Well, I finally got all the parts I needed to fix this old reel. Being a little wiser, I knew exactly what I needed this time. A one piece spool, bearing side plates, bearings, a new clicker assy and all new screws.
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I went with the e-clip clicker, I had a little trouble getting the clicker ring right, It had been distorted from the old clicker turning. a little patience and some needle nose pliers got it working again.
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New 7 stack Ht-100's and washer kit from Scott's.
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The old rings don't want to seat all the way. Guess, I'm not done yet. I got this reel for $100. I gave away the three piece spool to RkyMtnKurt. Another $100, some elbow grease and chrome polish and she is ready to Rock!
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Nice work! It's good to see the old reel brought back to life.
Thanks Doc!
I really like the one piece spool and the counter balanced Handle. I just scored a complete set of rings for 16 bucks off fleabay. Hopefully they will fit better. You can see from the last pic that the rings aren't seating properly. I'm not sure what the deal is with the older rings not fitting right on the newer plates.
They might have distorted or somethin, remeber Daron there older than you!
Probably by 15 years! ;)
That was my question of which one is older
Mike
It is usually not a distortion of the rings causing the tight rings, rather the side plates absorb grease, salt and other impurities causing them to swell. That results in the tight and often cracked rings. There is really nothing you can do to correct that process and new rings usually don't fit any better than the old ones.
Some believe that it is caused by the swelling of the plates, rings on older reels are a hair smaller, nothing that a small flat safe edge file won't fix. I hear of some using heat and freezer, I just use a file, but only had to do it once. :-\
Quote from: kermits on November 04, 2013, 01:48:34 AM
It is usually not a distortion of the rings causing the tight rings, rather the side plates absorb grease, salt and other impurities causing them to swell. That results in the tight and often cracked rings. There is really nothing you can do to correct that process and new rings usually don't fit any better than the old ones.
He had new plates but old rings is the thing
I think you are correct on that Sal about the older rings being a tad smaller. I thought I had this project licked other than the rings, but ran into another snafu. I picked the reel up today to enjoy the fruits of my labor and noticed another problem. The eccentric seemed to engage just fine last night, but I never applied enough drag to set the stack and feel the pressure from line being pulled off. When I cranked down the star it just seemed to slip and you could feel a definite grinding going on inside.
Upon further inspection, the pinion wasn't sliding down on the spool.
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Another problem trying to mate a 60 year old reel to current production parts. The spool looked to be fine, As did the pinion, but rather than grind on a new spool, I took a diamond file to the pinion until it would slide all the way onto the spool.
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This project has been an undertaking and I wanted to try and do something I haven't seen before. So others can do this if they decide to upgrade an older 3 pieces spool to a current one.
I just kept my cool and patiently filed and buffed the pinion to fit and thought of the big Sharks I am going to catch with this 60 year old reel! ;)
That's really great! In it's own way it's like the guys that keep old cars or airplanes in service, something that I really admire.
Quote from: floating doc on November 04, 2013, 04:41:10 AM
That's really great! In it's own way it's like the guys that keep old cars or airplanes in service, something that I really admire.
I'd say it is exactly like keeping old cars and planes going. It is the only way to do things in my book. I'll put the price of a new reel into an old one and swap a new engine into my car before I buy something off the showroom!
Ron
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 04, 2013, 03:57:32 AM
This project has been an undertaking and I wanted to try and do something I haven't seen before. So others can do this if they decide to upgrade an older 3 pieces spool to a current one.
I just kept my cool and patiently filed and buffed the pinion to fit and thought of the big Sharks I am going to catch with this 60 year old reel! ;)
Those types of problems will make you a better repairman ;).
Where did you get that multiple drawes parts box in the back?
Quote from: noyb72 on November 04, 2013, 05:48:50 AM
Quote from: floating doc on November 04, 2013, 04:41:10 AM
That's really great! In it's own way it's like the guys that keep old cars or airplanes in service, something that I really admire.
I'd say it is exactly like keeping old cars and planes going. It is the only way to do things in my book. I'll put the price of a new reel into an old one and swap a new engine into my car before I buy something off the showroom!
Ron
I'm with you on the engine swaps. I've done that on some of my cars over the years.
With all of the electronics I'm not so tempted to do that any more. When that stuff goes bad it's time to move on.
