Hi, Dawn, I need a new drag washer for my studio ocean mark reel. Hopefully you can help me here?
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there are eight notches on the washer and 11,75mm in between them
G'day Thor,
Dawn's away till 21 Oct.
I'd be keen to hear how you've found this reel - they're advertising a bit in NZ now and becoming popular for jigging...
Cheers, Justin
I bought it from a japanese shop. It was way expensive but a stunning reel! I will make a rebuild soon
They sell CF washers for those. See your previous Drag Material thread.
Quote from: Robert Janssen on October 14, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
They sell CF washers for those. See your previous Drag Material thread.
x2 you can get a CF drag from SOM or possibly many of their dealers.
help dawn?
I dont think the Carbontex come thicker then 1 mm or 1.25 mm??
Im sure I have seen Dawn say 1mm in the past??
Quote from: johndtuttle on October 15, 2012, 02:36:25 AM
Quote from: Robert Janssen on October 14, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
They sell CF washers for those. See your previous Drag Material thread.
x2 you can get a CF drag from SOM or possibly many of their dealers.
This would be the Best option IMO... Made to fit...
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she is probably slugging her way through a thousand e-mails!
Hi
I have been slogging through emails, plus phone and internet down the day I got home!
I don't have anything for this reel, and I don't have material thick enough. If you can get them elsewhere, that would be the way to go.
Dawn
oh, taht's bad news. No the manufacturer only makes a CF choice for the newest models.... how can I make this happen? I am thinking hand cut plexi glass underneath the washer (glued with epoxy onto the CF)?
It seems that you might be able to cut a washer of fiberglass or plexi to take up space, might get too hot in there for plexi? I wouldn't glue the CF, the glue usually goes through and ruins it. It seems like the tabs of both pieces should keep the washer in place without gluing them together.
The reel gurus might have ideas ;D
Dawn
could I buy a sheet of 60x60mm sheet of the thickest CF you have dawn? how much?
Hi Thor,could you increase the thickness of your proposed stainless steel drag plate to accommodate the thinner CF? :-\
No.... They have a machine that already have "read" the parts dimensions already... He is kind of doing me a favour here so I would rather not. I will find a way!
Could you use 2 CF washers one ontop of the other? One at 1mm thick and another thinner one on top.
heck, that might work Basto! I could lay two on top of each other... it would give me alot more drag when the preset knob is all the way back but it might work... If it doesn´t can you grind the underneath washer a little bit down with sandpaper/file or a fine grinding stone?
On another note.... how hard is it to cut CF 1mm thick if I were to buy a sheet? do I need a special pair of scissors? regular scissors, dremel (dangerous particals there maybe?)
G'day Thor,
I cut 1mm CF sheet all the time - easy as...
I use my wife's dressmaking scissors as they're super sharp and have enough weight to be easily controlled.
I mark out the shape (ID/OD) with a white colouring pencil and cut to the outside of the line.
I punch the ID.
Once I've cut the shape, I refine and adjust the OD with a bench grinder.
I usually fasten the metal drag plate to the CF as a template during this part of the process.
I went through the process on my Ventura (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3463.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3463.0)) and trialled doubling the washer, as was suggested.
It worked fine, but I found shimming the spool worked better in the end.
If you're after 0.5mm or 1mm, they're available through http://www.downriggershop.com.au/carbontex-drag-washers.html (http://www.downriggershop.com.au/carbontex-drag-washers.html), or I can order some and post it up (I'm about to make an order)...
The 0.5mm sheets aren't listed on the site yet, but are available.
Hope that's of some assistance.
Cheers, Justin
PS I get really itchy if the CF dust settles on my skin, so am careful to avoid contact with it.
thank you for the respons Justin! that is great news... now the washer is quite thick and a guy from NZ (fishing.net.nz) said this about the reel:
"Also fwiw, I happen to know that the coefficient of friction for cork is much higher than for carbon fiber. That is to say, more drag with less pressure on the drag system."
