I see several reference here to Narrow reels.
Can someone please explain why you would want one?
My personal reasoning is less thumbing of the line going back on the spool. Don't need huge capacities of line where I bottom fish. Don't like a wide spool digging into my wrist while fighting a fish. Narrow spools cast really well.
My opinion.
I use narrow reels for tuna jigging. You don't have to thumb the line nearly as much to get it to lay evenly on the spool as you would with a wide spool. It makes it easier to concentrate on the actual jigging rather than the line.
A narrow reel will not rock back and forth as bad as a standard or wide reel.
What they said. ;D
Me 2
A narrow large spool has similar capacity as a wide small reel with more line retrieved per turn and (probably) bigger gears/drags etc.
Ron
But...although I like narrow reels, reels that are very tall, like the 49s may wobble due to the weight. I think there is a balancing act for me regarding width with respect to height.
Quote from: noyb72 on April 19, 2013, 06:03:29 PM
A narrow large spool has similar capacity as a wide small reel with more line retrieved per turn and (probably) bigger gears/drags etc.
Ron
[This is why I like my Newell 533 NKs. Bigger gear and drag and still holds 250 yds of 40 mono.
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 19, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
But...although I like narrow reels, reels that are very tall, like the 49s may wobble due to the weight. I think there is a balancing act for me regarding width with respect to height.
I believe tall narrow with low speed is the way to go, but manufacturers don't get it :-\
I like the w i d e reels & let the harness take care of the rocking side to side. ;D
I prefer narrow reels for jigging for kingfish, with the speed anywhere between from 4 to 1 to 6 to 1. 4/0 is about as big as I would go for mechanical jigging though, a Baja special makes a great mechanical jigging reel.
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 19, 2013, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 19, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
But...although I like narrow reels, reels that are very tall, like the 49s may wobble due to the weight. I think there is a balancing act for me regarding width with respect to height.
I believe tall narrow with low speed is the way to go, but manufacturers don't get it :-\
Hey Sal,
I agree entirely. I think the trend these days is for smaller reels. This means high gear ratios to produce the same line retrieval rate.
Unfortunately, it also means low torque and low line capacity.
Another trend is for silent dogs. Some manufacturers have achieved this with a degree of reliability, but some are still employing the tweeser type that have not proven reliable.
I guess some people just can`t tolerate the clicking of a sprung dog. To me, it`s saying "I`m working"
I have just found the basis of my narrow 114h project. I was lucky to find one the same vintage as my 113h and also has the same honey coloured handgrip and those lovely steel gears.
I love the sound of working AR dogs so much I converted my Trinidad's.
Quote from: basto on April 25, 2013, 04:26:57 AM
I guess some people just can`t tolerate the clicking of a sprung dog. To me, it`s saying "I`m working"
I can't believe how many posts I've seen all over the internet complaining about clicking AR dogs. Some people are easily bothered I guess. I personnally like the sound.
I don't mind it if it's not too loud, esp. if I'm jigging. Trolling, doesn't bother me at all.
You should hear a 750SS with a 20 tooth ratchet.
Quote from: Keta on April 25, 2013, 05:51:03 AM
You should hear a 750SS with a 20 tooth ratchet.
I bet that sounds like a sewing machine!
Ron
Quote from: Keta on April 25, 2013, 05:51:03 AM
You should hear a 750SS with a 20 tooth ratchet.
That would be awesome, my 950ss has a 12 and sounds like a small machine gun.
Quote from: basto on April 25, 2013, 04:26:57 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 19, 2013, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 19, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
But...although I like narrow reels, reels that are very tall, like the 49s may wobble due to the weight. I think there is a balancing act for me regarding width with respect to height.
I believe tall narrow with low speed is the way to go, but manufacturers don't get it :-\
Hey Sal,
I agree entirely. I think the trend these days is for smaller reels. This means high gear ratios to produce the same line retrieval rate.
Unfortunately, it also means low torque and low line capacity.
Another trend is for silent dogs. Some manufacturers have achieved this with a degree of reliability, but some are still employing the tweeser type that have not proven reliable.
I guess some people just can`t tolerate the clicking of a sprung dog. To me, it`s saying "I`m working"
I have just found the basis of my narrow 114h project. I was lucky to find one the same vintage as my 113h and also has the same honey coloured handgrip and those lovely steel gears.
