Poll
Question:
How many of you would be interested in a 7+1 drag set for your Penn 114H?
Option 1: Yes
votes: 17
Option 2: No
votes: 1
This pole will determine if it's financially feasable for me to do a run of thin metal washers for the creation of this set.
If yes, please note how many sets you would be interested in purchasing.
Thank you.
Hello Bryan,
I would give this 7 stack a try. It should also work for a Penn 9/0, correct ??
John
I'm in
Quote from: john2244 on September 05, 2013, 12:43:08 AM
Hello Bryan,
I would give this 7 stack a try. It should also work for a Penn 9/0, correct ??
John
Yes, it would also work for the 9/0 reels as well. All the washers are a lot thicker in the 6/0 and 9/0 reel. It may even be possible for a 9 stack. Only saying.
Didn't Sal put a 9 stack in his 10/0?
Count me in
Quote from: Bunnlevel Sharker on September 05, 2013, 12:48:22 AM
Didn't Sal put a 9 stack in his 10/0?
I can actually get 10 and yes the last eared washer does catch. I believe Justin mentioned something like it but I'm not sure if he said 9 or 10.
There is a very good chance that I can squeeze one more CF washer and make it 11. I did not place the gear in the reel yet, but can't see why it wouldn't work.
Here you go:
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/010_zps7be581b2.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/010_zps7be581b2.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/013_zps18b9c237.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/013_zps18b9c237.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/012_zpsd11ff03c.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/012_zpsd11ff03c.jpg.html)
I did not test these yet, but I'm sure they will do a good job. The reel should feel much smoother.
You guys need to slow down a bit ::), we're moving from one thing to another, non stop. ;D
Bryan are we voting on 114H or 113 in the poll? Dominick
I think someone has fat fingers, this should be 114H. It looks like one of Allen's elves fixed it. ;D
Sal, what kept you from putting the 11th washer in the stack?
Nothing at all, I was thinking of the title,114h at the time. 11 washers will work in the 10/0 using .75mm laminated CF washers and standard 1.70mm stainless steel washers, not the older ones.
I believe we could go over 20 if you make 1mm ss washers.
We might have to move this 10/0 to a fresh post, you know how to do it better than me.
I don't want to get in the way of Bryan's 114H thread.
I have a 114h bought new in '07. What does the 7+1 drag set do for it and would I then need to upgrade other parts?
Kent
Bryan, I'm in for at least a set. JA, the 1+7 drag stack would let the reel produce more drag. At the same drag settings as the stock drag it should be smoother also. To use higher drag settings than the stock reel you should at least have a steel or stainless steel main gear. The brass gears would be a weak link and could strip. I would also put in a stainless gear sleeve and a one piece frame. A longer handle arm would also help. Stainless dogs are also available from Alan or Keta. Bob
Quote from: Pescachaser on September 05, 2013, 02:14:26 AM
Bryan are we voting on 144H or 113 in the poll? Dominick
Two separate poles. I've been asked and want to see what the interest is before I lay out cold hard cash to get this done. Washers are already designed. I need to know the interest to then determine the quantity then price per sent by the cutter.
I would be in for one set of the 114H.
I could use 1 set for a 114H
I'll take a set for the 114H. Dominick
I'd be in for one
I'm down for at least 5 sets Bryan. :P
Put me down for two (2) sets.
I'd be in for a 114H set!
I might be, depends on the price, however.
I would like a set.
John
I'm in for 2 sets
Joel
Okay guys, what if this turned out to be a 9+1 stack? I'm still doing some calculations but it appears that I can arrange for a 9+1 stack in the 114H?
The more the better. From what I've seen, more disks make for a smoother drag. If you don't want that much drag then you just don't tighten the star that much. I think the extra drag would be great for the bigger reel that uses this gear.
Ron
Does that mean thinner drag discs? Or thinner washers? If its the washers, I'm in.
Sal sent me a 11 stack setup for a 116A. I am sure it will be silky smooth, but I'm concerned about longevity of the drag washers fighting a big fish. The washers are standard, but the drags are thinner.
It'll be thinner metal drag washers and more of them to distribute the load. Heat wise, it will generate more heat, thats for sure, if you are using higher drag settings, but if you say in a normal range, let's say, the amount of heat should be the same, except balanced throught distributed differently through the drag stack in comparison to thicker, and less number of washers.
