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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Alto Mare on March 29, 2014, 11:04:19 PM

Title: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on March 29, 2014, 11:04:19 PM
Last week I noticed this little reel for sale and I had to have it ;D, I'm showing it next to my 146 for size comparison
(http://i.imgur.com/qg7Wbmm.jpg)
as you can see from the photo, the spool is smaller than the Squidder
(http://i.imgur.com/SRrHMu9.jpg)
I've opened a few reels in the past, but this one really amazed me, very nice design.
The main gear and pinion are both stainless steel, the main gear is the same size as the 113H and the pinion is the same as the Squidder, but the teeth are a little beefier. I believe the Squidder pinion would work with this main gear if we had to. ***The Squidder pinion will not work on this reel*** .
(http://i.imgur.com/iH130fV.jpg)
What surprised me the most on this reel was the spool shaft on the clicker side, it is as big as the 114H.
This little reel comes already packed with goodies, lets see what else I could squeeze in it ;D
Here is what I came up with, upgrades are on the right
(http://i.imgur.com/fLvdDOY.jpg)
I was going to leave this one as is, but then I decided that I should install a second dog,
the grinding of the plate wasn't too bad
(http://i.imgur.com/15dCYid.jpg)
I used Lee's 113H dogs
(http://i.imgur.com/B7z6OGy.jpg)
the left side bearing came right out, but the right side was tight, still, no match for Reel Speed Mini Puller though...love that tool.
(http://i.imgur.com/9uRksBc.jpg)
on a previous 970 post, there were discussions on the layout of the left side bearing, here is a shot of how they should go
(http://i.imgur.com/NjNwZZX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4oZcaUM.jpg)
here is another great feature, an adjustable magnet, we should try to make these for other reels
(http://i.imgur.com/zu4iPqF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7vjNWWv.jpg)
I do not use a carbon fiber washer for under the main gear, I like to use this plastic washer from Penn...just my preference
(http://i.imgur.com/vOGWxAc.jpg)
Drag stack had (3) washers, I bumped it up to (5), by using Bryan's metal washers. The carbon fiber washers were made out of a laminated sheet, with the thickness of .65mm. I will only use laminated carbon fiber washers in my personal reels from now on. The fit is perfect, I added a thicker washer at the top
(http://i.imgur.com/DU68c8G.jpg)
don't be a hero and use the O-ring when assembling, it will make your job much easier, especially if you have two dogs
(http://i.imgur.com/jFQpUf4.jpg) (http://imgur.com/jFQpUf4)
no need to worry about exposed springs or dogs on this one, the bridge is nice and wide
(http://i.imgur.com/88gwjio.jpg)
If you have this reel, I'm going to recommend that you grease the side nicely, the plates were hard to remove
(http://i.imgur.com/X69TJon.jpg)
a little jewelry hammer does a good job reinstalling the retaining washer on the bearing, usually you could do without, on this one it's needed
and here is the finished reel
(http://i.imgur.com/6lASz9T.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TuICp5X.jpg)
some mentioned 12 to 15lbs max for this reel, from what I've seen, I believe that's a little low :-\.
This reel is a little tank.
Enjoy it! Any questions...just ask!
Sal

Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: handi2 on March 30, 2014, 12:01:08 AM
Great post Sal..!! I have had all the Mag series reels and used to use them all the time. Sadly I sold them all a few years ago..
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Bryan Young on March 30, 2014, 12:01:57 AM
Too cool Sal. Is it possible that the lowest eared washer is hanging up in the gear?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on March 30, 2014, 12:14:44 AM
Looks like I was NOT the only one to "score" a Mag Power recently...

Bought this one off of Craigslist for $65 today:

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/IMG_1139_zps9aaad35f.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/Amadeus_Surf/media/IMG_1139_zps9aaad35f.jpg.html)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/IMG_1138_zps6220f83e.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/Amadeus_Surf/media/IMG_1138_zps6220f83e.jpg.html)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/IMG_1136_zpsbe3a1880.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/Amadeus_Surf/media/IMG_1136_zpsbe3a1880.jpg.html)

Yours is in much better condition than the one above AND, obviously, the one that I had to REPAIR. Since I'm only planning to go up to 13 lbs drag on it, I'm probably hold off on the stainless 113H parts, the 5-stack, and the double dogs. May be someday in the distant future...

P.S. The 24-349H goes really well with the 970.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Aiala on March 30, 2014, 12:38:21 AM
You guys are so lucky...!

I've just about given up on ever finding a left-side plate for my 980. I know Irish is still looking for me, but I don't hold out much hope... (http://forums.snapstream.com/vb/images/smilies/frown.gif)

~A~
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: floating doc on March 30, 2014, 01:01:19 AM
Nice work.

