Somebody asked a question about what hooks to use for sharks, so I took pics of what I use
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From left to right: 12/0 mustard o'shaugnsey style, 16/0 gapped offset mustad, and a 12/0 mustad
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Left to right: EC 20/0 circle, Mustad 20/0 circle,and a mustad southern and tuna 12/0
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Top to bottom: 14/0 SS J hook, 10/0 mustad o'shaugnsey, and a 2x 8/0 mustad o'shaugnsey
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And these are some bad little hooks, 9/0 EC circle sea, I use these and the 7/0s for drum and sharks
There's something about shark rigs that I find extremely hot. :P
A big ol sexy king Mack head with a 12/0 J studded in it, nothing better
Well then this should trip your trigger! ;)
30' of 700 lb test mono, 10' of 920 lb 7x7 nylon coated cable, 8/0 long line snap, 225 lb test rosco swivel and a 20/0 circle. :-*
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Quote from: Shark Hunter on August 16, 2013, 08:00:14 AM
Well then this should trip your trigger! ;)
30' of 700 lb test mono, 10' of 920 lb 7x7 nylon coated cable, 8/0 long line snap, 225 lb test rosco swivel and a 20/0 circle. :-*
:P :P :P
Oh, mama....
He said shark rigs not bait setups ;D
This is a Shark Rig Grayson! ;)
I use those to catch mermaids that I use for megaladon bait
Quote from: Shark Hunter on August 16, 2013, 08:00:14 AM
Well then this should trip your trigger! ;)
30' of 700 lb test mono, 10' of 920 lb 7x7 nylon coated cable, 8/0 long line snap, 225 lb test rosco swivel and a 20/0 circle. :-*
SH, your 225 lb. swivel is a weak link in your chain. The swivel should equal your highest lb. level of components in your system. You've got a rig for a 4000# Great White & a swivel for a 600# Hammerhead.
I'll settle for the Hammer! ;D
If you want a Hammerhead that big head for Islamorada in the Florida Keys.
Honestly that's what size swivels I use on my lighter cast baits, smallest I run on yak baits is a 750lb on small rigs, on up to a 8/0 rosco
The 225 lb snap swivel is for the sliding trace weight. The main line is attached using a 8/0 rosco swivel that is rated at 900lbs.... :o
Never mind then, that'll work! If you remember, tie your weights on with light single strand so if you break off it will rust off or break quickly as possible
Will do Grayson. Thanks. ;)
Nice hooks. The rig with the green leader is a ray rig, I assume? I primarily use J's, I'll have to give circles a try.
Nice rig, Shark Hunter! Sharkoutlet is awesome. Your next weak links are the hook and the cable. A large tiger or hammer can bite through 1000 test cable easily. And Mustad circles are great hooks, but can straighten.
Well, what do you use then? You seem to be an expert on every post. Lets see what you got!
When I hook a fish that straightens out a 20/0 Mustad, I will Congratulate him!
I also have some tooth proof 22 wire when I get serious. ;)
Use #22 wire and you will be set for monsters! Really #19 is all you need, though. Single strand is superior 'cause each time that bull, tiger, or hammer swings his head, he cuts through a tiny strand. In no time there are no strands left. One big strand is a lot harder for the shark to cut through. And i'm not "Mr. expert", I have just seen way to many cables severed by big sharks. Sorry if i seemed arrogant! The Mustad should last but under heavy drag they will bend. Look into the Lindgren-pitman 18/0 circles, they are smaller but quite a few shirkers use them with much success! They can be found on Ebay for a 10 pack. They are unbendable. Currently I'm only fishing for tippers with my 9/0, so I'm not hunting giants. I use about 5-6 feet of #15 wire with double 9/0 j's, again this is only for the smaller sharks. Not much in the Bay, sadly. For you I'd recommend 6 feet of 19 wire then 12 feet of 500 lb test cable. Cable is recommended instead of heavy mono because it is impervious to tail whips. A 12 ft tiger will obliterate 600 lb test mono with one swipe! 1000 lb test will last longer, but not much. If bridge fishing then use 15 feet of wire to tail whip section of 20 feet of cable. Hooks? Either the LP's i mentioned would be perfect or try some big J's. Many scorn the large j hooks nowadays, saying they kill sharks, but they are wrong sharkers kill sharks. You come from Sharks on the Sand, correct? A vast majority of sharkers there use circles. If you decide to use J's make sure they are sharp and thick, at least double strength. 11/0 and up. Don't worry about the sharks mortality, sharks are gutt-hooked with circles and many people have sharked their whole lives using just J's, never a single gut-hook. Use double hook J rigs and you may find your hook-up ratio increases. Good luck whatever you use!!
