113h or ssv 10500 ??? All my fishing has been fresh water but iv been wanting to do saltwater. So I have some questions. Biggest fish IV caught is a 6 foot alligator gar on battle 8000. So does a gar fight like a shark or not even close? Also what's a good reel for sharks? I have a 113h loaded with 100 lb. Power pro braid,Tiburon frame,aluminum spool,t-bar handle,5 stack washers,ss yoke,ss dog,ss gear sleeve,ss 4:1 gears on a bluewater carnage rod. But im somewhat nervous taking it out for sharks, cuz I went to a local tackle shop for some gear and the owner of shop told me that id be spooled in a heartbeat that 113h wouldn't hold up. That all the upgrades that I did that reel is a 15lb. Max drag, and no matter what I did to it that's all it would give me. So iv been thinking on getting a ssv 10500 I believe the max drag is 40lb. Is that true? Sorry for all the questions
An alligator gar is not even close to a big shark fight of the same size. The 113h is a fine shark reel but it all depends on where and how you fish,and what you go for.If you are on a beach you may need a topshot of mono to keep from having cutoffs from sand and shell but a 113h is plenty of reel for sharks into the 8' range if you don't drop your bait too far from shore.Remember the guy at your local tackle shop is there to sell you tackle!
I'll be fishing from beach and sometimes on boat.i feel much better knowing that a 113h can handle sharks around 8', I'll probably be going after 5' sharks to begin with. Thanks for the info
Agree, you will probably do fine with smaller size sharks and, depending on the species (some are much more aggressive than others). The problem is that one cannot entirely control what size shark takes the bait.
I won't disagree with you saltydog, but its going to take a while to get in a 6 footer on a 113h. I think it would be fine for Blacktips and spinners, but for the Tigers, Hammers and Bulls, I think you will be out gunned. I fish from the beach and Kayak my baits out. Its a little tougher than fishing offshore.
I'm not trying to sound snobbish, but for Sharks I think the minimum is a 114h, unless you have a Tank.
My main two rods for Sharks from the Beach are a 12/0 and a 14/0 with 130 lb mono and 130 lb rated rods. A Leader with a 30' sliding trace of 700 lb test and 10 ft of 480 lb cable crimped to a 20/0 circle hook. I fish smaller baits on a 114H and 9/0 with smaller hooks. 12/0 size.
I know this sounds like overkill, but I feel a lot better with this monster setup when a big Bull or Tiger comes knockin'. ;D
I'm headed to the coast next month. Wish me luck. Hopefully I'll have some nice pictures to post up. ;)
Garking, you described a tank with the upgrades to your reel. Search for the tank on this site for more information. Dominick
Garking, I'd say the LTS guy was telling you a fish story. I've caught 4-6 foot blue sharks on Mitchel 300s and one of the biggest sharks I've ever seen boated was a ~14 ft Thresher caught on a bone stock 113H. THeir is a LOT of big gear used to compensate for poor technique, but a good fisherman can always get it done.
Ron
we catch big sharks and skates from the shore casting not paddling baits out out using 20kg line with braid backing . With this tackle you can get sharks in the 100 to 200 plus kg range. You need 600m and upwards of line. Guys that go really heavy use 35kg line on lever drag reels with over 1000m of line that is 200m of mono or less and the rest of the reel filled with braid. This is not for casting though and here you need a kite or a big swimbait or paddle it out. Not sure what a 113 costs but if you are going to paddle out baits is it not easier to pick up a big 2nd hand lever drag reel?
garking, your reel should produce more than 15 lbs. of drag. Have you checked the drag on your reel with a scale? If it only produces 15 lbs. there is something wrong. If you read some of the other threads in this section about 113h upgrades, you'll see that they can make plenty of drag.
Yes,
With those upgrades, you should be able to pull 25lb of drag easily. Thats a lot!
I prefer the larger reels for more mono capacity. braid cuts pretty easily when it rubs on the sandbars with shells. The mono is more abrasion resistant. If it weren't for the braid cutting so easily, I would be content to fish with a 113h and 114h and run 80 and 100lb power pro.
