So,
I won a 180 that I was sure I wouldn't win. From what I can tell it is a Surfmaster 100 with slow gears and Jigmaster drags. I think the 100 is similar in size to a 1/0, but I don't know much else. Anyone have any more data or experience?
Ron
The Surfmaster 100 is the same size as the Squidder 146. The 100 and 180 are both 3:1, the 180 is slightly larger acording to Penn Parts specs and close to the 1/0. I do not know about the drag stack OD.
I like using the 100 and 150.
I think you may have a Baymaster there, 2.3:1 ratio?
If it is indeed a 180 Baymaster, then it uses the same spool as a 100 surfmaster. It also uses 6-155 drag washers and is slightly smaller than a 1/0 senator.
Yes the spool is the same as the 100, but gears are not. The 100 uses the same gears as a squidder, the 1/0 and many others.
Yes, the 180 is basically a narrowed 155 beachmaster and is one of Penn's smallest conventionals. I narrowed my 155 to the 180 width because I'M NARROW MINDED. ;D
Here's an interesting fact. A few early 200 surfmasters have smaller main gears (same size as the 180) and 6-155 drags. More confusion to add to the Penn line-up. ;D I have one. At different times I've narrowed it to a 150 and 100 width. ;D
Thanks for confusing us George ::) ;D.
I'm thinking someone was experimenting with that reel.
I know you could drill the 13-200, didn't have the 13-140.
Sal, now you're confusing me. ;) I'm not sure what you mean about the 13-200/13-140 gears. ???
Isn't the 6-60 washer larger OD than the 6-155? I have a 209 I can take apart to measure the washers but I don't really like reassembling them if I don't have to.
Quote from: Keta on November 07, 2012, 03:29:46 PM
Isn't the 6-60 washer larger OD than the 6-155? I have a 209 I can take apart to measure the washers but I don't really like reassembling them if I don't have to.
Yes, the 6-60 is larger.
Quote from: George4741 on November 07, 2012, 03:22:14 PM
Sal, now you're confusing me. ;) I'm not sure what you mean about the 13-200/13-140 gears. ???
Pinion gear George.
I'm confused Sal (not unusual), is the spool shaft thicker?
My fault Lee, I didn't explain. I was putting together a squidder and only had gears for the 100, the main gear is the same but the pinion ID is smaller, so I had to enlarge.
Now I uderstand.
I know that there are lots of Penn Gurus here, I thought it would be nice to show some gears side by side.
These are the most popular sizes, well to me anyway:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/003-6.jpg)
And here is a shot of the smallest gear to the largest, just to compare:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/007-2.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/008-3.jpg)
Sal,
Thanks for posting the pics of the gears. I have started a little gear collection so I can see the difference but I don't have them all. It is nice to see most of them side by side.
John
Ron I have one that was my aunts- not fished it yet but I will. Very slow but I love these and way it fits in my hand.
Mine already has light weight spool installed. I have an extra LW spool, new in the vintage box - yours if you can use it. NO. 29-100
box says its for no. 100-180-185-190
Quote from: Joel.B on November 07, 2012, 06:37:53 PM
Mine already has light weight spool installed. I have an extra LW spool, new in the vintage box - yours if you can use it. NO. 29-100
box says its for no. 100-180-185-190
Joel, as you and some others may know, it is referring to the old pre-1990 185 and 190. The newer 185/190 have larger spools. Just more confusion for everyone. ;)
I can't afford a sample gear from all of the Penns ;) so I have to settle with a sample drag washer from each. ;D
George
Joel,
I apreciate the offer. I'm not sure what the reel has now. Was this reel offered with a plastic spool? If not, then it is already aluminum. If it isn't aluminum, I'll take you up on the offer. Does anyone know if Alans SS sleve fits? Are their HT-100 drags available?
Thanks
Ron
Ron,
this spool is plastic, not aluminum.
Nice Sal!
QuoteNice Sal!
x2 - a very useful post.
Cheers, Justin
I nominate it as Photo of the month, a seperate post with the picture stickied wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Ron
photo of the month! now, some dimensions would be nice. i've got a bunch of loose gears and i have no idea which ones they are.
+1 on the pic. Sal you always come up with something to admire. Maybe I'll use it as wall paper. Bob
Quote from: alantani on November 08, 2012, 02:14:41 AM
photo of the month! now, some dimensions would be nice. i've got a bunch of loose gears and i have no idea which ones they are.
I had a feeling it was going to lead to this ;D, here you go:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/044.jpg)
Keep in mind our calipers are not synchronized, but it should still help.
The 109 at the end should be switched with the 155 ,sorry I'm not doing it again, just a small detail.
Sal,
Thanks for doing this.
John
show off ....... ;D
So,
After going through some posts on here and looking at PennParts I believe that the 180 can't use a ss sleeve but the 155 gear can. If that is the case then is their a bridge that will fit the ss sleeve anf fit the reels sideplate?
Thanks
Ron
Ron, for the ss sleeve you'll need part # 98-155 coarse thread, Alan has them.
