Lee, earlier I told you that the angle on the dogs needed to be changed, scratch that.
I got mixed up with some older dogs, the new ones are spot on, with a few exceptions.
The hole needs to be .40mm larger, the tail is 4mm too long and the thickness is .20mm heavier.
If you can't get the right material don't worry, I don't mind fine tuning them.
The ratchets are perfect.
Here is a shot of the parts, that ratchet sounds awesome
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/parsts%20an%20such/009-11.jpg)
Justin's dogs and ratchets were a little too thin, he tried his best to find the right thickness material, but couldn't. We were still able to make them work with a washer though .
Your dogs are just a little heavy, 20 strokes on some sandpaper and you're set, very easy for us to do.
I did not bother installing the transfer lever, I don't think it's necessary.
Sal
Thank's to Sal,Lee and Justin for their combined efforts in this very interesting project.
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 16, 2013, 12:17:32 AM
The hole needs to be .40mm larger, the tail is 4mm too long and the thickness is .20mm heavier.
If you can't get the right material don't worry, I don't mind fine tuning them.
The ratchets are perfect.
Cone sent me what must have been the older dog. Hole has been enlarged, tail shortened and changed to "old" dog angle. I can change "new" dog hole and tail and have both cut. I have some new old dogs (Cone's) and 12T gears waiting to be cut.
Lee, I hope I sent you the right dog. I actually had two reels apart at that time a 8500 and 9500ss. It wouldn't be the first time I've made a mistake. The hole should be the same for the 7500ss and the 8500ss. The last one wouldn't fit over the shoulder of the screw. I enlarged it with a #4 drill bit (.209in). IIRC
Thanks for the hard work on these parts for us. If you decide you'd like a reel to test fit parts my offer still stands. I'll pay shipping both ways. Bob
Great stuff lads - thanks for sharing.
These were great reels to begin with but, with a few small modifications, they're a whole different beast.
Cheers, Justin
Justin, thanks for the inspiration on this one buddy, we couldn't have done it without you ;).
Lee, looks like things are getting mixed up there, you can check the dogs that I sent you last year to see if you have the right angle.
I'm going to step back from this one and let you and Bob (Cone) carry on.
Less guys giving you suggestions might help on minimizing problems.
Thanks!
Sal
Sal, sorry I butted in. If I was Lee you;d be the one I listened to. ;) I'm outta here. Bob
No Bob, don't misunderstand my message. I had no idea that you were sending parts to Lee. I should step back, besides, I have many more projects with Lee and its nice to have someone else help out. As I said on my message, it's a good idea for me to step back, I would only be confusing things. I actually have no idea how Lee keeps track on those parts of his, I get confused when I have two reels opened at the same time :-\.
I appreciate all that you do around here, don't ever give up buddy.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 16, 2013, 02:09:28 PM
I actually have no idea how Lee keeps track on those parts of his,
I don't....Most Penn conventional reel dogs are easy to tell what I have (especialy with the stock dogs Sal gave me for referance), drag washers are not but I'm only cutting them for myself and a few others. It looks like Newell used the same parts as often as possable, too bad I don't have one or two.
The parts I'm making are a combined project and ALL input is appriciated as well as needed. If something is wrong I NEED TO KNOW so it can be changed.
Could we be seeing a difference between 7500, 8500 and 9500 dogs?
Spinners confuse and scare me ;D but I should own at least 1.
Lee
All you have to do is tell me what part you need. Drag Washers are the easyest 3-HT-6-309. If it's the SS drags, I can send a set no problem.
Quote from: Keta on March 16, 2013, 02:23:24 PM
Could we be seeing a difference between 7500, 8500 and 9500 dogs?
No Lee, the 747,757,750,850,7500,8500 and 9500 all have the same dogs, some for over 35 years.
Some conventionals have the same dogs for over 80 years, that's why Penn is what it is ;).
Sal, No problem. I should learn to keep my yap shut. :D Bob
Mine were not the same angle as the one Bob sent when he had the problem. I have corrected ones being cut. I bought a small angle finder to cure this problem in the future.
Lee, It really wasn't a problem. I adjusted the angle myself. It's working great in both reels. Bob
Lee, if you still have one of the original dog that I sent you, that should help with the angle.
I just grabbed a few old stock and new stock dogs to check and the angle it the same on all.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/001-14.jpg)
I'm sure you'll get it figured out. ;)
We really need those, especially now that we've been able to increased the drags.
Sal
Send me another and I'll send it back with the next run. The 12T gears should be nice.
Will do Lee. as I told you before, everything I send you is yours.
Quote from: Cone on March 17, 2013, 12:01:16 AM
Sal, No problem. I should learn to keep my yap shut. :D Bob
Bob, you heard the boss, he wants as much help as he can get from everyone. So get back on it ;)
Bob, how hard is it to drill the spool on the 9500 so we can add some more washers on top? I would like to make it octagon if possible, as you know it is now round....just a thought :-\
Sal, It's wouldn't be a problem to bore the spool round wider or deeper. With a rotary table the hex shape could be done on a mill. I'm limited on my mill tooling. I have never invested in a rotary table. I've run into a few times one would have been nice. Maybe one day I'll get one. The cost of tooling adds up quickly. Bob
Price a small water cutter :o
True Lee. I really would like a CNC setup but I have looked at prices. Bob
Maybe we should stick with this option, same as the 105 on the right
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/parsts%20an%20such/002-16.jpg)
I just remembered that a new 9500 spool costs $70 :-\
This should still work, not as good as the octagon shape, but definitely better than we have now.
