Do I really need to use tape before starting to spool Power Pro ? I really hate to use up the space and I plan on putting it on with 10 lbs of drag.Also if I use more than 10 lbs of drag do I risk damaging my spool.The reel is old school 9/0 penn w/ heavy brass and chrome spool- spooling w/100lb.
Yes, you really do need tape. Just a couple wraps won't take up much room at all. I suspect you'll be able to get somehting like 1000 yrds of 100# spectra on that reel. And no, you won't ruin an old 9/0 with Power Pro.
The other option, and IMO the better option, being tie on a layer or two of mono tied into your PP.
Mono works too. And with a reel the size of a 9/0, it might be a good,and money-saving option to wind on 50 or 100 yards of 80# mono before the Power Pro.
On some reels I use a Flexx Rap type of tape. On others I double wrap the spectra around the spool then tie a San Diego knot to secure the line. Make sure to take note on which way the line will come off the spool when making your doudle wrap and tying your knot. When done right the knot will tighten down onto the spectra wrapped around the spool and with the more force applied the double wrap with grip the spool tighter and tighter and you won't need to use tape.
Thanks for the info--I got the reel spooled i layed down about 50 yards of 80 berkly big game then 300 yards of power pro and topped off with 200 yards 80 lb again.I think I got 550 yards on that reel.I have 2 more to go.I started the power Pro with 9 lbs of drag for a few hundred feet the spool was so tight (the line being spooled) that I backed off to about 3 lbs and the line went on fine-nice and tight.I dont see the big fuss over 30 % of line strength for the spooling drag pressure.Even 10 lbs seemed overkill to me.I actually my have gotten more line than I think--I was using some cheap line counter that kept screwing up--very cheap crap ! Anybody know where to get a good line counter that works?Thanks again for the good info.
If spectra is too loose on the spool, when you put a lot of drag pressure on the line it will dig in and bury itself in the top layers. This will break you off. It should feel like a rock on the spool. Bob
Doesn't that reel have a pinned spool? If it is, just tie on the pin and no worries.
Quote from: Redfish King on February 24, 2013, 12:10:41 AM
Thanks for the info--I got the reel spooled i layed down about 50 yards of 80 berkly big game then 300 yards of power pro and topped off with 200 yards 80 lb again.I think I got 550 yards on that reel.I have 2 more to go.I started the power Pro with 9 lbs of drag for a few hundred feet the spool was so tight (the line being spooled) that I backed off to about 3 lbs and the line went on fine-nice and tight.I dont see the big fuss over 30 % of line strength for the spooling drag pressure.Even 10 lbs seemed overkill to me.I actually my have gotten more line than I think--I was using some cheap line counter that kept screwing up--very cheap crap ! Anybody know where to get a good line counter that works?Thanks again for the good info.
Check the web most of the good counters that are used on line winding machines run around $80-$100 USD. Gary Sato sells one on his website, just scroll down a little and you will see it.
http://satocrimpandwinder.com/linewinder.htm
Quote from: Redfish King on February 24, 2013, 12:10:41 AM
Thanks for the info--I got the reel spooled i layed down about 50 yards of 80 berkly big game then 300 yards of power pro and topped off with 200 yards 80 lb again.I think I got 550 yards on that reel.I have 2 more to go.I started the power Pro with 9 lbs of drag for a few hundred feet the spool was so tight (the line being spooled) that I backed off to about 3 lbs and the line went on fine-nice and tight.I dont see the big fuss over 30 % of line strength for the spooling drag pressure.Even 10 lbs seemed overkill to me.I actually my have gotten more line than I think--I was using some cheap line counter that kept screwing up--very cheap crap ! Anybody know where to get a good line counter that works?Thanks again for the good info.
I have a 'Ryobi A/D checker' that I bought in the 90's. It's the only one that has stood up to heavy use over time....
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You do not need any backing nor tape to spool on superlines. Go to youtube and check out Jose Wiebe's channel. Mono absorbs water, stays wet, leads to corrosion of your spool since it is covered by the superline and not allowed to dry properly. Tape also can trap water. Watch how Wiebe does it, its simple and it works 100% of the time, Ive done it on a dozen reels. Simply wrap the line around the spools arbor 5 times then tie a uni knot.
Quote from: Redfish King on February 23, 2013, 05:03:25 PM
..... I really hate to use up the space.....
Depending on the spool size you are only loosing 20'-30' of line. Flex Wrap compresses to much thinner than the thickness of the line you are using.
