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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 10:05:28 PM

Title: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 10:05:28 PM
Hello, everybody! I recently converted my 12/0's drag to a carbon fiber set up, but the height was definately off. There was a lot of space between the star and handle when I locked the reel down, and the reel was putting out way less drag than it should have been. I have pics but cannot post them. Does anybody know what I did wrong? Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Keta on September 29, 2013, 10:31:22 PM
You can add more washers to the stack if you have room, alternating eared keyed.  Make sure the last  eared washer is in the gear then put one more CF and keyed washer in the stack.  If not use keyed washers for spacers.
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 10:34:38 PM
The main gear is filled up though, should the washers go over the top?
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Keta on September 29, 2013, 10:36:40 PM
Yes, you can also double up on the spring washer.
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 10:59:19 PM
I'll add another washer or two, thanks, Keta!
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Cone on September 29, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
The last eared metal washer has to catch in the top of the gear. A carbon fiber washer on top of the eared washer and a keyed metal on top of that. Sometimes you may need to add another keyed washer or two on top of that but any more carbon fiber washers will not add any more drag.  Bob
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 29, 2013, 11:38:54 PM
Okay, i don't really want any more drag than the stock thirty. I've seen with my own eyes what happens when a 12/0's drag is overexerted. Here's what i did: washer, keyed, washer, eared, washer, keyed, washer, eared, washer, keyed, washer, eared, washer, keyed. What you're saying is add another washer and another eared and then the spring?
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 30, 2013, 12:00:16 AM
Yes, but if the eared is above the gear just use two non eared. This is typical of the 12. ;D
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Cone on September 30, 2013, 12:19:48 AM
Yep. The last eared has to catch in the slots of the main gear. Then add a cf washer and a keyed (you may need two keyed) then the spring.  Bob
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Alto Mare on September 30, 2013, 12:28:53 AM
You want that reel to be really smooth, try 11 washers in the stack ;D

(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/012_zpsd11ff03c.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/012_zpsd11ff03c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 12:39:24 AM
Haha, that's really sick Sal, I'll definitely have to try that. Those are just 6-116 washers, correct? Is there a drag increase or is the reel just smoother?
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Alto Mare on September 30, 2013, 12:45:08 AM
Nothing sick about that Dynamo, try it you'll be amazed. Fiber washers need to be .75mm, metal are stock.
I don't know how old you are, but it would be like trying to stop a car with regular breaks and one with power breaks. ;)
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 12:53:35 AM
I meant sick as in awesome, Sal, lol! Do you just grind the washers down? I lean the rod against the railing, so I can hold decent amount of drag. On the beach I sit down Palm Beach style, however, no harness!
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 30, 2013, 01:03:15 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on September 30, 2013, 12:45:08 AM
Nothing sick about that Dynamo, try it you'll be amazed. Fiber washers need to be .75mm, metal are stock.
I don't know how old you are, but it would be like trying to stop a car with regular breaks and one with power breaks. ;)
Sick is a slang term Sal, the younger crowd uses. Instead of saying "Very Nice", they say "that's Sick!"
I don't get it either. This Dynamo is really going through this place! I think he knows a lot about Shark Fishing. I've been waiting for you to Chime in and show us some "Three Wheel Motion!" ;D
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 01:10:33 AM
haha, sick is a strange term, for sure, but fun to use. I guess i grew up in the skim boarding/surfboarding crowd. Three wheel motion?
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 30, 2013, 01:19:15 AM
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/2447344007_4b31b314b3_z_zps16d005c6.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 01:22:54 AM
Quote
Quote from: Shark Hunter on September 30, 2013, 01:03:15 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on September 30, 2013, 12:45:08 AM
Nothing sick about that Dynamo, try it you'll be amazed. Fiber washers need to be .75mm, metal are stock.
I don't know how old you are, but it would be like trying to stop a car with regular breaks and one with power breaks. ;)
Sick is a slang term Sal, the younger crowd uses. Instead of saying "Very Nice", they say "that's Sick!"
I don't get it either. This Dynamo is really going through this place! I think he knows a lot about Shark Fishing. I've been waiting for you to Chime in and show us some "Three Wheel Motion!" ;D

Thanks, Shark Hunter, I might have knowledge, But I wish I could get out more. I need more experience. Once I can drive things will be better. Uh,oh, I revealed my age, lol. Only went sharking once this year, and that was only a measly attempt in my local spot for bulls. I don't think that ride will take turns too well, looks sick though, lol.
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Keta on September 30, 2013, 01:28:25 AM
Quote from: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 12:53:35 AM
I meant sick as in awesome,

Not for us "old guys" but I knew this from my kids.

Get the thinner CF washers from Smooth Drag.
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 01:32:52 AM
You're not old, I'm just strange! Thanks I'll look into smooth drag!
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 30, 2013, 02:30:06 AM
Your not even old enough to drive yet?
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 02:32:23 AM
Oh, heck no. Wish I was, though....
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Keta on September 30, 2013, 02:38:52 AM
You are starting the reel tinkering addiction early.  I've been doing it for close to 50 years but it got worse thanks to the members of this asylum.
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 02:42:07 AM
Asylum, haha! I love it! Its like a disease isn't it. I swear reel tinkering will drive me bankrupt one day.........
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Keta on September 30, 2013, 02:46:14 AM
Take tiny steps, I still don't have a Senator larger than a 6/0  (3 or 4 or them)...and I do have several 50's and 70's
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 02:49:42 AM
I will try to take your advice! (http://i.dslr.net/bb/vbull_coll/icon12.gif)
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 02:52:30 AM
"The Asylum" reminds me of Wonko the Sane from the Hitchhiker's guide series. Does anybody know what I'm talking about?
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Makule on September 30, 2013, 06:58:46 PM
Quotei don't really want any more drag than the stock thirty. I've seen with my own eyes what happens when a 12/0's drag is overexerted.

So just don't tighten the star over whatever amount you want.  Just because it's available, doesn't mean you must use it.  Only keep in mind that it's better to have and not need, than to need and not have.
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 07:01:43 PM
Good advice, thanks. How much drag can a 12/0 take before reel seat failure?
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Bunnlevel Sharker on September 30, 2013, 07:23:35 PM
Other stuff will fail first, as u should have brace and rod clamp
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 07:25:02 PM
Oops, I meant the reel foot.
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Alto Mare on September 30, 2013, 07:31:51 PM
The fish will usually tell you what to do, can't crank that star all the way and hope for the best, you're at the driver seat.
I caught this one 2 miles out with my Jigmaster, 25 lbs. mono and 10lbs. of drag. This was right before we started making upgrades with all our goodies here., appr. 3 years ago.
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/0821081834a_zpsa596bc31.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/0821081834a_zpsa596bc31.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Dynamo on September 30, 2013, 07:36:04 PM
Nice tipper! I am a fan of crazy drags whether they're neccesary or not, when i get a strike, I pretty much just lock the reel down and hold on. If the fish pulls line, it pulls line. If it doesn't, I reel it in. Not the best techinique for sure, but its fun, lol.
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 30, 2013, 07:52:54 PM
Good Shot Sal! ;)
Title: Re: Penn 116 Ht-100 drag stack height problem?
Post by: Bunnlevel Sharker on October 01, 2013, 12:38:27 AM
Dats a nice un Sal, I hope you make it down my way sometime