I bought a 990 and 980 when they were newly introduced. I fished them hard for many years, and sold the original 980 when the side plate cracked ($20-didn't know any better). I have since replaced the 980 out of nostalgia, and bought a 970 to fish with a couple of years ago, so now I have the complete set. I love these reels, they're tough reels.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on March 30, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Thanks Guys and Gals, Aiala, I will keep an eye out for you.

Bryan, no the eared washer is not hanging up in the gear. I heard you guys talk about that earlier, but I haven't experienced anything like that yet :-\.

I'm not sure if it's the larger dogs or from the way the rings are designed, but this reel sounds like a machine gun when you turn the handle ;D, I know that some of you don't like that clicking sound when fishing ::), I happen to like it.  ;D I wouldn't mind if all of my reels would sound the same as this one.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: intili on March 30, 2014, 02:48:28 PM
Excellent post! and an excellent reel, I had acquired a 980 years ago, and subsequently turned it into a 970, and then bought a 970 so I have both in 970 size now. Both have stainless gear sleeves from Alan, and new stainless hex screws everywhere except the captive side plate screws and bridge screws.
They are awesome reels, best surfcasting conventional for me yet. The magnet is more effective than the newer multi magnet reels like the 525Mag and squalls. The 980 is just a tad wide for comfortable casting. This post is awesome! I was just talking to Brian about buying the drag washers to increase my stacks, great to see it works! I use the carbon fiber under the gear already. I also use larger handles from Penn, same as 113H and they used to be cheap!
Thanks!
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Bryan Young on March 30, 2014, 04:14:51 PM
Sheesh, I want one now...
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Aiala on March 30, 2014, 04:30:01 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 30, 2014, 04:14:51 PM
Sheesh, I want one now...

Well, here's something... really nice, but pretty expensive, (assuming you can get him to ship it to CA...)  :P

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121302407178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Only about an hour left on the auction, though.

~A~
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on March 30, 2014, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: Aiala on March 30, 2014, 04:30:01 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 30, 2014, 04:14:51 PM
Sheesh, I want one now...

Well, here's something... really nice, but pretty expensive, (assuming you can get him to ship it to CA...)  :P

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121302407178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Only about an hour left on the auction, though.

~A~


At that price, you should continue trying for this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-Mag-Power-980-fishing-reel-in-excellent-condition-/181363346441?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3a190c09
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Bryan Young on March 30, 2014, 05:00:07 PM
I think I like the 970 better. It's narrower.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Irish Jigger on March 30, 2014, 06:39:48 PM
Quote from: Aiala on March 30, 2014, 04:30:01 PM
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 30, 2014, 04:14:51 PM
Sheesh, I want one now...

Well, here's something... really nice, but pretty expensive, (assuming you can get him to ship it to CA...)  :P

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121302407178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Only about an hour left on the auction, though.

~A~


Nice boxed reel, sold for $125.
Quite a lot about in the UK.
Popular with the surf fishers.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Aiala on March 30, 2014, 07:04:29 PM
Quote from: Irish Jigger on March 30, 2014, 06:39:48 PM
Nice boxed reel, sold for $125.
Quite a lot about in the UK.
Popular with the surf fishers.

Huh? This one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/121302407178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

According to eBay, it didn't sell; zero bids. I wonder if the seller will re-list it...  ???

~A~
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 30, 2014, 07:14:00 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 30, 2014, 01:08:35 PM
Thanks Guys and Gals, Aiala, I will keep an eye out for you.

Bryan, no the eared washer is not hanging up in the gear. I heard you guys talk about that earlier, but I haven't experienced anything like that yet :-\.

I'm not sure if it's the larger dogs or from the way the rings are designed, but this reel sounds like a machine gun when you turn the handle ;D, I know that some of you don't like that clicking sound when fishing ::), I happen to like it.  ;D I wouldn't mind if all of my reels would sound the same as this one.
That stainless sleeve double dogged 14/0 I bought off you sounds like a Gatling Gun! ;D
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on March 30, 2014, 07:25:47 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 30, 2014, 07:14:00 PM
That stainless sleeve double dogged 14/0 I bought off you sounds like a Gatling Gun! ;D
;D ;D, your package should be at your front stoop by tomorrow.

Aiala, have you considered this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-980-Mag-Power-Conventional-Fishing-Reel-FRC-5/250866406271?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222006%26algo%3DSIC.FITP%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D21398%26meid%3D5856565134843568599%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D9407%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D121302407178
you could probably make him an offer and it would be good to have extra parts for that reel, I'm thinking they didn't make many :-\
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Aiala on March 30, 2014, 07:29:04 PM
Sal, yes, I've seen it several times, and it looks just a little too beat-up for me. With that much outward abuse, who's to say the internals are still okay, y'know?  :-\

~A~
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 30, 2014, 08:01:50 PM
Thanks Sal! ;D
Did you ever get to work on those two 113H's from Hippie in Lancaster?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Irish Jigger on March 30, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: Aiala on March 30, 2014, 07:04:29 PM
Quote from: Irish Jigger on March 30, 2014, 06:39:48 PM
Nice boxed reel, sold for $125.
Quite a lot about in the UK.
Popular with the surf fishers.