In the UK there are very few professional spooling services (none that I have found trustworthy). Particularly with braid I use a simple home made jig:
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I wind the line onto one reel. Then set the drag (depends on breaking strain - usually about 10lbs for approx 30-50 spectra). Clip the chosen reel onto the other end of the plank. Then wind on the line, as tightly as possible, with the chosen drag setting. It takes time but it's foolproof. I now need to find a motor and handle system to do it for me :D. My chosen method of stopping braid from slipping is to bind a couple of layers of self-almagamating tape (E-Z Fuse tape in the US) to the spool. This tape is incredibly flexible and remains pliable for years (it's also completely waterproof)! Then 3 turns around the spool and finish with an arbor knot (leave a long tag end for extra security).
i use tape or flex wrap. not needed if there is a pin, but i always use something routinely. it will certainly not hurt.
The 3M Scotch 23 works well for me. After 2 layer of the tape, I generally coat the spool with a thin layer of silicon grease.
Waxed spool with pure carnuba wax. then 2 layers of flexwrap bandage, then 2 wraps of double line created by bimini twist knot to single line for spooling.
Quote from: Jimmer on February 24, 2013, 01:18:42 AM
Doesn't that reel have a pinned spool? If it is, just tie on the pin and no worries.
Even if a spool has a pin, I won't tie off to it because I have no idea how well the pin is anchored.
I will make a loop or two around the spool and then tie the arbor knot. I slide the loops over next to the pin and tighten the line real good. Then as I start to spool line on I'll put the running line (from the source spool) on the other side of the pin, it catches, and the results are no slippage. The line is still anchored around the spool and I don't use the pin for anything other than a way to start the line winding.
When I load braid on I almost always use mono as my base wraps. I've spooled a few reels using Jerry Brown's method of laying the tail from the tie-off knot across the arbor and wrapping the braid tight over it in nice, even, side-by-side wraps. Once the first layer is on the arbor, I trim the excess tail and load the spool with about 6-8 pounds of drag. No issues yet.
If you're using mono, it doesn't really matter what kind of knot you tie. Once you get ten or so turns on it that line won't slip. Then you can tie on your braid, again, with whatever knot you like. If you have a fish dump however many hundreds of yards of line off your spool and it takes you to the bare spool, chances are you're not going to catch that fish anyway, no matter what knot you tied. Either he's going to snap the line or your rod (and possibly you with it) is going in the water. ;D
Rather tie proper knots so the chances are higher of your leader knot breaking instead of the line breaking on the spool and you end up losing all your line.
You really ought to try avoiding using backing filler like I said before. There is just no need. Tape and mono will trap water and the salt will corrode your spool. Just 5 or 6 wraps and then uni knot it, check out Jose Weibe's video on it on youtube. More expensive line wise but cheaper than a new spool.
Not if you use flexwrap (sportwrap, vetwrap) it's waterproof. I've seen several "drag failures" caused by improperly filled spools.
As for tape and mono holding water, spectra does it far more then either.
I prefer 20'-30' of Dacron.
Quote from: Keta on July 09, 2013, 02:07:59 PM
Not if you use flexwrap (sportwrap, vetwrap) it's waterproof. I've seen several "drag failures" caused by improperly filled spools.
As for tape and mono holding water, spectra does it far more then either.
I prefer 20'-30' of Dacron.
Didn't Penn instructions used to indicate dacron backing when spooling mono? I remember that on the first conventional reel I bought new. It was a 309, in 1975.
I still have dacron backing on nearly all of my reels, even the ambassadors. I guess I'm kind of strange. 8)
Quote from: floating doc on September 01, 2013, 12:49:53 PM
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I still have dacron backing on nearly all of my reels, even the ambassadors. I guess I'm kind of strange. 8)
Me too.
Either Dacron or electric tape, soak your line in FRESH water overnight, then pack it on with atleast 10lbs of drag. I use more, and wax the spool. And trash the PP, it sucks for big stuff. Breaks to easy under 200lb. The braid will dry and shrink making it solid to the spool.
Quote from: Bunnlevel Sharker on September 01, 2013, 05:38:09 PM
Either Dacron or electric tape, soak your line in FRESH water overnight, then pack it on with atleast 10lbs of drag. I use more, and wax the spool. And trash the PP, it sucks for big stuff. Breaks to easy under 200lb. The braid will dry and shrink making it solid to the spool.
Trash the PP? What braid would you advise using? I'm going to be spooling a jigging reel in a few weeks.
I use some 40lb PP Ace Hollow and haven't had problems with it but most of my Spectra is Jerry Brown Line One with some Izor.
Either jb or suffix, power pro has been junk for me in smaller solid sizes. I use 300lb hollow, and it's pretty good