Really excited about the pick up!!! I have been pawn shop hunting as of late, and today found a decent looking Made in USA Penn 113H, with a closed top (top bar) Tiburon frame and spool, and decided to make the purchase. They had the Penn for sale at $60, I offered $40 and it was mine. Great deal just based on the frame upgrade already present.
Got home, and thanks to the this site, ripped the reel apart and was very pleased to find 4.1:1 stainless steel main and pinion gears, and SS pinion yoke.
Going to do the usual upgrades of carbontex drag washers, SS gear sleeve, SS dog, and maybe the bearings.
Question:
I was looking at Alto Mare's post about adding a double dog to the 113H, and in taking mine apart it appears there is already a manufacturer made cut-out for an additional dog on the opposite side??? I will try and post pictures if I am not explaining it clearly and you do not understand what I am talking about.
I am very happy with my purchase and feel I got a great deal (the posts on this site are what sold me on looking at buying this reel for my reel arsenal). Going to be used as my 40-50# live bait and yo-yo jigging reel.
Thanks, Scott.
You have a late model plate that is designed for both right and left hand retrieve reels. Sal has a post somewhere on here about double dogging that plate, basically you are half way there. I would make sure you have 4:1 gears and not stainless 3.2:1, not that either aren't very nice.
Great score on that reel.
Ron
You did very good for yourself but be careful, eventually you will spend what you have saved on this one and more ;D.
Yes, I'm showing that plate on the second page by the "Tank", but that was a while back.
There are better options now, you could try installing a pin as I'm showing here:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7864.msg70238#msg70238
click on the pictures and at the bottom corner, so you can really take a closer look. Don't get discouraged, this is actually very easy to do and the most effective.
Good luck! Any questions..... just ask!
Sal
Now that's a Good Deal! Trucka! ;D
You got a great deal and now in serious trouble. I caught Pennitis from Sal. It is a very contagious disease so lock your wallet in a safe.
Thank you for the info Ron. I am left handed, but began fishing with my right, have fished that way ever since; kind of helps having my strong arm hold the rod anyway.
Thank you for that Sal!!! I will definitely be asking for help as needed. I really appreciate the help offered on the site and how open and willing everyone is to share their knowledge with others. I have had the reel for one day thus far, and already have a list of upgrades going...I see what you guys mean about this being addicting. I will be attempting the double-dog upgrade when I get to ordering the other SS upgrades and 5-1 drag washers.
Question: Can anybody tell me if this is the narrow or standard size Tiburon frame and spool kit (not familiar with 4/0 Penns)? If the picture does not load, the measurement from inner steel ring to inner steel ring is 2.5 inches. Thanks, Scott.
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agree with ron. i have the same one. "reely" good buy or should i say steal... ;D
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8544.0
Give me a few min and I will get the measurements. If the gears are 3:2.1 and you don't want them, we could probably arrange a trade
Scott, you have a standard width frame. Listen to Newell Nut it is addicting. Bob
Quote from: Cone on October 20, 2013, 01:53:24 AM
Scott, you have a standard width frame. Listen to Newell Nut it is addicting. Bob
x2 measured mine last night...
Quote from: Bunnlevel Sharker on October 20, 2013, 01:46:02 AM
Give me a few min and I will get the measurements. If the gears are 3:2.1 and you don't want them, we could probably arrange a trade
I'm pretty sure they are 4:1; I am going by a mark on the spool and counting how many times it goes around for every one full turn of the handle, getting four revolutions as a result.
Thank you for the info on the frame width. It seems like a fairly narrow width frame to begin with, bigger reel but a taller spool more than wide (I was expecting a standard 4/0 to be wider), really like the size.
**I know what mechanical upgrades I am going with, SS gear sleeve, SS dog X2, drags/washers, but what about the cosmetic???
Looking to remove the harness lugs (do not like harness lugs), and install a metal plate that sits flush with the frame. Plate will be cut flush to the frame, and have the spool curve ground into the bottom so it will not hit the spool. Planning on painting the plates as close a match to the Tiburon frame as possible.
Also looking at painting the star, spool release lever, and clicker or left bearing cap black as well.
**When I do purchase the SS gear sleeve and dogs, where or who should I obtain them from? Going to get drag upgrade from smooth drag or go with HT-100.
