I don't have a set of calipers yet to measure. But does anybody know the thickness of the metal drag washers.
Quote from: Topshot on February 06, 2014, 12:05:22 AM
I don't have a set of calipers yet to measure. But does anybody know the thickness of the metal drag washers.
I do, but they are at home. I will soon come out with a 5 stack for that reel as well. Just haven't had the chance to do a fitment yet.
Bryan
Quote from: Bryan Young on February 06, 2014, 12:34:04 AM
Quote from: Topshot on February 06, 2014, 12:05:22 AM
I don't have a set of calipers yet to measure. But does anybody know the thickness of the metal drag washers.
I do, but they are at home. I will soon come out with a 5 stack for that reel as well. Just haven't had the chance to do a fitment yet.
Bryan
Thanks a lot Bryan. That's what I was tryin to look at doing. I just need to go buy some calipers soon. There pretty useful
I can tell you this...the metal washers and CF washers for a 5 stack are 0.5 mm thick each.
I think Sal has done one of his squidders.
Perfect. I'll have to order up some of ur metal washers
I just got some .5 sheet Chris from Wallace for my Squidder 5 stack. I already have Bryan's washers. I be cutting some this weekend. PM me your address and I'll send you a set of CF's. Wallace has a good deal on this sheet.
The drags I'm cutting are for a Surfmaster 200. Does the squidder use the same drags?
The squidder 146 uses the 5-60 main gear and 6-60 drags, according to penn parts. The surfmaster 200 uses the same. You are working on a squidder 146? Right Chris?
Quote from: Shark Hunter on February 06, 2014, 09:22:37 AM
The drags I'm cutting are for a Surfmaster 200. Does the squidder use the same drags?
The squidder 146 uses the 5-60 main gear and 6-60 drags, according to penn parts. The surfmaster 200 uses the same. You are working on a squidder 146? Right Chris?
Yup sure am
10-4 ;D
You guys are right on time. I finished my 500s and then my 506s. I have my 114H all over the place and now it is time for the 146 Squidmachine. So if it motivates and inspires...I'll take a 5 plate stack please.
FYI, the metal washers are the same hardened SS at 0.5 mm (0.020 in.) thick.
Unfortunately, due to the tooling, the cost per washer is $3. If you want a complete drag set including carbontex washers, including under carbontex washers, the cost is $25. I do have a belleville but have not done a fitment to see if there is any interference with the side plate. I am hoping to get away from the wave spring washer if possible.
Bryan
Is there a concern with the .5mm plates flexing inside the gear? I would even be happy with a 4 plate stack. It has been my experience that with the stock brass gears the first CF drag washer likes to adhere to the gear. A 4th plate would just keep it working the way it should on a 2 day trip.
As soon as there is any CF wear and the grease gets a little bit of CF residue mixed in, it goes to sticking to the gear. This will happen to my 146 in one hard day of casting/yoyo and a Mexican YT limit @ less that 20# each. That is not working that reel that hard. I almost want to put a composite disk in the first position to keep it from freezing to the gear. This does not happen with the SS gears in my 500s!
I use a Penn, under sleeve, nylon washer (010-060?) not a CF piece for the +1 technique. In fact I don't care for the +1 on any of my reels. The drag goes in the gear! It's a multi-plate clutch design and that outside flex point really bothers me. Some Nyloil material would really be the ticket and a couple of .005 slices under the gear sleeve would take out some of that slop as well.
What's your take?
That's a whole other topic Hoyt. There are some long threads about this.
I am excited about this stack. This gear is in the Squidders, the Surfmasters and most if not all of the 85 reels. It is also the same size as the slow Senators which are thicker so you can stuff at least 7 in there. That is a bunch of different reels.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on February 11, 2014, 01:46:20 AM
I am excited about this stack. This gear is in the Squidders, the Surfmasters and most if not all of the 85 reels. It is also the same size as the slow Senators which are thicker so you can stuff at least 7 in there. That is a bunch of different reels.
Ron
Too bad for you that most of those reels come with the thumb screw take apart feature :-\
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 11, 2014, 02:10:36 AM
Too bad for you that most of those reels come with the thumb screw take apart feature :-\
D'oh!!!! (http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/homer06.gif) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/homer06.gif.html)
Are you kidding, first off, I'm in this for the community. The cooler stuff that comes out for everyone the better. Second, I LOVE the 85 spool, it is a great size for all sorts of fishing. Third, I have a grouper special and am putting together two more and a 7+1 stack for them would be great. You all fish all the exploding reels all you want.
Funny, more people put up that picture when they are describing me.....
Apologies for opening Pandora's box with the plus 1, chicken or the egg question.
So here is the question of the day.....I have seen stainless steel main gears for the Squidder. One right here by a guy that goes by the name "gear_head". His thread is simply called "146 Squidder". About the 3rd picture down is a bright shiny SS main. Where do people find SS mains for the 'lil Squidmachine?
I found and bought one of those black steel ones. I forget the name of the process that makes them black but it's kind of like nitriding except it's black. I did an old gun with the chemicals on my kitchen stove. Came out pretty nice. None the less I would really like a new and shiny stainless one.
So someone, please tell me where these babies come from?
