I thought I recently read that there may be a larger dia. With more teeth sleeve available? I'm not sure who or where it was posted on this forum, but I thought I saw it. If so anyone have any information on this upgrade? Larger cf under the gear means more drag...right? And if so what models?
Thanks,bob
at the moment, the SS gear sleeve are built to similar specifications as Penn's.
the CF washer doesn't necessarily add drag pressure, but ensure smooth drag operation because the fiber washer has been prone to intermentent binding even though the rest of the drag stack composes of CF washers.
The gear ID is fixed so if the gear sleeve OD is larger you loose contact surface.
Lee, I need to wrap my head around that one. Is it due to the first washer on the inside stack is a cf? As you can plainly see I'm not any kind of engineer.
Quote from: BMITCH on April 04, 2013, 06:06:10 PM
I thought I recently read that there may be a larger dia. With more teeth sleeve available? I'm not sure who or where it was posted on this forum, but I thought I saw it.
Thanks,bob
Hello bob,
I think you might be referring to the gear sleeve on a penn jigmaster.
I believe Alan might have the SS gear sleeve up-grades for the jigmaster reel.
If you order it, you must let him know what kind of teeth pattern your original sleeve has so that he can make sure that the SS teeth pattern matches the threading pattern of your star.
Quote from: BMITCH on April 04, 2013, 07:15:05 PM
Lee, I need to wrap my head around that one. Is it due to the first washer on the inside stack is a cf? As you can plainly see I'm not any kind of engineer.
"Drag" is created by friction between the CF washer and the metal washers/gear. The more surface area the more drag. If you make the gear sleeve OD larger you reduce the surface area of the washers (their ID is larger) and have less contact and less drag.
If you are takling about the AR "gear" part see below. Having that part larger but the "shaft" OD the same will not change the contact surface.
Quote from: franky on April 04, 2013, 08:47:27 PM
Hello bob,
I think you might be referring to the gear sleeve on a penn jigmaster.
I believe Alan might have the SS gear sleeve up-grades for the jigmaster reel.
If you order it, you must let him know what kind of teeth pattern your original sleeve has so that he can make sure that the SS teeth pattern matches the threading pattern of your star.
More teeth on the gear sleeve = less back travel on the handle.
I was talking about it with Alan, but I didn't think you were here...are you a mind reader Bob? Are you one of the X-men?
Due to the OD of the rachet area on a Penn Gear Sleeve, we couldn't increase the number of teeth by very much to make it beneficial. We'd just stick with the double dog alternate engagement method if you have a problem with the back play.
Oh my... :-\
I totally misread this post....
You're talking about the teeth at the bottom of the gear sleeve... ::)
Time to take a break... ;D
Bryan, that's exactly what I was talking about. I didn't really have a chance to put a caliper to the gear sleeve and that's only if the side cover will have enough clearance. As far as mind reading?? I don't think so, just talk to my wife.
Bob
I think a 8 or 10 tooth can be done, here's what I've done for 7500-9500 reels.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/f83080dc-f3e7-4037-9fb7-69ac067e6275_zps80affdeb.jpg)
Nice work there Lee. A lot of effort went into that project ;)
I just draw up the parts, have them cut, clean and polish them. The "reel" work has been done by Sal and Cone ;D. I need to put some parts in the spinner Sal gave me but Spinners scare me still ::)
Lee, that 20 teeth ratchet is awesome, sounds really sweet.... you're the man ;)
Now lets get them in the right thickness, so I can get rid of those washers.
The ratchet fits like a glove, much better than Penn's ratchet, zero play. The handle has very little back movement.
I love it! Thanks Lee.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/saLee/006.jpg)
I have to look at the insides of your reel to see (I'll bite the bullet and dive into it tomorrow) but do you think a shim washer under the shoulder screw would "cure" the material thickness issues on the dogs that were too thick?
Yes, that's how I did the others from Justin. You will need a nice size shim, what you see is just something I rigged-up to test the ratchet.
I will make these work, but material in the same thickness as the original would be best.
hi alto mare
have you any idea what a safe drag pressure
is for these reels.650/9500.
not sure if this has been covered before
cheers
Wallace, the 650ss has a max drag of 10lb, the 750ss 12lb and the 9500ss 15lb.
In my opinion these are all underrated by a couple of pounds each.