Quote from: Bryan Young on October 11, 2013, 10:22:14 PM
Okay guys, what if this turned out to be a 9+1 stack? I'm still doing some calculations but it appears that I can arrange for a 9+1 stack in the 114H?
If you came up with a 9 stack I would go for it. Dominick
I'm with Dom. My normal range is full lock down if I'm trying to stop a Big Shark!
I know it sounds easy, but when a big fish is on, I want to have the advantage, Not him.
I can't just stay in the normal range when my line is peeling off, and I'm fishing from shore.
I think we should keep it a 9 stack. ;)
I like the idea of a 9 stack in my 9/0
x2 ;)
Any updates on this project Bryan?
I am going ahead with cutting the metal washers. The CAD designs are with the cutter and am awaiting delivery.
Any Idea what this is going to cost per set? Are we just buying washers for a 9 stack, or is it going to be a kit with drags and washers?
It'll be both. For those that like to tinker, I will sell just the washers. For those that want a set for straight installation, it will be a set.
Sounds good Bryan. Just let me know when they are ready. I'm down for a couple sets.
bryan, put me on the list for one set and another 7 CF. my next project will be 114H. done with the 3/0 and 4/0 except dbl dogs still deciding bet sync or alt.
That's great Bryan,
These washers would be great for making huge drag in Alan's Hex gears.
Ron
awe, I forgot about the hex drags...am I going to run out of keyed washers?
The washers should be like potato chips;
"Use all you want, Bryan will make more."
Ron
Forgot about the Hex Drags! These are the hottest thing to come along besides my Everol!
Everyone needs to Thank Chui for making these for us. These are going to be legendary for pushing the 114H to its limits! Thanks to Bryan as well for making these washers for us! ;D
Yummy! ...4 sets, please ;)
Send me a PM when they're ready
Dom
Quote from: Alto Mare on September 05, 2013, 01:55:39 AM
Quote from: Bunnlevel Sharker on September 05, 2013, 12:48:22 AM
Didn't Sal put a 9 stack in his 10/0?
I can actually get 10 and yes the last eared washer does catch. I believe Justin mentioned something like it but I'm not sure if he said 9 or 10.
There is a very good chance that I can squeeze one more CF washer and make it 11. I did not place the gear in the reel yet, but can't see why it wouldn't work.
Here you go:
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/010_zps7be581b2.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/010_zps7be581b2.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/013_zps18b9c237.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/013_zps18b9c237.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/012_zpsd11ff03c.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/012_zpsd11ff03c.jpg.html)
I did not test these yet, but I'm sure they will do a good job. The reel should feel much smoother.
You guys need to slow down a bit ::), we're moving from one thing to another, non stop. ;D
Sal,
Are your CF's stock HT-100's for this 10 stack? Are the washers .20 like the one Bryan just made available?
Those should be (11) carbon washers just add one more, you have lots of room there.
the metal washers are stock from Scotts and the carbon washers are the laminated ones from Erik, I believe .75mm....can't remember.
Bryan's thin washers are great, but I'm not sure they would do from the 4/0 and up, did anyone try those yet on larger reels?
Well, I guess I'll be finding out. I'm going a different route. Stock HT-100's and thinner washers.
That's what it's all about, experimenting ;). Let me warn you, experimenting is not cheap, I could have had a couple of 16/0's new from parts that I've messed up along the way. The last was my custom Tuna rod that cost me $250 used. I need to slow down with this stuff. :-\
Yes,
I know. 33 bucks a reel just for the washers! :o
I plan on using these on a 114H and a 9/0. Maybe put a set in Chui's 9/0 gears.
Me, I've been controlling myself. This is all I have bought in the last two months. ;D
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_2141_zps8f305d05.jpg)
Three 12's, two 10's and two 114H's. Oh yea, The Everol 14/0 two speed, Black Pearl Gears, Lee's Awesome Stainless Steel Arms, Alan's Handles..... ;D
Wow, in the last 2 months, wonderful.
And I'm overjoyed by finding one 12/0 in 18 months!
Mike.
They are out there Mike. ;)
Have you cracked the everol yet? Or tested its drag curve against the scale? Great reel, they are solid too but definately benefit from an upgraded drag and regular servicing.
Daron, what did you do with all the $$ befor joining this forum. Are the kids now submitting for student loans ;D I see the disease is progressing nicely ;) ;D
Bob
All my kids are grown Bob. My work is forcing me into a higher Tax Bracket. Its Just Terrible! ;)
Mike, I am sure some of the Sellers on Ebay will ship Internationally. If you really want something, I can ship it to you. I have a couple I could spare.
