I am in the process of making narrow 259,or a 1/0 if you will. I got a 259,and 501 on E bay.along with some newell parts. While I was building my new real, I come to find out that the bridge shaft on the 259 is only 3/16,not 7/32 like on the Jigmasters. I don't want to use the brass gear sleeve. Does anyone know if a 3/16 I.D. holed S.S. gearsleeve exists?
The 98-60 AT coarse tooth should do just fine on those.
I checked the drop down menu On Scotts web page and the 259 was not there. I have one of Allen's 98/505 and it has about .030 worth of slop.
No, Scott doesn't list it. You basically have a jigmaster sleeve. The 3-99 is similar to the sleeve on the 112H, 1/0 ,jigmasters and a few more. There is a possability that the post on your bridge Changed along the way, if that's the case, I can't help you.
I believe the 98-505 has fine tooth, you're looking for coarse tooth.
Here is the info for the 98-60AT:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-60AT.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Custom/98-60AT.aspx)
It's not showing the 259 (3-99) bridge.
I just checked the sleeve on the 3-99, 3-500 and 112H, they're all identical :-\
Sal
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
thanks for checking Sal, I must have a older 259. There are no part #'s on the bridge,or sleeve,or yoke.
Twopatch,
You may have to get a newer bridge with the proper diameter shaft. Check with reelygone.com. He has a 3-99 bridge that might be one of the newer ones.
George,I e-mailed Dan ,He said that he will check for me on Friday. In the mean time,I borrowed another 259 and I tore it down, It was the same size shaft size .187 ,3/16. This one had part #s 3-99 so it was a newer model then the one that I got on Ebay. ???I guess i will wait and see what Dan has to say.
I just measured the bridge post in my 99 Silverbeach and it is also .187". Hopefully Dan's 3-99 bridge has the larger shaft. Keep us informed.
Mine measures .205", same as everything else I measured.
My 200 surfmaster also had a .187" diameter shaft, but luckily I was able to replace the bridge with one from a 155. There are a few of those older bridges with the smaller shaft out there. :(
My 100, 150 and 200s all have the larger shaft, my 60 has the smaller one.
I have a few bridges from various reels, without the sleeve, all are .205".
George, very interesting that you were able to replace the bridge fro a 155. My 200 bridge plate holes don't line up with the holes on the 155 plate :-\. I've also tried to install a 3-155 on a surfmaster...no luck. The holes are very close but not the same.
Alan, I see you're checking in, I want to mention that the ss sleeves are lose even on the .205. Probably a good idea to mention it to the machinist.
Sal
I would like to thank eveyone for their imput.I am wondering if I should have started with a 1/0? I would think that there are some small shaft 1/0's out there,being that it has a 3-99 bridge.
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 30, 2013, 04:54:42 AM
George, very interesting that you were able to replace the bridge fro a 155. My 200 bridge plate holes don't line up with the holes on the 155 plate :-\. I've also tried to install a 3-155 on a surfmaster...no luck. The holes are very close but not the same.
Yes, I have an unusual surfmaster with a -155 bridge and main gear. I mentioned it in an older post below:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=5765.0
I went over this with someone here a couple months ago. My 180 has the smaller shaft, I am running the jigmaster sleeve with no issues. I guess if you are planning on really stressing the reel you will want the larger post.
Ron
Ron, it's nice that it is working out for you, I do have the larger post and still get too much movement. I'm not crazy about it and I mentiomed it to Alan, the (4) sleeves that I received about 4 month ago are all too lose. I'm worried the gears might strip. I hope they'll make them tighter in the future.
Sal
sal, were they plain stainless steel or did they have brass inserts?
Alan, this is the first I hear of the brass inserts. All of my sleeves that you've been sending me never had one, even the 6/0's.
Were others experiencing the same as me with those?
Sal
By the way, the 98-114's are not too bad.
