Ok guys I have been buying all my big reels lately but I neglected the reels that I actually use here in arizona for flathead fishing. I use to use abu garcia 7000ic3 but they really weren't cutting it and they're not penns lol. I need a reel that has roughly the same line capacity a little more never hurt. The big factor is I need something capable of 20-25lb of drag. Also I wanted to be able to at least put a tiburon frame on it. I was thinking about a 500 or a 505 jigmaster but would it be capable of this drag numbers??
yes but you will need to tank it out completely. Why not fish a 113hn?
Quote from: maxpowers on January 28, 2014, 06:35:56 PM
yes but you will need to tank it out completely. Why not fish a 113hn?
I was thinking about building a 113h narrow but I just don't need THAT much line capacity. Most of the season I'm only casting my baits under 100 yards. I have reels for the winter for when I need to get them farther out.
you can find a used baja special for about 150 if you look around. since you're fishing 20 25 lbs of drags i assumed you will be using at least 60 to 80 lbs test line. not sure you will get enough line on a penn 500 for that purpose. the baja special is a narrowed 113h with about 30 lbs of drags out of the box.
We'll I run 150lb power pro. Which is 30lb mono diamater. I mean I could probably just back it with larger mono to fill the spool a bit. And I would have the extra line if I needed it
I fished the Colorado for cats during the non summer months when I was a kid. Our big rigs were all 112Hs. I never caught any true monsters, 35-40 pound flat heads is about our biggest, but the reels were always up for the challenge. A tibbed, all stainless, steel geared 3/0 would be perfect. If you are fishing live bait the slower grouper special would be even better. Where are you fishing?
Ron
I fish a lot up here at Bartlett lake and lake pleasant. But were going to be taking a Colorado tip here in a few weeks. Probably around Blythe
Just like to be ready for these bad boys. 73 pounds of pure muscle
This is my buddy jake Elbert's fish he caught just a few weeks ago at Bartlett lake. And mind you he's tipping 300lbs
(http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab74/careychristopher41/EB6FF980-B7FF-4389-BC52-A95923861621_zps8pkweef2.jpg) (http://s851.photobucket.com/user/careychristopher41/media/EB6FF980-B7FF-4389-BC52-A95923861621_zps8pkweef2.jpg.html)
Nice fish.
We were always further South down by Winterhaven. I loved fishing off the Pilot Knob railroad bridge.
Ron
Wow Chris, that's a big cat! Maybe you should just spool up that 114h. ;)
I'm really leaning towards the Baja special. It's has all the features I'm looking for and it's had great reviews. Mr. Tani even called it best in class
I am adding a bit more drag capability to mine by cutting .90 mm cf drags and adding hopefully 1 to 2 more metal washers. I think I could add at least 1 maybe 2 more to the reel.
Doest it use those weird ear washers??
yeah. The same as the penn 525MAG I think. Alan measured them to be 1.26mm and there are 4 in there with 3 metal washers. I think I can add at least 5 in there. Will see if I can do 6.
I think it could be done actually. If you went with 1.0 mm it would come up at just about the exact same as a 4 stack. I bet you could get it too right around 35 cranked down full.
113 hn all Day 8)
A narrowed 112H, a 501 or a narrowed 113H would be my suggestions, in that order.
Don't take offense here fellas. I'm just telling you how I see it in my mind. There is nothing wrong with the 112H or Baja or the 113, but pound for pound. The 114H can put all the Muscle these reels can on a fish for less than a Benjamin. I love tricking out my reels as much as anyone here, but after I built the Tank, I put into perspective what it costs to do that. Sure, its a compact package and Bad as Hell, but for my Money, I'm fishing 114's and up!
That little Surfmaster 200 I put together this past weekend. It is nice and I like it, but for the amount of money It cost me to Tib it out and put in the 5 stack and ss sleeve, I could have put a 5 stack in a stock 114H that would run circles around it and still have money left over. ;D
I use my 113HN "Tank" for pacific halibut and I think it would be over kill for most FH cats. The 114H is a much stronger but larger and heavier reel. My Surfmasters (150 and 100) are inshore rockfish/salmon reels.
113H, 30 ounces, 114H, 47 ounces. I think the weight difference far outweighs the performance benefits.
I saw a large Bull Shark,(150lbs) caught on a stock 113 from Shore. They had to follow it around on a kayak for almost two hours to keep from getting spooled. Granted, it wasn't the Tank, but I think a 114H with its spool capacity and power could have cut that time to 30 minutes without having to follow it.
Not many sharks in AZ though.
I don't know much about 6/0 reels except I want a Black one to match my 3/0 & 4/0. What's the difference between the 114H & a 6/0? I just went through Ebay & there are at least 3 models.
Quote from: bluefish69 on January 29, 2014, 02:14:28 AM
I don't know much about 6/0 reels except I want a Black one to match my 3/0 & 4/0. What's the difference between the 114H & a 6/0? I just went through Ebay & there are at least 3 models.
