There are 9 sets of new SS 4:1 gear set available on Ebay for $60.00 with free shipping. It states they will fit Penn 4/0 and Progear reels. I saw them listed under Progear but they may also be listed under Penn. Not sure how to post a link, sorry.
John
Hi John,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-1-HIGH-SPEED-STAINLESS-STEEL-GEAR-SET-PENN-113H-4-0-PRO-GEAR-ACCURATE-NEWELL-/150951731724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23256ca20c.
Not sure who's making them. Interesting. Wonder if I should try a set.
Claims:
304 grade stainless steel
High speed 4:1 gear ratio
Helical cut gear
Says better than Newells. I know that Newells were hardened. These seem not to be. I don't know if it makes a difference though.
Bryan
I wouldn't doubt it if this seller has been ilistening to us, or maybe he is here with us :-\.
Bryan, 304 is an autenistic stainless steel and is not considered hardenable. See: http://www.mceproducts.com/knowledge-base/article/article-dtl.asp?id=18 Bob
What I meant is that it may not make any difference in our application if the gears are not hardened. SS will be much stronger than brass gears, but maybe a softer SS would be quiter than a hardened set. but what do I know.
Due to the power of this site, they're all gone.
I did buy one myself, I wasn't crazy about paying $60 per set when two years ago I purchased 24 sets from Charkbait at $35 a set.
I need to check them out.
Sal, wanna sell some of your $35 sets? ;)
All gone Bryan, I probably have 5 sets in my reels....if that :-\.
Sal, I'm only yanking your chain.
I know you are, I just wanted to mention it so others don't think that I wouldn't give them out if I had them.
THEY'RE BACK!
It looks like the seller has more gears and again listed them on ebay.
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 21, 2012, 02:30:52 AM
I know you are, I just wanted to mention it so others don't think that I wouldn't give them out if I had them.
Yup, thank you again.
Quote from: George4741 on November 21, 2012, 06:02:16 PM
THEY'RE BACK!
It looks like the seller has more gears and again listed them on ebay.
Wow, and 2 hours later, only 1 left. I hope the product works out.
I wish he/she would have offered it here for a cheaper price since he/she wouldn't have to deal with eBay fees, but everyone needs to make money, even eBay.
I bought a set to test out, also. I hope they like competition because I'm undeterred, especially with the use of 304 ss. It's not the right material for the job... too corrosive from what the gear manufacturers all tell me. Although, it is nice to see someone motivated, I certainly hope it's not a member who let some of us do an awful lot of work to try to bring these gear sets to the table. I don't believe any members here would do that so I suspect it was a lurker, but for sure he's visited this site by the descriptions he's given on Ebay (keywords-Carbontex and Cal's). Let's give them a shot and see how they work out. In the mean time I'm still working fellas ;)
Dom
I was wondering the same thing Dom, I'm hoping he is a lurker, but you never know :-\.
It's not me. I would never ever do this to you guys and gals.
If it was me they would be bronze or inconel.
I would have offered them here if it was me. Bob
Has anyone received them yet? Thoughts?
He has more back up. I just ordered a set. Bob
So,
Does $60.00 drive the price of a tank up to the point that you can get a new reel with similar capability for less money?
I add it up with all Jvariance parts ( I think the cheapest), the reel, the sleeve, yoke, dogs and gears your in the $220.00 range easy.
Ron
Years back, when I was a working stiff, we made some things out of an aluminum - bronze material called, I believe, Amco 18. It was tougher than a boiled owl, and seemed corrosion resistant. It might make a suitable gear material. Just throwing a cat among the pigeons here.
Charlie
I think the point is that it's not all about the money. It's the passion. ;D
For many of us, this would be the next gradual upgrade, not a build a new. Okay, that is what it would be for me...I cannot afford to build a beast from scratch.
+1 Bryan. I buy a used reel here and there. I fix or upgrade them for myself. Parts are too exspensive to buy seperate anyway. I have several sets of Penn ss gears for my reels. I just bought these to see for myself how they are. Bob
I can't either, at the moment. And I understand passion. My girls are getting Penn 85s with SS sleeves, Carbontex drags and power handles for Christmas. The cheapest upgrade is at least twice the value of the reel, but man will they be nice and the girls will be able to use them and pass them onto their grandchildren. I am just pointing out that the price point might be a little high if the manufacturer intends to make the supply constant.
Also speaking of passion. I've been able to work on our project finally. Initial results are so so but I think I can make it better.
