So, I know that everyone gives the 112h short shrift around here, but I love the diameter of it, it is much easier for me to handle than a 3/0. I just took a new to me old one apart to service and the fiber washer under the gear came out in about 4 pieces. This reel is old enough that it had fiber washers throughout, so I'm getting carbons for it. So, now that I'm waiting for the mail I got to thinking (as dangerous for me as it is for many others on here I'm sure). I would like a 2/0 with more capacity. As I understand it, the Jigmaster is the same diameter but wider and parts move around readily, so can I use a spool, stand and bars from a Jigmaster with the 112h guts including 501 gears and a stainless sleeve to make a wide 112h? If so, it would be really cool. As it happens, this reel has bushings which makes me happy because Alan says that's what you need for fishing from a small boat and this reel will bounce jigs and bait off the bottom of the Leeward side of Oahu from a Devlin 5x10.
Thanks
Ron
I'm not a mix and match penn expert. Anyone know?
Hello Ron,
The Penn Jigmaster isn't the same diameter as the 2/0 or the 112H. However, the 112H and Jigmaster use the same gears and drag washers. There are kits available to make the 112H wider, but what you suggest won't work. The Jigmaster spool won't fit in a 112H, either (different diameter).
A couple of other things; the Jigmaster and 1/0 Senator are the same diameter, but share FEW interchangeable parts. The 2/0, 3/0, and 112H are the same diameter, but 2/0 and 3/0 don't have many parts in common with the 112H.
George
Alrightee Ron,
The wide 112H is called a "Tuna Special". Berinson Tackle sells the frame and spool kits for about $140. I hope this info helps.
George
Is there any way to figure out the part number for the spool?
Quote from: alantani on September 16, 2012, 02:12:55 AM
Is there any way to figure out the part number for the spool?
Berinson's Tuna Special kit includes an Accurate frame and Newell spool. I don't know the part #. I suppose one could email them for an answer.
Thanks everyone,
I always thought that a "Tuna Special" and a "Yellow Tail Special" were synonymous. How on earth is the smaller real the Tuna special? I grew up catching San Diego Yellow Tail and dreaming about the tuna fleet. I wouldn't know that a open top 4/0 would be up to a Big Eye.
Thanks
Ron
I think that you're going in the wrong direction. The 112h is 2.25" wide, the Jigmaster is 2.5" wide and both have the same line capacity. I would stay away from those "Tuna Special" kits, they're just too costly.
Keep that 112H as is, get youself a ss gear sleeve from Alan and a one piece frame ...if you had to have it, carbon fiber washers and that's about it, unless Lee could make some ss dogs for that reel.
The 112h will hold 625yds of 50lb braid, that's a lot of line.... Just my 2 sense :-\
Sal
625yards is a lot of line, but Alan says this reel shouldn't use braid because it slips between the spool. I want to run 30# mono, I'm sure the reel will hold enough, I just thought that beings how the reel is OOC, I might as well look at hot rodding it. I concur, I have better ways of spending $140.00. Not that it wouldn't be a lot of cool!
Ron
If you're going with 30# mono you'll get 300 yds.
Alan is right about the older Senators, but on this particular reel you'll get away with braid. I have two brand new ones in boxes and I can barely push a piece of standard sheet of paper in it. Mine are made in US, I'm not sure about the others.
Don't shortchange the little 112H it is a good reel and is only the high speed narrow 3/0.I use both 3/0(112) and 112H for tuna and don't knock them they can do a great job set up the right way.I catch Blackfin and schooly YFT in the gulf every year with mine so they work.The 112H gives 8# of drag all day long and with a few changes such as a SS gear sleeve and a little dremel work for an extra drag washer can be brought up to 11 or 12# .30-50# braid with a 30+# topshot and you have a great live bait choice that is easy to handle and cast.Alot of guys knock the older penn reels but they forget they were catching everything in the sea for decades before the newer reels were a glimmer in there designers eyes.And remember newer is always better for the guy selling you the newer stuff,ahh us boys and our toys.And as for the 113H it is a whole bigger animal,I still have the one 113H 4/0 that I used to catch jewfish and hammerheads off of the beaches in Floridia when I was a teenager some 30 years ago.I have improved it over the years and it still pounds tuna on a yearly basis.