With the new black pearl gears and stainless sleeve, These reels are way more powerful than the stock version. :o
Doradoben is right, you should be getting a little more than 15lbs. with that reel, I'll say close to 20lbs. But no way near what we've been pushing them at with a few upgrades...ok, maybe a lot of upgrades ;D.
I'm getting 20lbs. with a stock Penn 4/0 and 30lbs with the upgrades.
Some guys here have been fishing the upgraded 4/0's hard, with good results, but they're not getting 30#'s.
Pescachaser might be the only member at the moment holding a 4/0 that can dish out 30lbs. of drag, we will need to wait and see how he makes out, and I don't mean the other kind of making out, he's way past that stage. ;D
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 08, 2013, 08:19:18 PM
we will need to wait and see how he makes out, and I don't mean the other kind of making out, he's way past that stage. ;D
Sal
Ahem! Wanna bet? Dominick
Doradoben, I haven't had a chance to check the drag on my reel but I will later on today. It was the owner of the shop who said that a 113h would only produce 15 lbs. Of max drag no matter what kind of upgrades you would do to it. That's when I got to an argument with him and I said that with all the upgrades I did my 113h should be around 20. He insisted in 15. Maybe he was an Abu Garcia guy and didn't like Penn or just wanted to sell me the ssv10500 How saltydog said. altomare, how do you get 30 that be nice to have? IV upgraded everything except the stock maroon sideplates, what's the difference by having the accurate sideplates?
Quote from: garking84 on August 08, 2013, 08:56:56 PM
That's when I got to an argument with him and I said that with all the upgrades I did my 113h should be around 20.
He did not know what he was talking about, mine will do more but I'm fishing it for halibut using 50lb topshots and 20lbs of drag. Where are you at?
Well if you want to hold up 15+ pounds of rod go ahead but I have rediscovered the use of smaller stronger better gear. A 113h tanked out will give any Tiger, Hammer, or Bull a run for his money. My 113h has a full size aluminum frame, ss gears , ss gear sleave , wire line spool, ss double dogs, ss yoke, and a 7+1 drag stack with thinned washers, she holds 1000 yards of 80# spectra and a short 50 yard 80# topshot .She also gets 32# 0f drag when almost locked down a puts out a steady 25# as long as I can take it. Now I used to use those monster reels for those 500+ yard drops but I found I catch just as many with short 100 yarders as I did with the longer ones but each to his own.My biggest shark on my 113H is 10' Hammer and a 9' Bull. I know alot of guys who use stock 4/0 and still land 10+ footers , but I will admit we've been doin this for 35+ years too. Now when I was younger I had 16/0,14/0, 12/0 and a lot of 10/ and 9/0 but hey I'm 30+ years older now and have seen what finesse and a little knowledge can do. You don't have to bring a cannon to a gunfight you just have to have better aim. ;D
Keta, im from south Texas I'll be doing my fishing at south padre island
Quote from: garking84 on August 08, 2013, 09:49:21 PM
Keta, im from south Texas I'll be doing my fishing at south padre island
Thanks, use your reel.
I prefer the cannon! ;D Plus I love collecting reels and rebuilding them and fishing them. Sounds like your tank is tricked out saltydog!
Not trying do cause any discontent. This is just how I roll. ;)
If the 113h has brass gears , gear sleeves and frame the max is about 15 lbs. Above that gears may strip. Gear sleeves may round off. Frames may torque or fail. Sal and Dominick have proven with the ss upgrades and a good frame they can be pushed beyond 20. The faster you can get a shark to the beach the better shape he will be in at release. Bob
No discontent, I love rebuilding the big boys too, but after my cancer surgery I have gone to tanking smaller reels for myself and others. I know that getting them in quick is paramount but you just don't cam shaft a 10+ foot shark with any tackle, not even a 16/0 penn. I would load that reel with 40# mono about 12# of drag and fish it till you either tank it or go to the monster gear. At least with a 4/0 you can still cast it a pretty good ways when it is too rough to get baits out, casting a 12/0 or bigger is well IMPOSSIBLE! ;D Plus all of my shark fishing is in south Texas and most of all the sharks we get, unless you go for them is under 9' so just use what you can handle and afford. Heck this summer and next we are even trying to break a few line class records from the beach on 20 to 50 pound class line, wish us luck. We came close to the 30# line class Blacktip earlier this year, only 3 pounds, almost there.
