Just wondering if anyone has a source for the SS washers that are needed on the BP 114H hex gear set. Do I need to order the complete washer set from Smooth drag or Scott's?? Seems a waste due to not needing the keyed washers. Also if anyone knows where to get new bearings for the 114H and the 113H. I know it's here somewhere...it's just finding it. I could order from Boca but I'm not positive on the right size. I'm sure some of you guru's here know this off the top of your heads.
Thanks
Bob
I am Curious too Bob. I have all the other parts needed except washers. I have a couple complete sets, but I need just the keyed too. I have ss sleeves, Hex gears, ss yokes, double ss dogs, 1.40 CF sheet and no washers. Four complete sets of everything and now Chui has the 115 gears ready.
I need to work some more overtime! :P
Of some intrest on this thread I guess ??? Here is what I'm using for fabricating the cf washers to fit in the BP Hex gears. The scissors are getting right through the 1.4mm cf material. Straight and clean. From an earlier thread Sal recommended that the I.D. Be as close as possible without binding. I found that the 1/2" wood bit cut clean when backed up to a scrap 2X4. It was needing a little more so I used the dremmel with the grinding stone attachment. I was able to get pretty darn close to fitting perfectly. I will stay with that. You can see in comparison the 5/8" wood bit CF to the right. It doesn't fit the sleeve as neatly. The rest will be with the 1/2". The only other shaping after cutting off the most material around the template is on a fine grit bench grinder. The only thing I wish we're easier would be an economical punch for the center hole...any suggestions??
Bob
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You can use a gearsleeve and a belt sander to reshape metal washers or if you let me know how many you want I can cut some metal washers. I also had the water cutter cut me some CF washers that came out real nice. Sal should have a set by the end of the week to look over.
Lee,
If you do cut metal washers for the HEX gear I would like to buy 15 washers. I am not sure what the thickness should be to be able to get five of the 1.40 MM CF washers in the gear.
John
Quote from: john2244 on November 19, 2013, 04:41:17 PM
Lee,
If you do cut metal washers for the HEX gear I would like to buy 15 washers. I am not sure what the thickness should be to be able to get five of the 1.40 MM CF washers in the gear.
John
X2!! 15 would just about do it lee. The metal washers have two flats on the I.D. Right? How do you shape that with a belt sander? Can't wait to see what Sals input will be with the water cut CF's if these become available that would be great!
Thanks Lee!!
Bob
They will be keyed washers.
Slip a spacing sleeve, item #9, over the gearsleeve, then put 5 stock keyed washers on the gear sleeve and a few 9/16" or 5/8" lock washers and then clamp the stack down with the handle screw (#23), snug but not too tight.
Run the washers on the sander belt at 45% making sure the flat is square with the belt and let them spin with the gearsleeve, if the gearsleeve is off the bridge use a Philips screwdriver in the sleeve. CHECK THE OD OFTEN as you grind the washers down. When they are finished take the washers off the gearsleeve and smack the stack on your bench to break them apart. Remove the burr and you have reformed washers.
I'll cut 35 washers for now unless I get more requests.
Thanks lee.
If anyone is interested there is a NIB 114HLW with Aluminum frame on flee bay and the current bid is $81. Goes off in a few hours from now.
Quote from: Newell Nut on November 19, 2013, 07:39:06 PM
If anyone is interested there is a NIB 114HLW with Aluminum frame on flee bay and the current bid is $81. Goes off in a few hours from now.
Guess what I got for my birthday!!
Ron
Quote from: Keta on November 19, 2013, 06:39:55 PM
They will be keyed washers.
Slip a spacing sleeve, item #9, over the gearsleeve, then put 5 stock keyed washers on the gear sleeve and a few 9/16" or 5/8" lock washers and then clamp the stack down with the handle screw (#23), snug but not too tight.
Run the washers on the sander belt at 45% making sure the flat is square with the belt and let them spin with the gearsleeve, if the gearsleeve is off the bridge use a Philips screwdriver in the sleeve. CHECK THE OD OFTEN as you grind the washers down. When they are finished take the washers off the gearsleeve and smack the stack on your bench to break them apart. Remove the burr and you have reformed washers.
I'll cut 35 washers for now unless I get more requests.
I'll take 25 of them Lee.
I'll call the cutter in the morning.
I need a set for 1 reel
TomT
Lee,
Alan says the HEX gears are almost gone and he is not making more. Any chance of drawing up an insert?
Ron
Ron, I think a good $ for that reel. I was also bidding. I picked up the used frame that was also listed. Good luck with it.
Bob
Quote from: noyb72 on November 20, 2013, 07:13:11 AM
Lee,
Alan says the HEX gears are almost gone and he is not making more. Any chance of drawing up an insert?
Ron
Done and a few were cut and in the mail to Sal for testing.
FANTASTIC!
BMITCH,
It would be cool if both of us could win. My wife actually went over what I told her to (I am a lucky man) but I agree, it is a good price.