When I collect something, wether it be Guns, Reels or anything else. I have a simple rule I go by. When I don't know how many I have, that's enough! ;)
Quote from: Tightlines666 on November 29, 2013, 10:21:23 AM
Have you cracked the everol yet? Or tested its drag curve against the scale? Great reel, they are solid too but definately benefit from an upgraded drag and regular servicing.
How do you Upgrade the Drag in a Brand New Everol?
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 29, 2013, 08:13:37 PM
All my kids are grown Bob. My work is forcing me into a higher Tax Bracket. Its Just Terrible! ;)
Mike, I am sure some of the Sellers on Ebay will ship Internationally. If you really want something, I can ship it to you. I have a couple I could spare.
When I collect something, wether it be Guns, Reels or anything else. I have a simple rule I go by. When I don't know how many I have, that's enough! ;)
Hi Daron,
Thank you for the kind offer, I will see how the fund are in the new year, not finished renovating the bungalow yet!!
Can't push the good lady too much!
Mike.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 29, 2013, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on November 29, 2013, 10:21:23 AM
Have you cracked the everol yet? Or tested its drag curve against the scale? Great reel, they are solid too but definately benefit from an upgraded drag and regular servicing.
How do you Upgrade the Drag in a Brand New Everol?
My bad. Guess it's already upgraded :)
I guess I was wondering if the drag scale on the new ones w/Carbontex drag matched the scale on the side plate. When I recently upgraded an older one w/ wet Carbontex the new drag performed better, but the printed scale was off. The new ones have the same scale but different drag material so not sure how they maintained the old drag curve. Are the new ones wet, or dry outta the factory? Just curious.
QuoteMy bad. Guess it's already upgraded :)
I guess I was wondering if the drag scale on the new ones w/Carbontex drag matched the scale on the side plate. When I recently upgraded an older one w/ wet Carbontex the new drag performed better, but the printed scale was off. The new ones have the same scale but different drag material so not sure how they maintained the old drag curve. Are the new ones wet, or dry outta the factory? Just curious.
Yes, the scale matches quite closely; special attention was paid to this when the change to new drag material was made. They come dry from the factory; there isn't much difference when wet.
There are a few important measurements to take into account if attempting to modify one- a deviation in thickness in one place may very well lead to a deviation in the drag scale later on, even if the scale and drag effect remain completely linear over its range. So special attention is needed there.
.
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Well said Robert! Thank You!
Everybody wants me to crack this open. I see no reason to.
Its a brand new Everol for crying out loud! ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 30, 2013, 01:18:07 AM
Well said Robert! Thank You!
Everybody wants me to crack this open. I see no reason to.
Its a brand new Everol for crying out loud! ;)
Leave it alone. Everol hasn't changed their design in ages (maybe a few parts here and there, but no major changes). One can even take an old single speed, and convert it to a dual speed with parts that they provide/sell.
Is anyone seriously interested in a 14/0 single speed Everol? A guy in a local shop has one he'll sell for $500. I haven't taken it apart, but know that the sleeve ball bearing is shot and needs to be replaced with a bronze/brass bushing (what Everol recommends instead of a BB, and what I've done to a friend's reel).
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 30, 2013, 01:18:07 AM
Well said Robert! Thank You!
Everybody wants me to crack this open. I see no reason to.
Its a brand new Everol for crying out loud! ;)
You ought to do a pre-use service to ensure that all screws and internal metal parts are coated with a light coat of grease to save you the hardship later on. ::)
Then, while you are at it, you can post pics for our curious minds. ;D
Well, I tried a 7 stack in a regular 114H black pearl gear, I could only get in 6 with the Stock Penn HT-100's.
I am hoping the 114H and 115L stock gears are taller to make a 10 stack happen with Bryan's Washers without having to go custom on the CF's.
I don't have any other gears handy at the moment. They are all in my reels. I don't know what the thickness of the stock HT-100's are. I'm getting a new battery for my micrometer tomorrow!
I placed a stock penn 5 stack next to a seven stack with Bryan's washers and they are the same height.
I guess I need to just add another CF and a keyed and I am set with the seven.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_21591_zps9b0760d7.jpg)
If that keyed washer fits in the gear then I agree, your all set. I bet you could do 2 more with Carbontex washers.