Forgot to say that your rig is still very strong, but the next weak links are the two mentioned. You should be able to handle a decent to nice shark, (7-12 ft), easily with the Sharkoutlet leader. You can catch nice sharks on both, I'm strictly talking about Monsters! Go out and catch 'em!
I dabble in Sharks on the Sand, but this is my Home. If you need some help here, you will get it! ;)There are a great bunch of guys here. SOS seems to be more of a"look at me!" site. There are some words said on there that are really turning me off. I didn't mean to sound arrogant either, but constructive criticism is better worded than to just point out the flaws. I am sure we can learn a lot from each other. The Tiger leader from sharkoutlet was a gift from John Hebisen to get me pointed in the right direction.
I am learning to make my own leaders. This is my standard setup. 12' 480lb nylon coated cable, for the tail whip factor. 25' 400 lb mono with sliding trace and 6/0 rosco barrel swivel with a 20/0 straight Mustad circle. I realize the cable can easily be bitten in two, but if the circle works as it is suppose to, his teeth will never touch this cable. These are very inexpensive to make versus buying new ones. Plus, they roll up nicely in the leader bag. The wire does not. I make them on the beach. I Will check into those Pitman hooks. They sound like the hot setup. Again, sorry for my arrogance as well. ;)
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You're not arrogant, lol, and I agree, this is my favorite site yet! The people here are just plain awesome. Just taking a look at the crap that goes on at other sites makes me realize how thankful I am to be a part of this forum. I'm a lucky guy, and as you say, life is good! But seriously, there are some good people on Sharks on the Sand. Some of them might be a little short-sighted on occasion, but they are a nice bunch of folks. I don't know if i'm allowed to post a link, so you can just search "Lindgren-Pitman circle 18/0 10 pack" into the search bar at Ebay. They should be right there. Also take a look at the All-catch 20/0 circle hooks on Ebay and Amazon, they look like the Lindgren-pitmans, but they have a thinner tip which slides into shark flesh easier. Don't be afraid to try out J's too, you might be pleasantly surprised.
I have been fishing for big sharks off the beach since 1984 and have commercial fished for them since my great uncle used me for a cutter(gut and de-head) on his shark boat so the leader question has alot of play everywhere. When I fish off of a boat for them I use a 3 foot leader of #15 wire and whatever hook does best to minimize the electrical signal the shark will pick up tied straight to my 30' 80# topshot of mono and have never lost a fish due to wearthrough of the mono or the wire breaking,now I have had them cut me off on the oil rigs, other boats, other fish, my boat, and accidental jumping fish spinning up in the line and it get in the muth, GONE.
Longline fishing for sharks we used 20/0 circle hooks on 200 to 300# mono leaders with no wire to catch sharks with 99.9% of the leaders never bitten through or a 20/0 straightend out, and I guarantee you a 5 mile long line puts out more drag pressure than any reel ever could.
For beach fishing with the guys I fish with we use 7' of #15 wire and 20' of 200# mono with different hooks matched to the bait and we have caght many large Tigers and Hammers and have never had a tail pop the line or leader in half in over 30 years.
Most of the shark sites I have visited and been a part of always turn into a self gratifacation or braggart sites and I have little time for that, I always try to help anyone who asks for it and that is a major part of why I am a member of this site because the men and women of this site always try to help and give contructive criticism, and lots of knowledge is here to be mined if only one is to ask. Thats why I love this site, if you have a question people here do there best to answer it to the best of there knowledge or try to point you in the right direction.
William
Well said William! That pretty much sums it up Buddy! You are now the Man! ;)
Precisely! People here are always so helpful, gracious, and humble. That's why I joined this site. Back to the shark leaders, I use smaller J hooks and 6 feet of #15 for smaller sharks such as tippers, bulls, and sandbars. I use a mono tail whip section for them too, it works fine. Circle hooks are great as well, but I have seen stock Mustad 20/0 circles bent out by a goliath and 50 lbs of drag, if a goliath can bend it what could a 1000 lb plus hammer do? And many hard-core sharkers fish with extreme drag. And we all know those sharks exist. And they are catchable with the right gear. Shark Hunter is satisfied with average sharks too, but he wants a monster. And Monsters can do crazy things, so i'm just trying to suggest the gear that is used for monsters, that people use to catch monsters. Regular Mustad circles bend, Mustad triple strength 14/0 tuna J will not. Mono tail whip leaders will not last against a prize shark, cable will. Not part of this discussion but 50w you will get spooled, 130 class reels you have a better chance. I do not doubt the type of leader you and I use for everyday sharking works, but monsters will find the weak link in your gear, and they will make you pay for it.