Basto, your statement is spot on, you just forgot to mention that most new reels have to work three to four times harder to get to the same line retrieval as the older tall/narrow's. No wonder they need frequent parts replacement.
Technology moves on, but I'm stuck with these older Penn's and I don't believe I'll be giving them up any time soon.
I've mentioned a couple of times to Penn that we need an aluminum spool and one piece aluminum frame for one o my favorite reel, the Senator 116A, unfortunately they're not interested :(.
I've noticed you purchased a second Senator, don't blame me if you caught the bug ;D.
About the clicking of the dogs, I just don't get it why they would bother most, I personally enjoy them ;).
Sal
I thought that's why we double dog these Penn's? The noise.lol
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 25, 2013, 09:23:48 AM
Quote from: basto on April 25, 2013, 04:26:57 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 19, 2013, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on April 19, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
But...although I like narrow reels, reels that are very tall, like the 49s may wobble due to the weight. I think there is a balancing act for me regarding width with respect to height.
I believe tall narrow with low speed is the way to go, but manufacturers don't get it :-\
Hey Sal,
I agree entirely. I think the trend these days is for smaller reels. This means high gear ratios to produce the same line retrieval rate.
Unfortunately, it also means low torque and low line capacity.
Another trend is for silent dogs. Some manufacturers have achieved this with a degree of reliability, but some are still employing the tweeser type that have not proven reliable.
I guess some people just can`t tolerate the clicking of a sprung dog. To me, it`s saying "I`m working"
I have just found the basis of my narrow 114h project. I was lucky to find one the same vintage as my 113h and also has the same honey coloured handgrip and those lovely steel gears.
Basto, your statement is spot on, you just forgot to mention that most new reels have to work three to four times harder to get to the same line retrieval as the older tall/narrow's. No wonder they need frequent parts replacement.
Technology moves on, but I'm stuck with these older Penn's and I don't believe I'll be giving them up any time soon.
I've mentioned a couple of times to Penn that we need an aluminum spool and one piece aluminum frame for one o my favorite reel, the Senator 116A, unfortunately they're not interested :(.
I've noticed you purchased a second Senator, don't blame me if you caught the bug ;D.
About the clicking of the dogs, I just don't get it why they would bother most, I personally enjoy them ;).
Sal
Makes a lot of sense for boat fishing, but for shore casting, a lower profile reel is the answer, so to gain on on line capacity, it needs to be wider and the gear ratio must be upped for fast retrieval.
Good point CapeFish. Sorry, forgot about the surfers ;D.
:) We also like bearings :)
I degrease my AR dogs and lightly oil them so that I can hear them loud and clear. I don't fish with my hearing aids on.
Quote from: CapeFish on April 25, 2013, 02:55:03 PM
:) We also like bearings :)
CapeFish, there is good and bad in everything. Some like bearings and some like bushings. They both have their place.
About the statement above.
I said sorry I forgot about surfers, but didn't say I agree ;D.
Here in the eastern side, most shak fishing is done with the big Senator, and they wouldn't use anything else....my kind of guys ;)
Sal
Quote from: Newell Nut on April 25, 2013, 04:17:23 PM
I degrease my AR dogs and lightly oil them so that I can hear them loud and clear. I don't fish with my hearing aids on.
;D ;D
You supposed to take it off when you get home ;D.
As much as I LOVE tall narrow reels, I will freely admit that I do my best casting with a 3/0 reel. I can get my thumb around more of the spool and seem to have more finite control. With a hard cast on a tall spool it always feels like I am trying to catch the spool before an overrun occurs, with the smaller spool I have confidence in the ability to control the spool through the entire cast.
Ron
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 25, 2013, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: CapeFish on April 25, 2013, 02:55:03 PM
:) We also like bearings :)
CapeFish, there is good and bad in everything. Some like bearings and some like bushings. They both have their place.
About the statement above.
I said sorry I forgot about surfers, but didn't say I agree ;D.
Here in the eastern side, most shak fishing is done with the big Senator, and they wouldn't use anything else....my kind of guys ;)
Sal
Sorry no offence intended with the bearing statement, it was made in good humour.