-Scott
scott, SS sleeve (fine or coarse thread) Alan T. SS dogs Keta...why not add the 2nd gen 6/0 handle from Alan T....
It would relay look nice with black powder coated rings and hardware 8)
Thank you for the info Mel B. Is Keta a person on the site or an on-line retailer?
I will be purchasing the sleeve from Alan, just waiting on buying because I may buy a 113HLW from the same pawn shop.
Do you guys think the 113HLW can fish 80# topshot without hesitation, or is it more of a 60# reel?
Powder coating would look really good and may be the same price as getting a couple cans of quality spray paint, considering the size and amount of items I would be having painted. Also, spray paint may provide too thick of a coating and cause fitment issues.
*I am down to upgrade the handle in the future. A $50 handle upgrade is out of my budget right now, internal upgrades come first.
Keta is one of the moderators here. His real name is Lee. Bob
you could run 800yds of 80lb solid braid to an 80lb mono topper and be set for 90% of anything you will hook
Thank you for the info on Lee, Bob. Thanks for the info on the 113HLW Bunnlevel Sharker, I am leaning toward getting the HLW.
Do they sell a SS bridge for the 113H anywhere?
Unfortunately no. Or at least I don't know of anyone offering a stainless steel bridge.
Bob
Quote from: sundaytrucka on October 22, 2013, 03:24:04 AM
Thank you for the info on Lee, Bob. Thanks for the info on the 113HLW Bunnlevel Sharker, I am leaning toward getting the HLW.
Do they sell a SS bridge for the 113H anywhere?
my 2 cents you don't need a SS bridge. it's thick enough. what i want to do is find a way to brace the bridge's screw heads with SS sheet metal.
Great deal! You're going to fish that reel for a long time.
Picked up the matching 113HLW from the same pawn shop, came with 4:1 SS gears too, pretty sure both reels were sold/pawned by the same guy.
Ordered one set of SS dogs from Lee, once they arrive I will post pictures of my Double-Dog installation, and need for help/instruction.
*Debating whether or not to buy a third 113H(for a narrow frame setup), or just buy a "yellowtail special" frame/spool and switch out the HLW and "YS" frames as needed. I know, getting ahead of myself...I am in the "reel world" now.
You can sink a lot of coin in those little reels. Sounds like you are on your way! ;D
Sunday or you can buy socalangler's pro gear YTS.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7512.0
Received the SS dogs from Lee, and going to attempt the double-dog installation in the next couple of days; will post up some pictures, especially if I get stuck somewhere. I am going to use a hand file to fit the groove to the dog, would that be a waste of time, should I just source/borrow a dremel?
Question: I am going to install the second dog within the altered groove for the left handed dog setup. Should I stick with the standard spring on the second dog, or go with a "strip of metal" spring that some have posted as an alternative to the standard spring?
Thanks for any input.
Quote from: sundaytrucka on October 29, 2013, 07:59:57 PM
Received the SS dogs from Lee, and going to attempt the double-dog installation in the next couple of days; will post up some pictures, especially if I get stuck somewhere. I am going to use a hand file to fit the groove to the dog, would that be a waste of time, should I just source/borrow a dremel?
Question: I am going to install the second dog within the altered groove for the left handed dog setup. Should I stick with the standard spring on the second dog, or go with a "strip of metal" spring that some have posted as an alternative to the standard spring?
Thanks for any input.
Either works, but I like the coil spring better...no reason.
Quote from: sundaytrucka on October 29, 2013, 07:59:57 PM
Received the SS dogs from Lee, and going to attempt the double-dog installation in the next couple of days; will post up some pictures, especially if I get stuck somewhere. I am going to use a hand file to fit the groove to the dog, would that be a waste of time, should I just source/borrow a dremel?
Question: I am going to install the second dog within the altered groove for the left handed dog setup. Should I stick with the standard spring on the second dog, or go with a "strip of metal" spring that some have posted as an alternative to the standard spring?
Thanks for any input.
Just take your time Trucka. Make sure and not go too deep. You can pick up a cheap dremel at harbor freight. I don't think I would try it with a file. I just used the regular springs, They seem to work fine.
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Thanks for the heads up, I picked up an inexpensive dremel at Harbor Freight.