Ron
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 03, 2013, 05:52:34 AM
Well, I tried a 7 stack in a regular 114H black pearl gear, I could only get in 6 with the Stock Penn HT-100's.
I am hoping the 114H and 115L stock gears are taller to make a 10 stack happen with Bryan's Washers without having to go custom on the CF's.
I don't have any other gears handy at the moment. They are all in my reels. I don't know what the thickness of the stock HT-100's are. I'm getting a new battery for my micrometer tomorrow!
I placed a stock penn 5 stack next to a seven stack with Bryan's washers and they are the same height.
I guess I need to just add another CF and a keyed and I am set with the seven.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_21591_zps9b0760d7.jpg)
That looks perfect. The last eared washer is usually flushed with the top of the gear with the last CF and keyed metal washer above the gear.
Quote from: noyb72 on December 03, 2013, 06:51:09 AM
If that keyed washer fits in the gear then I agree, your all set. I bet you could do 2 more with Carbontex washers.
Ron
What do you think of this statement Bryan? The only Carbontex drags I've used are the smaller ones that go under the main gear. I think buying sheets of CF would be more economical. Which should I use?
.070, .090 or 1.0? Any input Guys?
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 03, 2013, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: noyb72 on December 03, 2013, 06:51:09 AM
If that keyed washer fits in the gear then I agree, your all set. I bet you could do 2 more with Carbontex washers.
Ron
What do you think of this statement Bryan? The only Carbontex drags I've used are the smaller ones that go under the main gear. I think buying sheets of CF would be more economical. Which should I use?
.070, .090 or 1.0? Any input Guys?
Hi Daron,
#6-115 HT-100 drag washers are approximately 1.33 mm thick. You were able to fit 6 HT-100s with 6 metal washers. That will put the gear depth about 11 mm.
So, if you switched to 0.76 mm thick washers, it's possible for your to create 8 CF washers in the gear (8 x 0.76 = 6.08 mm) and 8 metal washer (8 x 0.5 = 4 mm thick) for a total depth of 10.1 mm in the gear. You may need to add a washer or two on the top of the stack to fill in the gap. I would personally use 4 CF washers that are 1.0 mm thick and 4 CF washers that are 0.76 mm thick to fill the gap.
Let's see if you can fit 10 in the gear if you use 0.5 mm thick CF washers. 10 CF washers (10 x 0.5 = 5 mm) and 10 metal washers (10 x 0.5 = 5) for a total of 10 mm in the gear. I would personally use 4 CF washer 0.76 mm thick and 6 CF washer 0.5 mm thick; or 2 CF washers 1.0 mm thick and 8 CF washer 0.5 mm thick to fill in the gap.
This may also vary depending if the groves for the ears are drilled all the way down or not in the main gear.
Bryan
Wow!
Thanks Bryan. You just saved me some time!
And don't forget the last CF and keyed washer on the top of the drag stack. ;D
I'm so very interested to hear how it works out. Be careful...that shark may take you water skiing all the way to PR.
The great thing about this stack is that it fits both reels. I'm currently building a trolling set based on the 114HLW aluminum frame. I would like to use the hex drags, but am afrade they will be long gone by the time I'm in the market. With Alan's gears and this drag stack I should have more than enough drag for anything I'd want to troll for in Hawaii.
Ron
You could fit (11) .50mm washers in the 5-114H using Bryan's custom washers.
I do have doubts that they will hold up at those setting though, they do flex. We will need to see how they do, and I don't mean by testing on land, well except for the surfers. You guys know what I mean, we need to see what happens when a nice fish is on.
Sal,
I Just talked to Eric. Well, didn't really talk, I sent him a message. Is The regular .70 sheet he sells the laminated sheet? I told him that you got some .75 laminated washers from him. he just replied that he sells the .70 sheet. I want two 8"x8".
Well, I've decided to stick with the 7 stack. I am afraid that when a 10 stack gets rolling, it will chew up the thin CF's like a blender. I got me 2, 8"x8" sheets of .120 from Eric. That's pretty close to the stock HT-100's and will feel more confident with this setup. Plus I can use these sheets for all my monster reels.
the 0.5 mm CF washers would be fine. But, I am able to get 28# of drag from the stock 5 +1 set-up and predict you could get 35# of drag with a 7+1 set-up. That is plenty of drag. What would you do with 45 to 50# of drag anyway? Water sking anyone?
Exactly Bryan!
No need to fix it if it ain't broken. ;)