Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Daiwa Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: FirePro911 on December 16, 2012, 06:08:08 AM

Title: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: FirePro911 on December 16, 2012, 06:08:08 AM
Here is the latest reel I just finished up. A 1973 Daiwa 4000c Spinning Reel that my Father gave me some time back. I used it once, but it was noisy so I put it away. Well recently after researching it, I found out the noise could be from the main bearing. So I have been wanting to use it again and tore it down for the rebuild. It came out great and is on a 1101 6.6 Medium Heavy Ugly Stick spooled with 65lb red braid waiting for the Redfish action.

Removed the skirt to reveal this. Looks like some heavy grease, maybe axle grease.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-1_zps1a26a854.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-2_zps87a7d81b.jpg)

The paint on it was also worn
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-3_zps96d618ef.jpg)

Removed the ball bearing retainer and then anti-reverse cam
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-4_zpsfdfbcdab.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-5_zps3d03f046.jpg)

Removed the gears and main shaft
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-6_zps42c6ea8c.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-7_zps767642d4.jpg)

Skirt and handle assembly
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-8_zpsad706bdd.jpg)

The clicker (Spool Click Claw) inside the skirt
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-9_zpsdb9d6bbf.jpg)

Once the Drag Knob was removed, it really got ugly
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-10_zps82371da6.jpg)

The bearing for the handle
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-11_zpsc3cd8d3f.jpg)

The name plate fell off, actually on both sides.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-12_zps8ea9a220.jpg)

Anti Reverse assembly
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-13_zps95e0569e.jpg)

Trying to remove main bearing. It was pretty much rusted in place, took some spraying of Corrosion X and wiggling to get it out.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-14_zpsa58e69ca.jpg)

This is called the Bearing Metal. It goes on the main body for the Handle Shaft to go through.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-15_zps538c3b24.jpg)

Finally got the Main Bearing removed. Here it is sitting back on the Worm Gear.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-16_zpsa49bc87b.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-17_zpsbd692611.jpg)

Handle Bearing was in pretty good shape still.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-18_zps4816fc7a.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-19_zpsfae100f7.jpg)

Both Main and Handle Bearings. You can see the Main Bearing is destroyed pretty much.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-21_zps60eb5c66.jpg)

Drag Washers
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-20_zpsda2c5887.jpg)

Rachet rusted up real good.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-22_zps50017c5e.jpg)

Inside Bail on Line Roller side
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-23_zps4f3ad8b6.jpg)

Disassembled Bail
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-24_zpseabd05e7.jpg)

Lead counterweight which is not shown on schematics. Located on opposite side on Line Roller.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-25_zpsdceeb4f6.jpg)

All the dirty parts, time to see what to replace.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-26_zps61b247c8.jpg)

Once I opened up Drag Knob, I knew I had to replace it. They sell it as a whole unit.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-27_zps8aa58303.jpg)

Removed retainer ring.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-28_zps71778610.jpg)

To see this mess.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-29_zpsf5ac946b.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-45_zpscee359ad.jpg)

Took the skirt first and removed clear coat to polish out the aluminum. I sanded it and then polished it, focusing on the top part where the line slides around during casting. It had some gouges and nicks that would have possibly frayed the line over time.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-30_zps223d702b.jpg)

Stainless Drag Washers are going to get sanded and polished also.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-31_zpsc84cc5ea.jpg)

Once I hit the body with Acetone to clean it, the paint came right off. The just shoot it silver at the factory with no clear coat. So I removed all paint and got it ready to shoot silver again.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-32_zpsbe68bf71.jpg)

First I shot Self Etching Primer on it.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-33_zps51239f3e.jpg)

Then a few coats of silver
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-34_zps6b7359bb.jpg)

Then shot it clear
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-36_zpsa9caa91a.jpg)

I used this product to clear the skirt was i was done sanding and polishing on it.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-35_zps1224273b.jpg)

Here are the replacement parts I ordered along with the old ones. The Drive Gear had worn down and broken teeth. I got everything from [http://www.fishingreelparts.com/]Dave's Parts & Service[/url].
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-37_zps1dc7f253.jpg)

The Main Shaft was badly pitted. I had polished it out to use at first, but decided to go with a new one.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-38_zpsa39fdcd6.jpg)

I ordered Soooth Drag CarbonTex Washers from Dawn. I had to measure my old ones as has never had someone request any for this reel. The drag washer setup is for reeling in a fish only, since when you cast a spinning reel, the spool does not spin. The white washers are made out of teflon and not sure about the black one, which was torn.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-39_zps7f52243c.jpg)

Everything polished, painted and ready to go.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-40_zpscef9e291.jpg)

Back together, made in Japan.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-41_zps65fd8159.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-42_zps33cefd4b.jpg)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-43_zps48d0bc05.jpg)

And with a 1975 Ad I picked up from eBay.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-44_zpsa140045b.jpg)
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: alantani on December 16, 2012, 08:35:13 AM
photo of the month!

