Hello and good day to all. I'm not sure what to say here so I will wing it. I am an avid Oregon fisherman I enjoy fishing all available species but my top three are winter steelhead, sturgeon and salty bottom fish. Of course I enjoy salmon and tuna and crabbing. I remember reading some posts from Alan Tani on Ifish.net and made a mental note to track him down when I was ready to hot rod my first reel. Well the time has come. I am wanting to upgrade one of my Shimano Curado 201E7 reels. I was thinking ABEC 7 spool bearings and some upgraded smooth drag washers. I know nothing and have only recently view a couple of how to videos on youtube. My goal is to make this reel cast a small split shot a country mile and having the smoothest drag all the while. I am sure I will find the info I need here. Thank you for reading.
Eric
Welcome Eric, I'm sure your in the right place. Good luck with your upgrades.
Bob
Welcome Eric! The people here can help you get the best out of a reel. Bob
aloha eric thanks for joining us
eric, welcome! for the curado, change out the drag washers to carbontex and cal's grease. check with http://smoothdrag.com/ for parts. for the bearings, stick with the stock stainless steel bearings for now. check out the bearing post http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13.0 for info on how to open up and clean out your bearings. use a q-tip to clean the inside of the pinion gear as well. that will get you the maximum amount of spin. from there, you can slow down your reel with brakes or the spool cap to adjust to the size of the lure that you are tossing.
that really it!
Welcome from the Sacramento Delta
Hi ;D
welcome to Mr. Tani's neighborhood...
Eric, Welcome......
I Have Kids, Grand kids & A great Grandson in Portland/Vancouver areas!!!
I Keep trying to get them interested in Bass fishing, I hear there is some great Small Mouth action nearby them..
My Daughter has gotten very good at Salmon & Stealhead the past few years..
Im going out on a limb here, and going to disagree with Alan..
If you are looking for Light weight casting on that Curado, 'DO' go with the #7 Ceramic Spool Bearings...
This is Exactly what they excel at.
(now I will suffer the wrath of Alan)..... :-[
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Hi All and thank you for the warm welcome! Alan, I will at the least try what you suggest first, then if I still desire more spin maybe I will try the ABEC 7 bearings. I still want to hot rod something so I guess my Abu 6501 C3 could get the bearings? Lord knows it needs them! :P Thank you again everyone.
Does the C3 have an AR bearing or dog? Dogging a AR bearing 56xx/65xx is a good mod, here's one of my C4's I use for albacore.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/6501II.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/6501II.jpg.html)
Quote from: Keta on June 13, 2013, 05:55:10 AM
Does the C3 have an AR bearing or dog? Dogging a AR bearing 56xx/65xx is a good mod, here's one of my C4's I use for albacore.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/6501II.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/6501II.jpg.html)
To be honest I do not know. I have never opened it up. It is a relatively newer style 6501 C3 with the paddle handles rather than the older round knob style. I had it serviced a couple of years ago, Joe at Hogg's tackle cleaned it and put carbon drag in it. But I have beat that poor reel and now it grinds on cast and retrieve. I can post a picture of it if that might help?
On a AR bearing reel the handle does not go backwards slightly until the AR dog engages. I need to stop by Hogg's sometime, talk with Joe and Mike and pick up some things but it's a 5 hour drive.
ABU reels are a good real to start on, they are relatively easy and Olie Damon has all the parts you will need for repair.
Quote from: Keta on June 13, 2013, 12:37:17 PM
On a AR bearing reel the handle does not go backwards slightly until the AR dog engages. I need to stop by Hogg's sometime, talk with Joe and Mike and pick up some things but it's a 5 hour drive.
ABU reels are a good real to start on, they are relatively easy and Olie Damon has all the parts you will need for repair.
Anti reverse, that is what you are speaking of? I should have figured that out. Yes, my 6501 C3 is a anti reverse reel. I am thinking of buying another 6501 C3 to add a power handle to and make it my dedicated bottom fishing rig. I have heard that Abu reels do not like saltwater? I always thought they were designed for the salt?
Grease the drag washers and flush them well after using them in saltwater and they are OK.
Quote from: Keta on June 25, 2013, 10:09:44 PM
Grease the drag washers and flush them well after using them in saltwater and they are OK.
Thanks. I'll do that. One last thing to ask you, I have a Shimano TG2000 or TR2000 something 2000 level wind fairly good size (I think) would this reel be my better choice for salt use over the 6501C3?
Like this?
