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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: redsetta on February 10, 2013, 07:43:08 AM

Title: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: redsetta on February 10, 2013, 07:43:08 AM
From Tom (Irish Jigger):

Here's another take on the S/S double dogs, this time in alternating format in the 112H.

The reason for the alternating dogs is to reduce handle slop, especially when using the Penn 24-56 power handle.

Pic one: Minimum cutout leaving sufficient material for bridge support.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/20/3590_07_08_17_4_51_46_2082145.jpeg)

Pic two: 2mm stainless steel dogs with retaining pins to assist in locating/supporting springs.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/20/3590_07_08_17_4_51_46_208231407.jpeg)

Pic three: Sub assembly. Note the custom dogs - the left dog is slightly longer than the right dog to allow for alternating engagement.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/20/3590_07_08_17_4_51_46_20822701.jpeg)

Pic four: Assembly showing the right dog protruding slightly beyond bridge.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/20/3590_07_08_17_4_51_45_20820441.jpeg)
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: Bryan Young on February 10, 2013, 08:18:42 AM
Holy cow, that's awesome.
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: redsetta on February 10, 2013, 08:38:01 AM
I agree - great work Tom.
Meticulous and finely crafted.
Thanks for sharing.
Cheers, Justin
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: Alto Mare on February 10, 2013, 11:15:35 AM
Very interesting Tom, that's what it's all about...keep improving.
I really like the design ;).
I'm not criticizing you or anything like that, I enjoy everything you bring to the table. It might be a good idea to leave a little more meat at the area where the new coil spring rests. This is a small adjustment, I just don't think that removing axcessive material there is necessary. Here is a shot of what I'm talking about:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/parsts%20an%20such/Alternating_dogs-three_zpsb6ebac8f.jpg)
Thanks for bringing it to us Tom.
Sal
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: Irish Jigger on February 10, 2013, 11:47:07 AM
Quite right Sal. I realised that after making the cut out.  With hindsight I could have left more material in that area and still had room for a longer spring location slot. I am happy with it as there is very little load on that particular spring. 
There's always room for improvement,the next one will be different.

Justin,many thanks for downloading this,still trying! ;D
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: Cone on February 10, 2013, 03:45:36 PM
Very nice job. The dogs look great. Bob
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: Keta on February 10, 2013, 04:28:06 PM
NICE!
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: George4741 on February 10, 2013, 05:51:52 PM
I LIKE IT! 
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: erikpowell on February 10, 2013, 10:33:40 PM
"Who let the dogs out?"......
Nice work Tom!
Ok, I'm inspired !  i think it's about time for me to give this a shot on my 112h,113h, and 500
I have a question for you Double Doggers...
Are you reusing the same bridge screws and original dog and just adding a new dog, or swapping the old one out for a different shape?
and.. who can supply those dogs & springs? 
Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: UK Ron on February 10, 2013, 11:17:38 PM
Nice job Tom.
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: Irish Jigger on February 11, 2013, 12:32:42 AM
Thank's guys for your nice comments.

Erikpowell, for simultaneous double dogging  Jigmasters or Special Senators the original dogs,springs and bridge screws will suffice. You may have to adjust the length of one dog to achieve simultaneous engagement.

Lee (Keta) can supply stainless steel dogs for most of these Penn's.
Sal (Alto Mare) can advise re leaf springs for the  112H and 113H.

As these reels are man enough for anything I am likely to catch I only need alternating dogs to reduce handle slop and had to shorten one standard size dog on the Jigmaster to achieve this.

The 112H  modification necessitated  making new dogs in order to have them reacting directly in line with the bridge screws and again one has to be shorter than the other.

Like Lee I make mine from 14swg (2mm) stainless steel offcuts.





Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: saltydog on February 11, 2013, 12:34:56 AM
Very nice job.
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: SNAPPERHEAD on February 14, 2013, 10:27:29 PM
Very nice! By chance was kind of Stainless Steel are those dogs made out of? Also are you going to upgrade the sleeve to stainless as well?

SNAPPEHEAD
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: Keta on February 14, 2013, 10:58:39 PM
Mine are 308 and 316.
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: Irish Jigger on February 15, 2013, 12:02:51 AM
 Hi SNAPPERHEAD,they are 316. I have considered a ss Sleeve but as the reel is never overloaded I may just stay with the brass Sleeve. I agree with Lee's take on this one that brass running on a ss  Bridge shaft is preferable to ss on ss.
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: slgriffiths on February 15, 2013, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: Irish Jigger on February 15, 2013, 12:02:51 AM
Hi SNAPPERHEAD,they are 316. I have considered a ss Sleeve but as the reel is never overloaded I may just stay with the brass Sleeve. I agree with Lee's take on this one that brass running on a ss  Bridge shaft is preferable to ss on ss.

I understand where you both are coming from on this - one softer, preferably self-lubricating type metal on another harder one.  But these are fishing reels, and while we love them, and want to do whatever we can to improve them, realistically the sleeves and shafts are running at very, very slow speeds (relative to most machinery) and at very, very low pressures given the surface areas involved- surely a little lubrication (grease)and SS on SS will last without significant wear for more years than most of us get to fish!
The advantage of a SS gear sleeve to me is the ability to withstand rounding off by the handle, not the ability to withstand wear. 
Has anyone ever seen a gear sleeve worn out on the bridge shaft?

Simon.
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: Bryan Young on February 15, 2013, 11:33:05 AM
Hi Simon,

I have yet to see the gear sleeve wear at the bridge area, but have replace a lot of dogs.

Bryan
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: BMITCH on February 15, 2013, 12:05:00 PM
Simon, seen my share of brass ones rounded off at the handle area though. I agree that the main reason I replace them is to avoid this handle failure.
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: Irish Jigger on February 15, 2013, 01:50:21 PM
You've got me thinking guys,maybe it's time to move on and fit stainless steel sleeves to my Penn's.  Should be ok provided they are well lubricated as suggested.
Over half the reels I repair need replacement sleeves where the sleeve, and sometimes the handle have both become damaged.
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: buitrechico on February 16, 2013, 02:43:57 PM
Very nice work Tom! I like it. There are a lot of new reels with special alloys,latest technology,light weights and everything you want (very expensive price also),but the "classics" old Penn still remain through the time (upgraded or not) .



                                                                                                                                         Richard

:o Hey fellas,this  Irish guy from Bangor is becoming pretty popular for his nice works,isn't he?
Title: Re: Penn 112H - Double alternating dogs
Post by: saltydog on February 16, 2013, 02:59:21 PM
All of my Penns have upgraded sleeves and dogs once I aquire one,haven't seen any problems from them or others I have repaired.It is one of the best mods you can do other than adding a solid frame and other bling.