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/daiwa-40_zpscef9e291.jpg)
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: Alto Mare on December 16, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
FirePro, that's a beautiful job you did on that reel, your father will be proud. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Sal

By the way, since we're on the Daiwa subject, I just found a new housing for the BG13 black and gold, mixed in with my penn parts. If anyone can use it, just let me know and I'll put it in the mail.
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: john2244 on December 16, 2012, 07:29:01 PM
Nice work !!
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: Bryan Young on December 16, 2012, 07:49:23 PM
Wow, bringing back an old buddy to fight another day.
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: Fish-aholic on December 16, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
What a restoration job, Firepro! You fully deserve the photo of the month! The old advertisement poster shot is awesome, too. Thank you!
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: FirePro911 on December 17, 2012, 02:42:32 AM
Thanks everyone!

Now to get started on the next one. Not sure yet which one it will be. I'm also wanting to fully restore a 1974 Eska 5hp outboard I have. Still researching it and its history as there are a ton of them out there. No tags or decals on it, plus someone painted the cowing white. It will be a fun project though.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/motor-6.jpg)
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: wallacewt on December 17, 2012, 03:00:29 AM
good stuff!
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: Cone on December 17, 2012, 04:01:39 AM
Nice restoration ready to go for another 40 years. Bob
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: saltydog on January 22, 2013, 08:52:08 PM
I just picked up one of these at a garage sale,nice tutorial.
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: Brendan on January 23, 2013, 01:56:12 AM
I can't believe that, great job. A clear case of better than new.
Tight Lines, Brendan.
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: Kayaker on January 25, 2013, 05:50:39 AM
Nice work, that reel looks familiar from my early fishing days!
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: FirePro911 on September 20, 2013, 02:52:28 PM
Ok, I am trying to locate a few parts for this reel. I have been fishing it a lot, inshore and offshore. I use it offshore with a sabiki setup to catch bait at the rigs while we are headed out. Also intend to try and land a tuna with it this October when we head out.

I have located the Bail assembly with a roller, but am having a hard time locating a handle assembly as it is obsolete. Once I locate and buy the handle, I want to put a round power knob on it also from Smoooth Drag.

You can see the handle here and how corroded it gets. I can polish it up, but it is still rough.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/FirePro911004/daiwahandle_zps3ea632ea.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/FirePro911/media/FirePro911004/daiwahandle_zps3ea632ea.jpg.html)

If anyone has one or knows where I might get one, it would be appreciated. Thanks!
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: redsetta on September 20, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
QuoteFirePro, that's a beautiful job you did on that reel, your father will be proud. Thanks for sharing it with us.
That about sums it up - thanks Sal  ;) ;D
Nice work once again FP.
Love the stroker outboard, too - built a few track bike strokers meself.
Let me know if you run into any quandaries on the restoration ;)
Good luck, Justin
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: Ron Jones on September 20, 2013, 06:43:05 PM
Thanks for this. I have my grandfathers little brother of that reel and was looking for a rebuild procedure. Good luck with the handle search.

Ron
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: nelz on September 20, 2013, 07:54:36 PM
Awesome job FirePro911! Hey, do you recommend using that ProtectaClear stuff on spools?
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: FirePro911 on September 20, 2013, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: nelz on September 20, 2013, 07:54:36 PM
Awesome job FirePro911! Hey, do you recommend using that ProtectaClear stuff on spools?
Oh yea, I recommend it. Once dried and cured, it is hard and smooth and the line cannot scratch or cut into it.

I just picked up this handle from a local shop.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t141/FirePro911/FirePro911007/daiwahandlenew_zpsc34be8cd.jpg) (http://s159.photobucket.com/user/FirePro911/media/FirePro911007/daiwahandlenew_zpsc34be8cd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: Ron Jones on September 20, 2013, 10:09:24 PM
My cousin had a small Diawa spinner when I was a kid with that handle, I always loved it.

Ron
Title: Re: Daiwa 4000c 1973 restored
Post by: surfcaster on September 20, 2013, 11:17:28 PM
Nice!