Ron
+2, I just plain like working on the penn reels and a few shimanos, "I can't help myself"
Quote from: borchcl on November 28, 2012, 11:20:37 PM
Years back, when I was a working stiff, we made some things out of an aluminum - bronze material called, I believe, Amco 18. It was tougher than a boiled owl, and seemed corrosion resistant. It might make a suitable gear material. Just throwing a cat among the pigeons here.
Charlie
Love your lines Charlie, could listen to you all night. ;D
x2 on that, Sal... was thinking the same thing!
Dom
I've been resisting, so far, but if he keeps offering these gears, I may break down and buy a set. However, it's hard to justify the expense on a reel I may never use.
I also bought one set. Heli main gear seems okay but pinion appears slightly less beefy than the orginal stainless one.
I also just received my set today. I was impressed! Rolling the gears between my fingers felt much smoother than Accurate, also, the teeth made full contact wth eachother, the Accurate showed a little space. I don't know anything about the quality of the metal yet, until we take them fishing a few times. The dimention of the new main gear run .10mm smaller than the Accurate, at every points. The weight is also a little less, but we're talking small numbers. When placing both gears on the scale as a set, they're exactly the same.
I need less reels and more shop equipment.... So I can get the specs first hand.... Alan has me looking for a vise.. Ha...
I recieved my gears today too. The ebay gears are in the center of these pics. The other gears are a 113h brass and a Penn 113h ss main and pinion gears.
(http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii557/FireandH2O/Penn%20113h/005.jpg)
(http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii557/FireandH2O/Penn%20113h/004.jpg)
Sorry for the blurry pic. My photo-fu is weak today. Bob
Still haven't received them yet? Ordered on 11/21 ???
Dom
Hey Dom, I ordered mine on 11-20 and received them on Saturday, you will probably get yours by tomorrow.
Took mine 3 days. USPS is an amazing group. Both of us on east coast, item on west and one takes so long. Like me ordering something from Tampa, Fl. It may take 12 days for a 3 hour ride... Yet from ca. I have recieved things in 1 day... Yea buddy..what a group...
Well, he's back with another ten sets of gears for sale. I'd like to know the story behind them. Seems he has a reliable source.
Not sure about reliable...Still no gears here! The tracking number I was given says it was in Bethpage LI since Nov. 27th ???
Dom
I ordered a few set for some friends and received them in a couple of days. I sent him a message because I wanted to know if the gears were hardened and what the numbers were all about. He responded saying the gears are not hardened and the numbers are a batch number. He indicated he had 200 pieces available. Not sure if that is 200 sets or 100 mains and 100 pinions. I asked about the availability of other gears and he stated he would probably have 3.25:1 gears for a Penn 6/0 in the future.
John
Quote from: broadway on December 05, 2012, 04:56:55 PM
Not sure about reliable...Still no gears here! The tracking number I was given says it was in Bethpage LI since Nov. 27th ???
Dom
Dom, you may want to call the post office on this one.
I here ya Bry, but it's not my problem to deal with... it's his. However, if I don't get them by Friday I will be giving the seller the option to send me a new one or I will cancel my payment with Paypal.
Thanks
Dom
Looks like a good price as there is another set of gears on ebay that I've been watching that are now $66+ with 4 days left on the auction. (I've never understood why you bid on something sooner than <1 min left in the auction... ::) )
I have a set of old steel gears in my ebay 113h and I'm trying to decide if I want to pony up the $ for the SS gears. I still need a SS sleeve, dogs, new drags, handle and frame ;D My wife asked why I needed to buy the old reel if I was just going to upgrade all of the parts.
Quote from: coonhound on December 05, 2012, 06:05:48 PM
;D My wife asked why I needed to buy the old reel if I was just going to upgrade all of the parts.
Compare it to her fixing her self up and tell her you like the old one too much to get another.
Quote from: Keta on December 05, 2012, 06:16:03 PM
Quote from: coonhound on December 05, 2012, 06:05:48 PM
;D My wife asked why I needed to buy the old reel if I was just going to upgrade all of the parts.
Compare it to her fixing her self up and tell her you like the old one too much to get another.
That's a great one Lee
CH,
The steel gears are fine with a generous slathering of grease (make sure you get between the teeth, too) as long as you open her up when you feel she needs some love. The steel will rust and make a mess of your reel if not attended to, but they are comparable in strength (maybe stronger if heated treated) to the SS gears. Don't waste your dough... get a frame with that $.