If you're doing the ss upgrades, you could add 5 additional pounds on all with no issues. again, my opinion.
With the new hex washers, I'm getting 22lb on the 750ss and the knob is not crazy tight.
Lee also did a test on his and he confirmed the 22lb.
You already know what these reels look like on the inside, the ss is a good reel to upgrade ;)
Sal
What I was originally asking about was say on a 112H, I have a 112H with Alan T. SS sleeve, I believe Accurate 5:1 gears and looks like plenty of room to have a larger AR area on the SS sleeve. Wouldn't that give you a larger drag surface under the main gear? Couldn't there also be more teeth on the AR portion of the sleeve? The dogs(double) would have to be shortened/modified. Someone else may have already posted about this. I'm not sure.
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Bob
I was confused when I replied the first time, a larger AR "gear" part of the gear sleeve would increase drag. Short 309 AR dogs (112H) can be cut, stock ones modified.
My machinist friend said 2 hours for making a custom gear sleeve....his shop time is $50.00 per hour. I could probably talk him into "donating" one but at $200 ea I can't see doing it. I might for my 112HN but it's a lot to ask.
If you're doing it to minimize handle play, go for it. If you're doing to get more drags, don't waste your time.
The fiber washer keeps everything nice and smooth at that area, but unfortunately it doesn't give additional drag.
This is what I got from my tests.
Some of you might have different results, if you do, please share.
Sal
I gotta get one of those rachets for my 750SS
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 05, 2013, 04:47:34 PM
The fiber washer keeps everything nice and smooth at that area, but unfortunately it doesn't give additional drag.
Doubling the OD might make a difference but it's not worth bothering the machinist or paying him $200 to do it. He said he would do it but I could tell he was just saying that because we are friends. His boss mentioned that they might make one or 2 at work but things are tight there now.
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 05, 2013, 04:53:24 PM
I gotta get one of those rachets for my 750SS
In a few days I might know where some can be found. I took a 750 apart this morning and now see how it works....I even put it back together right the first time.
We already found a way to get more drags, we now need to concentrate on other things . Lee, your cutter is doing some nice work, is he able to make us some ss jacks? We already have the yokes. we need to make that reel all ss on the inside. ;)
Jacks will require a stamping die and $$$ unless someone can figure out another way to make them. I have one for the 113H drawn up now. There is a manufacture in KF that can do it but they will want top $ for making a set of dies.
Sorry Bob for going off topic, too late to start new on this one ;D.
Lee, do they have to be stamped? I thought the water cutter could do most of the job for us, all we would need to do is to punch the tabs out :-\
Do you think he could make us a couple with 4 sots as I'm showing? I would love to give it a shot.
The material is only 1/16", what do you think.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/parsts%20an%20such/001-17.jpg)
I'll have 1 cut and we will see.
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 06, 2013, 12:17:27 AM
Sorry Bob for going off topic, too late to start new on this one ;D.
Lee, do they have to be stamped? I thought the water cutter could do most of the job for us, all we would need to do is to punch the tabs out :-\
Do you think he could make us a couple with 4 sots as I'm showing?
Sal, how about 6 slots? I think it would be easier bending out the tabs like original then trying to bend the middle of the slot & pulling the surrounding material on the ends of a double ended tab.
Rudy, if this doesn't work we could give that a shot. I rather have two cuts, but might have to go as you mentioned.
I'm thinking if we use a block of aluminum (scrap) and create a grove of the same size and a punch shaped the same , we might be able to do it by hand. Lee knows more than me about metal, so I'll wait and see what he has to say.
I can have Bob or Bill cut me the forming parts out of steel and I have a 20T press in the barn. After cutting the very small spring hole in the spinner dogs I think slots will work. I'll try to get this started but the spinner parts are taking more time than I thought....especialy when the cutter used the wrong material.
No harry on these, just trying to keep you entertained ;D
Quote from: Keta on April 05, 2013, 03:46:25 AM
I have to look at the insides of your reel to see (I'll bite the bullet and dive into it tomorrow) but do you think a shim washer under the shoulder screw would "cure" the material thickness issues on the dogs that were too thick?
Lee, I'm ordering 50 ss shims from McMaster, I believe I found the right ones. If you can't find the right thickness material for the dogs, we could keep them as you have them. By the way, the washer needs to go under the dog to make up the space, not on top as I'm showing, that was just to give an idea that they were too thin.