Huh? This one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/121302407178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

According to eBay, it didn't sell; zero bids. I wonder if the seller will re-list it...  ???

~A~

Sorry,it didn't sell.
$125 was the starting bid,quite high for over here.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Aiala on March 30, 2014, 08:37:25 PM
Quote from: Irish Jigger on March 30, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
$125 was the starting bid,quite high for over here.

The pictures are lousy, so it's hard to tell, but according to the description the reel is virtually flawless. I bet he'd get that asking price here in the US... or pretty close to it, anyway.  :)

~A~
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on March 30, 2014, 08:41:41 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 30, 2014, 08:01:50 PM
Thanks Sal! ;D
Did you ever get to work on those two 113H's from Hippie in Lancaster?
Never heard back from him. :-\ As you and most of the members here know, I'll help anyone out, but I'm not going to beg to give my free service. He knows how to get me if he wants to, we could probably have them fixed in 10 minutes. ;D
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on March 30, 2014, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: Aiala on March 30, 2014, 08:37:25 PM
Quote from: Irish Jigger on March 30, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
$125 was the starting bid,quite high for over here.

The pictures are lousy, so it's hard to tell, but according to the description the reel is virtually flawless. I bet he'd get that asking price here in the US... or pretty close to it, anyway.  :)

~A~
The one above cost me just about the same, I thought I got a good deal, the reel is very clean.
Of course it almost double its value from the upgrades ;D
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on March 30, 2014, 10:52:39 PM
Sal, stop i have no more pockets... ;D
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on April 21, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
As mentioned above, I really like these reels, but the rod clamp bolts don't make sense to me and I'm not crazy about them
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/001_zps48a3d103.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/001_zps48a3d103.jpg.html)
so I decided to replace them. I placed the stand on a towel on a hard surface and whacked the two pins with a hammer, they popped right out
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/003_zpsa428f048.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/003_zpsa428f048.jpg.html)

I like to thank Satbchbum and Aiala for opening my eyes on this one, these are great little reels.
and here is the upgraded clamp and bolts
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/008_zpscc7d02ff.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/008_zpscc7d02ff.jpg.html)
much better now.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Keta on April 21, 2014, 02:03:32 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 30, 2014, 08:41:41 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on March 30, 2014, 08:01:50 PM
Thanks Sal! ;D
Did you ever get to work on those two 113H's from Hippie in Lancaster?
Never heard back from him. :-\ As you and most of the members here know, I'll help anyone out, but I'm not going to beg to give my free service. He knows how to get me if he wants to, we could probably have them fixed in 10 minutes. ;D

I'd bet he found the problem and was too embarrassed to tell us what he did.  We all mess up at times and it would have been nice to know what the problem was.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Shark Hunter on April 21, 2014, 02:51:33 AM
I might have scared him off unintentionally. In his original post, I just pretty much said we have all been willing to help, but when you pass up Help from Sal. There is a problem.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on April 21, 2014, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: Keta on April 21, 2014, 02:03:32 AM
...it would have been nice to know what the problem was.

X2
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Aiala on April 21, 2014, 03:03:21 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 21, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
As mentioned above, I really like these reels, but the rod clamp bolts don't make sense to me and I'm not crazy about them... I'd like to thank Satbchbum and Aiala for opening my eyes on this one, these are great little reels...and here is the upgraded clamp and bolts... much better now.

So glad you've become a fan, Sal... if you like 'em, that pretty much says how good they are!

Funny, both of my 980s came with the regular old-style clamps... must be a 970 thing.   :)

~A~
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: jaypeegee on April 27, 2014, 10:08:22 AM
Hi

I was looking at these as a possible alternative to a Penn 525 mag for distance casting then saw this post

There are two for sale here in NZ if of interest.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/fishing/salt-water/casting-spinning-reels/auction-720859317.htm

and

http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/fishing/salt-water/casting-spinning-reels/auction-720856414.htm

If you are able to bid from a Non NZ country (I don't know if possible or how easy if so) then have at it.










Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on April 27, 2014, 11:39:36 AM
Thanks Jaypeegee, I'm very much interested, especially for the one with the box, but unfortunately the shipping costs won't make it happen.
If no one else is interested and you were able to get involved, I would let you buy it and have you send it to me. I would send you money at the end of the auction, but the total for the one with the box  would need to be around $160, including shipping to US. The other, I would do $120. 
Put it this way, if you win for less, I'll send you the amount I mentioned above and you keep the change, but I'm sure it won't happen ;D
Thanks for showing those here, take care.
Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: jaypeegee on April 27, 2014, 12:18:33 PM
I did a quick calc o line for shipping cost

20cm x 20cm x 20cm x 1kg comes to 29 dollars nzd shipping. 10 -  25 days.

If you can guess at the dimensions and weight of the box better I can try those to see what it would be.

Also USD 160 is nzd 185 right now . assuming no major increase in shipping cost that means a ceiling of 140-150 nzd for the reel. Which is possibly higher than I see it going for....

It is late here and I am tired so my calcs may be way off.  Lemme know if you can improve the size weight guesstimate
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on April 27, 2014, 01:44:59 PM
your guesstimate appears to be spot on.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: raumati01 on April 27, 2014, 06:08:58 PM
Another forum member has his eyes on one of those reels too, last time one appeared on trade me with its box it went for over nz$180 so it will be interesting to see how these go.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: MFB on April 27, 2014, 07:07:07 PM
I have a customer with two of these reels & he swears by them.

Rgds

Mark
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: jaypeegee on April 27, 2014, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: raumati01 on April 27, 2014, 06:08:58 PM
Another forum member has his eyes on one of those reels too, last time one appeared on trade me with its box it went for over nz$180 so it will be interesting to see how these go.

Well I guess that puts my proxy bid limits to 130 USD ish then.

Oh well. Let the games begin.
By another forum member does that mean you Mr Raumati?

:)
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on April 28, 2014, 01:21:36 AM
jaypeegee, its up for grabs, anyone could get it. I do appreciate your willingness to help, if there is anything I could do for you, just let me know.
Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: jaypeegee on April 28, 2014, 03:33:52 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 28, 2014, 01:21:36 AM
jaypeegee, its up for grabs, anyone could get it. I do appreciate your willingness to help, if there is anything I could do for you, just let me know.
Sal

Understood Sal.
I will give it a heave and if successful go to purchase.
I was interested in Mr Raumati as I am located in Wellington which is not far from Him/Her

If I can help I will.
I am looking to a long distance casting reel and I may call on you later this year with help around purchasing a 525 mag as they are hard to find in NZ and the UK without spending kajillions. It may be the larger US market is a better bet

That is if a SQL 15 or some other solution isn't better etc etc
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: raumati01 on April 28, 2014, 04:49:12 AM
Jaypeegee , I'm not looking at buying them. By the way I'm in paremata , whereabouts are you?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: jaypeegee on April 28, 2014, 05:23:10 AM
Quote from: raumati01 on April 28, 2014, 04:49:12 AM
Jaypeegee , I'm not looking at buying them. By the way I'm in paremata , whereabouts are you?

I am in St Rathmores in Wellington  ;D
I post a wee bit on fish.net but not so much anymore. Under same name.
I haven't fished too much up your way. Had a poke at a comp at Raumati beach a couple years ago and also at Wire rock

Nice to see another K1W1 on the board.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: raumati01 on April 28, 2014, 05:37:36 AM
Quote from: jaypeegee on April 28, 2014, 05:23:10 AM
Quote from: raumati01 on April 28, 2014, 04:49:12 AM
Jaypeegee , I'm not looking at buying them. By the way I'm in paremata , whereabouts are you?

I am in St Rathmores in Wellington  ;D
I post a wee bit on fish.net but not so much anymore. Under same name.
I haven't fished too much up your way. Had a poke at a comp at Raumati beach a couple years ago and also at Wire rock

Nice to see another K1W1 on the board.


I'm raumatibeach on fish.net , I thought I recognised your name from there. Mattman nz is from wanganui and he's keen to score one for surf casting.

Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: jaypeegee on April 28, 2014, 05:44:44 AM
Quote from: raumati01 on April 28, 2014, 05:37:36 AM
Quote from: jaypeegee on April 28, 2014, 05:23:10 AM
Quote from: raumati01 on April 28, 2014, 04:49:12 AM
Jaypeegee , I'm not looking at buying them. By the way I'm in paremata , whereabouts are you?

I am in St Rathmores in Wellington  ;D
I post a wee bit on fish.net but not so much anymore. Under same name.
I haven't fished too much up your way. Had a poke at a comp at Raumati beach a couple years ago and also at Wire rock

Nice to see another K1W1 on the board.


I'm raumatibeach on fish.net , I thought I recognised your name from there. Mattman nz is from wanganui and he's keen to score one for surf casting.