Newell made a "Bluefin" kit to extend this reel. I could have sworn that I saw someone in Honolulu selling these parts, but I just cannot find the posting.
Other than that, I'd stay with the standard width if you can.
Considering I have 30# Big Game coming out the ears, I'll stick with it for a while. Thanks for all the help, now I'm just waiting on the mail man.
Ron
Aloha Ron,
E komo mai.
I'll be coming home (Oahu) in October for my grandmother's 100 year old birthday party. Let me know if you want/need anything.
If you are interested in a SS gear sleeve for your reel, I believe that 5 Oceans 7 Seas has one in stock.
Aloha,
Bryan
NYOB----My "favorite and Go To" is a 112H with spacer bars, 20lb test, and a Penn Californian C870C 7' that I bought as a combo from Turner's in Riverside, CA...it will bottom fish, toss irons and live bait way better that my skill set will allow...would love to get two more, but just need to figure how to get them in the house.... ;D....Bill
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I believe I can help you out there Bill, just get them shipped to one of your buddy on the block and pick them up when the wife is food shopping or buying shoes ;). Shhh! don't tell anyone ;D
Quote from: TARFU on September 16, 2012, 03:23:35 PM
NYOB----My "favorite and Go To" is a 112H with spacer bars, 20lb test, and a Penn Californian C870C 7' that I bought as a combo from Turner's in Riverside, CA...it will bottom fish, toss irons and live bait way better that my skill set will allow...would love to get two more, but just need to figure how to get them in the house.... ;D....Bill
Bill, what spool do you have in your 112H?
Quote from: noyb72 on September 16, 2012, 07:51:08 AM
Considering I have 30# Big Game coming out the ears, I'll stick with it for a while. Thanks for all the help, now I'm just waiting on the mail man.
Ron
I gotta ask, Ron, what is the mail man bringing? If you get one of the Tuna Special kits, let us know how it goes. Also, I would like to know the width of the frame.
Thanks,
George
Right now all he's bringing is carbon fiber drags. I'm sure I'll get a few other goodies for this one though.
Ron
Looks to be black anodized aluminum (???) with the number 112H-1 on the side.
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I missed that you bought it at Turners!! I grew up buying stuff at turners. Like, the current store is the "new" store to me. When my friends wanted GI Joe at Toys R Us, I wanted to go to Turners. Funny, I'm still playing with my toys, 40 year olds playing with GI Joe are, well, maybe their is one or two on here so I'll shut up now!!
Ron
Bill, That's a nice outfit you have. I hope you didn't disassemble your reel to get the answer. Your photos gave the illusion that your reel was a widened version.
Bryan,
If you have a 505 gear set with 5+1 drag set up laying around and could stick it on a stainless sleeve that would be cool, just give me a quote. I'm gonna give a go at turning a knob and milling a handle on my own. I'm thinking stainless and Koa would look spectacular. I'm debating on reel clamps, I like the idea of the Penn metal ones but I have never seen one.
Thanks
Ron
Jigmaster spools are not interchangeable with 112H spools, the 112 slightly larger in diameter. A Penn 60/65 spool is the right diameter but the shafts are too short to use on a 112. One of these days I'll figure out how to put a 60 width spool in a 112H.
I have a few 112H reels, one a 112H narrow, I like them as well as Jigmasters for light trolling, not as well for bottom fish or live bait albacore fishing.
George and Sal are giving good advice here.
Sal, SS dogs for Jigmasters and 112H reels are drawn, I need to get some of the right thickness material and then they will be cut.
Quote from: Keta on September 17, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
One of these days I'll figure out how to put a 60 width spool in a 112H.
And when you figure it out, please let me know. ;) I would also like a narrowed 112H, because I'm a narrow minded guy. ;D
George
Quote from: George4741 on September 17, 2012, 04:11:32 PM
Quote from: Keta on September 17, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
One of these days I'll figure out how to put a 60 width spool in a 112H.
And when you figure it out, please let me know. ;) I would also like a narrowed 112H, because I'm a narrow minded guy. ;D
George
Yea, same here.
