Does anyone know if the following is available in SS?
Bridge plate for the 114H
Main gear for the 114H
Also this is probably a question more towards Lee. What is currently available in the dogs. I'm trying to double dog a 114H with the dogs not in sync. Alternating is what I'm trying to do. Is the second dog the same or is it say a dog for the 9/0? And finally...what bearings should I be updating to?
Bob
Hello Bob, we didn't get to the ss bridge plate yet, some of us don't think it's necessary. The ss gears are available, but you need to know where to look. Penn placed the ss gears in their 50th anniversay reels, the ones with the red spool. Unfortunatly that might not help you, a lot of guys swap the gears and sell the reels, so you never know what you'll get. Dom ( Broadway ) is trying to bring us the faster ss gears for the 6/0 and 4/0.
About the dogs, if you're looking for them to alternate, you will need two 15-114, if you need them to engage at the same time you will then need to mismatch as one 15-114 and one 15-115, you might still need to do a little filing.
Contact Lee for the dogs and he will send them right out
Here is the link of what we're talking about:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3077.msg19705#msg19705
Hi Bob,
Main gears are available in SS if you can find them. They were made by accurate. No Bridge. Regarding the dogs, you have to fine tune them by filing away a little from the second dog, and I'm using 6/0 dogs for both.
O.k. Got to get Lee to send more dogs. I screwed up my side plate by taking too much material from the cover...so now the bridge plate when tightened down mill bind up the extra dog. Guess I couldn't visualize what exactly needed to be taken off. Oh well, there will be a lot more mistakes on these reels in the future. I'm trying to double dog the following reels..112H,506,505,113H. Is this possible on all these models?? How about the squidders?. As far as the bearings...should I go with the stock Penn opened up and lubed with the TSI? Or should I go with the Boca or similar type. What do you guys recommend?? I. Feel as though I'm in these reels a lot and would like to get all the upgrades currently available done at one time or until someone starts triple dogging them..YIKES!!
Here is a 113h narrow I'm working on. Not sure I got it right, need to make a little more room for spring. Looks like the are going to hit at the same time which I guess is alright. Slow process for me as I'm not the greatest with the dremel.... Thanks Sal for the inspiration...
Good job Bill, just try to square off a little at the bottom. If the opening is too wide , wind two coil springs into each other and that should do it.
Thanks for sharing.
Sal
Bob, Like Sal said Penn made ss main gears for these reels for a few years. I believe Penn even had them under identical part numbers. I have found ss gears in the red spool aniversary reels. But like Sal said they could have been swapped over the years. I also recently got a ss main out of a 113h on ebay. One of the pictures showed the left sideplate off the reel and I spotted the gear in the photo. It went for 30.00 + 7.00 shipping. There were also older reels with steel gears that will rust. All of the ss gears are weakly magnetic due to changes in the metals structure when worked. Just try a strong magnet on a ss pinion if you don't believe me. The gears are there you just have to look and get lucky.
Bill, great job on thr 113h. I see the ebay main in that reel. I bought a set but it will probably be after Christmas before I will have the spare cash to finish the reel. Let us know how they work. Bob
Thanks for the info guy's. Years ago I was able to get the SS gears for my 113H through chark bait. I believe that they are the Newell gears. I will keep my eyes out for the set on the 114H through eBay. Is there any distinguishing feature I should look for on the gear to make sure it's not just steel? Or is it a crap shoot and I'm going to need to buy reels until I get the right set? Thanks again
Bob
Quote from: BMITCH on December 02, 2012, 05:24:01 PM
Does anyone know if the following is available in SS?
Bridge plate for the 114H
Main gear for the 114H
Also this is probably a question more towards Lee. What is currently available in the dogs. I'm trying to double dog a 114H with the dogs not in sync. Alternating is what I'm trying to do. Is the second dog the same or is it say a dog for the 9/0? And finally...what bearings should I be updating to?
Bob
One on ebay, goes off 11 hours,,, now 8:20 est...
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 03, 2012, 04:52:55 AM
Good job Bill, just try to square off a little at the bottom. If the opening is too wide , wind two coil springs into each other and that should do it.
Thanks for sharing.
Sal
Thanks Sal, did square after pic taken. Great tip on the two springs, because I made a small spring hole so it will be still when I put it back together and I think I will need the extra length. Waiting on parts to finish it up.
Thanks again.
Quote from: BMITCH on December 02, 2012, 06:51:00 PM
O.k. Got to get Lee to send more dogs. I screwed up my side plate by taking too much material from the cover...so now the bridge plate when tightened down mill bind up the extra dog.
Thiner dogs can be cut or you can remove material from the sides of the dog you have until you have clearance.
Quote from: BMITCH on December 02, 2012, 05:24:01 PM
What is currently available in the dogs.
I have dogs cut and proven for all Senator high speed reels and the large Senators, 15-200, 15-309 have been checked. 15-500, 15-140 and some other SS dogs have to be recut due to minor problems with my drawings, they are at the cutter today.
We all should thank Sal for providing me with a sample of most Penn dogs, thanks again Sal.
Quote from: BMITCH on December 02, 2012, 05:24:01 PM
Does anyone know if the following is available in SS?
Bridge plate for the 114H
Some of my older jigmasters and a surfmaster have stainless steel bridges. Does anyone know if Penn make s/s bridges for the 114H and others in the old days?
George
Are they SS or chromed brass? I have one in my parts pile but I'm reluctant to scratch it.
