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General Maintenance Tips => Ordering Reel Parts => Topic started by: Willy B on September 29, 2013, 12:00:15 PM

Title: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Willy B on September 29, 2013, 12:00:15 PM
Help!!!  I am rebuilding a 12/0 Senator and like all non-plastic senator spools, the chrome finish has corroded pretty extensively.  The spool is in great shape otherwise.  Is there a recommended way to refinish the spool?  The barbecue and dockside gang say I can wax the spool and some mentioned a transparent spray?  Never heard of either.  Would appreciate any help.

Also - the washer under the main gear (the one it sits on) - again the BBQ gang say just cut a washer out of a plastic gallon - they claim it will work just fine.  Any one out there ever done this successfully?
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Keta on September 29, 2013, 02:23:49 PM
Powder coating the spool works and use a carbon fiber washer under the gear.  If you do have the spool powder coated let the shop know that dropping the spool can destroy it, the shop messed up the 66 spool I planned on putting in my 113N Grouper Special by dropping it on a concrete floor.
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: alantani on September 29, 2013, 06:01:47 PM
first, make sure you have a full set of carbon fiber drag washers in this reel.  there should be seven.  next, get a a #6-114 drag to put underneath the main gear (a #6-115 or #6-116 will also work).  last, grease all the drag washers with cal's grease.  that should do it!
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 29, 2013, 06:45:44 PM
I don't think a plastic washer would last two minutes under the sleeve.
Do as Alan suggests on the drag setup. I have four 12/0's set up like this and they are some tough cookies! Finding a replacement spool is near impossible. You can go with Aluminum, but they cost 75 bucks! :o Lee's suggestion of powdercoating sounds like the way to go. You could always sand it down and apply a coat of clear laquer to keep the bronze from getting eaten up by the salt.
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 08:32:37 PM
As far as I know, no Senator has had a plastic spool. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Powder-coating works, but I've heard it can wear off. And I'd go with the others on the HT-100 under the main gear, I followed their advice and I'm amazed at the difference in smoothness.
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 08:34:22 PM
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Quote from: Keta on September 29, 2013, 02:23:49 PM
Powder coating the spool works and use a carbon fiber washer under the gear.  If you do have the spool powder coated let the shop know that dropping the spool can destroy it, the shop messed up the 66 spool I planned on putting in my 113N Grouper Special by dropping it on a concrete floor.
Ooh, that stinks. I hope they gave you a refund........
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Keta on September 29, 2013, 10:32:18 PM
He does the work for free.
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 10:36:07 PM
Ah I see, but it still stinks.
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Keta on September 29, 2013, 10:37:53 PM
Yup, $25 worth of stink.  I can't complain much though they treat me well.
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 10:47:02 PM
That's good. I can't stand rude people. Especially rude people I'm paying, but at least it was free as you said.......
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: melkapule on September 29, 2013, 11:39:19 PM
When using a carbon fiber washer under the main gear, is it still necessary to add a metal washer to the stack? And, does it mater if the washer is eared or not? SBT lists only eared washers.

There is excess play on my reel I'd like to get rid of.
Thank you for any help, Mel.
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 11:47:44 PM
I assume you are simply replacing the washer under the main gear? If so then a Ht-100 is all you need. I used a 6-116 washer on my 12/0 and it works great, except for the fact that my drag stack is too short. You should not have to change the drag stack if the fiber washer is all you are changing, however I'd just replace the drag stack as well. Its a big improvement. Good luck!!
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 29, 2013, 11:50:48 PM
It depends on the particular reel. Sometimes I have to add two metal washers to a 7 stack. Penn made such variety of main gears throughout the years. You can buy the eared and non eared from scotts.
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Willy B on October 01, 2013, 10:00:51 AM
Thanks guys, good info.  Now one more for Alan and all you salty dogs!!!  Alan, the 12/0 I have has fairly thick drag washers, almost 1/8" thick and the carbon fiber ones available locally are pretty thin meaning that I will have almost 3/8" thinner drag stack total?   I saw a similar question on one of your posts, but wasn't clear on the response.

Also, do you sell the drags for the 12/0? (including the main gear fiber washer?).

Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Bunnlevel Sharker on October 01, 2013, 10:46:00 AM
It will take more washers, you will have a 7 stack of CF vs an asbestos 5 stack
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Willy B on October 01, 2013, 10:58:59 AM
got it!!!  Thanks now all I've gotta do is figure out how to order these so nothing's wasted since Penn ships the metal washers in sets only.

I'll figure it out - hey, if worse comes to worst, I'll handline the suckers in!!!
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Keta on October 01, 2013, 02:55:23 PM
If I had old keyed and eared ones could draw them up and cut them.
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 01, 2013, 04:38:49 PM
Mysticparts.com. This is Mystic Reel Parts in New Jersey. He has everything you need. You can buy washers individually as well. You need to ditch the thick drag discs and go with all carbon fiber.


"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Title: Re: 12/0 Senator Spool Finish and Main Gear Washer
Post by: Dynamo on October 01, 2013, 04:40:46 PM
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Quote from: Shark Hunter on October 01, 2013, 04:38:49 PM
Mysticparts.com. This is Mystic Reel Parts in New Jersey. He has everything you need. You can buy washers individually as well. You need to ditch the thick drag discs and go with all carbon fiber.

This man speaks the truth! Only complaint from Mysticparts is shipping prices.