Reel Repair by Alan Tani

This pole will determine if it's financially feasable for me to do a run of thin metal washers for the creation of this set.

If yes, please note how many sets you would be interested in purchasing.

Thank you.

I have one..... ;D  It works well.

Yes! I would get one for sure

Beings how I'm not willing to mill my Black Pearl gears, this would be fantastic.
Ron

You have my vote

I would be in for 3 sets for the 113H

Bryan, I'm in for at least 3sets.
Bob

Could probably use two sets, although some of my friends could use several more.

How many sets do you need to run?

I will take 2 sets for 113H, let me know if you are also making them for a 114H.

Joel8080

Please put me down for a set.

Mahalo

Quote from: Makule on September 05, 2013, 07:16:25 PM
Could probably use two sets, although some of my friends could use several more.

How many sets do you need to run?

There is not set amount of sets I need to run, but the more sets, the more affordable it becomes as set-up costs are distributed among a larger number.

I am going ahead with cutting the metal washers.  The CAD designs are with the cutter and am awaiting delivery.

I am also cutting thin metal washers for squidders (6-60 size), 113 (6-113 size), and 114 (6-114 size) in limited quantities.

Brian,
I am interested in the 113H, 113, and 114.
John

Bryan, how much max drag can realistically be expected from the drag configuration.

Leo

For the 113H, in stock, you can get an average of 4.5# per carbon fiber washer. Based on pure anticipated calculations, I'd say around 30# 

bryan put me down for 1 set of 113H and 1 for squidder(future project). thanks!

Bryan, you can put me down for 1 set initially and depending on price I will definitely need 2 more if available.

Leo

Put me down for 1 set depending  on price might need 3 sets !

Bula Bryan,
Can't figure out how to add my vote -YES

I'm in for 2 sets...

Mahalo

I'll take 2 sets
TomT

Hi bryan   If you do the squidder washers I would take 2 sets of 5 washer

Hello everyone, I'm having problems installing the 7+1 drag stack on my 113 h.. I'm having trouble with the eared washer. I put the thick carbontex, keyed washer, thick carbontex. And the eared washer won't go in evenly one side will slide sown perfect but the other side stays lifted, should i force it in  ??? ... IV tried all 3 eared washers same result. In putting them in a black pearl 4:1 gear

Can you post a pick of the thick, keyed, then thick washer?  I'm wondering if that gear is not drilled as deep as my BP gears to accomodate the ears.

Quote from: Bryan Young on January 07, 2014, 01:03:37 AM
Can you post a pick of the thick, keyed, then thick washer?  I'm wondering if that gear is not drilled as deep as my BP gears to accomodate the ears.

Hi Bryan,

My 113H main gear is drilled the same depth. Can he install the standard way as original PENN main gear? If it fit, then it is not the main gear problem. We should try to trouble shooting.

My laptop just broke down 2 days ago. So is there any way I could post pics through my phone?

From what I could see when I place all three eared washers on a flat surface, the ears don't line up. one ear is higher than the other one, and the gear holes are lined up perfectly. I don't know if I make sense not quite sure how  to explain it.   :-[

Quote from: garking84 on January 07, 2014, 01:48:41 AM
My laptop just broke down 2 days ago. So is there any way I could post pics through my phone?

From what I could see when I place all three eared washers on a flat surface, the ears don't line up. one ear is higher than the other one, and the gear holes are lined up perfectly. I don't know if I make sense not quite sure how  to explain it.   :-[

Is possible that you may have that one bad washer out of the bunch. Play email me picb so I can see what's the issue and fix it. Thanks.

i had the same issue with the eared washers but took a file to the ears for a few hits and it went in snug.

IV just send the pictures to your email. Hope you could see what's wrong or if I'm doing something wrong.

Maxpowers, I think your right because from what I could see one of the ears looks fatter than the other one

Quote from: garking84 on January 07, 2014, 04:06:12 AM
IV just send the pictures to your email. Hope you could see what's wrong or if I'm doing something wrong.

Maxpowers, I think your right because from what I could see one of the ears looks fatter than the other one

Here are the pictures from GarKing84

GarKing84,

I see what you are talking about.  It seems like the ears are a little long.  I'll send you a new set of eared washers.

Just to confirm, the installation is as follows:

Gear
Thick Carbontex
Keyed Washer
Thick Carbontex
Eared Washer,...

Well, frankly, with BP SS gears, it doesn't matter where those thick carbontex washers are located because there's no step as in the photo below.  the first gear is BS SS gears the second is a newell SS gear.

I also checked the remaining 120 eared washers that I have and all 120 slid into BP's gears without a problem as seen in the photos below.

GarKing84, I'm sorry for the trouble.  New washers are bing sent to you tomorrow.

Bryan

It happens to the best of us Bryan. You are right on top of it! ;)

Wow those do go in easily its definitely these washers. Thanks for sending new washers and no problem Bryan, I had no plans of fishing soon I have a lot of work..  once again thanks

Bryan thanks for the new eared washers just recieved them. New washers same problem these washers didn't seem to fix the problem. Don't know what it could be, any recommendations? Should I file the ears until they fit?

You may want to file down the washers. Without inspecting both together is hard to determine what is happening.

