Well, I haven't caught that 12 footer yet, but this one wasn't too shabby. The 12/0 made quick work of this big Black tip. He is one mean fish! ;)
Nice shot Daron, way to go! Glad to see you're having fun. I can't tell from the picture, is that a 357 magnum in your left hand? ;D
Keep them coming Buddy.
Sal
That's my Dehooker Buddy! LOL :D
Nice fish, keep em coming.
Great. More, more. Dominick
A dehooker??? I thought you were tough. Just reach on in and take back what's yours. :D :D Dominick
You only do that once Dom. ;) ;D
Salty: I knew a guy in my old neighborhood with 2 fingers missing on his left hand. He was a mob guy and a loan shark. His nickname was Three Fingered Frank. When we were kids there was a lot of speculation on how he lost those fingers. Maybe he was a shark fisherman. :-\ For a while he was partners with Patty One Leg. True story. Dom ask your Uncle Dom about these guys if you don't believe it. Dominick
;D ;D ;D ;D
I will take what's mine back very carefully Dom. My boy kayaked baits out for these beauties about 100 yards offshore. This is a smaller one, but he was mighty feisty. He took off on a slow roll. I let him run about 20 seconds before engaging the drag. I thought it was something much bigger. We are heading home tomorrow.
We caught several more, but none as big as the first. It was quite an experience.
GREAT POST. LOOKS LIKE FUN.
Nice shark, nothing like surf fishing for sharks. You get two adrenaline rushes, one on the first run when you dont know how big it is and if you can stop it. the second one when you get em back in the water without getting bit.
Now a photo of the rod and reel used to catch the sharks with :)
Regards,
Dan
Penn 12/0 Senator on a Davis 130 to 160 lb 5,1/2' roller rod. 130 lb test Exsum Monofilament. Straight Mono, no backing, no braid. custom leader I made myself. 20/0 Mustad Circle, 8 ' 480lb cable, 25' 400 lb shock leader with 2 0z sliding trace weight.
Click to watch video. after the camera gets sat down on the Kayak. That's it.(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/th_Blacktipvideo_zps2abfbc44.jpg) (http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/Blacktipvideo_zps2abfbc44.mp4)
Davis rod are inexpensive, They are not the best, you need to maintain the rollers regularly. Complete disassemble and lube with corrosion X. Other guys say to use grease. The Corrosion X makes them pretty smooth. You have to keep them out of the sand! This rod is a broomstick! It hardly bends at all. I made quick work of these Two Blacktips with it. The Aftco fighting harness is a must.. Once your clipped onto the reel, its game on! This is the first nice shark I have caught. It took a lot of research and preparation. He wasn't out of the water for 60 seconds tops. A local came by as I released it and said, I guess this is not your guys first shark. I said "actually it is!"
Fish On!
dang, thats how the water are in kentucky.......texas surf is rough, ur water looks like lake water almost, and the fact that u only kayak 100yds.....texas 300-400yds is normal , no wonder u can use a 2oz weight, some times i just tie a big rock about the size of a basketball with 30lb mono to the eye of the hook, thats the only way to keep it still for hours, and then when the shark bits it cuts the mono instantly
I'm used to aluminum angle on surf rod holders. Do you guys just pound PVC pipe into the sand?
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on September 23, 2013, 05:16:47 AM
I'm used to aluminum angle on surf rod holders. Do you guys just pound PVC pipe into the sand?
Ron
I was going to comment on that also, if a bronze whaler picks you up a pvc pipe like that will end up in the sea. We use stainless steel 10-12mm round bar about 1.2m with stainless rod holder welded on. You can drive it deep into the sand and it can bend. The aluminium angle iron ones buckle badly after a while. those sharks must have done some water skiing with that heavy tackle!
::) ::) ::) thanks for sharing...
The rod holders are hammered into the sand about a foot with a rubber mallet. The rods are set with 2 to 3 lbs of drag with the clicker on. When its time to pack up, they come right out. I've tried the spikes, and I think this is the way to go. The Sharks weren't skiing. They were pulling hard! I like to have the upper hand. I'm not messing around. I had a 14/0 with me I didn't even use.
