I was checking out some gears and realized that the main gear from the Baja Special is magnetized. Did Penn do this for castability?
Here are some shots from the Baja's gears and the Senator 117. I read somewhere that the Baja's max drag is at 35lb, the same as the 117:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/001-9.jpg)
On the left I have the pinion from the 117, the dot on the right is the pinion from the Baja
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/003-13.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/004-13.jpg)
The main gears
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/007-8.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/006-8.jpg)
Here I'm picking up the main gear from the baja with the pinion gear from the 117
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/008-10.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/011-7.jpg)
Sal
Sal, The magnetic properties of stainless are not absolute. Even the autenistic grades may only be non magnetic in their soft or annealed states. It all depends on the composition of the stainless and cold working some of these steels can change things. There is a lot of info available online. I don't know what grades of stainless Penn uses. If it is a ss that is hardend then that can make it magnetic. SS will never be a good magnetic material compared to others however. Here is some info: http://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=1140 and http://www.corrosionist.com/magnetic_response_stainless_steel.htm Bob
That pinion is huge!
I'd be very surprised if the Baja's pinion could withstand a sustained 35lb drag.
Yes Bob, I just remembered that you've mentioned it before. Thanks buddy.
Lee, that pinion is huge, it's heavier than the main and pinion. Every time I look at the gears, I wonder who comes up with those numbers.
Quote from: George4741 on January 03, 2013, 02:12:27 AM
I'd be very surprised if the Baja's pinion could withstand a sustained 35lb drag.
That make two of us Gearge.
Over at BD they're mentioning that the Baja is a good 40# to 50 # reel :-\
Some of this stuff just doesn't make sense to me, but it might just be me.
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 03, 2013, 02:36:33 AM
Over at BD they're mentioning that the Baja is a good 40# to 50 # reel :-\
Some of this stuff just doesn't make sense to me, but it might just be me.
I hope they mean 40-50# mono or spectra with a drag setting of about 1/3rd of that.
You're right George, the discussion is about 40#/50# test line, I did hear some loading it with 100#.
Sal,
Without a complete annealing treatment, stainless will never have zero magnetism.
I don't believe the pinion of the Baja can take what the 14/0's pinion can take, but I can't speak from experience.
Dom
Hi Sal
How does the pinion of a 113h compare in size to the Bajas pinion
No Sal Penn lists the drag at 27 lbs
Here is the link to the Baja Special I listed in the other post.
http://www.pennreels.com/products/reels/conventional-reels/star-drag-reels/baja-special
I'm getting 28 lbs on mine with the drag set to "stupid tight".
Hey Sal, maybe they magnitize the gear so that when it shreds all the metal will be in one pile for easy removal. He He ..... Rudy
Quote from: SoCalAngler on January 03, 2013, 05:30:44 AM
No Sal Penn lists the drag at 27 lbs
Here is the link to the Baja Special I listed in the other post.
http://www.pennreels.com/products/reels/conventional-reels/star-drag-reels/baja-special
I'm getting 28 lbs on mine with the drag set to "stupid tight".
Thanks SocalAngler, yes I do know that it is rated at 27lb and yes I'm also aware that some load them up with 80#/100# and pull fish well over 200# with it.
I wanted to compare its gears to the gears from the 117, simply because I'm puzzled.
Take a closer look at those gears from the 117, the ID on the pinion is 10x larger. the pinion from the Baja can almost slide into the 117 pinion. I'm trying to figure out how they came up with 35# for the 117, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Sal
Quote from: basto on January 03, 2013, 05:05:44 AM
Hi Sal
How does the pinion of a 113h compare in size to the Bajas pinion
I took a couple of shots, Basto. The ones on the right are similar to the gears in the Tank, almost the same ratio as the Bajas
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/001-10.jpg)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/003-14.jpg)
Sal
Interesting topic. What impact does the quality of material have? There are so many grades of metal and treatments. Do the Bajas fail? If not then there is no problem. If you look at the big fish that gets caught with the smaller jigging reels then it does seem like modern materials are going a long way to allow the use of smaller reels. Also the very big 17/0 may have a drag of 35lb when it is full but it must be able to withstand a very big increase in drag as it empties when a fish takes line, surely more so than a smaller reel? Look how rifles have evolved from old blunder busses to highly compact high powered assault rifles of today that can digest thousands of rounds at startling velocities and pressures, all because of improvements in materials and manufacturing.
Quote from: CapeFish on January 03, 2013, 01:40:46 PM
Interesting topic. What impact does the quality of material have?
A big impact. We built a large ramp for a barge out of T-1 steel that was considerably lighter than all the low carbon steel ramps around. Everyone said it would not work...it did work well and much better than the low carbon steel ones. Brass is not that good, add tin to the brass and you have a much better gear material, bronze. I don't like gears made out of most SS alloys due to galling but the metal I prefer, inconel, is epensive and hard to machine.
Agree with Lee. Differences in material, esp. in terms of comparing low carbon and other higher carbon an alloy steels, it can be a night and day difference. Considering that the gears are assumed to be made in fairly recent times, it's unlikely that the materials would differ so much as to make a substantial difference in performance. That is to say that if the same size gears were to be compared if made with the two different materials shown in the samples, there would likely not be a 100% difference in strength of any kind (e.g., yield, compression, tensile, etc). Yes, it's conceivable that hardness could be very different, but again, it's unlikely because both are being made for the same purpose.
In other words, I'd prefer to take my chances against a 4' tall pro wrestler than one of those 7' monsters. Pound for pound they may be just as strong, but more muscle and meat means more strength.
Sal, if it doesn't make sense to you, it's probably nonsense.
Hi Sal
Thanks very much for your reply and the photos. Very interesting.I noticed my Penn Torque has the same brownish coloured pinion as the Baja`s. I think it is from heat treating for hardness.
yeah, someone asked about that before. the off-colored stainless steel was the result of being heat-treated!