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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Shark Hunter on September 26, 2013, 07:46:42 PM

Title: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 26, 2013, 07:46:42 PM
When I got back from my Fishing Trip. I noticed my 12/0 handle nut had loosened. Not a big deal. I caught My Big Shark on it, so I considered it normal. After removing the line from some other reels and just checking the overall condition, I noticed another 9/0 nut had loosened, and I didn't even fish this one. is this normal? I was thinking, maybe from bringing them in the A/C from the heat repeatedly would do this? They tightened right back up. any one else have issues with this? I use one of Alan's wrenches, so I know they were tight to begin with.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Bryan Young on September 26, 2013, 08:05:25 PM
You should have a handle nut locking screw that screws in the handle are to prevent the nut from backing off.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: alantani on September 26, 2013, 09:04:19 PM
the gear sleeves are brass, right?  so is the handle arm.  two soft metals.  not a surprise......   :-\
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Bunnlevel Sharker on September 26, 2013, 10:07:35 PM
Sounds like the lock screws are gone
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 26, 2013, 11:28:53 PM
Lock screws are in place Gentlemen. I wouldn't be questioning this, if they weren't.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Alto Mare on September 26, 2013, 11:51:17 PM
On the stainless steel handles the head on the lock screw is larger than Penn's. Check and see if that's it, using one of Penn's on those would be useless.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 27, 2013, 12:05:03 AM
I have the original handles on these Sal. I just wondered if anyone else has had this problem. I am afraid to crank them too tight with Alan's wrench and stripping the sleeve. I took the lock screw out and tightened them down good. They aren't stripped. I just went to the next notch on the nut.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Keta on September 27, 2013, 12:15:33 AM
Check and see if the gear sleeve is rounded.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 27, 2013, 02:03:59 AM
Everyone is overthinking this. I just wanted to know if this has happened to any one else. I have no issues with the reels. They have been completely gone through. The set screws are in the original handles and the sleeve is not rounded. I guess I just should have went to the next notch to begin with. after fishing or transporting, I guess they came loose because I didn't make them real tight afraid of stripping the sleeve and took the handle nut notch that was available. Like Alan said, Two soft metals.
(I don't mean to sound snippy! ;))
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Alto Mare on September 27, 2013, 02:18:21 AM
It's always a good idea tightening the star all the way before installing the handle, you probably already know this. :-\
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Bunnlevel Sharker on September 27, 2013, 03:25:38 AM
Just use ALOT of red lotctite. Then send your reel to sal for servicing ;D :o
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 27, 2013, 04:01:38 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on September 27, 2013, 02:18:21 AM
It's always a good idea tightening the star all the way before installing the handle, you probably already know this. :-\

I did not Sal. I just make sure it is below the threads. Not necessarily locked down. ;)
I think I'll skip the Loc tite Grayson. Although, I'm sure Sal would help me out if I needed him. ;D
He's just that type of guy. Paying it forward. A little lesson he taught me. ;)
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: triumphrick on September 27, 2013, 10:24:18 PM
I service about 60 Penn 113H for a local party boat.

I get about ten reels at a time from them, and usually have one reel with a loose handle.

Both the handle nut as well as the set screw are always in place.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 27, 2013, 11:31:40 PM
Nature of the Beast!
Thank You triumphrick! ;D
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: saltydog on September 27, 2013, 11:35:21 PM
On my charter boat i used to get one of those every now and then, and it was probably just me not getting it tight enough,to much zin after a hard days work ,or was it the burbon.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Keta on September 27, 2013, 11:43:19 PM
I have never seen this with SS gear sleeves.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: jonathan.han on September 28, 2013, 01:15:42 AM
This happens on almost every brass gear sleeved/driveshaft reel from any manufacturer.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 28, 2013, 01:41:35 AM
I never thought of that William. I was hitting the bourbon pretty heavy until about two months ago. I don't drink it any more. Just beer. I miss it though. :'(
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Keta on September 28, 2013, 01:50:08 AM
Tequila is better for you.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: saltydog on September 28, 2013, 02:19:07 AM
Well when it comes to getting the real ocean vibe a little Captain Morgan kills all bad days. ::) ::) ::) ;D
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: bluefish69 on September 28, 2013, 02:33:59 AM
I'm not sure about Capt. Morgan. Where Shark Hunter comes from there could be a trickle of Shine coming down the mountain.

Mike
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: saltydog on September 28, 2013, 02:53:21 AM
Well where I am now outta the hills sounds right. ;D ;D ;D They sell it in the beer store here so we don't have to make ours anymore.
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: bluefish69 on September 28, 2013, 03:03:49 AM
Up here in NY we have to know someone, which I am not lucky enough. I haven't had any in 40 yrs.

Mike
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Bunnlevel Sharker on September 28, 2013, 03:36:02 AM
Where I come from, there was 180 proof and what they called southern thunder :o Dad loved it
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: saltydog on September 28, 2013, 03:56:14 AM
Rocket fuel :o :o :o Blast off ;D
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Bunnlevel Sharker on September 28, 2013, 04:10:27 AM
Yep the two weren't far apart
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 28, 2013, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: bluefish69 on September 28, 2013, 02:33:59 AM
I'm not sure about Capt. Morgan. Where Shark Hunter comes from there could be a trickle of Shine coming down the mountain.

Mike
Yes, I can get some Shine pretty easily. I had to quit the hard stuff all together. My Check Liver light was on! :D
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: alantani on September 28, 2013, 03:56:33 PM
sharkey, i have a general request that guys stay on track to avoid thread jacking.  um, just like this....  it is mostly intended to make sure that new guys feel comfortable asking questions.  looks like no one thinks of you a a new guy anymore.  congratulations, i guess.......   ;D
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on September 28, 2013, 05:02:32 PM
Quote from: Bunnlevel Sharker on September 28, 2013, 03:36:02 AM
Where I come from, there was 180 proof and what they called southern thunder :o Dad loved it

this probably will make a good degreaser...don't forget your good buddies jack and jim.  ;D
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 28, 2013, 08:25:28 PM
10-4 Alan! ;)
I guess I need to start a new thread on just alcohol! ;D
Stay on track guys! This is about Handle Nuts!
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: bluefish69 on September 28, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
I'm a BAD BOY

Mike
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 07:40:49 PM
Interesting. I can never seem to get my handle nuts loose, lol. Guess I need a wrench......
Title: Re: Senator Handle Nuts Loosening
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 29, 2013, 07:43:18 PM
Yes,
The wrench is essential.