Ok, here is a theoretical dog spring installation I have been thinking of the past couple of days. Excuse my bad drawing and penmanship.
1. Shows stock dog.
2. Shows angled side of dog ground down.
3. Slits are cut into dog, where the stock spring will slide into slits and connect to the dog.
4. Shows dog, w/slits and applied spring.
The plate is ground down where the second dog is to be applied, but less is dremeled off, due to the dog itself being ground down. Then, a "hole" or cavity is dremeled into the side of the already dremeled plate lip, just large enough so the spring will sit and be anchored within. The dog is installed as normal, but the spring action against the dog is reactionary with the slit position upon the dog and cavity within the frame lip. Calls for less material removal of the plate itself, and therefore should offer a spring that is nearly fully covered by the bridge and supported within the cavity.
Just a theoretical idea, but what do you guys think? Don't make fun of my drawings...haha.
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We are always intrigued by new ideas. I prefer to keep it simple. I just copied Sal's work the best I could.
Sounds like you are putting a lot of thought into it. Can't wait to see your results! ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on October 30, 2013, 09:07:55 AM
We are always intrigued by new ideas. I prefer to keep it simple. I just copied Sal's work the best I could.
Sounds like you are putting a lot of thought into it. Can't wait to see your results! ;)
me too!
Thanks for the positive thoughts. Turned out way better then I expected, working perfectly thus far!!!
Notes: When cutting the slits for the spring to fit the dog, the dog itself is too wide for the spring to fit. So when the slits are cut, the face sides of the dog, where the spring connects, will have to be ground down as well so the spring will fit over the "stub". Also, I practiced on the brass dog before hacking up a SS dog, and I will be cutting off less of the dog than I did with the brass one (will narrow the gap between dog and side plate); which will require me to cut the spring so it does not overly compress and bow when set in place.
Pic 1: Is the stock side plate.
Pic 2: Is the side plate after being dremeled and the stock dog I cut. Looking at fitment, everything worked, I could have dremeled slightly less off the plate, and cut slightly less of the dog, but that is purely gap aesthetics, it does not affect function or integrity. (That is why I did the first attempt with the stock brass dog, before attempting it on the SS dogs from Lee.
Pic 3: The dog with the spring attached, and the spring sunk into the cavity I dremeled out for the spring.
Pic 4 & 5: Shows the bridge fully installed over the spring and an attempt to show the up and down action of the working dog.
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Not too shabby Sunday! That's a new way to do it. My only concern is the spring. It looks awful short already. What do you think guys?
Nice job! Someone drilled a hole in a dog and put the spring in it. I can't remember which post though. I copied someone else and grind a post for the spring and another in the side plate to capture the spring. I say use what works for you. ;) Bob
Well said Bob! I will remember that one. Use what works for you! ;)
Very nice Job Sundaytrucka, the plate that you've used isn't easy to do a double dog on. Very creative, now turn that dog into a stainless steel dog;).
Thanks for sharing your idea with us.
Sal
Thanks for the input and reception. I am no expert, just had an idea in my head and had to do it. I would have went stir-crazy thinking about would it have worked or not; works fine, but time will tell. If it were to fail for some reason, I could still revert to Sal's process of attaching the second dog, being that I did not dremel off that much of the plate.
The spring in the picture is stock, it has not been altered or cut-down; being in the cavity and slightly compressed with the dog installed makes it look smaller. No noticeable pressure/resistance on the handle turning, so I am happy with the outcome. All the posts and threads are what inspired me to go for it.
I will post more pictures when both of the SS dogs are installed. Now it's time for the SS gear sleeve and another set of SS dogs for my 113HLW.
Great post Trucka.
thanks,
John
Having some troubles, probably due to not having the correct tools, but how do you remove the ball bearing on the right side plate and from the left bearing cap screw?
Just pry the rings out until it frees them?
Thanks, Scott.
Search bearing puller on this forum. Their are some home made solutions and some very elegant comercial offerings.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on November 07, 2013, 07:01:11 PM
Search bearing puller on this forum. Their are some home made solutions and some very elegant comercial offerings.
Ron
Thanks for the info Ron. I am going to attempt to retro fit a homemade version, my needs at present do not justify spending $100+ on a bearing puller; as much as I want to need one.
good stuff
opens up another avenue of thought
Tight work sunday