The bright shiney squidder gear you saw was not stainless, it was just fresh, uncorroded or treated carbon steel. Leave it the water for a (very) brief period and it will begin to et pretty rust spots. Let the rust cover the gear and then "card" off the rust and you will end up with a black gear. I love the steel gears, very strong and inexpensive.
Ron
i loved the steel gears. no worry about stressing them. btw the undergear eared washer glued to the sleeve and a super thin full sized cf washer is really smooth..
I have some steel gears that were chromed that came out of a few jigmasters. I'm not sure when Penn was doing this but I have 2 of them left.
I am just trying to keep all of my modifications complimenting each other. And I wouldn't mind if my rigs would last another thirty years.
A chromed/steel main for a Jigmaster that'll fit in a Squidder? I thought the Squid gear was kinda small compared to any of the Jigmasters. I haven't seen them all so that may very well be true. Although an extra tooth on the pinion would be interesting.
And I am pretty sure the black stuff on those gears is a Parkerizing process. I scraped and ground and polished the hell out of one from a 500 just to see what was under there and it weren't rust. Goes in a thousandth and on a thousandth. Pretty hard stuff and kinda lumpy if you don't have your temps right.
I would be able to have a NEW steel gear coated with the PTFE that they use inside of industrial transmission for monster earth moving excavators. I have another outfit that may be able to burn on a ceramic coat. Don't know about if the expansion properties of bronze is compatible with ceramic.
This could be fun. Any ideas?
Hoyt, my comment only relates to gears that may appear to be stainless but may have been chromed.
Innumerable apologies for my misunderstanding. Referring to your inventory status suggested the possible need or usage of one of them for my purpose. I made another mistake by writing that bronze and ceramic were incompatible when the train of thought was on steel gears. Fired ceramic coatings would be compatible on a steel gear but back lash could chip such an application. >:( I think the PTFE coating is the ticket on gears.
I have an industrial ceramic coating company reviewing a spool shaft and bushings for a 500 to see if there could be measurable friction savings with their product/service. I have also sent them a pinion gear to see if the tolerances between pinion and spool shaft could be tightened up without binding. They can actually build thickness of this product onto a steel item like hard-chrome on a crankshaft or turbo shaft. We'll have to see when I get them back.
Google "Gear Kote", I'm going to try to revive some old Jigmaster gears with the stuff.
Now that is some kind of interesting. I remember Gun-Kote but Gear Kote is a new one on me. Gives me some ideas and I won't have to farm it out. I hate ideas that don't pan out and I have have to pay somebody on top of the failure.
Prevents, extends, prolongs, increases and lubricates....sounds like some snake oil, cure all but it quotes mil spec and that's impressive.
Quote from: WOTHoyt on February 14, 2014, 03:03:20 AM
Now that is some kind of interesting. I remember Gun-Kote but Gear Kote is a new one on me. Gives me some ideas and I won't have to farm it out. I hate ideas that don't pan out and I have have to pay somebody on top of the failure.
Prevents, extends, prolongs, increases and lubricates....sounds like some snake oil, cure all but it quotes mil spec and that's impressive.
Well they sell the most sought after version of PTFE and they still recommend this stuff. I bought three colors of Gun Kote, the high pressure PTFE, of course the K-Phos pretreatment along with the Gear Kote. I'm going to start spraying and baking tomorrow. If the regular steel gears go well I'm going to try coating some stainless gears and see how much smoother it makes them (they are already lapped so pretty smooth to start with). Hopefully in a week or so I'll have some pictures of finished reels and a report on the gears.
Alan T had some steel gears for a 114H and although I dismissed the idea, after talking with you I asked him to scrounge them up. Colors?? Never thought of that. I was always wanting to send off a bunch of 500 chrome and have it stripped, nickel-ed and color chromed but the quote was stratospheric. Now I think I could do something to make my rigs immediately identifiable hanging there on the boat rack.
I am defiantly going to burn some on my spool shafts that ride in bushings. I had farmed out a spool and bushings to a ceramic coating company and now I can do it in my oven. HA! Thank you, thank you for reminding me that this product and process was out there. Although the gun guys piss and moan about it, I just think they're taking it places that really push the product past its limitations. But fishing reels....this could be a lot of fun....thank you, thank you.
I have a couple old "Reel E-Z" cranks that are all brassed out, hmmmm, what color.....
I've thought that it would work great on spool spindles but its probably going to require aluminum or stainless spools and then it'll be a little tricky getting it and keeping it where you want it. I'm still working on coating gears and yokes. Getting a proper layer of K-Phos down, even before the Gear Kote, is tricky. I've changed from a touchup sized paint gun to a air brush.
I've had all the chromed pieces of a reel soaking in carb cleaner for over a week now waiting for their turn. They should be very clean once I've baked them.
Bryan- do you have any 5 stack kits in stock for a 146 squidder ?
Quote from: pigway on June 15, 2015, 04:59:39 PM
Bryan- do you have any 5 stack kits in stock for a 146 squidder ?
I am currently out of drag kits. I placed an order for the metal drag washers and anticipate that it will take about 2-4 weeks for the order to be filled by my cutter. Sorry.