Oh well. I will look at the auction and see how it goes.
I figured that if I could help anyone here out it might buy me some karma. God knows I need it  ;D

How is the fishing up your way?
I got a reasonable sized snapper in the harbour last week ~55 cm ~3Kg. Well pleased.
Went to NP over easter and got massive eels and a couple eagle rays. Not at all what I wanted.
Plus I provided a few litres of blood to the local sandflies...
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: raumati01 on April 28, 2014, 05:52:13 AM
I haven't been out for three weeks, last time was pretty slow at first then a carrot , lost a 15kg or so kingie at the side of the boat which gutted me a bit, then I got my pb trevally as a consolation . Finished up with snaps , 2ky a carrot and a Trev. I was using a trinidad 16na with a synit which was probably overkill but bloody handy when the king showed up.

Talking of rays, I lived near the pauatahanui inlet and it's absolutely full of mud marlin.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: jaypeegee on April 28, 2014, 08:55:04 AM
good work on the PB. The eagles are a bit of fun except when its time to remove the hook
Those reels are starting to climb in price Sal. Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: raumati01 on April 29, 2014, 10:28:08 AM
Did you get one in the end mate?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: jaypeegee on April 29, 2014, 11:10:15 PM
Gidday Raumati

Yep I got it.
Will look at it fondly for a few minutes.
Resist the temptation to keep it for myself
Package it up safely
Then post it off to Sal

I am sure that had I been bidding for myself I would have lost the auction - Murphy's law

:D


Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Mattman NZ on May 05, 2014, 10:46:04 PM
Hi Jaypeegee the right reel is on it's way down to you in it's box plus tools & grease and Sal I don't think you'll be disappointed with this one - it's mint .If the replacement is half as good id be happy. :)
All the best .
Matt...
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on May 06, 2014, 12:24:26 AM
Thank you Matt, I appreciate it. I have no doubt that the reel will finally get here, well, maybe just a little ;D
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Mattman NZ on May 09, 2014, 10:09:57 PM
Your welcome Sal My reel arrived yesterday a bit grubby but after a good clean i think it came up pretty good .Id have to say Sal yours is dam near new in the box and i took the reel clamp off and put it in the plastic bag and put extra bubble wrap around the reel just to make sure she's safe.Thanks Jaypeegee for all your help and assistance making sure Sal's getting the right reel .
Matt...
(http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad223/mattman1965/Pennmagpower970_zps744c9cea.jpg) (http://s938.photobucket.com/user/mattman1965/media/Pennmagpower970_zps744c9cea.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on May 09, 2014, 10:52:18 PM
Thanks for taking the extra care on my package, I appreciate it.
You did a good job cleaning that reel, it looks really nice. Enjoy it!
Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on September 11, 2014, 03:19:08 AM
I was rearranging some reels this evening and realized that I never posted pics of this beauty, so here you go:
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/002_zps0a4a9861.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/002_zps0a4a9861.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/005_zps21aa0930.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/005_zps21aa0930.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/009_zps1835f707.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/009_zps1835f707.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/012_zps0789fbcb.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/012_zps0789fbcb.jpg.html)
Thanks again jaypeegee ( Jeremy ) and Mattman NZ ( Matt ), for making this happen, it wouldn't have happened without you.
This is one of my favorite.

Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Rancanfish on October 05, 2014, 06:21:44 PM
Anybody have a magnet for a 970? This one of mine was purchased off ebay and needless to say was not exactly as stated condition. All there except magnet was missing. And one of the sideplate screws was tightened thru the sideplate screw bed. So it's been parked in a storage box in the garage for years.
I think I could do an epoxy build up to repair the side plate, but not sure about making a magnet.

If one of you reel gurus wants to buy it and take a shot let me know. I would like to get a good chunk of my $120 back, maybe a c-note and free shipping? Or if you're close I'll deliver sometime for a cold one.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on October 05, 2014, 06:48:51 PM
That one is going to be tough, I've been hunting one down for myself for some time now. There might be a way that one of the guys here can make us some, but usually if there isn't much demand, it won't happen :-\ .
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on October 06, 2014, 05:16:30 PM
Quote from: Rancanfish on October 05, 2014, 06:21:44 PM
Anybody have a magnet for a 970? This one of mine was purchased off ebay and needless to say was not exactly as stated condition. All there except magnet was missing. And one of the sideplate screws was tightened thru the sideplate screw bed. So it's been parked in a storage box in the garage for years.
I think I could do an epoxy build up to repair the side plate, but not sure about making a magnet.

If one of you reel gurus wants to buy it and take a shot let me know. I would like to get a good chunk of my $120 back, maybe a c-note and free shipping? Or if you're close I'll deliver sometime for a cold one.

I bought a "spare" 970 for parts off of Craigslist earlier this year. The magnet is NOT one of the parts that I expect to wear out, so there's a chance I might sell just the magnet (I'll inspect the magnet tonight to confirm it's condition).