Bob you would probably have to make us some brass bushingsas you made me earlier. It would be nice to keep a bushing on top and one at the bottom.
By the way, the tool in the center makes removing the retaining ring on the drags very easy, I've scratched some spools in the past.
Sorry, I don't remember what's called, I got it at Harbor Freight.
Sal
Sal, that would be doable without a rotary table / indexing plate. The bushing might have to be shortened.
We also would have to make sure there is enough metal fpr the cuts. Bob
Bob, as long as we keep the same OD with the drags, there is enough material there.
The bushings will definitely need to be shortened, the bottom bushing will also need to be popped off, so we can make two new ones with the right length.
Lee, I think I know what happened with angle on those dogs. Here is a shot
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/parsts%20an%20such/006-9.jpg)
The 650 dog is very hard to tell apart from the 750 dog, I believe that is why Penn stamped a notch on the 650 dog.
Please note that the angle on the 650 dog is sharper than the 750. I know that I already sent you some , but I'm going to go ahead and send you some more, we will need those as well. make sure you separate the dogs with the notch, again, those are for the 650.
Quote from: Keta on March 16, 2013, 02:23:24 PM
Spinners confuse and scare me ;D but I should own at least 1.
Here is your reel Lee.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/parsts%20an%20such/016-6.jpg)
This is my personal reel that I used for many years. A while back I stripped it down and repainted it, I also gave it 5 coats of automotive clear coat.
The reel has just been serviced, I gave you a new spool with the octagon drags, all brass gears, new bail wire and emblems.
With this particular model you're able to use the stock springs from Penn for the dogs. On most later models, you will need to customize the new spring.....trying to keep things simple for you ;). I also installed the transfer lever on this one, this allows you to engage both dogs by moving just the top lever, it will also dis-engages them.
Here is a shot of the dogs.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/parsts%20an%20such/012-5.jpg)
I couldn't give you ss dogs because you only gave me a couple.
All you need to do is to take a closer look at the position of the springs, remove the dogs and ratchet and replace them with the ss ones. Remove one at a time.
This reel is on me, enjoy it! All I ask is that you take it on a trip and target fish around 100lb with it.
I would load it up with 25lb mono and a 50lb leader, but I leave that up to you.
Along with the reel, I'm sending the 650 dog and the 650 ratchet. get creative wth the ratchets and see how many teeth you can give us, the more the better.
You're going to love using this reel ;).
Sal
More dogs are waiting to be cut. Now I'll have to learn how to cast a spinner ??? 10T gears are cut, I'll draw a 12T one this afternoon and get it to the cutter.
Much easier than conventionals ;). Be careful you don't get hooked ;D.
One of these days I need to send one to Alan and see if I can change his mind on these ;D.
I drew up a 20T gear and it looks like a small circular saw!!! I think 16T will be max but I'll have a 20T cut to see.
Very nice of you Sal. If a 20 tooth ratchet works there should be very little back play. Thanks for the hard work! Bob
The problem with a 20T is the tab the cutter has to leave so I don't have to dive in the tank to fish the parts out is wider than the tip of the tooth. The 12T I cut with the wrong ID was close, 16T is probably the most I can do and still look good. We will see, the 16T and 20T 9500 drawing will be at the cutter Monday morning.
Lee, I have one of Justin's 12 tooth ratchet and it has much less back play than a stock rarchet. A 16 tooth would be great. Whatever, It will be better than stock even with the 10 teeth on the last one. Bob
Could they be set up to alternate or do they have to be set up together?
No Lee and I wouldn't want them that way. I have one set up with your 10 teeth ratchet, back play is very little.
Ratchet diameter has a lot to do with it, we would probably be ok with 12 teeth on the 650, 16 on the 750 and 18 on the 9500.
But if you could get more, that would be great.
You actually sent me one with 20 teeth a while back, I'm dying to try it, too bad I can't, the cut out is too large.
This one was for the 9500, only half of the dog makes contact with the ratchet, but being ss, I'm not worried about it.
18 teeth on the 9500 would definitely work, we need to experiment and see how far we could get.
I'll draw up a 18T one right now. Can the OD be slightly larger?
We probably could,but I would keep them the same Lee, the 650 dog has a sharper angle due to the OD being smaller.
I drew one up anyway and will mark it when I send the next batch.
Don't over do it, tolerance is very tight on these reels. I'm still going to recommend that we keep the same OD and concentrate on how many teeth we can squeeze on the ratchet.
Did both, I made the larg OD .10" larger and was able to make the flats on the teeth a bit bigger. On the stock OD ones I can file off the tab rather than take it off on the belt sander so it still looks good. The new CAD software makes changes easy and was worth every $.
Keta / Sal,
Following the ratchet development with great interest. Great work.
So if I understand, Keta is developing a 10-650 with additional teeth in stainless? Very cool...available?
Any thoughts been given to a 10-550? Would also be very cool.
I'm waiting for the cutter to schedual my job, then there will be a few available, after I know they will work I'll have a production run cut.