Ok ill try to file them down. washers are exactly the same, ears are same length. So im guessing it might be something with the gear just how you said. Because I tried fitting the eared washers in the 4:1 ss gear from Ebay and they fitted perfectly. unfortunately I sold it because I  did not like that gear because it had something coming of the gear and I read bad reviews on it,  which is why I upgraded to a bp gear which I do like better just having problems.

If you think the issue is with the gears then I would PM Alan. He has proven to be a stand up guy and will take care of you.
Ron

I'll try filling the washers and see if I could make them work. If I can't get it right , I'll take your suggestion and contact Alan.

Thanks

garking,

just hit the ears with a bit of filing and they will fit snugly...  I did it for the BP gears I got thru Dawn and the progear 541 is putting out more drags than I can reasonably use.

It's funny. I tried the washers on 2 of BP gears, stock, Newell, and accurate with no issues. I'm curious as to why the washer is hanging up.

Garking, if you're testing just the metal eared washers, they would never work, black pearls gears are not drilled all the way down and they don't need to be.
Try this, install a carbon fiber washer first, then the keyed metal and then another carbon fiber, you are now at grove height, the next eared washer and the rest should go in nicely.

Finally I got them to go in  :)  . This is what I was trying thick carbontex, keyed washer, thick carbontex. And then I tried every eared washer I had 6 in total neither would fit.  They would all go down one side easily and stay hanging on the other  >:( .  I filed the ears on one washer and it fell right in , so I filed the rest and all of them went in.  reel feels really smooth can't wait to get a fish at the end of my line.  maxpowers, I should have listened to you a week ago.

Thanks to everyone for all the help

I'm glad you got it to work.

Yeah that's fine, but we still don't know what was wrong. I checked (4) Black Pearl gears with your washers and they all went in, well not at the base, but the base doesn't get eared washer. Sanding the ears if fine, but over sanding a little more than needed  could cause problems :-\.
I'm glad it worked out for you garking.

Funny because my BP gears are drilled all the way to the base. Maybe mine is an exception. Picture of my BP gears are posted in a previous post on this thread.

Looks like you got a special batch, I knew he liked you better, but mine are 5% stronger :P.
My main gears look exactly like Accurate.
I'm still trying to figure out why some drill those all the way down :-\

Well at least you all got the good stuff.   ;D   

Alto mare, what kind of problems are we talking about? Because i'm pretty sure I didn't file all of them the same way. Some may have longer or shorter ears

Working themselves out of the grove under stress. If you didn't really overdo it, don't worry, you should be fine.

I got the production batch of that makes any sense.

Quote from: Bryan Young on January 12, 2014, 03:45:25 AM
Funny because my BP gears are drilled all the way to the base. Maybe mine is an exception. Picture of my BP gears are posted in a previous post on this thread.

Hi Bryan,

I really don't think they are mine because my main gear does not drill all the way. I also checked my remaining 113H main gears, and none of them is drilled all the way.

Quote from: Black Pearl on January 12, 2014, 04:14:38 AM

Quote from: Bryan Young on January 12, 2014, 03:45:25 AM
Funny because my BP gears are drilled all the way to the base. Maybe mine is an exception. Picture of my BP gears are posted in a previous post on this thread.

Hi Bryan,

I really don't think they are mine because my main gear does not drill all the way. I also checked my remaining 113H main gears, and none of them is drilled all the way.

Also, that gear in the picture is not shiny. I think it is more like a Newell.

The top picture not the bottom. The bottom picture is a Newell. The top is what I got from you.

My newels are cut the same, groves don't go all the way down.

Its the magical mystery gear!  ::)

I just discovered that 2 kits were sent out with 6 drag washers instead of 8.  Please let me know who you are so that I can get you the missing carbontex washers.  Sorry for the inconvenience.

Bryan

One will probably be mine.... that defines the term "getting Fiji'd"   ;D ;D

Bula Erik, can your buddy check when they arrive?  Should have 7 metals washers and 8 carbon fiber washers.  Mahalo bradah.

Bryan

I'll pass it on bra... vinaka.. will let you know. 

Does anyone have a problem with the eared washers bending?  I have 1 washer that is severely bent.  I think I can pound it back out.

Guys I do something a little different on my spacing in the gear. Since I cut a lot of my own CFs I start with .6mm CF for 3 and then finish using two .5mm CFs and they stack nice.
In my larger reels I would use 5 of the .6mm CF and then two .5mm CF for a 7 stack.
I think by using the .6 in the bottom two layers that I make sure my eared washer does not bottom out.

I put Bryans kit in my accurate gears all is good.I haven't got to try I'm on anything huge yet,but I will let everyone know after ny first 40-50 pound amberjack and Cobie I catch this spring 8)

Quote from: maxpowers on January 28, 2014, 10:55:09 PM
Does anyone have a problem with the eared washers bending?  I have 1 washer that is severely bent.  I think I can pound it back out.

you have a bending on one of my sets?

Quote from: Newell Nut on January 28, 2014, 11:40:05 PM
Guys I do something a little different on my spacing in the gear. Since I cut a lot of my own CFs I start with .6mm CF for 3 and then finish using two .5mm CFs and they stack nice.
In my larger reels I would use 5 of the .6mm CF and then two .5mm CF for a 7 stack.
I think by using the .6 in the bottom two layers that I make sure my eared washer does not bottom out.

Bullseye!  x 2  ...when i looked closely at my gear, i wondered how that first eared washer wouldn't bottom out... I did the same thing, thicker CF on the bottom 2, thinner on top.