Reel Repair by Alan Tani

My Penn 113H Special 4/0 Senator makes a ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ sound in freespool but not when it is in gear.

Does anyone have any ideas why? I have another one and it doesn't make the sound in freespool and this one didn't used to make the sound so I think that something isn't right.

Thanks!

I would try replacing the pinion yoke & eccentric jack first. Sounds like the pinion gear is not fully disengaging from the spool. Its a cheap fix.   Rudy

I've never had it apart but I'll look around on this site and see if I can figure out how to do that.

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Look up the Penn 113h tutorial for the how to in the Penn Senator section. Use the 113h short version.     Rudy

Do you think that this is the one?

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=208.0

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Thats showing the 114h which is very similar except the dog spring in the 113h is a coil spring & the 114h is a flat spring. When youget parts order a few extra dog springs because they go flying real easy & go into never never land.    Rudy

I also found this tutorial for the 111 which looks similar

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=44.0

Can I do the same 1+5 drag washer upgrade on the 113H that he shows for the 111?

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After you take it apart then check to see if your reel has the updated drags. If it has a 3 drag setup then you can order the 5 drag setup. Check first & if you use carbon fiber drags get some Cal's Drag Grease to coat them. Don't use marine grease on drag washers. If you get the 5 drag set, get the whole set with the metal washers. You can get everything at MysticParts (Scott's ).

"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"

Is the sound coming from the right or left? It could also be as simple as a bad clicker spring.

Hi Sal, if it was the clicker spring wouldn't it make the noise weather or not the free spool was engaged or not?

Yes Rudy, you're right. I just noticed that Klink mentioned that it doesn't do it when in gear.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Sal

Yeah, I replaced the clicker spring because it was worn and the sound started soon after that (I think) but everything looks ok on that side of the reel as near as I can tell.

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Have you got the left bearing adjusted correctly with just a very little side to side play in the spool?

Tilt the reel to the left keeping the handle up and see if it still does it. Sounds like your spool is going too far to the right.

It doesn't seem to make any difference right or left side up.  Yeah, there is a little play side to side with the spool adjustment knob.  I'm starting to think maybe a bad bearing.... :-\

I tried to get the right side plate off to look at the inside of it but the spool seems to be stuck to it.  Is the right side plate supposed to just lift off or is it connected to the spool somehow?

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If the plate comes off with the spool it means the spindle of the spool is rusted to the pinion gear. If you take out the 4 screws in the middle everything should fall apart & you will have a pile of parts. Do it on a bench or table  over a old towel to catch the parts. When you get it apart you will see the pinion gear stuck on the end of the spool. Soak the pinion with penatrant for a day or two then wrap the pinion with a rag to prevent damage to the gear & grab  the pinion with pliers & with the other hand hold the spool & try to rock the pinion back & forth. Once it starts to move pull outward while still rocking the gear. Then its time to get out the emerey paper & wire brushes & clean everything up & grease it in & out. The reel probably hasn't been serviced in a long time.

Ok I'll give that a try.  I think I'll just order new bearings and drag washers and whatever else looks flakey and try putting it back together and see if that fixes it.

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Let me know how it turns out or if you need anymore help.   Rudy

Ok it came apart pretty well (shaft was stuck in the right side bearing).  I think I ended up with all the springs, etc.

It looks like the bearings are pretty stiff so I'm going to order new ones.  Do they come pre-greased?

The schematic says something about a different left side bearing for 'older' 113H reels, how do I tell if I need that one?

Where do I order parts from online including the Cal's grease for the drag washers?

Also, it has the 5 drag washers.  They look ok but should I replace them as well?  The last fiberglass drag washer is hard to get out of the gear is there a trick to getting it out without wrecking it?  Do I clean and re-grease them?

Other than that it looks pretty good inside.  Not real corroded or anything.  Going to hopefully get it working if I can get it back together correctly.

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The Cal's drag grease is available from Scott's along with any parts you need including drag washers. Try to dig out the last washer with an pick type tool bent at a 90 degree angle. The left bearing is not available any longer & the only way to use the new style is to replace the left plate which will not be a color match. Fill the bearing with good synthetic reel oil & see how it turns. You can also remove the plate on the bearing & grease it . Usually oiled for casting & greased for trolling. Scott's also has the Penn oil & reel grease & the cal's drag grease for the carbon fiber washers. If in doubt about the condition of the washers, replace them & grease them always with Cal's.       Rudy

The new bearing holder for the left side has a o ring seal. The older bearing holder does not. The bearings are replaceable in both. The old style holder is no longer made and if you need one its a parts reel or a new plate that takes the new one. If you still have the old one you can order new bearings from smooth drag or boca and change them out. Bob

The left bearing holder has an o-ring so that's a good thing I guess (new style???).

I'll see if I can get a replacement one.  I'm assuming you buy the holder and bearing as a unit since I don't see how you get the bearing out of there since you can't get behind it to press it out.

Do the bearings come pre-greased?  I'm using it for trolling.

By the way, I should have figured it was a bearing since it sounded just like the bad bearing on my outboard crankshaft when it started to go bad, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

thanks guys!

Yes you do have the new style bearing cup.
These work like magic:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7318.msg62075#msg62075

A lot cheaper to just buy one bearing with holder unless you have a lot of bearings to do.    Rudy

My bearings have shields on them so I'm not sure how I would get grease into the new ones.

Do they come pre-greased or just oiled?

Thanks again for all the info.  Couldn't have figured this out on my own!

I just fill the bearing & cup with reel oil & let them soak while I do all the other work. The longer the better. The oil will work its way into the bearings. Or remove the shield from one side & clean & grease it. If you damage the shield during removal & can't reinstall it just put it in with open side facing the bottom of the cup.    Rudy

To fill bearings with grease that's stuck in the cups, I press grease in the center with my finger until I can see it coming out of the inner race.  Not very hard to do.

Ok that makes sense!

All the little tricks!

Thanks!

Hey guys,

I got the parts and it seems to be cured.  No more ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Thanks for the info!

One last question.  If I want to use 50 or 60 lb mono on that reel for halibut or albacore fishing, how many yards do you guys think I should get to load up that reel?

Thanks again

I figured about 250-275 yards of 50# mono.  60# mono, I'd figure 200-225 yards.

These are only guestimates.

Thanks Bryan!