Sal
Thanks Sal,
My only concern is that PennParts lists the bridge as 3-155, and they don't list a ss sleeve for all of the reels with that bridge. In the recent Surfmaster thread, the 3-155 was described as having to small a post for the standard jigmaster bridge. I'm thinking mine will show up that way.
Ron
You will be ok Ron, your bridge on the 180 is a 3-155 and will take the 98-155 ss sleeve. the jigmaster bridge is 3-500 and will take the 98-60 ss sleeve.
I tested mine a while back, the difference in the two sleeve posts is only .2mm . I could fit the 98-155 sleeve on a Jigmaster, but the 98-60 sleeve is just a little lose on the 3-155.
Let me stop confusing you. The 98-155 ss sleeve will definitely fit on your reel.
Sal
Thanks Sal,
That's what I wanted to hear!
So, I'm thinking this reel will work on my 8ft. Calico special. Their are coastal snapper on this island that I have sort of fallen in love with. How does 20# braid with a 15# topshot sound on this reel? Is the spool to small for that heavy line?
Ron
Sal,
Thanks for this...very helpful for my frankenreels. ;D
Mark
Sal is the master Gear Head ;D
I love those gears all lined up so neatly!
Thank you.
It also remined me that my two 12/0 have different main gears - the newer one is brass and the older one is steel (not stainless but 'moly coated' - who is moly?).
Great photos, Sal. On the subject of frankenreels, is it possible to use a fine thread jigmaster gear sleeve in a squidder if I get the correct star?? Thanks..
Quote from: doradoben on August 04, 2013, 06:28:00 AM
Great photos, Sal. On the subject of frankenreels, is it possible to use a fine thread jigmaster gear sleeve in a squidder if I get the correct star?? Thanks..
Yes you could but you will lose one of the eccentric, the one that makes the handle go backwards while the drags are set. I'm sure there is a way to still keep it, the back side of the dog would need to be a little longer.
The gear sleeve that you are asking about is part#98-505AT, this sleeve doesn't go with the squidder, but as mentioned above, you could make it work.
Here is a shot of what I'm talking about:
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/001_zps5b8fc835.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/001_zps5b8fc835.jpg.html)
All you need to do is to make the dog shorter by 1/8". If you look at the opposite side of the dog, you'll notice that the eccentric is not pulling the dog away from the ratchet, when engaged, to make it work you will need to add about 1/8" at that area.
I tested the reel with the larger sleeve and it is working nicely, the dog is much louder, but I like it that way.
I do not mind doing this to my own squidders, I do not need the second eccentric.
Here is a shot of the original:
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/002_zps1b9e6687.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/002_zps1b9e6687.jpg.html)
Notice how much smaller the sleeve ratchet is? That one is part # 98-155, it will fit the squidders, surfmasters monofil reels, beach masters and a couple more. This one doesn't come in fine threads
I'm sure you already know, but here is the info on the dual eccentric, look at the very first picture:
https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/manuals/89bmanual.pdf (https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/manuals/89bmanual.pdf)
Lastly, I'm not a fan of fine threads.
Sal
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Thank you, Sal for the detailed photos & the explanation of the effect it would have. I didn't consider that the second lever wouldn't work, but I don't use the second eccentric either..
Re: the photo of the gears. Are those steel gears made by Penn? Some are darker and the shiny ones look like stainless steel. Will the darker gears hold up to a 5 stack of HT-100?
Those are steel and as long as you can keep them from rusting they effectively as strong as stainless.
Ron
Johnfishy, there may not be enough room in the gear for 5 HT-100 washers. Some Carbonex washers are thinner, but it will probably require thinner metal washers also. An excellent example of a similar conversion is Bryan's 5+1 Jigmaster drag set.
This is one of Sal's requested washers. Washers are designed, just waiting for funds.
Thanks for all the info. What a great site and bunch of guys!
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 08, 2012, 04:07:40 AM
Quote from: alantani on November 08, 2012, 02:14:41 AM
photo of the month! now, some dimensions would be nice. i've got a bunch of loose gears and i have no idea which ones they are.
I had a feeling it was going to lead to this ;D, here you go:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/044.jpg)
Keep in mind our calipers are not synchronized, but it should still help.
I just picked up a 27 Monofil tonight after a glass of zin and while searching for information stumbled across this.
Thank you Sal!
Steve
Quote from: swill88 on March 08, 2017, 05:29:04 AM
I just picked up a 27 Monofil tonight after a glass of zin and while searching for information stumbled across this.
Thank you Sal!
Steve
Thanks for finding that post Steve & thanks Sal for posting it, I have tried to find it a few times without luck.
Mike
Quote from: swill88 on March 08, 2017, 05:29:04 AM
I just picked up a 27 Monofil tonight after a glass of zin and while searching for information stumbled across this.
Thank you Sal!
Steve
Welcome to the 27 club. Let me know if you want to turn yours into a 40lb reel like mine...http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=15627.0