Quote from: Pescachaser on September 21, 2013, 08:01:22 PM
A dehooker??? I thought you were tough. Just reach on in and take back what's yours. :D :D Dominick
Lee's signature line says, "A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can in no other way". Same thing for a guy who sticks his hand in a live shark's mouth to remove a hook.
Right on Makule and Lee. Dangerous business messing with sharks. The shark in the video gets two guys. This is not how you get a hook out of a sharks mouth. All jokes aside use a dehooking mechanism. The shark does not actually bite the hand off but it does put a hurting on it. Dominick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5kUA4jAdOM
Maybe they don't need to be shark fishing if they don't have a dehooker or a pair of plyers, DOH!!!!!!
I quote Ghost Busters.
"That was really stupid."
Ron
The little ones are mean little devils! Dehooker and bolt cutters! ;)
Especially those little Blacktips and Hammerheads, they have no problem biting you holding there tail, speaking from experience of a 12" hammer that did a tail spin on me and left me holding his hammers off me with my hands. No fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RjEueNYK4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPHJ5z9j99w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m88woeW4vHA
Some youtube clips illustrating our shark tackle and techniques in South Africa
i watched all three videos. impressive!!!!
Looks like my post is getting Hi-jacked by some guys with a TV Show. I don't mean any disrespect, but your techniques are going to cost you some digits if you keep getting your hands that close to a Sharks Mouth! :o Its just a matter of time.
Sorry if I offended you Shark Hunter, was not meant to, the topic said shark fishing. I am not a guy with a TV show, just a normal guy that fishes for fun in old clothes and likes to fix reels, not dressed in those logo emblazoned shirts for tv. Two of the clips are from a local TV show so they obviously are punting their sponsors, just thought I would share a different way of doing things. I have never heard of anyone loosing a finger, a few guys have been bitten on the leg with a shark turning too fast. I fish barbless circles and use a dehooker similar to you, often it won't come out and I keep a small side cutter in my pocket that I cut the cable with if the shark decides to come out 1/2km from my tackle box. the guys on the tv show are behaving a bit wild with their hook removal ,
No offense taken CapeFish. Lets see some pictures of your Sharks! ;) I'm sure there are others on here with some shark pics. lets just not turn it into SOS.
i finally watched the first video. it was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. :-\
Just hope no-one looses some fingers to some of those fish because of irresponsible dehooking and not following common safety practices by being involved in the maho effect.
The second one was the one that got me. Taking that hook out in the surf, with his hand inches from his mouth. ::)
My wife is in the medical profession, and after talking to her it has come to my attention that modern medicine allows us to keep some humans alive that nature would probably of just done without. I believe the individuals in these videos qualify.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on September 26, 2013, 11:29:30 PM
My wife is in the medical profession, and after talking to her it has come to my attention that modern medicine allows us to keep some humans alive that nature would probably of just done without. I believe the individuals in these videos qualify.
Ron
:o :o :o ;D
Nice! I saw it on SOS, never got a chance to comment. I've grabbed long shank 12/0 Js, it's kinda scary with those devil lemons! I stuck my hand through the gills one time on a BT we kept, long pliers or dehooker is a must
I managed to get some pictures loaded finally!
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w491/capefish_photo/LeonBronzieComp20114_zps2e806fcb.jpg) (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/capefish_photo/media/LeonBronzieComp20114_zps2e806fcb.jpg.html)
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w491/capefish_photo/20130305_194000_zps11aaff96.jpg) (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/capefish_photo/media/20130305_194000_zps11aaff96.jpg.html)
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w491/capefish_photo/DSC00050_zps030dc01a.jpg) (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/capefish_photo/media/DSC00050_zps030dc01a.jpg.html)
A friend's beast of a black ray, hope he doesn't mind me posting it here, he got it out in 1/2 hour, straightsticking it, +- 170kg. He used a Finno3 OFC 30 with 40lb line. Note the cheap quality sand spike- STUFFED
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w491/capefish_photo/20121206_115238_zps8c67d11a.jpg) (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/capefish_photo/media/20121206_115238_zps8c67d11a.jpg.html)
This one took 3 hours, nearly spooled me a few times - 700m of line, about 130 kg
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w491/capefish_photo/P6230137Large_zps2bbe6b1f.jpg) (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/capefish_photo/media/P6230137Large_zps2bbe6b1f.jpg.html)
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w491/capefish_photo/P6230146Large_zpsb4848921.jpg) (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/capefish_photo/media/P6230146Large_zpsb4848921.jpg.html)
Cheers
Leon
PS If I am hi-jacking, please say so and I will move the post
Amazing!
