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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Shark Hunter on December 31, 2013, 08:54:28 PM

Title: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 31, 2013, 08:54:28 PM
Since my Holiday furlough is about over. I better get some Hex Drags Cut. Its Hard enough to cut a perfect hex, but it makes it more difficult when the hex gear is not a perfect Hex either. I made a template out of a credit card.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22021_zpsc247083b.jpg)
I cut out three sets. One went into the WEX. I'm saving one for the Dom and Tom frame. One set is going in this Half Frame. I am very happy with the fit.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22031_zps825ceb44.jpg)
Its nice working on a reel you don't have to clean and polish first!
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22041_zpsfde995cb.jpg)
Another bonus is that all the screws are the same length on these Aluminum frames.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22051_zps0a2bebcd.jpg)
The only problem I ran into was I broke one of the stand screws trying to straighten it. No biggie.(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22061_zpse2c29c84.jpg)
I know it feels nice and smooth! Black Pearl's Hex gears, ss sleeve, yoke and Dog. I can't wait to put it on a scale to see some drag numbers! No problems with the eccentric either.
My son and his Guinea Pig Oreo were supervising.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22011_zpsc3ecc728.jpg)
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Alto Mare on January 01, 2014, 03:09:36 AM
You're getting very good with those washers, good job. I'm guessing over 50lb. on a scale. ;)
I wonder how that pig would taste with potatoes :-\.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: floating doc on January 01, 2014, 05:11:17 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 01, 2014, 03:09:36 AM
You're getting very good with those washers, good job. I'm guessing over 50lb. on a scale. ;)
I wonder how that pig would taste with potatoes :-\.

Whistle pigs can make nice pets. I usually just treat cats and dogs, but I had one in the clinic today. Still, they were domesticated as food animals. 


Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Ron Jones on January 01, 2014, 05:55:10 AM
They eat a LOT of whistle pig in Peru!! Everywhere we went they had it on the menu, if their was something turning on a spit you didn't need to ask what it was. I don't eat weird so I wasn't interested. If anyone wants to know how to make GREAT white sea bass ceviche, I recomend a weekend in Lima.

As far as the drags, keep the tips coming. My tube framed 114HLW is in pieces right now and will need those drags soon.
Ron
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Tightlines667 on January 01, 2014, 06:04:26 AM
Pigs for food = sustainable
Chilean White Sea Bass....not so much
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Ron Jones on January 01, 2014, 06:30:56 AM
Who said anything about Chilean sea bass? What I grew up catching as white sea bass out of So Cal is called Corvina in Peru. Funny, I used to catch corvina in the surf and it wasn't white sea bass! Anyways, those boys down there know how to make it into ceviche. They even usually have some from yesterday for guys like me who need it to cook longer.
Ron
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Tightlines667 on January 01, 2014, 07:04:19 AM
My bad, I know alot of S.American counties have a history of routinely marketing White Sea Bass as Chilean Sea Bass, and have often passed off bass as pategonian toothfish when they are absolutley nothing alike.  Off course, more abundant species are typically passed off as the species that demand higher market prices (which in some cases were caught in an underegulated unsubstainable manner).  Thankfully the modern consumer has become a little more educated regarding what they are eating.

I love the seemingly endless varities of Ceviche found around the globe.  I've had 2 types of Filipino, Samoan, Fijian, Kiribati, Vanauatu, Spanish, Marshallese, Hawaiian (severel different types), mexican (2 types), Beemudian, and Australian.  I think my favorite is the spicy Mexican YFT, bermudian wahoo (they have really good fish chowder too), and surprisingly the Ono belly Fillipino style.  Now I'm getting hungry.

I had to recut my hex washers, after being unhappy with the initial results.  I cut a piece of thin cardboard first, then, a thin (0.5mm)CF template.  This made cutting the thicker CF washers a much easier and consistent process then my old method of individually marking thick CF material with flour.  Still not perfect (like laser cut would be?) but they have good corners /edges and are pretty close fits. 
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: TomT on January 02, 2014, 06:03:51 AM
I followed Bob and Shark Hunter's advice about making a template.  I also used an old credit card and it worked well.  Now I need to drill the holes.  What bits did you use??and what size--I assume 5/8" ?   Any advice(like stacking them together and drilling all at one time) ??  How do you hold them in place while drilling??  I would hate to damage them now that I have them cut to shape. Thanks,
TomT
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 02, 2014, 09:52:19 AM
I'm sure there is a better way Tom, but this is how I did mine. I had the gear and sleeve on my bench. I would put two or three in the gear and drill a hole with a 1/4" bit as center as I could eyeball it. The take them out and put the sleeve in the gear. Then take my Dremel with a small diameter sanding drum and sand the hole to fit tight on the sleeve. Very Tedious, but I wanted a tight fit on the sleeve and didn't want to mess them up after getting this far. Making small cuts and then checking for fit.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: bluefish69 on January 02, 2014, 06:04:34 PM
You could also use a multi bit
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 02, 2014, 06:45:10 PM
What's a multi bit? Mike.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: bluefish69 on January 02, 2014, 07:35:52 PM
It's a stepped bit. There are different sizes, The one you would want goes from about 1/16" - 3/4" all on one bit. Harbor Freight has them on their monthly flier.