If this is true (???) maybe I ought to make two 1mm cf washers stacked and not one 1mm, and another 0,5mm? maybe I could buy three sheets from you mate, two on 1mm and one on 0,5 and test... Easiest would be sheets at 60x60mm. I have a scissor made for leather (my mothers) it seems pretty heavy and solid and I think that might work.
What are you thinking here?
Only consern is that if the cork washer is 1,8mm approx. that means that you can not fit two 1mm cf washers on top of each other because the retainer wire on the spool has a very tight fit...
Can thinner metal washers be cut and more put into the drag stack?
I guess you could but Where can I get this
If I had a stock metal washer/washers and some dimentions I can have them cut for a fair price.
Could you grind the 1mm CF sheet down to 0.865mm thick and fit two?
You are only removing 0.135mm (5 thousandths of an inch.)
First check the actual thickness using a Vernier as it may not be exactly 1mm.
You've got something there Tom, but Thor would need to glue them together when he gets the proper thickness, or the washers would shred. :-\
that could work Tom! but I may need some help with this!?
@altomare: the spool has "ears" so as long as the washer and the cf disk has ears I don't see a problem...?
but easiest way would be to buy two 1mm sheets of cf and cut it then stack them on top of each other. If the cork gives more friction in force than cf (which I am uncertain of, than maybe two 1mm cf washers stacked on top could work although maybe I have to grind down the ears just a tiny bit to accomodate the retainer wire...?
I'll order two extra 1mm sheets on Monday.
They'll take a few days to arrive here, so there's plenty of time to consider your options.
If you decide on a different solution, no worries - I'll use 'em...
Tis a fun process figuring out this kind of thing ;)
Good luck, Justin
Good luck Hafnor. You are a pioneer. Just like Clem.
That would have been great Justin, I'l send you a pm soon!
Good Luck Thor, you are indeed a pioneer. I take my hat off to you for trying to improve the drag on a brand new $1350 reel having only fished it once. I would imagine Studio Ocean will be very interested considering they use CF on their latest models.
funny you would say that!, actually spoke with their products manager takashi otsuka and all he said that the reel was intended to be used with cork and that SOM could not supply CF washer or ss or titanium drag plate!
i have no idea why someone would want cork...... :-\
Had a Velocette motor bike with steel clutch plate having cork inserts. It ran "wet" in oil and never had issues.
It may work quite well in a fishing reel if lubricated with Cals grease as it has a high coefficient of friction.
Having said that I wonder why SOM have CF drags on their latest models. :-\
I think there are pros and cons on this setup. The alu drag platec makes it extremely light (whole reel) and when dry or lubed with cal's it is so buttery smooth, no startup interia or lag whatsoever! however the bad sides of this is water intrusion! cf washers are more reliable and demands much less maintenance! I actually believe that in this case a spool shield would have helped, unfourtanetly it's open. Cork is old school and does not work well for contiunes 10hour fishing days over several days, unless it dries completely. However takashi otsuka reccomended studio ocean mark teflon drag grease hard type for the washer... This may solve the problem. but the price for one tiny bottle of grease is 30usd excluded shipping... and the question I have asked my self is how much better will it be...
Probably too late, but I have CF that would run about .92mm. CF thickness is all over the place, so I would usually be able to find something that would be close to whatever is needed.
If the place in Australia is getting carbon fiber where I am, chances are it will run under 1 mm.
Dawn
There is aguy on ebay that sells sheets of carbon fiber. He sells under the name "cfdrag". I know he has .90mm sheets. I used one of his .120mm sheets to cut a washer for a Shimano TTS30.
Thanks for all the help guys, but Justin has sorted me out with a 1 mm sheet, I will try to double stack it and maybe grind down the ears just 0,2mm to make sure the retainer is kept in place, Still waiting for the new drag plate too, will keep you posted on the project