I ain't a mustad circle fan, I like two of the smaller ones. Circles have to turn just right to set, Js set anyways. #15 wire can catch anything, I prefer heavy mono to cable as cable kinks up and reals from tail whips
Yeah, #15 is probably enough, but kinks a lot easier than #19. Cable might kink up when whipped but I'd rather have a kinked tail whip leader than a broken one. Just my two cents......
When and where have you seen broken heavy mono from whips, good AFW #15 doesn't kink easy, and I h be some killer J hooks that won't bend. Commercial tuna hooks and 9/0 giant tunas, the giant tuna hooks will be going out in a sharpnose in Florida this spring if it goes right
If you want real strong hooks go get you and old gas heater that has those ceramic bricks inside and make you a heat treatment kiln out of it. Then heat treat your own hooks, weld the eyes and get them good and sharp.I used to have one when I used to make my own harpoon heads and alligator snagging heads when I used to work for one of the state alligator trappers in south Fla. and also used to have lots of fun with those little jewfish.Just thought I would post this little fish for all those who say a 114H stock has no guts, this was when Jewfish was still legal to take so nobody get upset.He was caught on a stock 114H with 50# mono and a 6' peice of #15 wire and a 14/0 circle hook ,and the rod was a custom sabre 50# standup.He was 90" long and had a 73" girth and weighed 599# by formula and probably went a little bigger.
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Awesome fish!
I've always thought jewfish looks just like a supersized little aquarium fish. Like if you didn't have frame of reference beside it, it could just easily be two inches long. So you're either a very tiny person Saltydog, or that fish is enormous. :)
At the time 6'1" and 250.
Nice pic Salty! ;)
Did you have some Jewfish sandwiches?
If he h d any jewfish samiches now he's be eating egg samiches in jail lol ;D I he rd they are great eating. A senator is nothing like an avet, they don't break all the time!
That fish was caught before there ding a ling law(being smart butt) went into effect,we never saw a reduction in fish and I could take you to places in Fla. you could catch them till you passed out from exhaustion even when they said they were rare,now they are a real PITA.And yes they are just a grouper and make great sandwiches(even at that size) but haven't had any since they closed em down.That fish fed my family for around 2 years.I would pay 100.00 or more for a yearly tag for 1 fish if they would open it up.The reason why anglers don't catch em too much is most live were you can't tug there big rear end out of.
And here in Texas it's a dry balony samich three times a day with a sip of spoiled milk. ;)
All kidding a side if you want to test what your tackle can do throw a 20' 1000# aircraft cable your favorite hook and your strongest Rod and reel and go hook one of these and try to get em off the bottom, most of the really big guys get away after they have drug you on your knees around the boat a few times.I know several wrecks in South Fla. that when you dive the VW bugs come to see what you brought them and they are way bigger than that fish I caught.
Very Nice Buddy! That is Classic! ;D
Goon south Florida shark club and look :o they have those unlimited 9ft gators bent double on those fish :-[ ;D
I read a post that the SFSC adminstrator wrote, they were bringing in a 12 ft tiger and the fish tail whipped the fresh line, 600 mono, in a single swipe! He went to cable and never looked back. Plus cable is more resistant to pilings and crab traps.
How many times was that leader used in the past and how long had the tiger had to rub the coral.All the hub bub is where you have to learn to draw the line from the guys who have to have the biggest baddest stuff in the water when a 3 dollar rig will do.There is alot of mis information out there and I will tell you you will catch more sharks if you stay away from cable and use heavy wire.I remember when JAWS came out and take it at face value,I was 6 years old and drove my uncles boat for him when he used to run his lines on the weekends and summers for sharks.We would get 40 or 50 and had good days( and that was at 27-33 cents a pound)
Then the movie came out and I still remember to this day in sunny south Fla.every crazed ding a ling with a boat a rope a winch and a harpoon from the pier were all looking to kill a great white in 5' of water in the bay.It was that way for years, and we laughed, these guys had these thousands of dollars of tackle tens of thousands on boats and god knows what they were thinking they had goat,cow legs , chickens, you think it they put it out for bait for those mythical bloodthirsty monsters going to eat your child for breakfast sharks.