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 04, 2013, 10:50:10 AM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 04, 2013, 03:57:32 AM
This project has been an undertaking and I wanted to try and do something I haven't seen before. So others can do this if they decide to upgrade an older 3 pieces spool to a current one.
I just kept my cool and patiently filed and buffed the pinion to fit and thought of the big Sharks I am going to catch with this 60 year old reel! ;)
Those types of problems will make you a better repairman ;).
Where did you get that multiple drawes parts box in the back?
Its a Plano 757
I have had it over 25 years. It has been a tackle box, and numerous other hobbies throughout the years, Model Rocketry, Remote Control Nitro pit box. I think it has found its final purpose.
My Uncle use to make fun of it, and called it my sewing box.
He has a Plano that folded out on both sides and made three levels. He tipped it over one day in the boat. I said, don't you wish you had a sewing box Now! :D
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It gets Better! Evidently the stand is made from the factory for a 117 stand as well. I have an old stand. Now I just need another 33-116 instead of 33-117. The bolts are a full 1/2" wider than any of my other 12/0's.
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116 vs 117 clamp.
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...and the hits keep on rollin'!
You have definitely paid the price for going modern on that antique ;)
It'll just make it that much sweeter when you catch that monster you're in search of.
Nice job and way to stick with it.
Dom
Thanks for cheering me on Dom! I will win this battle! ;)
The price factor hasn't been that much more than a used 12/0 one piece spool. Its just the unforeseen problems that you run into. I'm down to the rings and the clamp, so that should pretty much be it! ::)
Is it just me? or is the price of Senator parts going up at Scotts? $33.80 for a 12/0 clamp! ???
Anybody have one to trade for a 14/16/0 clamp?
Wow, that's a lot for a clamp! Must be all the electronics and moving parts! :)
The Battle is about over finally. Different rings, right clamp and stand and a brace. I tried to get parts with some patina on them to give this old reel a functioning look. I did well on the parts. $5 for the clamp, $16 for all four rings and $13 for the brace.
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The rings seemed to fit a little better, but the outside handle one still didn't look right. A sanding drum on the dremel around the outside edge of the plate remedied this.
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All Done! This was the rod with the crooked Gimbal. An Okiaya 130 to 160lb Boss Hoss as its called.
I would stay away from these. It was a gift from the wife, so I am going to give it a try. I did what Harry K advised and heated the gimbal with a torch and turned it straight. Worked like a charm! I drilled a small hole and tapped a roll pin in for insurance.
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Ready to Rock! For real this time! Thanks for Watching! ;)
Thanks for sharing this. I've enjoyed the ride. Good restoration!
Very nice! I love the counterbalanced handle.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 10, 2013, 12:55:59 PM
This was the rod with the crooked Gimbal. An Okiaya 130 to 160lb Boss Hoss as its called.
I would stay away from these.
Why?
I will stay away from anything with the Okiaya name. This rod had a crooked gimbal, meaning if you put it in the fighting belt, it was not straight. Two of the rollers were tightened down so tight they wouldn't move and were not fun getting loose. My Wife bought this off Amazon. The same seller is on ebay with the Name "Okiaya". I contacted him about it. Since I couldn't touch him on ebay, he didn't seem to care and admitted these were factory seconds. This rod is now called El Gordo instead of the Boss Hoss.
I think he knew he was selling Junk, and did it anyway. Why would they let a rod out of the Factory that they knew was Junk? ::) I can just envision this thing snapping with a big fish on. We will see.
I hate to taint my post with this rant, but I think you guys should know. ;)
Congrats on the finale of this project... time to get a sharkin'!
Dom
As long as it's solid glass it will be fine
I don't think its solid glass. I think its hollow.
Just do a Sal style test and report back
One little tidbit I left out in case anybody is crazy as me to attempt this. The older 116's have a different handle screw as well. Instead of the usual one, it is the same size as the 114H.
I'm thinking 98-114AT should work on the 6/0 - 9/0 - 10/0 and 12/0, might just need a little filing on the dogs and the correct sleeve in the main gear.
So you are saying Alan's ss sleeve will work in a 10 or 12/0? I just bought four of these 98-114's. ;D
No, I'm saying if we get desperate we can make it work by doing a little customizing.
It is better to just get the needed size, but I don't see any reasons why those wouldn't work....after fine tuning them a bit.
I see. ;)