Quote from: CapeFish on April 26, 2013, 07:16:54 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 25, 2013, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: CapeFish on April 25, 2013, 02:55:03 PM
:) We also like bearings :)
CapeFish, there is good and bad in everything. Some like bearings and some like bushings. They both have their place.
About the statement above.
I said sorry I forgot about surfers, but didn't say I agree ;D.
Here in the eastern side, most shak fishing is done with the big Senator, and they wouldn't use anything else....my kind of guys ;)
Sal
Sorry no offence intended with the bearing statement, it was made in good humour.
My fault CapeFish, I forgot to place the smiley icon following my statement.
You've always been a gentleman here and I enjoy having you on board.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 26, 2013, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: CapeFish on April 26, 2013, 07:16:54 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 25, 2013, 04:41:34 PM
Quote from: CapeFish on April 25, 2013, 02:55:03 PM
:) We also like bearings :)
CapeFish, there is good and bad in everything. Some like bearings and some like bushings. They both have their place.
About the statement above.
I said sorry I forgot about surfers, but didn't say I agree ;D.
Here in the eastern side, most shak fishing is done with the big Senator, and they wouldn't use anything else....my kind of guys ;)
Sal
Sorry no offence intended with the bearing statement, it was made in good humour.
My fault CapeFish, I forgot to place the smiley icon following my statement.
You've always been a gentleman here and I enjoy having you on board.
Sal
I hope so ;) I sometimes do like to poke fun at you Penniacs though!
Quote from: Keta on April 25, 2013, 04:28:45 AM
I love the sound of working AR dogs so much I converted my Trinidad's.
me too!!! i mean the sound of the dogs, music to my ears... ::)
Yes, I also much prefer narrow reels for the above mentioned reasons. AND I think they are more aesthetically appealing.
Quote from: RowdyW on April 19, 2013, 06:59:48 PM
I like the w i d e reels & let the harness take care of the rocking side to side. ;D
Rudy, I'm sure you would LOVE the 32/0. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGEHe3Thaxc
Me, I prefer the 14/0. Same drags, gears, and sideplates, just MUCHO narrower.
George
Quote from: Mel B on April 26, 2013, 09:29:37 PM
Quote from: Keta on April 25, 2013, 04:28:45 AM
I love the sound of working AR dogs so much I converted my Trinidad's.
me too!!! i mean the sound of the dogs, music to my ears... ::)
I've heard of people composing songs and melodies to be played by one hundred Harley Davidsons. Maybe you should compose a song played by one hundred Penns? :)
Noyb72.. When you cast try thumbing the side of the spool, not the line. You'll get better control by adjusting the amount of pressure applied and no monofiliment burn from the speeding line.. ;)
I use the narrow version of the penn 113h, tiburon topless in the Gulf of Mexico fishery. I have caught everything from red snapper to 300 pound bull sharks on them. I think u have to go with braid the tie on mono or fluorocarbon leader depending on the warryness of your prey. Mine are totally pimped out with accurate gears and double steel dog conversion and some cool pro gear handles. I also have a couple of baja specials that are basically an upgraded version of what I put together. The narrow stuff is easier to handle and weighs less and if u set it up with braid u have plenty of line to fish most species. Long days bottom dropping are easier with a reliable American made reel. I like those penn 113h's so much I don't think I could sell them.
My preference, primarily for shore casting, are narrow reels. Since we do not use harnesses, the "wobble" factor is important and narrow reels definitely do better in that regard.
As far as casting control, narrow reels aren't necessarily different from wider reels as much as the diameter of the spool. A smaller diameter spool turns faster than a larger diameter spool for the same casting weight velocity. A higher RPM is harder to control for me. The narrow spool with larger diameter rotates slower and is easier to control.
Narrow width, larger diameter, reels also are less prone to twisting/"torquing" under stress.
The reason the one-piece frames are preferred is because they withstand this kind of distortion better.
If the reel is designed so that the crank handle pivot point is very close to the bottom of the reel, there is less wobble while cranking. Unfortunately, there is a limit to how close the handle pivot point can go because the higher the gear ratio (generally speaking) the larger the main gear, and the farther away the handle must be from the circumference of the reel side plate. To compensate for this, some companies have offset the main gear so that the side plates are not round, but have a section that sticks out to house the larger gear. This "wobble" factor is the reason you do not see reels that have the crank handle located at the upper part of the side plates. They are always towards the bottom.