Today I decided to check out some gears that Irish Jigger and Keta sent me. The test was done with a bridge plate from Tom ( Irish Jigger). The carbon fiber washers were made out of a 1.30mm laminated sheet.(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/025_zps58d7869d.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/025_zps58d7869d.jpg.html)
I started with Lee's insert, this one is octagan
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the max I got was 26lb
Next was Irish Jigger's hex
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His maxed out at 29lb
and lastly my gears
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mine maxed out at 28.5.
Only two carbon washers were making contact on mine and Lee's, the third was just a spacer.
On Irish jigger's gears all three were making contact, Tom made his insert about 1/8" taller than Lees.
All gears did good, Tom's gears did best
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Keep in mind this is just a test, these should not be fished at those settings. BTW I got 14lb.with a standard Jigmaster.
Take a look at the pinion, one of the tooth on the top right came off
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The carbon washer under the gear got all shredded, but held up. I'm thinking teflon is a better washer there, or add a metal shim first and then the carbon washer
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/048_zpsf6e72c22.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/048_zpsf6e72c22.jpg.html)you can see it better here at the bottom
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I'm very happy with the results, with our upgrades, these reels should be able to handle 15lbto 18lb with no issues.
Lee, you need to make some more inserts, but they need to be stainless and on the Jigmaster about 1/8" taller. I hope you'll make us some, I would love to have some for the squidder, jigmaster, 113H and 114H. Yours did just as good as Tom's, his got more drags because I was able to use three washers.
Sal
Thanks Sal. Thatʻs Great information.
That's a nice bend on that rod, Sal. Thanks for the info. If Penn had you on the payroll they would never have been sold. Bob
Good information there Sal,thank's for collating all the data from different sources. Your hard work will certainly make these great little reels even better.
Great work lads.
It's a fantastic upgrade - ingenious and practical.
Threads like this are what I enjoy most about Alan's site.
Well done Sal, Lee and Tom.
Cheers, Justin
26lb-30lb is good! I can cut the octagon adapters out of thicker material too.
Sal, great work! One question though....the cf washer under the main gear was compromised, right. Was it the ends of it where the dogs teeth are? If so what if you were to have a smaller OD washer that didn't extend out past the dog teeth? Would that help? Just a question.
Bob
WOW! :o With drag figures like this, who needs a stock 113H.
George
Thanks guys!
Quote from: BMITCH on June 20, 2013, 12:34:47 AM
Sal, great work! One question though....the cf washer under the main gear was compromised, right. Was it the ends of it where the dogs teeth are? If so what if you were to have a smaller OD washer that didn't extend out past the dog teeth? Would that help? Just a question.
Bob
Yes it was at the tip of the ratchet. There are a few things we could do, a teflon washer might be the easiest solution, or we could soften the edge of the teeth on the ratchet, but that's a lot of work. Another idea would be a stainless shim first and then the fiber washer.
Keep in mind that I pushed the reel way past where we would be fishing it and the washer still held up :-\
Quote from: Keta on June 19, 2013, 11:07:37 PM
26lb-30lb is good! I can cut the octagon adapters out of thicker material too.
Lee, if you decide to go with these, I'll take a dozen of each, after everyone has been taking care of, of course. I would like them for the squidder, jigmaster, 113H and 114H. Is it possible for you to make them out of stainless steel? I know they would cost more, but stainless would be nice. The thickness of the wall is good. Let me know if you're interested.
Quote from: George4741 on June 20, 2013, 01:22:46 AM
WOW! :o With drag figures like this, who needs a stock 113H.
George
No George, that was just a test to see if the gears and carbon fiber washers would hold up. The pinion was in the beginning stages of failing, if it didn't have that stainless ring at the top, it would have blown up.
Still, having a jigmaster that could handle around18 lb is a good thing ;)
Quote from: Alto Mare on June 20, 2013, 02:00:17 AM
Lee, if you decide to go with these, I'll take a dozen of each, after everyone has been taking care of, of course. I would like them for the squidder, jigmaster, 113H and 114H. Is it possible for you to make them out of stainless steel? I know they would cost more, but stainless would be nice. The thickness of the wall is good. Let me know if you're interested.
Now that we know it works I'll do the other drawings, I grabbed a 113H gear and eared washer this afternoon after seeing this post to start. I'll check to see what thickness SS I have and try to get some cut. I need the thickness of IJ's adapter.
Sounds great Lee.
If it all works out (and, as Sal noted, once everyone's been seen to), I'd be keen on four Jigmaster and four 113H.
All the best, Justin
Lee, Tom's insert is just about the same as yours 1.5mm in thickness. You don't need to be exact on thickness, if it's a little thicker it would be better. I wouldn't go lower than 1.5mm though. If you find anything close to 2mm that would be great.
I've taken this reel apart a half dozen of times today to do this test and I don't feel like doing it again tho check Tom's insert ;D.
It is safe to say that if you use 1.30mm carbon fiber washers, an insert of 6mm in hight would be perfect for the jigmaster.
I'll take down my 500 and check again, I think my adapter was about as thick as I could go in my reel. Did the CF washer cutting jig help?
Lee, I didn't try it yet, today I was doing three different shapes and I just decided to use the flour to mark, I then cut them with scissors. I'm sure your jig will work great, I will be using it.
There shouldn't be a limitation on thickness as long as you keep the OD the same.
I guess it's height not thickness, the side plate will be the controlling factor.
Yes it is the height, but, we already know that Tom's 6mm insert works.
Can I get a link to the source of the carbon fiber sheet?
Thanks!
Ron
Found it!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/120960145439?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Ron
pretty cool test Sal (sorry for reviving an old thread but Im still learning and the more I read the more questions I have LOL)
I really like the results from Keta and Irish jigger adapters, octagon and hex adapters repectively, I found them innovative and great because even though we need you cut the stock drags to a smaller size in order to fit inside the adapter they offer more drag power than the stock configuration.
yours are also great but what I found innovative on the adapters is that they are "Plug and play" in any stock main gear of couse with the proper cut to fit CF drags, if needed you can always go back to the stock drag stack in minutes in case to sell the reel for cheap or anything.
Quote from: steelfish on August 22, 2015, 12:24:28 AM
pretty cool test Sal (sorry for reviving an old thread but Im still learning and the more I read the more questions I have LOL)
I really like the results from Keta and Irish jigger adapters, octagon and hex adapters repectively, I found them innovative and great because even though we need you cut the stock drags to a smaller size in order to fit inside the adapter they offer more drag power than the stock configuration.
yours are also great but what I found innovative on the adapters is that they are "Plug and play" in any stock main gear of couse with the proper cut to fit CF drags, if needed you can always go back to the stock drag stack in minutes in case to sell the reel for cheap or anything.
Very good point.
One of the reason why I said Black Pearl's second generation gears are a great upgrade, but don't count Adam's or Lee's inserts out.
All are useful to us.