Alan,
I haven't heard of the brass inserts either, but I've got a couple loose ones' as well. Is the brass insert the solution? I didn't mention anything because I assumed it was okay and would align properly once it was all together again. :-\
Thanks,
Dom
Dom, how much slop do you have? You will never get zero movement with any sleeve, all bridge and sleeve that came through my hands had a little slop, this is normal. This particular one, the 98-60 is a little more than usual, I would say double. Still, we talking little movement.
I don't have any issues with the 98-114, they are great and the 98-113 are just as good.
Sal
there have been several different runs. the gear sleeves with the brass inserts were a big oops on the part of the machine shop and none of them were ever shipped. but they were really loose and that's why they had to be fixed in this manner. this is the first i've heard of any more wobble. guys, send me pm's with your addresses and let me send out some replacements for you to play with.
you have the 98-60's, right?
The ones with the brass insert should run smoother on a SS shaft than SS on SS, do you have any left?
not sure, but i should have enough. let me know.......
I will have to check again. The were 98-113, and I will compare them to past sleeves I've gotten from Alan. I received 2 from electra-mate that were too tight out of a batch of 6 (1 or 2 years ago). It happens I guess.
Keep yas posted when I get a chance to tinker next ;)
Dom
Alan, I checked again and could only find (2) that are lose. I did get (4) from you at once, but I think those were 98-113.
Don't worry about sending anything to me, I will experiment with these, unless you need me to send them to you for the machinist.
I wanted to mention it so the machinist can make adjustments.
One day I will post a shot of all the parts that I've messed up, by experimenting ;D.
Just to recap, my 98-113 and 98-114 are fine, the 98-60 that you sent me before these bad ones were also fine :-\.
These are the last ones that I got from you, sorry I can't remember the date.
Does the machinist need a bridge so he can test the first one?
The brass inserts are a great idea, Penn has been using those as isulators on gears to quiet them down.
By the way Alan, I'm getting ready to place another order for the 98-60, please let me know if they're available, I just hope they're not the same ones as these lose ones ;D .
Do you use the same machinist? The last 98-114 were amazing.....great craftsmanship!
Sal
"The brass inserts are a great idea, Penn has been using those as isulators on gears to quiet them down."
So, that's why they use them... wonder why Newell didn't throw an insert in... they are loud. :-\
PS- I still have an old 113 that neither hole lines up for the pin last year, but like a real genius I put it with the rest of the ss sleeves and will have to try them all if my eyes can't see the difference. These sleeves are a saving grace to many of us... I'm not knocking them... I love them but oopsy's happen in every business ;)
Thanks,
Dom
I have a coffee can full of SS scrap from my "oopsy's"!
Dom, I have a 6/0 ss sleeve that you couldn't put the pin in. The pin would go in part way and bind up the sleeve. I talked to Alan and Sal got one that did the same. Sal filed the bottom of his sleeve. I filed a flat on the top of the pin and it works great now. No slop. Maybe something similar would work with yours. Bob
Thanks for the advice... In gonna try one of them.
Thanks,
Dom
Twopatch and George, I was checking a few bridges that I have and wouldn't you know it, I found one from the earlier models.
Now I see what you're talking about:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/parsts%20an%20such/001-1.jpg)
Does the top of yours post look the same as mine?
That,s the one Sal.It looks like there are a few of these "skinny"posts out there.
Sal,
Are you referring to the shallow hole machined in the top of the left bridge post? One of my skinny posts is flat on top and the other has a hole. They are .187 inch diameter.
Yes George, I did see that yours didn't have it, twopatch did.
I also noticed that some of my 109 have that same hole on top, I'm wondering why they did it on some and not the others, I'm also wondering what was the reason :-\
yeah, my gear sleeves will not fit the post on the right. is that what you guys have?
Alan, the one on the left is rare. I believe your sleeve was made for the one on the right, that one is the same as the rest, up to the 3/0.
so, is this why the gear sleeves you have are so loose, or is it the gear sleeve itself. i checked the ones i had and they are all fine. but if anyone has a gear sleeve that is too loose on a new style bridge, i will be happy to replace it. just send me an e-mail with your address. it's getting hard to keep track of stuff again.