The going price on eBay is 17.95 plus 2.75 shipping, but what is a fair price to you?

Whoops... my bad; the eBay listing is for a bearing, not the magnet. So, what's it worth to ya?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Rancanfish on October 06, 2014, 06:32:46 PM
The reel behaves like a standard reel as is, but I can't really call it a Mag reel without it, lol.

Interested in selling a mag side sideplate too? Then it would be completely repaired. I just finally pulled the sideplate, it has a 1/2" chunk of the plate edge cracked out. I saw a pictorial here on a repair but I don't have time right now. I'm in the finishing stages of a bedroom remodel down to the framing to enable insulation upgrade. New sheetrock, electrical upgrades, texture, refinish oak flooring, install new prehung door, baseboard and paint. Whew.

Let me know Porthos. You know what you want price wise I bet.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on October 07, 2014, 12:25:24 AM
Assuming that this is the post you are referring to: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9889.0

...I'm glad it may have had helped you. If you go a hobby/hardware store that carries brass or stainless tubing, you can see if tubing with slightly thicker walls will still work. The stuff I used was sufficient, but if I had to do it all over again, I'd go with the thicker wall route.

Quote from: Rancanfish on October 06, 2014, 06:32:46 PM...Interested in selling a mag side sideplate too?...Let me know Porthos. You know what you want price wise I bet.

No can do on the left-side plate, that's the part that drove my quest for a 970 parts-reel. The magnet is a different story. So here it is:

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141006_165539_zps4f7a79a8.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/Amadeus_Surf/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141006_165539_zps4f7a79a8.jpg.html)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141006_165551_zpsdaecf371.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/Amadeus_Surf/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141006_165551_zpsdaecf371.jpg.html)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141006_165607_zps75ec25b7.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/Amadeus_Surf/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20141006_165607_zps75ec25b7.jpg.html)

It was from a used reel so the slot head side has wear as shown. I know what I paid for the whole reel, but what the market value of individual parts would be I hadn't given much thought to. Hence, what are you valuing it to be? PM me if you wish to pursue the part.

Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Rancanfish on October 19, 2014, 04:22:48 PM
Thanks Porthos for the magnet!  I did the side plate epoxy repair and I believe it is actually stronger than original. 

For anyone that cares I used Loctite Aquamarine Epoxy I found in my toolbox. It said 'use when surfaces exposed to intermittent water immersion'. How perfect!

There was an adjacent gap in the side plate by the screw hole I slightly filled which made it better than new, strength wise.

It is a light gray color but I didn't care about matching side plate color on the inside.

Anybody want one of these now, lol?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on January 01, 2015, 02:45:05 AM
I was looking for a new surf reel and then I found this thread... Soo I bought a nice 970 and finally got everything to get it back togther.

It looked great until I stripped it down. The bearing cup in the handle side plate was FROZEN in... so I got mad and dremeled it out  ;D

Got a new one thanks to Scott's

(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_114458_zps1f14097a.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_114458_zps1f14097a.jpg.html)

The dremel slipped  >:( So a new eccentric lever was need!


(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_115635_zps59c3a98f.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_115635_zps59c3a98f.jpg.html)

Then all the upgrades that Sal already recommend and a new main and pinion

(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_114626_zps04d814b7.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_114626_zps04d814b7.jpg.html)

(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_114558_zps18f978e5.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_114558_zps18f978e5.jpg.html)

The drag stack of 5x 0.5mm SS washers (from Bryan) and 5x 0.65mm as Sal recommended fit NICE! Thanks for the tip! Just added the new PFTE Delrin washers under the main gear.

(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_114810_zpsa14e7e3c.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_114810_zpsa14e7e3c.jpg.html)
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_115343_zps82c4d5ad.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_115343_zps82c4d5ad.jpg.html)

Then another Delrin washer on top of the stack between the one piece spacer. The Drag is smooooth.

(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_115408_zpsb0635870.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_115408_zpsb0635870.jpg.html)

Slammed it all back togther and Double Dogged it! Placed the Sumo handle Bryan was selling, nice feature to switch the length of the handle.

(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_160512_zpsaa52a1a9.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jdanchise/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_160512_zpsaa52a1a9.jpg.html)

Ok I have placed new ABEC 5 bearings from Dawn and polished the pinion to make it smooth for the spool shaft, however the free spool is TERRIBLE, almost none existent... any suggestions?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on January 01, 2015, 03:19:11 AM
What a gorgeous reel, these are my favorite. Someone on this site knew this and sent me a nice one for Christmas., I'm a lucky guy ;).