I don't disagree Salty. I've caught some big sharks that came in easily and some that couldn't be stopped. In a boat you can chase them and recover enough line and even beat them. On the beach, its oh no I'm spooled. A few good runs will beat most though. If you can ever get em turned. Good luck! Bob
I agree if you can turn there head you can beat them, but then I have stood on a beach when I was younger and watched my 16/0 go empty without even slowing down.Get more line and go again. ::)
I whup big rays on my 4/0w, fight harder than any 6ft shark. Biggest shark we've caught on it was a 6' spinner my friend caught on it when I was pre occupied with a important situation on down the pier ;)
I'll tell you one thing! >:(
This is an Awesome Thread! ;D I'm glad to see you guys talking about catching Sharks!
This is my new Hobby and Passion. I really like this site more than any of the other ones out there.
The posts are genuine and sometimes Funny, but it is the comradery that is felt between us that makes it Awesome!
Hats off to you my Brothers!! ;)
Especially you Alan! ;D
Mr.Alan catches all his sharks and big tuna on a daiwa sweep fire with 200lb braid lol
Last week I landed a 150-170lb sandbar shark on an Accurate 270 with 50lb braid on a 40lb Accurate rod. I won't say it was fun but it can be done. I was offshore and not on a beach, however, the boat was anchored. For reference, the 270 is about the size of an MX, or a wide SX Avet but more drag.
I love to still catch sharks and will for as long as I can.They are what I cut my big game teeth on in south Floridia 36 years ago and I still love there tenacity.
Quote from: saltydog on August 08, 2013, 09:45:57 PM
Well if you want to hold up 15+ pounds of rod go ahead but I have rediscovered the use of smaller stronger better gear. A 113h tanked out will give any Tiger, Hammer, or Bull a run for his money. My 113h has a full size aluminum frame, ss gears , ss gear sleave , wire line spool, ss double dogs, ss yoke, and a 7+1 drag stack with thinned washers, she holds 1000 yards of 80# spectra and a short 50 yard 80# topshot .She also gets 32# 0f drag when almost locked down a puts out a steady 25# as long as I can take it. Now I used to use those monster reels for those 500+ yard drops but I found I catch just as many with short 100 yarders as I did with the longer ones but each to his own.My biggest shark on my 113H is 10' Hammer and a 9' Bull. I know alot of guys who use stock 4/0 and still land 10+ footers , but I will admit we've been doin this for 35+ years too. Now when I was younger I had 16/0,14/0, 12/0 and a lot of 10/ and 9/0 but hey I'm 30+ years older now and have seen what finesse and a little knowledge can do. You don't have to bring a cannon to a gunfight you just have to have better aim. ;D
You keep talking when you were young....you're still a kid ::), some of us here are almost double your age, some almost tripled, and still tough as nail ;D
Btw, after your comment I need to clarify what I said earlier:
Pescachaser might be the only member at the moment holding a 4/0 that can dish out 30lbs. of drag, using (4) 1.3mm Carbon Fiber washers...... That's better ;D
Sal
Do you have the hex gear in Dom's Tank?
You say four 1.3 washers. How is this different from the Penn HT-100 5 Stack kit? (113hsp)
What are you not telling us Sal? Ole Buddy. ;)
SH, Sal already told everyone here on page 28. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3083.405 Bob
Ok whose the 130 year old in the room :o, I wish I felt in my 40's. ;D ;D
I agree about the rays being tough. I caught one in Tampa bay that was much bigger than the 155 lb Alaskan halibut I caught the year before. It fought much harder, too.