It is the gear sleeve itself, but I'm not worried about it. As I said in my previous posts, I only wanted to mention it so the machinist can make adjustments.
Guys maybe the thinner post in not that rare after all :-\
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/parsts%20an%20such/002-2.jpg)
I just got this one in the mail.
You want to hear something funny? The spool on this reel is chipped on one side, I told the seller about it and he said he couldn't do anything about it because a took it apart.
All I did was to turn the thumb screw and remove the plate, so i could inspect the reel.
That moron said that it was still considered taking it apart....there is always one ::)
The good news is that doesn't happen very often, but it does happen. Happened to me last year, and I took a picture of the reel with a frozen pinion, cracked side plates... Yes two! And a few more things. Needless to say I got the same response... How do I know you didn't damage the reel from opening it. Needless to say nothing was done. If he only knew that you're Penns secret weapon;)
Dom
I checked my early 60 and it has the smaller shaft.
be nice, guys. we were all there once, too! so, sal, the photo you show has a narrow post. my gear sleeves don't fit those.
guys, are these the ones you having trouble with? if so, you will have to get a new bridge.
Alan, I don't blame you for being confused...welcome to the club ;D ;D. In the beginning of this thread, Twopatch mentioned if there were ss sleeves available, that would fit the narrower post from the earlier bridge plate. I don't believe you ever made those available.
I also mentioned that the ss sleeve is also lose on a couple of my standard posts, the 0.205". So this is where we're at.
I only have two that are a little wobbly on my reels, I'm not worried about it, I will work with it.
If no one else is having the same issue that I mentioned above, then everything is fine and we'll move on.
Sal
So, for those of us who want to use a ss gear sleeve on a 3-99 bridge, and the bridge post is the smaller diameter, the only known source for a 3-99 bridge is reelygone.com. And we're not sure if his has the larger post.
Twopatch, any word from Dan? If he has more than one 3-99 bridge, then I'll order one, too.
George
it is possible to machine a post that can be held in by a screw. that means drilling out the old post. we had to do that a while back. we are talking about more machine shop time.
George , Dan said he has 1 new one left. I will ask him if he has any used ones.
Quote from: alantani on February 02, 2013, 04:24:19 AM
it is possible to machine a post that can be held in by a screw. that means drilling out the old post. we had to do that a while back. we are talking about more machine shop time.
Bridge plates are flat and can be cut, I have a 99 plate drawn up now. The shaft can be pressed in and TIG welded to the back.
Lee,thats cool! How many are you going to make?
I'm saving my pennies for a TIG welder.
Quote from: alantani on February 02, 2013, 04:24:19 AM
it is possible to machine a post that can be held in by a screw. that means drilling out the old post. we had to do that a while back. we are talking about more machine shop time.
I'm seeing more and more of these smaller posts, maybe because of George and Twopatch...they got me looking ;D.
Alan, wouldn't it be easier if the machinist could make a run of these? What would be the least he could make? I wouldn't mind having some on the side, for when I need them. I don't believe they're any weaker than the thicker posts, they're the same at the base, that's where most of the stress would be. Just a thought :-\
George, have you noticed the metal post in the older plate, by the dog spring? They don't make them like they used to :-\.
I've been fixing the Squidders the same way (great minds think alike) ::)... ;D
Alan, do you have four of these 98-60AT coarse thread sleeves available?
got a bunch. you want the ones with the brass sleeves, right? send a pm with your address and remind me which ones again.
I got a used bridge from Dan,Really-gone. He also sent me a new one. I put the two of them together and they were slightly different. The new one has a part # stamped up side down,so it is acctually a 3-66. I can see how it got mixed up. I am waiting for a responce from Dan. The S.S. 98-505 fits perfectly,This narrow 259 is comming together nicely. I will try to post a photo soon.
yeah, i checked and did not have any bridges of that size.