(http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/products/reels/star_drag/tr.image.-familyImage-Single-image.dash.jpeg)
For rockfish the ABU would be a bit better but the Shimano is a good inshore reel.
Quote from: Keta on June 28, 2013, 05:45:36 AM
Like this?
(http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/products/reels/star_drag/tr.image.-familyImage-Single-image.dash.jpeg)
For rockfish the ABU would be a bit better but the Shimano is a good inshore reel.
Yeah that's it. The retrieve sure is slow but what I think I could do is use this reel on the deeper drops. My main rockfish setup is a Daiwa saltist 6' M action jigging rod with a Penn battle 5000 spooled with 25lb jinkai. I can completely unload the spool in 160-200' and not find bottom. I understand my problem is to heavy of mono line and not being able to get enough yardage on that reel. It works great in shallower water. I think the 6501 will hold about the same amount of line. The shimano should give me ample capacity for those deeper drops?
Try to avoid yelloweye when fishing that deep. Do you have a decender to release them at depth if you do hook one?
Switching to 25 pound breaid would solve your capacity problem. Lee is right about Yellow eye. When you bring one to the boat and you aren't prepared it really sucks.
Ron
Quote from: Keta on June 28, 2013, 12:33:54 PM
Try to avoid yelloweye when fishing that deep. Do you have a decender to release them at depth if you do hook one?
Yes I have a shelton fish descender Edsr gave me at Hogg's. I use it to ;) I am very careful when fishing where the orange fish live. I keep one old rod rigged with the descender at the ready. If I bring one or two up I will move off to another spot after successfully releasing them at depth. Right now I believe rockfish is closed outside the 30 fathom curve at 180' for my area (2A). I going to go out on a limb here but I am confident that you will understand the logic and somewhat agree with me. Lately I have been targeting the deeper reefs (still inside 30FA) because they are for the most part less well known to the weekend warrior, they receive less fishing pressure and usually always yield a better grade of fish while the inshore reefs on the other hand get relentlessly pounded from February to October by the pukers and the weekend warriors. Coincidentally, I have also seen several orange fish floating in the wake of charters both near shore and deeper. I do not agree with it and I am not trying to sound biased but it really comes down to everyone working together diligently to send the orange ones back or we will all suffer for it.
I openly welcome any conversation that could help me develop a better plan for finding my Lings while lowering my impact on the canary and yellow eye rock fish populations. I can tell that you are a wealth of knowledge and I would like to sponge some of that knowledge from you. I have no doubt at all that it will make me a better mariner and a better fisherman, maybe a tick smarter than the average fisherman too ;D
Quote from: noyb72 on June 28, 2013, 07:13:08 PM
Switching to 25 pound breaid would solve your capacity problem. Lee is right about Yellow eye. When you bring one to the boat and you aren't prepared it really sucks.
Ron
Hi Ron, thank you for your recommendation. I have thought about switching to braid, I have some reservations about it, maybe you have the answers? I like mono so that I can put dropper loops where I want very easily, this also allows me to use my mainline with no terminations, on my short jigging rods I can put the bottom jig in the hook holder and reel tight, no swivel in the wrong place reeling up to the guide and no popped out guide inserts, also I don't lose any time tying leaders, I don't lose money on terminal tackle such as swivels (I know they are cheap) I'm a tightwad with money so that I can buy gas to go fishing ;D My other issue is that I have heard that braid can fail any place and often never at the knot, I don't know if this is fact or fiction but another thing for consideration. I don't like the idea of leaving several yards of braid free drifting in the current while anchored to the bottom by a stuck hook, though at times I wonder how it is any different than breaking off with mono from a weak spot somewhere in the middle of the line. Could just be my inexperience showing here ;D Thanks for your help.
Welcome aboard Erik.
Sal
Welcome from Texas.
William
Hi thanks guys! Glad to meet you.
The solution to your issue is often called a "Top Shot". Basically it is a considerable length of mono tied to the end of your braid for all the reasons you discussed. There have been specific knots developed for this but if you have reservations I'd recommend having the reel spooled at your local tackle shop. I was born in SweetHome and still have family up there, braid is used all over the state from steelhead in the Snake to albacore in the Pacific. If the reel's drags and gearing can handle what you are doing and all you need is more capacity then braid is your solution.
Ron
Hi Ron- Thanks for the help. Do you know if all braid line can be top shot? I assume I would want to match my line ratings as close as possible? 30lb braid + 30lb or 25lb top shot? Thanks again.
Eric
Just got back from Brookings, 2 limits of Chinook with a fat 36" the largest and 3 in the 30"-33" range. I'm beat but tomorrow I'll catch up with you.