You know, 3 hours is a long time, one of my custom Penn would have saved you a couple of hours on that bad boy ;) ;D.
Thanks for sharing Leon.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on September 27, 2013, 09:10:07 AM
Amazing!
You know, 3 hours is a long time, one of my custom Penn would have saved you a couple of hours on that bad boy ;) ;D.
Thanks for sharing Leon.
Sal
:) :) :) Pleasure, thanks for the offer but will need a harness to hold on and a cart to get it to the beach, kayak to get bait out plus it would have taken 4 hours because the gear ratio is so low :) The carbontex decided to give up on that day, but I was also too scared to put too much pressure, was a male fish and it just did not want to stop. My tactic was to let it run as much as it wanted to and go after it along the beach and then stick my thumb in when the line got too low and then walk it up the beach every time it came in a bit and then run down to gain line.
Landing a big fish under such difficult circumstances is a great accomplishment.
As for the video, these people are Darwin Award material.
Very nice fish and a great job with that small tackle.
Quote from: saltydog on September 27, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
Very nice fish and a great job with that small tackle.
Thanks, braid backing, modern powerful reels and strong graphite rods allows you to get big fish out much quicker, in the past it mostly ended in tears due to getting spooled and the drags not able to hold out if you were using a reel that you could still cast with.
I usually use a Jigmaster 500 or a 4/0 for casting from shore for sharks, but they do take practice to master the bigger reels.
Very Nice Leon! ;D
That's what I'm talking about!
very impressive!!!!!
Hi All,
Nice fish, and they show from the dialogue how different even something as simple or straight forward as shore shark angling can be in different parts of the world, and how the anglers approach the matter. A lot of the differences come from the prevailing conditions, as well as local accepted practices.
I build a lot of rods for sharks for folks around the world, and it always seems that I need quite a few emails just to get a handle on how they are fishing, whether it be Australians fishing off high platform and rocks, guys in the southern States using kayaks or electric RC boats, or folks in southern Africa just casting. All the rods are different, and equally all the reels are different – at the end of the day we have built purpose designed shark rods from anywhere between 7' and 15' long.
The biggest single issue that we all seem to overlook is the factor of leverage, especially with the long rods. The guys on boats long ago learned the benefits of stand-up rods, and how such short rods would reduce the fight time on big fish, due to being able to increase the pressure on the line – it did lead to a few problems with reels and drags, but that was overcome.
We did some experiments with the long surf rods and found that even the biggest of guys could only pull 10.5kgs (23lbs) through a 14' surf rod, and this was only for a short time. We then tried the same guys with a prototype 11' surf rod, and the maximum load they could pull jumped straight up to 15.8kg (nearly 35lbs)!!!! We then looked at the casting practicalities of the shorter rod, and apart from when 'sliding' was used, the rod came out equalling the long 14' rods which were the accepted local norm – we were getting 20oz bait and sinker combinations out as far as 150m on a test field – no different to the 14' long rods.
Since then I have been using various rods around the 11-12' length to great effect, but the one thing that we very soon found was that the reels that were previously more than adequate – were beginning to fail. Now we are using modified TLD 20 and 25 models for casting and pulling in the big sharks – more drag and lower gear ratios. A couple of clients that we took out managed very respectable sharks in quite short times – a 15 year old lad had a 122kg (270lbs) on the beach in 55 minutes, and an 82 year old had an 87kg (190lb) on the beach in 22 minutes.
I have long learned that we all need to think a little 'outside the box' when we get to the upper end of tackle usage, look beyond what is the accepted norm, and have a look at other angling practices to see how they are overcoming similar problems, as someone somewhere around the world has come up with a solution – probably coming out of a garage or small workshop. It perhaps is the beauty of this web forum, such a diverse group of people from all round the world.
