I have never even considered a 4/0 until I saw Dominick catch a 150lb Marlin with the Tank.
My son got a 4/0 on a St Croix rod that somebody put out in their garbage.
I have two 113h's now. One is the Tank and the other is a nice half frame.
After some research, I realize the 4/0 black does not use the same drags as the 113h and was having a hard time finding a drag kit for it.
I got on scotts website and ordered the parts to make it a 5 stack. Mo called me this morning and informed me that a 5 stack won't work in this reel and that a extra drag washer under the sleeve will not work either because the dog would ride on it. Is all this true? :-\
That is certainatly not true. I have a 5 stack in my grouper special. You need to use 140 grags, wich are the same size but thinner. Their are several tutorials on here about it.
Ron
I've changed out all Penn 113s (black side plates) with a 5 stack system. Use carbontex washer for under the gear because it's more durable than the HT-100 at that location. It's can be done, but I don't know what parts are needed. I pull it out of a bin of HT-100 and metal drag washers. Sorry.
Unless someone knows the part numbers, I'll piece together a kit for you if you send me the main gear.
Thats what I was afraid of. I thought scotts would be more knowledgable on this.
You have a part number for the 140 drags and washers Ron?
SH, you need 5 of 6-60 HT-100 CF washers & 1 extra eared & 1 extra D washer. Scott's has them. Rudy
Evidently Mo saw this post and made it right.
Thanks Mo! Appreciate it! ;D
I knew Mo knew it could be done. She is one sharp lady. I bet she was getting ready to go fishing for the weekend.
Thank You Bryan!
You are always there when I need you. Thanks buddy. ;D
No probs. The problem is unless you actually sit down with the reel and have a bin of metal drag washers and another bin of CF washers, all different sizes, it's hard to just look at part numbers and say yes...unless you are Alan that is ;D.
I guess if you can remember all the drugs and side affects for each drug, reels and parts is easy.
Speaking of part numbers. Last night I realized that the 112H uses a 66 stand. This is important to me because I like grouper specials. The 66 stand is probably the weakest link in the Longbeach 66 reel but Newell aluminum stands are still around. Newell YTS stands are not so readily available, a Newelled 66 will be the exact same reel as a grouper special only with an open top.
ROn
I got the 5 stack for the 4/0 from Mo and slapped it together last night. I have taken it back apart 4 times and it seems no matter how tight you crank the star down, I hardly have any drag?
You can still turn the spool by hand pretty easily. What am I doing wrong guys?
I noticed there was an extra thin washer, like a small Belleville on the very top of the stack. I tried it with and without, put the thick Belleville under the star. Same results.
SH, is the last eared washer slipping out of the gear on assembly? Is the order of the stack correct? Rudy
Daron,
Are you missing the spacer or is the spacer too short???
John
The reel worked fine before, when it had the original 3 stack.
The last eared washer looks good. It is still inside the main gear.
Fiber, slotted washer, fiber, eared washer, fiber, slotted washer, fiber, eared washer, fiber, slotted washer.
I put one of the old slotted washers on top of the stack thinking I need more length for the spacer to push on, now its rubbing the side plate.
I can feel the resistance when I crank down the star wheel, but the drag is so weak, it won't even turn the spool with the clicker on.
I thought I was past this stage. I rebuilt a 114h in 20 minutes before I started on this one.
I am sure it is something simple I am overlooking. I just haven't figured it out yet. :-\
You'll get it figured out buddy ;).
Your configuration is right, the only thing I can think of is that the tension spring is bad. Do you have another laying around?
Also, when you set the bridge in place do it from the underside, keeping the plate up and then turn it around. Maybe one of the eared washer is getting out of place :-\.
Try it like Sal said but install the spacer sleeve & star wheel slightly snug before flipping it over. Or slip a piece of rubber hose on the sleeve to hold it together during assembly.
Daron,
Try assembling the bridge, main gear, drags, star, and handle without installing them in the sideplate. Then hold the main gear and turn the handle. That way, you should be able to see what is causing the problem.
George
Good thinking George.
I haven't been rebuilding any reels as of lately, trying to get all the Tank parts together.
I had the pinion upside down! >:(
Quote from: Shark Hunter on July 12, 2013, 05:01:21 PM
I have never even considered a 4/0 until I saw Dominick catch a 150lb Marlin with the Tank.
My son got a 4/0 on a St Croix rod that somebody put out in their garbage.
I have two 113h's now. One is the Tank and the other is a nice half frame.
After some research, I realize the 4/0 black does not use the same drags as the 113h and was having a hard time finding a drag kit for it.
I got on scotts website and ordered the parts to make it a 5 stack. Mo called me this morning and informed me that a 5 stack won't work in this reel and that a extra drag washer under the sleeve will not work either because the dog would ride on it. Is all this true? :-\
Hey Sharkey: As far as catching a fairly large striped marlin you must give due consideration to the man behind the reel. ;)
A 4/0 and St. Croix rod out of the garbage wow! Good price. If you have the time to canvass the neighborhood get me one, I'll pay the shipping. :D
If Mo says it will not work, it won't work.
Then again it depends on how much time and money you want to put in it, you can make anything work. Get yourself a 113h with the red plates and make a tank. You will be very satisfied. It was great fun working that fish. Dominick
Its in the works Dominick!
I finally have all the parts I need for the tank. Thanks to Alan T. Dawn, Lee and Scotts BT.
Its possible the last eared washer slipped out of the gear. I have that happen to me many times.
As "they" say, "a day late & a dollar short" whoever "they" are. Rudy ;D ;D
Didn't see page 2 until now. Lol
Quote from: Pescachaser on July 22, 2013, 05:40:43 PM
Hey Sharkey: As far as catching a fairly large striped marlin you must give due consideration to the man behind the reel. ;)
Then again it depends on how much time and money you want to put in it, you can make anything work. Get yourself a 113h with the red plates and make a tank. You will be very satisfied. It was great fun working that fish. Dominick
Disregard Dominick ;) and fish your black 113 HARD. Show these guys that you don't need a "tank". I would show them myself, but it will be a while before I get out on the salt chuck, again.
This may not be an M-1 tank (like Sal's 113H) but it is at least a Sherman tank. 113 narrowed with a Newell reel foot and bars, ss gear sleeve, steel gears, 1+5 drags, and I've since installed a larger Kolekar handle. I just need to double dog it and maybe install some faster Longbeach 66 gears.
(http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q523/rumbum01/P1010380.jpg)
That is mine with the exception of 66 bars and gears and Alan's crank arm. Absolutely love this reel.
Ron
Me and my son are headed to Pensacola in Sept. to catch some sharks. His only rod is that 4/0. I am sure He is going to give it a workout. I am bringing the Heavy Artillery. 14/0,12/0,9/0 and 6/0. Spooled with 130lb mono and 100lb braid on the 9 and 6. Hope to have some pictures when I get back. Pensacola is the Shark Hotspot in Florida. I think its time for the Penns to Shine. ;D
I finally broke down and bought me a Kayak too.
Quote from: Bryan Young on July 13, 2013, 04:06:42 PM
I guess if you can remember all the drugs and side affects for each drug, reels and parts is easy.
There's side effects? :-O