Have you noticed anything? that reel has stainless steel gears, for having a spool smaller than a 146 Squidder, the spool shaft is the same size as the 114h on one side, the bridge is very strong with a 113H sleeve. That reel is a true tank.
I didn't  talk much about them,  I would have lost all, while bidding on them ;D. I'm ok now, I got it covered ;D
Don't worry about free spool, the spring on bearing and the magnet don't make it spin much when you test it by hands.
Don't let that fool you, that reel casts like a dream, you will love it.
Where did you get that clamp and how much was it? It really makes the reel.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: alantani on January 01, 2015, 06:05:07 AM
check to see if the gears are attracted by a magnet or now.  i think these gears are plain stainless steel.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on January 01, 2015, 09:01:12 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 01, 2015, 03:19:11 AM
What a gorgeous reel, these are my favorite. Someone on this site knew this and sent me a nice one for Christmas., I'm a lucky guy ;).

Have you noticed anything? that reel has stainless steel gears, for having a spool smaller than a 146 Squidder, the spool shaft is the same size as the 114h on one side, the bridge is very strong with a 113H sleeve. That reel is a true tank.
I didn't  talk much about them,  I would have lost all, while bidding on them ;D. I'm ok now, I got it covered ;D
Don't worry about free spool, the spring on bearing and the magnet don't make it spin much when you test it by hands.
Don't let that fool you, that reel casts like a dream, you will love it.
Where did you get that clamp and how much was it? It really makes the reel.

I noticed ALL of that, its what sold me on the reel! The size really sold me as I'm a braid guy, so small tough reels are what I look for.The 113h sleeve is a VERY nice feature and the size of the gears, just wish the pinion was bigger and then would be able to swap for 113h gears! I really like how tight the spool is to the side plates as well. This reel is excellent in stock form! Its to bad about the free spool, Ill have to cast it around and try it out.

The rod clamp is pretty nice! I got it awhile back in a lot of reel parts I bought. Finally have a use for it now. Its an accurate clamp for the 113h
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on January 01, 2015, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: alantani on January 01, 2015, 06:05:07 AM
check to see if the gears are attracted by a magnet or now.  i think these gears are plain stainless steel.


I checked that before I put it all back togther. The gears are magnetic, so Its definitely plain SS.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on January 02, 2015, 04:43:09 AM
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on January 01, 2015, 02:45:05 AM... so I got mad and dremeled it out  ;D...

Always better to keep a level head and avoid rushing things. Took me two years to be mentally ready and decide on a fix for my 970. http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9889.0

Glad it all worked out for you in the end.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on January 15, 2015, 12:03:00 AM
Went out and tested the reel. With some 1-4oz. Lures. Does cast decent for lack of free spool, but not what I expected for a mag control reel. I'm not sure if it's me as there still is only about 2 seconds of free spool for this reel with the mag backed all the way off.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on January 15, 2015, 12:17:12 AM
I'm no good casting conventional, but with the 970's I almost emptied the spool on both reels the last time I used them., They were loaded with appr. 300 yrds of mono.
If you're not crazy about that reel, send it over and i'll send you a stock 501 in decent shape, a ss bridge , yoke and jack, no gears or sleeve though...let me know.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on January 15, 2015, 12:31:34 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 15, 2015, 12:17:12 AM
I'm no good casting conventional, but with the 970's I almost emptied the spool on both reels the last time I used them., They were loaded with appr. 300 yrds of mono.
If you're not crazy about that reel, send it over and i'll send you a stock 501 in decent shape, a ss bridge , yoke and jack, no gears or sleeve though...let me know.

I think Ill hold on to the reel  ;D. Ill try it out again, few more adjustments to make. If anything, Ill use it as a vertical jigger. What kind of free spool time do you get on yours?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on January 15, 2015, 12:50:59 AM
Not much, but they cast really nice. I use those on the boat as well... nice reels.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Aiala on January 30, 2015, 10:01:42 PM
Well, something of a budget-buster for sure, but finally... SCORE!! (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/images/smilies/cheerleader.gif)

(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/MP970_zps7534a135.jpg)

SOA, here we come!  :D

~A~
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on January 30, 2015, 10:12:12 PM
Aiala, that's a beauty. Is it new?...love those reels.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Aiala on January 30, 2015, 10:39:26 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 30, 2015, 10:12:12 PM
Aiala, that's a beauty. Is it new?...love those reels.

Sal, yup! It was offered as NIB... and to all appearances, that's exactly what I got.