Quote from: Keta on July 01, 2013, 05:20:19 AM
Just got back from Brookings, 2 limits of Chinook with a fat 36" the largest and 3 in the 30"-33" range. I'm beat but tomorrow I'll catch up with you.
Nice work on the kings! Saturday I took a friend for his first ride on the salt. We fished inshore halibut first. Tagged out in a little under and hour with a pair of chickens 37" and 40". Went after lings next and were done quickly. Left the rocks for others to catch. Trolled for kings over 150 FOW on our way back to Garibaldi. Two kings in the 12 -15 pound range. Today Was spent on boat and trailer maintenance.
Quote from: ThunderToad on June 30, 2013, 09:57:07 PM
Hi Ron- Thanks for the help. Do you know if all braid line can be top shot? I assume I would want to match my line ratings as close as possible? 30lb braid + 30lb or 25lb top shot? Thanks again.
Eric
Yes, you can tie 30 and under using a double uni or use loop to loop (L2L) for heavier mono/fluro. A "topshot" can be anything from a short piece of mono/fluro tied on to the end of your braid to a 100'+ L2L. For bottom fishing, lingcod/halibut, I wouldn't use anything lighter than 60/65 most of the time. For early inshore lings 40 is ok. Drop down one weight for your mono/fluro (60/65 with 50 and 40 with 30)
Unfortunately yelloweye and deep water lingcod share the same habitat, the yelloweye tend to be concentrated on the drops but they will be on any hard bottom structure lings live on. Go large with your baits or don't use bait at all, lings pound large iron, swimbaits and pipe jigs. I use small baits inside 12" shellsquid ("hoochies") and 16/0 hooks for halibut and never catch yelloweye.
I don't have the numbers but there are a few nice humps around 17 miles due west of Garibaldi that hold large lingcod with few yelloweye.
Quote from: ThunderToad on June 28, 2013, 09:13:33 PM
Coincidentally, I have also seen several orange fish floating in the wake of charters both near shore and deeper. I do not agree with it and I am not trying to sound biased but it really comes down to everyone working together diligently to send the orange ones back or we will all suffer for it.
Ocean is trying to get the charter industry behind yelloweye conservation but so far it's hit or miss.
Lee- Thank you for the help. I will try a loop to loop top shot. I am aware of the humps you speak of West of GB, I use to fish them frequently, now I have a hard time justifying the gas to go there for a couple of lings. i wish it was different. I do use big pipe jigs, never bait on rock fish. I know that some of the better charter outfits are starting to use the release devices. A certain few from GB are still behind the times. It is my opinion that shrimp flies are more likely to catch yellow eye when used above a large jig, it seems when I did catch them that they bit the shrimp fly. For that reason I no longer use shrimp flies, Also I found that I don't limit out so fast and I get to fish longer ;D Often it is just myself on board and I like to make my time out there last as long as I can.
Pipe jigs are my all time favorite bottom fishing bait. It amazes me every time I catch something on a big piece of copper pipe filled with lead.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on July 04, 2013, 11:45:26 PM
Pipe jigs are my all time favorite bottom fishing bait. It amazes me every time I catch something on a big piece of copper pipe filled with lead.
Ron
Ron: You threw me with this comment. Please post a photo of a copper pipe jig. I am not familiar with this. Thundertoad I don't mean to take the thread so if you can help, please do. Dominick
Dom,
I'll see about finding a picture. Envision a piece of copper water pipe 6-8 inches long or so with holes drilled through it for two pieces of wire and a whole on the end that will be on the "top" of the jig. Big trebles are ran through the wire and a split ring is run through the top to attach the main line. Once all rigged the pipe is filled with molten leg the same way you cast a bullet an d when it is cool you have a pipe jig. You bounce it off the bottom and catch ling cod.
Ron
I went to Google and found some photos. They are kind of cool. Lots of information on homemade lures. Dominick
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.theoutdoorline.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/7/DSC_0030.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.theoutdoorline.com/blog/2009/07/08/droppin-the-hammer/&h=480&w=722&sz=114&tbnid=JdOIVFYyAFj67M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&zoom=1&usg=__Mungy1_fSC-mRl5UrpWT7wUw1fw=&docid=e-8or3oGoqiK7M&sa=X&ei=G-LYUbeKC6n3igKap4CwDg&ved=0CDEQ9QEwAA&dur=621
I've seen people put hoochies and beads and all that on pipe jigs. Even seen them work, but mine have always worked without them so I've never seen the need.
Ron