Cheers from sunny Africa
Jeri
my rods are all on the shorter side, I only have one of 14 and not my go to shark rod, those are about 13. those are very valid points I have heard of your 11 ft rods. I don't fish league so I slide often hence won't go much shorter. regarding the jigmasters, out of the box you are really going to struggle with them. they are hardly even sold here anymore. I know you can pimp them but none of those aftermarket products are available here and by the time you are done you may as well have bought a saltist or a torium. Same with the Senators, although the Baja may well be a good option but not available here. the jigmaster's line swallowing is also an issue.
I am intrigued by your use of the tld Jeri. I know they are solid but never would have thought they will do well casting. Do you prefer it to say a Trini 40?
Leon, you're a young man, but your thinking with 1950 mentality ;D. Have you held a squidder or jigmaster lately? I have some and can't squeeze a .1mm sheet of paper between the spool and ring.
Hi Jeri,
I couldn't agree more about shorter rod lengths. I have been preaching this very thing to my friends. If a shorter rod can hit the necessary distance why use a longer one?
Simple maths - A 6' rod with a fore grip 2' up gives the fish a 2:1 lever on you. An 8' rod with fore grip 2' up gives the fish a 3:1 lever! That's a 50% increase in leverage for the fish.
Or to put it another way - For a 6' rod - If you apply a force of 20lbs (at the fore grip) the fish only gets 10lbs. The 8' rod, for the same force, the fish only gets just under 7lbs :o
I guess its a case of less is more :D
I am a firm believer in the shorter rods when you have to get maximum leverage, when you can get away with using them.
And I agree with the point that a rod from 7' to 12' is the best when casting from shore and a few other applictions. It really all depends on what you are fishing for, where you are fishing, and when you are fishing for certain species of fish.
The differences you find in rod building will boggle your mind when it comes down to how many different ways you can set up a rod for different fishing situations and types of fishing
Now for the jigmaster 500 I have not ever ran into a braid eating machine ever. I guess it has to do with the size of braid being used but for it to be small enough to be eaten by one you would have to be using under 50# and you would spend a bucket of money on filling that up.
My jigmaster 500 holds around 400 yards of 30# BBG mono when full so that would be equal to around to something over 500 yards or 80# braid depending on it's diameter. Now for me that is plenty of yardage when either fishing for tuna or sharks from boat or beach. Now I know that mine is hotrodded but if you look you can find them around for very little. Another thing is that for casting I prefer bushings over bearings because in a surf environment that is one less thing to fail. I am currently working with a machineist to get bushings made for casting for the 113H, 114H, and 115 because I have a few friends that cast those bigger reels and we feel it would be better for casting big baits and lead to bigger sharks like Tigers and Hammers from the jetties here in Texas.
As you can tell I am a Penn guy, but I do own many other varieties of reels for other fishing situations.
Lets stay on track guys. This post is about Shark Fishing. I don't want to get a debate going on Tackle selection and rod length technical stuff. (Words of Wisdom from the Boss)
I think I'll start a new post on this Subject. Its in "Setting your reel up to go fishing". Lets see some more pictures! ;D
Here is a good pic of My Big Blacktip right after I got the hook out. He was very well mannered as I did this. After dehooking, He was like, OK, I'm ready to go now! ( He is giving me the evil eye here)
Well said Daron ;), sometimes we all forget.
This was my biggest so far, 10' tiger shark. Caught on an okuma Coronado 80. This was a 4 hour lesson in why graphite frame spinning reels have no place offshore... We were fishing for seabass on an artificial reef, and getting close to our limit, so I put out a shark rig hoping for a 4 footer to liven the day. Not 10 minutes later, I hooked that guy. We unhooked the anchor, and this shark pulled the boat over a mile and a half from where we dropped the anchor(with a bouy of course) over the course of 4 hours.
I think that you need a Bigger Cooler.
Mike
Or a better release method!
I'm not into killing them, nor gaffing them. If they die by mistake, (Gut hook or just plain fights to the death) That is different. I don't fish like this. They are an Apex Predator, and should be treated accordingly. Its not 1970 any more.
To me a fishery is a fishery. I like eating shark and if the fishery is sustainable then I don't have an issue with it. I have no idea what the tiger shark fishery is. I understand that everyone has a different point of view.
