigs, and an 8 oz. butterfly drops as straight and fast as a one pound cannon ball. But most people use a heavy weight, a large bait -- a salmon head or something -- and a 14/0 circle hook.

Oh: Most people up here do still use straight 20# or 30# mono for salmon, but more and more are using braid with a top shot.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 13, 2012, 01:37:11 PM
Why is your preference helical over spur?  We have a reason we chose spur but I am interested in learning what you guys think.

Bill

Quote from: Alto Mare on September 12, 2012, 08:52:42 PM
If you're able to cut them, I'll take mine Helical cut.

Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Release Reels on September 13, 2012, 01:46:57 PM
Thanks for the info.  I talked with Wes(president/CEO) about this yesterday and it is something we can do if we have enough interest in it.  Although we are too busy to take the machines offline at the moment, when we get caught up we will explore that option.  We want to be able to get fisherman what they really need to do the job, make it in the USA, and guarantee it for life.  I really appreciate all the insight you guys have given us, it helps us learn the unfamiliar fisheries and how to target the angler's needs. 

Bill

Quote from: akfish on September 13, 2012, 12:21:17 AM
My guess is the LG would be fine for salmon, but the reality is that we really don't need a two speed reel for salmon. A few people do use them (I see lots of Avets and Shimanos plus some Accurates in the shop) but most people don't want to pay the extra $100 or so when they won't be using two speeds. Salmon mouths are soft so you can't just drop the reel in low and crank. There is more reason for two speeds in a halibut reel -- fast to check bait from 200 or 300 feet, and slow to crank in a 100 pound fish -- but a high speed of 6:1 doesn't work well if you are fishing a couple or even three pounds of lead because of depth and current. This is why I recommend that people use a single speed Avet HX (4.2:1) instead of a two speed (5.4:1 and 2.3:1) for halibut. A two speed reel with 4:1 and 2:1 gears would be about right for halibut (i.e., the gears on a Shimano TLDII). That said, I personally rarely use heavy weight for halibut anymore because I like to fish butterfly jigs, and an 8 oz. butterfly drops as straight and fast as a one pound cannon ball. But most people use a heavy weight, a large bait -- a salmon head or something -- and a 14/0 circle hook.

Oh: Most people up here do still use straight 20# or 30# mono for salmon, but more and more are using braid with a top shot.
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on September 13, 2012, 07:24:54 PM
helical gears meshes better, hence more efficient, and less noise too. my 2 cents  ;)
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: alantani on September 13, 2012, 07:28:38 PM
i think that is the reason that okuma went with a helical cut gear in their makaira line. 
Title: Re: Release Reels-Any Experience Here With Them?
Post by: Alto Mare on September 13, 2012, 09:01:57 PM
Quote from: Release Reels on September 13, 2012, 01:37:11 PM
Why is your preference helical over spur?  We have a reason we chose spur but I am interested in learning what you guys think.

Bill

Quote from: Alto Mare on September 12, 2012, 08:52:42 PM
If you're able to cut them, I'll take mine Helical cut.

Straight cut gears are weaker than a same size helical cut gear. Helical have more teeth meshing and are quiter.
I've  tried both and like the helical much better.
Sal