The 114h is just the technical name for a 6/0. There is a 114 with black sideplates that has a slower gear ration and the 114h with its red or maroon sideplates that has a higher gear ratio. I would recommend the 114h as there is more upgrades available for it. Internal wise that is
Quote from: bluefish69 on January 29, 2014, 02:14:28 AM
I don't know much about 6/0 reels except I want a Black one to match my 3/0 & 4/0. What's the difference between the 114H & a 6/0? I just went through Ebay & there are at least 3 models.
A 6/0 is a size, the 114H is a Senator model of that size. MysticParts.com (Scott's Bait & Tackle) has lots of good info on all things Penn:
https://www.mysticparts.com/Repair/114Hversions.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/Repair/114Hversions.aspx)
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
For the cats he's catching, a stock 112h would do fine. A steel gear and a 5+1 kit in a used 112H would be $75-$80. He'd eventually want a stainless sleeve with that much drag but he'd be OK for the first few trips. I'm guessing he'll be using a 60# class rod. Most of those are a little skinny for the foot of a 114H.
I like fly lining craw-dads to bass in rivers and anchovies to bass in the Pacific. In fact I'd rather pitch to calicos in kelp patties than sail around all day hoping for one big fish. Your surfmaster is about perfect for that, it is not really feasible with a 6/0.
I love your 114 HLWs. I'm putting together a set of my own. But a 50 BMG is not appropriate when squirrel or deer hunting.
Ron
I have more 349s (9) than 114H reels but my 114H collection is my second largest, followed by the smaller Surfmasters and then Jigmasters. My preferred Pacific halibut reels are my 349s and 113HNs but for smaller fish I prefer a lighter reel unless forced to fish deep.
Quote from: Keta on January 29, 2014, 04:09:42 AM
I have more 349s than 114H reels but my 114H collection is my second largest, followed by the smaller Surfmasters and then Jigmasters.
Another fan of the Mariner series! I'm not sure what I have the most of but it is 49s, 500s or 309s.
Sorry to hear you were sick over the weekend but I sure enjoyed sitting in your seat on Rod's boat.
Quote from: Lensters on January 29, 2014, 04:17:51 AM
Sorry to hear you were sick over the weekend but I sure enjoyed sitting in your seat on Rod's boat.
I sure didn't want to cancel on trip but I didn't feel like driving that far feeling this bad and risk "sharing" this crud.
The reason I like to squeeze more performance out of the jigmasters and the smaller reels is because my hands are too small to really fish the big senators comfortably. Most of my fishing are done from cattle boats and need light maneuverable reels. I could go buy the lever drag reels and truth be told, after a lot of upgrades the cost of my jigmasters, 112H, and progear cost as much or more than a mid-level avet. But I like to tinker and have a fondness for star drags..
Quote from: noyb72 on January 29, 2014, 03:37:08 AM
For the cats he's catching, a stock 112h would do fine. A steel gear and a 5+1 kit in a used 112H would be $75-$80. He'd eventually want a stainless sleeve with that much drag but he'd be OK for the first few trips. I'm guessing he'll be using a 60# class rod. Most of those are a little skinny for the foot of a 114H.
I like fly lining craw-dads to bass in rivers and anchovies to bass in the Pacific. In fact I'd rather pitch to calicos in kelp patties than sail around all day hoping for one big fish. Your surfmaster is about perfect for that, it is not really feasible with a 6/0.
I love your 114 HLWs. I'm putting together a set of my own. But a 50 BMG is not appropriate when squirrel or deer hunting.
Ron
All good points Ron. I don't even freshwater fish anymore. Once I started Sharkin'. I sold my Fish-n-ski and bought a Kayak. Its the Salt life for me and I'm not bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 29, 2014, 09:17:48 AM
All good points Ron. I don't even freshwater fish anymore. Once I started Sharkin'. I sold my Fish-n-ski and bought a Kayak. Its the Salt life for me and I'm not bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Or hunting elephant with a mouse rifle.
Lee,
Aparently their are some people who think that is fun, the 7mm Mauser has taken quite a few elephant back in it's day. Today, many of the Magnumatics wouldn't use it on anything bigger than a squirrel! ;D
Ron
A cut down Brazilian 7mm Mauser was the rifle I taught my kids to shoot, no 22s. I love it.
Quote from: Keta on January 29, 2014, 11:34:01 PM
A cut down Brazilian 7mm Mauser was the rifle I taught my kids to shoot, no 22s. I love it.
Here you go Son. Fire this Cannon! :D
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 30, 2014, 12:15:21 AM
Quote from: Keta on January 29, 2014, 11:34:01 PM
A cut down Brazilian 7mm Mauser was the rifle I taught my kids to shoot, no 22s. I love it.
Here you go Son. Fire this Cannon! :D
My daughters shot it too, the stock was made to fit a kid and I down loaded light bullets for them.
That there is the way you do it. My daughter shot my 41 Mag blackhawk when she was 7, but the cases were loaded with Trail Boss.
Ron