Quote from: Cone on August 09, 2013, 02:02:40 PM
SH, Sal already told everyone here on page 28. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3083.405 Bob
Thanks Bob. I had forgotton about that.
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If the photo comes through then this is what seniors can be if they work at it. Lift blocks like Sal or lift weights like me and we can whip anything brave enough to bite our hooks.
Dwight, That's not you, is it ??
That is me at age 61. I won the 2010 Grandmaster 60+ National Championship, 2nd in the 50+ group and 5th place in most athletic physique against all ages there.
Way to go Dwight, I'm impressed!
Sal
Thanks Sal, keep up the mason work and you will be strong for a long time and kill a lot of fish.
Now that's what I want to look like when I grow up.
You can be if you want to bad enough. Just want it enough to work at it. The average senior citizen is a product of a lifestyle of self destruction. Why on earth do people destroy themselves? I don't get it.
Through exercise and resistance training you can constantly regenerate yourself. I have proven it and I live it.
Now get busy.
Ok now that I know a 113h can do some damage on sharks. I'll be heading out to the beach next Friday going after sharks. I'm new to shark fishing so what are good shark baits,size, live or cut bait? Also what are the best months for shark fishing or can you catch them year round?
Go join sharks on the sand, you will get great information there. As for baits, jacks, rays, fish heads, whiting, bluefish, etc.
In my experience most people use too big a bait,a fist sized bait is plenty for most sharks anything between the size of a mullet head or a good 12" mullet whole will get you more hookups than those monster 20 to 30# baits some guys use.In Texas it's good between May and October(bulls, blacktips, hammerheads, tigers, atlantic sharpnose, bonnethead, and a few others ) but we do have a few cold water sharks(sandbar,mako) later in the year.
What about crabs, baby sharks, and the like? Minimum bait i run out for sharks is about a 3lb jack or blue on my 4/0w
Well here in Texas we get lots of reds and big uglies on crabs and baby sharks are not legal anywhere in the states so you need to check your local game laws(the civil restitution in Texas is pretty stiff).And a 3 pound bait is about as big as I go,the biggest sharks I have caught even when I commercial fished were caught on baits about the size of a normal 12" mullet or small blue runner.A good 8 to 12" stingray can't go wrong either.
Yes,
They definitely love the blue runners. Spanish Mackerel is up there too. That's what I usually catch for bait on the Florida Coast. Ladyfish and Bonita as well. If you catch them yourself, you know they are fresh. I think you will have better luck with freshly caught bait rather than buying it. I haven't fished with rays yet, But I will. That seems to be the bait to use for the big ones. ;)
Rays are good for long soaks and they don't get crabbed out like the other baits do, plus sharks think they are lollypops.
Quote from: saltydog on August 10, 2013, 04:03:22 AM
Well here in Texas we get lots of reds and big uglies on crabs and baby sharks are not legal anywhere in the states so you need to check your local game laws(the civil restitution in Texas is pretty stiff).And a 3 pound bait is about as big as I go,the biggest sharks I have caught even when I commercial fished were caught on baits about the size of a normal 12" mullet or small blue runner.A good 8 to 12" stingray can't go wrong either.
Sorry I meant as them attacking your baits lol. We use sharp nose and bonnet head for bait, along with the occasional blacktip
Garking, it's not the size of the worm, it's how you wiggle it ;) ;D .
A couple of years ago I caught this 5' two miles out with my Jigmaster, loaded with 30# mono
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Sorry, not a good shot. The first time, it straighten my hook, I always keep some pre made rigs on the boat, I got one with wire and a heavier hook added a whole squid and caught it again. Took a shot with my phone and let her go to get bigger and stronger.
The Jigmaster was the largest I had at the time on the boat, I now always make sure the tank takes a ride with me...just in case.
Nice fish Sal.
Yea nice shark. Hopefully I can catch one that size on Friday Will post pics if I do
We will be waiting on those pictures g84,
Good Luck! ;D