Hello,
I started to restore my penn 14/0-117 and I have verified that there are anomalies in the screws post and in the side rings holes.
The holes screws on the rings do not have the countersink and the screw head remains out with a bad aesthetic effect and unpleasant to the touch.
The peculiar thing is that the countersink is present in the black meterial holes, below the rings.
Also the rings material appear different, not chromed but stainless steel :-\
Furthermore, these screws (11 per side) have a strange diameter of mm. 3.8 while on other major penn as the 115 and 116 they have a diameter of mm. 4,1.
(sorry, I dont know the inch size) I ordered new screws size 39-13 for 117L, according to the penn table to replace these but I'm afraid that will not have this diameter.....
Quite normal or the old owner has changed something with after market products ?
Now I have brought many parts to chrome and I hope will be a nice job.
Thanks
knife
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I have never seen plates like that. If they are indeed stainless. I think some button head screws would be in order here.
isn't that just an inside ring?
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I agree. In fact, I've done it.
I have a 113 with 4 inside rings and the screw heads stick out just like that. Some day I'll replace them with button heads.
Ron
You nailed that one Alan! He has four inner rings.
Hi,
inside and outer rings have not the countersink holes
I'm waiting the screws from Mystic Reel Parts but I think they will not go well.
If I need the button heads (out Penn parts supply) I can ordered stainless steel screws.
With your help I just need to know which size is equivalent to mm 3,8
Thanks in advance for the support.
p.s.
Remains to understand what kind of animal I have at home :-[
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Quote from: knife on June 25, 2013, 07:46:55 PM
The holes screws on the rings do not have the countersink and the screw head remains out with a bad aesthetic effect and unpleasant to the touch.
The peculiar thing is that the countersink is present in the black meterial holes, below the rings.
As you say, the black sideplates have countersunk holes. Regardless of the type of screw you use, you probably won't be able to properly tighten and seat the screws on these rings. It will lead to problems. I agree with Alan and the others. You have four inside rings and the outer rings must be changed to the correct ones.
George
If I have four inside rings as you say, why only two of these (inner rings in the photo) have, as right, the slots to insert the harness lug ?
I think these rings are born correctly for inside and outside, everything else is a mystery for now.
We need C.S.I. ;D
knife
Probably aftermarket rings. You will probably need different screws for that or you could counter punch them if you do dare.
I think you're right and I believe there are after market parts in this penn, rings and and maybe the posts.
I say this because before disassembling the reel I verified that the horizontal spool clearance (3/4 mm) was greater than in my penn 10/0 - 116
Could be this for longer posts (not original) or for other reason?
knife
The problem you are going to run into with the button heads, is it will catch on the eccentric lever.
You need to get the correct rings before you go any further.
That much play is normal on those, all you need is a few of these to adjust it:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/154-117.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/154-117.aspx)
I believe with the exception of the inner rings, everything else is stock on that reel.
Get a set of these also and your set:
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/2-117-O.aspx
(https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/2-117-O.aspx)
Here is the chematic, just in case you want to order some more parts:
https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/117l.pdf (https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/pennparts/schematics/117l.pdf)
Sal
Quote from: knife on June 26, 2013, 01:47:24 PM
If I have four inside rings as you say, why only two of these (inner rings in the photo) have, as right, the slots to insert the harness lug ?
You're right, it is strange. :-\
Has to be after market. Unless there is no photo of where the lugs on top fit through. If the other rings have the slots....then four inside rings. Right?
Knife,
How many slits do you have on each inner ring to accommodate the harness lugs ... there should be 3 on each.
If not maybe you got a Penn "quality control" problem... hey, the government does it with our currency from time to time, why not Penn?
That's if it's not just 4 inner rings ;)
Dom
In each inner ring there are 3 slit for harness lugs.
I think they are after market and also the posts because I found that the screws are in metric/decimal size and maybe they don't come from the USA.
Now remains difficult to understand........make the post is fairly easy but not the rings !!
It seems very strange that some company or artisan has taken the trouble to make penn rings when these are available in USA at reasonable cost.
At least I solved the screws problem...in the hardware store below my home ;D
knife
p.s.
Knife: Get a tapered screw and a nut with a larger hole than the hole in the ring. Then get another nut of the correct size and tighten down to create the countersink needed. I am pretty sure it can be done. Dominick
Good idea Dominick, I was thinking of putting the side plate in a vise and using a flat punch a little bigger than the hole to make the countersink. I like your idea way better and it may actually work or it'll crack the ring... one or the other.
Dom
I had the same issue when I ordered new inner & outter trim rings from scotts for my 114h.. they don't accommodate the countersunk screws, and the screw holes have indents on the backside which won't lay flush to the plate...unless you grind the indents down flat... :-\
i need some of those button head screws too...
Hello
- I slightly enlarged the holes on the rings to send lower the screw head with the same "countersink"
effect.
- I found identical penn's screws but in metric/decimal size.
Thanks for your precious advices
knife