Ron
Does the 85-115 keyed washer fit in the hex gear? They are cheaper than I can cut and sell them for.
Lee, The 86-115 keyed washers fit in mine. Bob
Thanks.
Any idea how much smaller your insert is than the hex gear, or if their is a factory washer that will fit?
Ron
Bob,
How thick is the 86-115 keyed washer???
Thanks,
John
The 86-115 will fit Chui's new 114H hex gears without modification. I believe this was Sal's request. He is making it easier for us to follow his lead! ;)
I'd take 2 sets for the 114 if available.
If anyone needs washers for their Hex gears. You better jump on the Lee bandwagon. Scotts has them for cheaper, but you are only allowed to order 5 at a time. By the time you figure their shipping. Lee is the way to go. ;)
That is of course if you have more than 1 set. I have 5. If you didn't get these, you missed the chance of a lifetime! 50lbs of drag out of a 114H! There is some serious fish to be reeled in with these gears!
Sal and Doc made this Happen for us. I am forever in their gratitude! ;D
Chui too! :)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 22, 2013, 06:52:31 AM
If anyone needs washers for their Hex gears. You better jump on the Lee bandwagon. Scotts has them for cheaper, but you are only allowed to order 5 at a time. By the time you figure their shipping. Lee is the way to go. ;)
That is of course if you have more than 1 set. I have 5. If you didn't get these, you missed the chance of a lifetime! 50lbs of drag out of a 114H! There is some serious fish to be reeled in with these gears!
Sal and Doc made this Happen for us. I am forever in their gratitude! ;D
Chui too! :)
X2
I may be the only one confused here but above we are saying the 86-115 washers fit without modification and I looked at Sal's original picture of components and all metal washers are round in the ID except for one that is still keyed.
What is the correct way to make these metal washers? We need Sal's input.
The entire stack of metal washers needs to be keyed. Mine will be .040" (1.016mm) but can cut them out of .035" (.889mm) if needed.
Ron, no, there is not enough room in the gear. I will be cutting metal washers to sell as sets with the inserts.
Sal had a problem with the 114H insert I sent him and a second version has been drawn up.
Newell, I believe all the metal washers in the BP hex gear set have to be keyed. That way you get two surfaces per CF washer excluding the one in the bottom of the main gear.
Bob
The key word here is "Keyed", not eared washers. Lee, if they are .035. Can you get another CF in?
Sal says that four is enough. I am using .140 CF.
I wish the 86-115 keyed washers were the same thickness as the 7-115 eared. The eared washers are thinner. If the keyed washers were thinner the top carbon hex washer would be lower in the gear. As it is now, using 1.2mm carbon it is in danger of coming out of the top of the hex gear using a 5 +1 drag stack. If I get the time I may try take some and thin them down by about half the thickness. I can make up the space with extra spacers or Bellville washers on top of them.
the angle on the hex gears is not sharp it's rounded, four 1.40mm carbon fiber washers and stock metal washers is the safest way to go. That reel generates over 55lbs. of drag.
With Lee's inserts I would be comfortable using 7 carbon fiber washers.
7 CF washers would make an awfully smooth 40 -50 pound reel. I can't wait.
Ron
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 22, 2013, 05:36:28 PM
Lee, if they are .035. Can you get another CF in?
Sal says that four is enough. I am using .140 CF.
Quote from: Cone on November 22, 2013, 09:15:18 PM
I wish the 86-115 keyed washers were the same thickness as the 7-115 eared.
How thick are the factory 115 keyed washers?
Quote from: Keta on November 23, 2013, 01:17:22 AM
How thick are the factory 115 keyed washers?
.62" (1.57mm)
I don't have calipers or the reel with me to measure it, but they are the same thickness in mine
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 23, 2013, 02:27:44 AM
[62" (1.57mm)
The answer is, no you can't get another CF washer in the stack using .040 metal washers and 1.4mm CF. I used the 1.20mm CF (.047") and .040 washers and have a 5 CF washer stack.
Well then,lets just make this a little more complicated. Sal says the original washers are .62 and it does fine with a four stack and 1.40 CF. If you cut them .035, that should make room for 5. I'm just worried about heat buildup. The stock washers will hold the heat longer, but will take longer to get hot. The .035's will get hot quicker, but cool off faster. What do you guys think?
Maybe I should just stock with the .40's.
I would, the drag is more than needed with 4.
And keep in mind that 4 hex washers equal 7 standard washers.
Alright then, .40's it is. Did you have any cut yet Lee?
Quote from: Shark Hunter on November 23, 2013, 04:46:00 AM
Alright then, .40's it is. Did you have any cut yet Lee?
They were going to cut them today but they got busy. I'm going down to the shop in the morning to get some scrap to practice on with my new TIG welder and I'll ask him if he can get them cut Monday.
Cals grease and pouring water on the side plate is the solution, getting tagged by the star aint fun. Took a month for what looked like an "alumanati symbol" as some tourist put it to go away from my arm