I have caught hundreds of sharks and I follow one rule, I keep it simple and always check my leaders.Always remember you will never get every fish you hook and no matter how hard you try line will break,swivels will fail,snap swivels will open and anything else you can imagine will happen on big fish and little ones too.I still remember a friend who swore he lost a 20' Tiger in Gordon pass Fla. but two days later I caught his leader in the mouth of a 7' hammer,that fish broke 200# mono and took 200 yards of line with the drag locked go figure he had spunk.The mono also broke 100' from the shark and he had a 30' 1000# aircraft cable attached to his 20/0 J hook and a 25# ray.He swam away no worse for ware.
In closing always remember these simple rules:
1.SUPER SHARP FRIGGIN HOOKS
2.Check yur mono frequently
3.Check your knots
4.Minimalize and you will catch more fish
5.Use surfcraft(use what you see,if the mullet are everywhere use them)
6.Have fun ;D ;D ;D ;D
Having fun is definateley the prority! The people whom I am speaking of are strictly monster hunters, they have caught many small sharks such as lemons and tippers. The 600 lb test mono was fresh and only took a single swipe from what I remember. If mono rubbs on crab traps, coral or barnacles, pilings, or telephone poles the line will part in seconds. Mono will work for sharks on the smaller/average side of the spectrum but when monster hunting or bridge sharking, I recommend a cable tail whip leader. And please don't say the people on the SFSC don't know what they are doing. They have caught many sharks and alot of them are monsters. I don't know them personally but they are hardcore and dedicated to their sport. They have alot of experience and knowledge under their belts. They are the most hardcore sharking site in my opinion. They are not like Texas Shark Fishing. Go check them out. They do some awesome stuff.
Sounds like a plug to me. I registered on Friday and my account is still not activated by the administrator. I just wanted to take a look, mainly about the 14/0 spools. I guess it takes a week to look.
Listen to SaltyDog. That is pure experience talking. Not something read on a blog.
SOS says to allow at least 2 weeks, maybe they were extra fast in your case. Also to fully become a member you have to pay 30 dollars, then you can join in there activities and tournaments and win prizes, etcetera. I'm not saying Salty dog's wrong, I'm simply saying that there is a reason people use cable tail whip leaders, if they don't they lose more sharks to crab traps and pilings. And no offense, but If I shouldn't listen listen and trust what the SFSC people say, then shouldn't I not listen to what Salty dog is saying? There's pure experience on both sides of the spectrum. Also Salty Dog fishes in texas from a boat, where there aren't coral reefs, telephone poles, craggly pilings, and dozens of crab traps. Also manuvering around snags is an option with a boat, its alot harder from bridge or beach.
Do you get what I'm saying? Not that mono leaders do not work, I'm saying that for monster hunting, especially around areas with lots of snags, cable tail whip leaders will lose you less fish. Heavy mono tail whip leaders will work, but cable is the way to go monster hunting in Florida. Does anybody understand what I'm saying?
Yes I do but from 30 years of experiance you avoid those places because you will loose with a true monster.He knows every rock,piling and snag where he haunts but there is another way.Those monsters have huge territories,what you have to do is look for them cruising in areas where they can be caught.We used to climb coconut trees and watch for big one swimming and sometimes you can see a pattern,now most areas have big buildings,a perfect vantage point to look for cruising fish.Don't let them fool you alot of big sharks have areas the hunt and when you find one,use it.
SURFCRAFT
I guess you missed where most of my fishing has been the last 30 something years, AKA South Floridia, when I wasn't on the boat I fished the beach for money,remember I commercial fished for my rent, food,clothing and everything else I did from the beach.And yes alot was from a boat but I have been fishing the beaches and piers there until some snow birds made it illegal or just uncomfortable to fish.At least where I live in Texas now it is unlawful even by a peace officer to harrass a fisherman or hunter,I quit spending my money the last few years in Fla. because every time I put out a line I was harrassed several times a day by law enforcement even when I was 2 miles down the beach from anyone.Now if you have to pay to belong to a site so you can belong hey it's a free country,but most of those places go the way of the dodo because it ALWAYS becomes about the EGO's of site administrators and others who always have to be the best at everything.I have no ego about shark fishing because I know what I have caught and seen,but I am willing to give my 30+ years of knowledge for free with no affiliations or showmanship to anyone who asks and I have a few guys I am teaching in the Dallas area right now.
