Hey guys, my name is Chris I've been sneeking around here for a while, and am new to the whole forum thing, but wanted to say thanks for sharing your know how! I have hard time leaving anything stock, form cars, bikes, boats, and now my fishing gear!! I thought I would share one of my little projects inspired by you guys, I picked up a Squidder Jr 146 for too cheap, it already had a Tiburon frame, an Newell spool, and CF drags in the gear. So Alan kindly sent me a gear sleeve a CF washer for under the gear, I added a handle, bearings, a steel main gear and lapped it with pinion gear to smooth it up and then gave it the Alan-tuneup. Hope the pictures come through.
glad everything worked out. and welcome!!!!!
Nice work! That's a cool reel you have there. I love squidders.
Aloha Chris!
Welcome in, the little Penn 146 is a great place to start with.
thanks for sharing and looking forward to seeing more of your hot-rodding skills.
Welcome Chris!
Hey Chris....
Where-id-ja get that stainless gear?
Quote from: WOTHoyt on February 12, 2014, 09:33:32 AM
Hey Chris....
Where-id-ja get that stainless gear?
Ebay, search for Penn main gear
Might come up,with some steel gears, but not stainless
Leo, WELCOME! Nice reel. I like the handle. Thanks for sharing
Bob
I have a couple left hand retrieve 146's, I would like to order a stainless gear sleeve - is it the same part as RH or is there a LH as well?
Is that how you got yours....e-bay search for Penn main gear! Seriously, have you ever done that? Man....we're talkin plethora of gears or in other words a s-load of gears. Penn/Scott doesn't specifically show them. E-bone doesn't have them. Been there, done that. Several times and with some really creative search titles.
Is there anything just a little bit more specific that you could suggest? I mean I can feel myself getting older as I scroll through all the "Penn Main Gears on e-bay". Been there, did that! Could it be just the later versions of the Squidder like the 146L that got the steel gears and the numbers are still the same?
Help...........
Hey Bob, whacha no?
Thanks guys, WOThoyt, it's just a steel gear than cleaned up nice. if I understand correctly the older penns have these steel gears, newer ones have brass. The Squidder, and Surfmaster and some others have the 5-60 main gear.
I had some trouble finding this one, ebay is a good place to find them. I found some of these gears have a recess on the bottom of the gear, some have a raised step, and some are flat on the bottom of the gear?????? I do know not all of them work, maybe someone will have some insight on this. I'll try to get some pics, it's easier to see than explain.
Here are some pics of the gears, the one on the right is raised about .020", the brass one is flat (it's the one out of my reel), and the one on the left is recessed. I wound up using the recessed gear. The raised seemed to put the pinion in a bind and chattered pretty bad, it also didn't let the pinion disengage all the way sometimes when in free spool. Maybe some one else has run into this before, any thoughts?
I like Penn 146 very much. Did you use the Pinion gear that was already in your reel when you installed the steel main gear?
I tried a couple different pinions, even the one that matched the gear with raised step that came out of a surfmaster. Same problem...
The main gear 5-60 is the same in both a Squidder and a Surfmaster. It works in some other Penns as well. The Squidder uses pinion gear 13-140 but the Surfmaster has a 13-200 pinion gear. So, you can only use the main gear from any of these other reels. Even if you have the matching pinion from the donor reel, it might be the wrong part to work in your Squidder..
Why do you think that it works out that way? The main from another reel will work in the Squidder but the pinion from that same donor reel may not. Is the center line of the pinion different on the Squidder vs. the other donor reel? Ultimately, I would like to find another pinion with a couple more teeth that I can get to work with the 146 main. Is there such a critter.
I stuck a 500 Jigmaster pinion in the works and although I didn't put the side plate back on the 146.....it did crank! I am going to do it again and install the side plate with the spool in it and then see if it spins. BUT there are the same amount of teeth on both pinions so no there's no net gain. The retrieve on the 146 is just too slow.
The pinions are different because the spools are different. He doesn't think it works that way, it works that way. The Squidder has bearings and it's spool shaft is longer in order to go through the bearings, the 13-140 Pinion is designed to accommodate the Squidder's long spool shaft. The Surfmaster has bushings and it's spool shaft is short, the 13-200 pinion is designed to support that. So, you can put the main gear of a Squidder in a surfmaster but not a pinion and vice versa. THis really doesn't matter to much because all the pinions are steel. So, you need to use the pinion from your reel and a steel 5-60 gear to have the strongest gear set.
Ron
Quote from: WOTHoyt on February 28, 2014, 03:32:46 AM
I would like to find another pinion with a couple more teeth that I can get to work with the 146 main. Is there such a critter.
No!...that's a good thing, if they did exist they would last as long as the 13-505 :-\.
Noyb72 makes a very good point about differences in the spools. In reply #12 Leo tried several different pinions without luck and showed 3 different main gears. The donor gearset from a 200 surfmaster has the same main (5-60) but a different pinion (13-200) than his 146 squidder (13-140). There is a good chance that all 3 main gears in the photo would have worked if installed with the original pinion gear that was in the reel before the swap.
WOTHoyt, the 500 pinion gear will mesh with the 5-60 main gear. Brian's very nice Penn 259 narrow conversion uses this combination. I looked it up because I'd never seen one and didn't know what a 259 was. The gear spacing on the bridge may be different. Let us know how it works out..
Quote from: doradoben on March 01, 2014, 05:21:02 AM
Noyb72 makes a very good point about differences in the spools.
No, the 112h has a longer spool shaft and comes with bushings.
The 13-140, 13-200 and 13-500 have the same 12 teeth.
You could place the surfmaster's pinion in the squidder, but you couldn't place the squidder's in the surfmaster. Well , you could, but you would need to drill the bottom of the pinion a little so it could slide on the bushing.
There is no need to do so, it doesn't change anything, I'm just answering Ron's comment above.
Well it could come handy if you hand one of the 3 mentioned and weren't sure.
Wow! Whadda Pandora's box of gobble 'd goo. After all that, I think the stock set-up is just fine. Unless you have a water jet cutter and nothing better to do. Where is buddy Carl when you need something Penn.
Hey guys just wanted to clarify, the trouble seems to be with the main gears, I used squidder pinions and still had the chatter and free spool problems. I tried a surfmaster pinion but noticed it had a larger ID for the spool that uses bushings. Only had trouble with the main gears that had a raised lip on the bottom, even ones that were out of other squidders. Never really figured out why.... It's workin great now with the recessed gear in it