Ron
In the states when there was a Tiger shark fishery it was for there liver, jaws, hide, then the meat to use as crab bait cause very little of it was very palatable and mostly sold to crabbers for bait. I can remember when a set of jaws was worth more than the entire shark, and that was a shame but when that one shark would feed and my family and pay the rent for a month it was worth trying to catch him. Great catch on the reel you were using, those aren't an easy fish on any reel.
Quote from: noyb72 on October 21, 2013, 06:08:53 AM
To me a fishery is a fishery. I like eating shark and if the fishery is sustainable then I don't have an issue with it. I have no idea what the tiger shark fishery is. I understand that everyone has a different point of view.
Ron
Well the taste pretty bad when there over 8ft(ask me how i know), it was a great catch but i can catch 4 tippers and feed a family for a while
That one made lots of dinners, and the meat was quite good actually. I don't make a habit of taking big sharks though.
I didn't mean to come off like some tree hugger or anything. :D
I guess since you put him to good use, Its OK with Me. I just hate to see Sharks killed for the fun of it.
Catching them from Shore is a challenge for me. No Boat, No Charter. Just me and my Penn Senator!
No pimping either! It is bone stock down to the handle. The only upgrade is HT-100's.
I feel the same. If we catch a small black tip then we will make dinner with it. But i do tagging for NOAA and the National Marine Fisheries Apex Predator Program so basically every shark we catch is tagged and released.
I wholeheartedly believe in not killing big sharks. First their flavor and texture is less than desirable and second they are the important breeders. Probably my favorite shark is 60-80 pound mako. Used to get those a lot out of Oceanside, Ca.
This is why I love talking to sportsman, it seems that we can come up with fishery management solutions that work. Probably because we want to keep catching the fish!!
Ron
Thinking Ora barely legal BT fried up in nuggets makes my mouth water!
Nice pictures! Thanks. I don't get to fish for sharks much living here in Pennsylvania but I do love it.
Nice Jimmy! ;)
Thanks! My boy caught that Lemon shark in the tidal pool you see behind him. I was up there in the morning catching bait at low tide and discovered a couple Lemons that purposely trapped themselves in the pool to feast on mullet. I took my son back up there in the evening at low tide to see if we could catch one. I cut up about a half dozen mullet and tossed them in the pool, then cast out a whole mullet on a 10/0 big eye circle. Game was on quick. Happened almost too fast. Good time!
That must have been an interesting fight with the fish trapped in the tidal pool. How deep was the water? Did it run back and forth, sulk on the bottom, or what?
The water was 4 or 5 feet deep. The shark was swimming back and forth and fought hard. I felt pretty good about our chances though. I knew he wasn't going to get spooled. ;D
I think pound for pound, those Lemons are some of the meanest Sharks! They thrash and try to bite you!
The Blacktips come in as second meanest in my book. That 6 footer was thrashing so hard, he was coming at least two feet of the sand! Once he settled down, I got the hook out quickly. (a 20/0 Mustad Circle) He was back in the water in less than a minute.
That's interesting. I haven't had too much trouble with decent sized lemons I've managed to beach although the one in the first picture made life interesting a time or two. Those blacktips on the other hand scare me some once on the beach. Unpredictable and quick. I love the way they hit a bait in the water though! Freight train! My main problem is that I'm usually fishing alone which isn't real safe when dealing with sharks of any size.
I'm a complete novice with these sharks though. I'm sure there are guys on here that have forgotten more than I ever knew!
I am fairly new to the game myself. I've only caught a couple Blacktips, but I've seen several others caught. I found out the trick to catching them is with a sliding trace rig instead of a fixed sinker.
Last year I had a bunch of good hits, but when they felt the weight, they would drop it. I'm using a 30 foot section of 400lb mono before my cable or wire leader and it seems to be working. Those Blacktips are sneaky! The Veterans of the sport call the fixed sinker a Mouse Trap. The sliding Trace is a Rat Trap.
I'm also leaving the hook exposed instead of hiding it in the bait and my hook up ratio has vastly improved.
Smaller lemons don't fight to hard on hevier tackle, but my lord on the beach......the 4 footers you winch in on a 4/0w are the worst :o And nice fish Jimmy!
Congrats to you and your son Jimmy! Makes me want to head South to get back on some more sharks in Texas!!