I have a 349 bridge drawn up but I want to have a shaft turned before I cut the bridge. I'm thinking a 114H gearsleeve with it's larger size and heavier shaft might be a good and easy upgrade for a 349/349H. I think 114H gears can be used but I don't know if a pinion can be found that fits, I have a useable 349H main gear I'd open up for the larger 114H gearsleeve.
Quote from: Keta on December 03, 2012, 05:56:54 PM
Are they SS or chromed brass?
I just took a second look and I'm not sure....
I have a few .045" 349 (not 349H) drag washers cut, do you know where I can get rid of them?
Quote from: Keta on December 03, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
I have a few .045" 349 (not 349H) drag washers cut, do you know where I can get rid of them?
Of course I know. ;) Do you need my address? ;D
Not now, they will be in the mail soon.
Thank you, Lee. You are the greatest!
Quote from: George4741 on December 03, 2012, 05:51:08 PM
Quote from: BMITCH on December 02, 2012, 05:24:01 PM
Does anyone know if the following is available in SS?
Bridge plate for the 114H
Some of my older jigmasters and a surfmaster have stainless steel bridges. Does anyone know if Penn make s/s bridges for the 114H and others in the old days?
George
I don't believe so. Those are chromed brass, just like the trap under your sink.
The older Jigmaster and Surfmaster Bridges are nickel plated brass,not stainless steel. Maybe the Chinese will eventually use stainless steel in their Jigmasters.
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 02, 2012, 05:57:14 PM
The ss gears are available, but you need to know where to look. Penn placed the ss gears in their 50th anniversay reels, the ones with the red spool.
Sal, You have mentioned Penn supplied ss gears several times. How does one identify them? Did Penn actually manufacture them, or acquire them from from someone else. I have a couple of main gears that "look different" than other steel gears, but they have the bronze center bushing Penn used. I have used a magnet. Was surprised to find that when magnet was used on known Newell gears, the attraction may be somewhat weaker, but not much difference. That test does not seem to be much help.
VW, there are a few guys here that know more about metal then I would ever learn, maybe they'll chime in. Today you would probably have a harder time finding steel gears than ss gears, the plain steel gears were in production in the very beginning. I have Accurate ss gears that are not magnetized, I also have Penn and Newell and they are, I believe it has to do with the mixture of metals that they used. About Penn gears, I know that they supplied them, but I can't tell you if they manufactured them....I wasn't there ;D. The bronze center bushing is an insulator to reduce noise.
Here is a shot that puzzled me , the larger gear is from an earlier 16/0 :
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2568.jpg)
This is after two weeks in the water, the cut nail was completely rusted :-\.
By the way, I just wanted to let you know that I haven't forgotten about the nice thing you did for me a while back, selling me the Accurate gears for $35. If you need anything, just let me know and I see what I can do.
Sal
Interesting test on thoses gears. Nice to actually see it. Does any one know if there is a SS or even steel pinion yoke available for the jimasters? The one I have is brass and needs to be replaced. I would like to get the best one possible. Bob
Quote from: BMITCH on December 05, 2012, 10:19:59 AM
Does any one know if there is a SS or even steel pinion yoke available for the jimasters? The one I have is brass and needs to be replaced. I would like to get the best one possible. Bob
Yes, SMOoOTH Drag has them for $4.00.
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 05, 2012, 09:40:23 AM
Here is a shot that puzzled me , the larger gear is from an earlier 16/0 :
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/Picture2568.jpg
This is after two weeks in the water, the cut nail was completely rusted :-\.
Sal
Do you know if, or believe that, the two Penn gears in pic are stainless? The gears I have are same color/hue, as known ss gears. They are very consistent in color on all surfaces, no mottling or variation, no signs of corrosion. One gear has seen some use with polished drag and teeth surfaces. Other gear has little/no use. They are obviously Penn gears with the bronze bushing. I did not know about Penn ss gears until reading it here. Wondering if I may have some.
Actually, I have several sets of steel gears. Most are used but have three sets that are NOS/unused. The gears I am wondering about seem to be "different".
I bet you do have some VW. The steel gears I've seen do look different than the ss ones. Penn did not mark the ss gears so I guess I believe it. SS can rust but not like steel. two of the reels I got them out of were from the mid 80's with lots of use and didn't show signs of regular maintenance and very little grease. The gears look much better than I would have expected a steel gear to. No real rust but some slight staining in places. Bob
Wouldn't Sal's water test be a good test for SS?? I know some SS is better than others for rusting but if it is reistant to rust (or more resistant to rust) than ordinary steel, wouldn't that be a good indication of stainless??
Tom, as I mentioned above, there are a few guys here that know more about steel than I would ever learn. I'm showing the picture only becauce I thought it was interesting, it is not to determine if it is a good test for ss.
I know that the larger gear is steel, that's why I posted the picture. Penn must have used a process with plain metal that made them hold up to the elements....for the most part. With that said, I have removed similar gears that were loaded with rust in the past :-\.
Here is something else that some wouldn't think it could happen, I have removed ss Newell gears that were loaded with rust :-\ .
Sal
Touch the gear to a grinder and look at the sparks.
I never found rust on or in the teeth of Newell Gears. I pick the teeth on the whole Gear Set when I do service. I find most of the rust inside the gear where the Stack goes. Mostly because of lack of TLC.
I just removed 2 sets of gears from Penn 501 & the gears were black. I know they are steel but no rust.
now this is interesting. on the flip side, we have all seen rusted examples of these old steel penn gears. we need steve carson here.
Yep, very interesting. I guess a metallurgic exam is the only way to know for sure. Am not going to do anything destructive for testing. Now that I know stainless gears were available, am going to assume these probably are.