I'm sure that there are a few combinations that we could come up with, I have parts to play with but I do not have any gears :-\.
Quote from: Keta on September 17, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
Jigmaster spools are not interchangeable with 112H spools, the 112 slightly larger in diameter. A Penn 60/65 spool is the right diameter but the shafts are too short to use on a 112. One of these days I'll figure out how to put a 60 width spool in a 112H.
I have a few 112H reels, one a 112H narrow, I like them as well as Jigmasters for light trolling, not as well for bottom fish or live bait albacore fishing.
George and Sal are giving good advice here.
Sal, SS dogs for Jigmasters and 112H reels are drawn, I need to get some of the right thickness material and then they will be cut.
Lee, it's great that you're cutting the dogs for the 112H, I'll take the usual. Could you also cut the ones for the Surfmaster or are they too small?
George, I was looking at the 5-66 gear yesterday, you're right, I also agree that it could be pushed to 15lb,. I was thinking Jigmaster gears, that 5-66 is nice and beefy.
Quote from: Keta on September 17, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
Sal, SS dogs for Jigmasters and 112H reels are drawn, I need to get some of the right thickness material and then they will be cut.
Lee, please put me on the list for 112H SS dogs....8 if possible. thanks!
Quote from: Alto Mare on September 17, 2012, 04:28:31 PM
Lee, it's great that you're cutting the dogs for the 112H, I'll take the usual. Could you also cut the ones for the Surfmaster or are they too small?
I have several 100, 150 and 200 Surfmasters and use them, SS dogs for Surfmasters is on the short list.
I would love a set or two of those dogs when aailable.
Thanks
Ron
It's my second busiest time of the year after lambing season (fishing, deer and elk hunting and winterising the irrigation system) but as soon as things quiet down I'll start back on shelved projects....Sal's job is first on the list.
Lee,
I'm with Mel... I'll take 8 when ya get 'em done. I love the versatility of this reel. I troll, bottom fish, and cast it better than my 113h (even though it has bearings.)
Thanks
Dom
This maybe should have it's own thread, but I'll ask it here anyway. Are the Left hand plates different between a Senator and a Special Senator?
Thanks
Ron
Yes, they are different.
I WON!!
Rite after I started this thread, a new Newell Tuna Special kit came up on ebay. Just got it, for much less than I thought I'd have to pay. I've been talking to Bryan Young and will stick with the 3+1 drags until I can afford a set of Newell high speeds and go to the 5+1. I'm concerned the brass high speed gears will strip under heavy drag. A stainless sleeve is in the works and of course double dogging. I am so excited I can't type fast enough to keep up with my brain!
So, a little sappy back story to explain all my joy. The first conventional rig I ever cast was a 2/0 senator on a medium Fenwick. My grandfather had 2, one with a Newell spool and bars and the other stock. I used the Newell'ed rig and caught everything the inshore and in harbor game could give me in Oceanside, Ca and my cousin did the same with the stock reel. The deal was that when the old man passed we would each get our respective rigs, we were the only ones who used them anyway. Well, when the day unfortunately came their was a lot of confusion and a lot of grabbing. As so often happens those who had something that meant something to them weren't able to come to the top of the heap with it. I haven't had anything that was by Newell since. So this reel will be my replacement. I am certain it will take me forever to find that brown, 70s era Fenwick, but I will and I'm gonna fish the crap out of the Leeward side of Oahu with it.
Sob story over, please carry out the rest of your day.
Ron
Great stuff Ron - that's what it's all about ;) ;D
Good luck with the rod, Justin
Very good Ron. glad you got what you wanted at a good price.
Quote from: noyb72 on September 24, 2012, 12:19:39 AM
I WON!!
Rite after I started this thread, a new Newell Tuna Special kit came up on ebay.
Ron
Ron, what is the width of the Tuna Special kit?
George
Ot is .25' wider than stock, I believe it is 3'. The spool is also deeper, it's center is thinner by stock allowing it to hold 425 yards of 30 pound mono. I still haven't decided what to spool this thing with.
Ron
Thanks for the info.