As for the lil' lady, just tell her that you have a problem and the only way to make you normal is by stocking up on quality Penn reels and their parts ;)
Dom
Quote from: Bryan Young on December 05, 2012, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: Keta on December 05, 2012, 06:16:03 PM
Quote from: coonhound on December 05, 2012, 06:05:48 PM
;D My wife asked why I needed to buy the old reel if I was just going to upgrade all of the parts.
Compare it to her fixing her self up and tell her you like the old one too much to get another.
That's a great one Lee
X2....be careful old man, Mary is going to let you wear that reel as a permanent hat ;D ;D
Lee,
Look out or you'll wind up in a stainless steel "dog" house ;D
Couldn't help myself,
Dom
Quote from: john2244 on December 05, 2012, 05:37:46 PM
...and what the numbers were all about. He responded saying... the numbers are a batch number.
Odd. Seemed obvious to me that it says
Penn
113,
4.
0 ratio.
Otherwise, those look very nice. The increased helix angle changes the numbers somewhat (gear size becomes accordingly larger with an increase in helix angle) which lets them use 40 teeth to 10, probably with a larger module, instead of 48:12.
Seems like they've got a nice little business going there.
.
Yes, it is very obvious now. I just did not put it together, old age I guess. Thanks for pointing out the "obvious".
John
Today I decided to install these new gears from ebay, so I can check them out and decided to take a few pictures along the way:
On the right are the new parts for the upgrade
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/019-3.jpg)
here I'm showing the grinded area for the new dog. I took this idea from one of our member, Spirt 10 (thanks, Duane). If you want to take a closer look, it's on page 16, over by the "Penn 113H Reel/Tank"
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/014-5.jpg)
here are the new gears from ebay going in
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/007-6.jpg)
the tolerance is very tight with the pinion gear on the ss yoke. The main gear is also very tight on the ss sleeve.
We'll see how that goes, I might have to break it down again :-\.
I want to mention that whoever came up with the O-ring idea, new what he was doing, it makes the job so much easier
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/010-7.jpg)
here is a shot of the new dog installed
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/012-9.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/015-8.jpg)
I replaced the slotted screws with ss screws, so you don't end up with this mess, as someone else did here....breaks my heart
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/023-2.jpg)
I also placed one of these threads protector on the eccentric lever, no it does not interfere with the lever travel
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/018-3.jpg)
so you won't end up with this
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/016-5.jpg)
I also replaced the bearings, usind Aaron's latest bearing puller.
This tool is amazing, it is now fun to pull the bearings...thanks again Aaron.
One of the best design I've ever seen.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/025-1.jpg)
and here is the finished reel
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/032.jpg)
The free spool is great on this reel, the new gears feel a little stiff, but I'm sure they will get smoother and quieter with usage.
Enjoy!
Sal
Sal, you simply amaze me all the time!!!
Another awesome build. You set the bar high, Sal. Bob
Hey sal, what's up with that oring? Did it come with the gears? ...still haven't for my set yet :-\
As usual, thanks for the thorough explanation on how to double dog and on those aluminum side plates none the less. You've got some big marbles to take a grinder to those side plates.
PS- this winter I'm gonna do some double digging myself;)
Thanks pal,
Dom
Dom, it's time for you to take a chance, everyone else is doing it. By the way, did you notice the matching nail polish color? ;) snuck into my daughter room ;D.
I purchased that reel for $125, the spool had a lose ratchet. I contacted the seller and he kept saying that I needed to adjust the left bearing, we were having some communication problems. I finally gave up and told him that everything was good ;D. Still a good buy.
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 07, 2012, 09:49:49 PM
I purchased that reel for $125, the spool had a lose ratchet. I contacted the seller and he kept saying that I needed to adjust the left bearing, we were having some communication problems. I finally gave up and told him that everything was good ;D. Still a good buy.
Sal, your bargain hunting leaves the lady shopper way behind. ;D I want to do this to my Pro Gear 545 for alternating dogs, but haven't gotten up the courage to do it yet.
Sal, I noticed the gold color on the part of the sideplate you ground on. I was going to ask how you did it. My thought was also fingernail polish. You must be proud of your daughter buying polish to match your reels. ;D It won't hold up like the anodising but it shure looks fasionable. Bob
alto mare
you always make me miserable sal,why cant i do that ;D
Nice work Sal !!!
John
Another great job Sal.
Quote from: wallacewt on December 07, 2012, 10:30:44 PM
alto mare
you always make me miserable sal,why cant i do that ;D
Wallace: I feel sorry for you, no Italian blood ;D. Dominick
Great stuff Sal - another top-notch contribution.
Thanks for sharing.
Will look forward to a few stories of the golden 'Tank' in action ;) ;D
Cheers, Justin