Plus in Texas we have old cars,houses,oil stem pipes,from a hundred years of hurricanes scattered all up and down the Texas coast.Now that I am not able to get around so well I have switched my approach for this next year to go after large sharks on 50# or less gear and try to break some records in the line class catagories,which is easier on me but is probably gonna cause me alot of heartache too.And most of my fishing in Texas is in the surf or from a kayak.
I know alot of people might think I am arrogant but I am a very quiet guy who loves fishing and will do anything for a fellow angler,I am going to start fly fishing classes this winter and hope to introduce more to the sport that doesn't just take it gives back.If you have any questions don't be afraid to ask,and that goes for anyone.
William
Quote from: saltydog on October 01, 2013, 12:12:34 AM
If you have any questions don't bother to ask,and that goes for anyone.
William
Yo William, are you saying I'm not allowed to ask you a question ??? and I thought I was your friend :-\ ;D
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I guess you missed where most of my fishing has been the last 30 something years, AKA South Florida, I have no ego about shark fishing because I know what I have caught and seen,but I am willing to give my 30+ years of knowledge for free with no affiliations or showmanship to anyone who asks
William
Bingo! Don't let this guy upset you William.
I have had enough.
No Sal it was a miss wording,a little tired haven't slept in a few days.Ask anything, I will answer or find someone who can.I fixed it Sal sorry just drowsy.
That don't bother me, alot of what it is is excitement and drive,I know how it can be I had the itch real bad for about the first ten years of sharking but learned what does and doesnt work through trial and error.
I wish I could still use the 14/0 and 16/0 but my body wont take it anymore after surgery so I am going the lighter route to keep up with my passion,sharkin.
Most of my gear has shrunk down to a 50 INT and smaller,lookin for another 114H because mine is an aniverssary reel in the box and with what they are worth I would rather not use it.I tanked a 112H,113H both standard width,A 113H narrow JVariance conversion tanked, a
500 jigmaster Newell conversion with all the goodies,a 50 INT, Fin nor 6500OS and a Shimano 12000D.Like I said I'm goin to the Darkside of sharkin,the light side.
William
Quote from: saltydog on September 30, 2013, 07:16:14 AM
At the time 6'1" and 250.
Ahem? Salty I believe most things you say but take another look at that photograph. :D :D Dominick
I am 6'1" and 272 right now,and I still have a belly but well you know thats probably all the fried fish Capt. Morgan and a good wife.Need to work on that. ::) ::) ::) ;D
Quote from: saltydog on October 01, 2013, 12:33:55 AM
No Sal it was a miss wording
I knew that, just playing around with you ;).
;D ;D ;D ;D
I know you have no ego, all of you are great people! Bridge fishing might be considered foolish by some, but it is still thrilling and possible to land monsters with the approiate tackle and technique. I doubt not your experience and really appreciate the help you put into this site, but I'm just defending a technique. And I know all about the egos people have on shark fishing sites, but the SFSC is a fine group of folks, and people shouldn't generalize. If you don't want to pay and become a member of the site then that's your decision, I respect it, as well as you. You haven't slept in several days? Shoot!
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I guess you missed where most of my fishing has been the last 30 something years, AKA South Florida, I have no ego about shark fishing because I know what I have caught and seen,but I am willing to give my 30+ years of knowledge for free with no affiliations or showmanship to anyone who asks
William
Bingo! Don't let this guy upset you William.
I have had enough.
I hope i'm not upsetting anybody. Sorry, if i've gone overboard, some people have their ways of doing things and both of our ways work, just in different situations. That is the point i've been trying to drive home.
I don't get upset about much well maybe if the Zin runs out ;D
From my experiance the simpler the rig the more strikes you will get and the less metal you present the larger the sharks you will eventually hook,now with anything ,like fishing all things change and yet they stay the same.I know those sites are great but if you look close it's all about those tournaments and special things they can offer,the hook is in and off they go, it's really in the end all about the money,why do you think they charge?JMO
William
I'm glad we're on good terms! The $30 is for mainly the barbecues and tournament. Largest fish of the year wins the Triple Crown Prize and you take home a trophy and some cash. You can participate in the Big Hammer Challenge tourny as well. Really the money goes into the club and memers, not the administrator, he has a seperate job. I understand your being wary, though. Too many fishing sites these days aren't about fishing......
So true.