Mike
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 02, 2014, 07:40:44 PM
I know what your talking about. The problem I run into, is that my center hole for the sleeve might not be perfectly centered. You can remedy this with the sanding method. Just take a little at a time and sit it in the gear to center it up.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on January 02, 2014, 10:50:21 PM
Ignoring personal problems - "my hole might not be perfectly centered" - Place a drag washer in the gear - Hold in place with a finger or two - Turn it over - Mark the washer, through the sleeve hole, with a chinagraph pencil (or similar). Step drill/Dremel/punch - Job done  :)
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: BMITCH on January 03, 2014, 12:04:44 AM
What I did was to mark out squares on the 1.4mm sheet that would larger than the finished washer. Then mark center of those squares( simple right...corner to corner). Drill the hole(1/2" wood bore). Made a template of the inside of the gear( using sheet metal and a bench grinder) . Cut out the squares then match up the template and hold realllllllll tight a d grind down and fit up. Good luck!!
Bob
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 03, 2014, 12:42:00 AM
You have to do what works best for you I guess. This is not a task you are going to just zip through. It takes a little time and patience to get it right. I know the CF sheets cost too much to mess up. I did it the best way I could with the tools I had and it worked for me.
Anybody else to contribute? There has to be an easier way for a beginner to do it. A Sharpened hex punch out tool would be the ideal setup.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: bluefish69 on January 03, 2014, 01:06:00 AM
Maybe Sal in making one as his first project. If I were you I would ask him to make 2. one for each of you.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 03, 2014, 01:10:52 AM
Good Thinking Mike! You hear us Sal, Ole buddy! ;)
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: BMITCH on January 03, 2014, 01:42:44 AM
Anyone try and punch through 1.4 yet. Pretty GD tough!
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 03, 2014, 02:32:34 AM
I think a press would be in order here Bob.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: bluefish69 on January 03, 2014, 04:39:30 AM
Daron

I think Sal is caught in the Blizzard that we are enjoying at present. He's just too quite.

Mike
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 03, 2014, 04:48:52 AM
Yea, I'm getting some of that here too. I just got home from work and it is cold! and slippery out! :o
He's probably on that unimat as we speak.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Dominick on January 03, 2014, 07:16:10 PM
Sunny and 68 degrees here.   :D  Dominick
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 03, 2014, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: Pescachaser on January 03, 2014, 07:16:10 PM
Sunny and 68 degrees here.   :D  Dominick
Whatever! Dominick! ;D
Its 10 degrees here!
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Tightlines667 on January 03, 2014, 08:36:26 PM
We are in the midst of a severe winter cold spell here...


72 and cloudy

:(
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: BMITCH on January 03, 2014, 11:34:11 PM
Wind outta the NE and COLD!! High today on my thermometer was 12. Nice!
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: bluefish69 on January 03, 2014, 11:47:56 PM
Sure we can all laugh because Sal is missing but he is building some secret fishing reel part that all of us want.

Mike

When he is quiet be careful.......
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Alto Mare on January 04, 2014, 02:39:07 AM
No Mike, just trying to keep warm here. I didn't play with that lathe yet, well except for the first day. 
The lathe didn't come with the tool holder, I will need to wait for that.
While waiting, I did customize something I had lying around, you should know what this is ;D.
Any idea?
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/002_zpsb1a31955.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/002_zpsb1a31955.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 04, 2014, 03:20:49 AM
Bearing Puller
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Tightlines667 on January 04, 2014, 03:36:02 AM
I want one ;)
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Alto Mare on January 04, 2014, 03:37:55 AM
Right you are Daron ;). The 114h bearings could be a pain to remove at times, there is no way to hold the bearing cup. I can now clamp the ProPex brass fitting on a vise and go to work with my bearing pullers.
The brass fitting has been modified on my lathe, the cup is a perfect fit.
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/004_zps0f3fade0.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/004_zps0f3fade0.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/005_zps330a5f9a.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/005_zps330a5f9a.jpg.html)
They will also work on the screw on cup.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: bluefish69 on January 04, 2014, 04:08:13 AM
Looks nice Sal but we used to make our own adapters using Compression fittings & Barb Couplings. We just soldered them together with 50/50.  You could make that with a minor adjustment to a Compression Fitting & dremel.  I only have the Reel Speed Bearing Puller.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Alto Mare on January 04, 2014, 04:32:32 AM
Yeah, I'm starting to see Sharkbite fittings on my jobs, soon I will tell the plumber to stay home and I'll do it myself ;D.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: BMITCH on January 04, 2014, 10:17:29 AM
Very nice Sal.  ;)
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Bryan Young on January 04, 2014, 11:38:57 AM
Oh, I understand how it works now Sal.  Very creative.
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: bluefish69 on January 04, 2014, 03:32:07 PM
Shark Bites came after me. I did a different kind of Plumbing, I did Pneumatic Controls using anywhere from 20# - 100# of air pressure. Most days a 1/8" screwdriver was my main tool to make adjustments other days could be a 1 3/16" Box Wrench. I did put my share of Cast Iron Pipe in building, TP Tubing etc.

Mike
Title: Re: 114HLW Hex Drags
Post by: Keta on January 04, 2014, 04:42:02 PM
I was a journeyman millwright/powerhouse mechanic for many years, I could start the day with a 1/4" screwdriver adjusting governors and work up to really large tools during the day.  My wrenches go to 3" and my 3/4" sockets to 3-1/2".