Question: What line do you use on yours? I'm beginning to think that I may have to move into the braid world (albeit with some apprehension) and was wondering if the 970 would be a good place to start?  :)

~A~
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on January 30, 2015, 10:53:07 PM
Nice!
I had mine loaded with 40lb braid with 20-30 yds of 50lb mono. These cast pretty far, I kept losing my 5oz weight and lure right before it hit the water. I haven't been using braid for long though.
I'm going back to 17 or 20lb straight mono for those.
I'm wondering if others have had that same problem or is it just me :-\.
You did good Aiala. ;)

Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on January 30, 2015, 10:59:05 PM
Mine has 400+ yds of 50lb braid with a 15-20yd topshot of 40lb mono. I just need it to cast 10yds from the boat; have not attempted to distance cast with it.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on January 30, 2015, 11:02:46 PM
Quote from: Porthos on January 30, 2015, 10:59:05 PM
Mine has 400+ yds of 50lb braid with a 15-20yd topshot of 40lbmono. I just need it to cast 10yds from the boat; have not attempted to distance cast with it.
Yes I could see that, I could keep it on for the boat, i have a few of these ;D
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on January 30, 2015, 11:05:13 PM
I scored this set of 970 side plates earlier this month...

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/27-970_zpsf5fefbe4.jpg)

...now I have TWO spare sets.  ;D
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on January 30, 2015, 11:09:40 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 30, 2015, 10:53:07 PM
Nice!
I had mine loaded with 40lb braid with 20-30 yds of 50lb mono. These cast pretty far, I kept losing my 5oz weight and lure right before it hit the water. I haven't been using braid for long though.
I'm going back to 17 or 20lb straight mono for those.
I'm wondering if others have had that same problem or is it just me :-\.
You did good Aiala. ;)

Sal

Are you using it at the braid to mono connection?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on January 30, 2015, 11:16:46 PM
Here is how I do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGZ3PUi9ZAM
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on January 30, 2015, 11:33:35 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 30, 2015, 11:16:46 PM...Here is how I do it...

That's the Yucatan knot. Can vary it by going with Bimini Twist or Triple-Surgeons loop on the braid side and go 6-10 wraps on mono.

The Yucatan or the Alberto/RP/John Collins knot is what has worked for me...which one tied depends on my mood at the moment.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Aiala on January 30, 2015, 11:48:47 PM
I have practiced the John Collins knot a few times... I like its low profile and simplicity. Some of those other braid-to-mono connections seem insanely complicated; I'm not interested in spending 15 minutes on a stupid knot.  ::)

~A~
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on January 31, 2015, 12:42:44 AM
Quote from: Aiala on January 30, 2015, 10:01:42 PM
Well, something of a budget-buster for sure, but finally... SCORE!! (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/images/smilies/cheerleader.gif)

(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/MP970_zps7534a135.jpg)

SOA, here we come!  :D

~A~

A 24-349H handle would be a good match...Alan still has one left as of 01/30/15, 4:30pm (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12811.0, #21)

Here's mine with the handle upgrade if you don't recall any of previous postings:
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF0962_zps12942716.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Aiala on January 31, 2015, 01:17:50 AM
Quote from: Porthos on January 31, 2015, 12:42:44 AM
A 24-349H handle would be a good match...Alan still has one left as of 01/30/15, 4:30pm (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12811.0, #21)
Here's mine with the handle upgrade if you don't recall any of previous postings:
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF0962_zps12942716.jpg)

Nice! Are you bringing it on the SOA?   :)

~A~
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on January 31, 2015, 01:48:40 AM
Both of these are coming:
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/Domestics_zpsb8f2d1b4.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on January 31, 2015, 02:32:47 AM
That's not a bad knot. But you should try out the Albright knot.  Just if your having problems with the connection.

I'm liking this power handle. I like how the length is adjustable
(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah105/jdanchise/Mobile%20Uploads/20141231_160512_zpsaa52a1a9.jpg)[/URL]
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on January 31, 2015, 07:34:13 PM
Well...went to inspect my repaired 970 left side (done 2/22/2014) and found the epoxy was holding and hard as the last time I checked, unaffected by the Yamaha Marine Grease. Unfortunately, as I re-installed the plate, the upper screw left hole did a familiar and dreaded "crunch" as I tighten the screw--it wasn't anywhere near the tightness I had previously.

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1135_zps7c5cd13a.jpg)

The old plate (left) had failed in a new location--the split is very obvlous. Could attempt another repair BUT...having a second failure, I think it's time to let it move on to "left side plate heaven."

Good thing I had the two spare side plates (one of the new ones on the right) that I spent the last two years hunting down.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on February 15, 2015, 04:02:48 PM
You know, these plates are made of reinforced fiberglass, they should actually be stronger than the others :-\
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/001_7.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/001_7.jpg.html)
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/006_2.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/006_2.jpg.html)
Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on April 03, 2015, 04:57:55 PM
Thank you Jason for a solid trade ;).
I have combined some parts from your reel to the one that I'm showing at the beginning of this thread. Thanks to you, this reel looks awesome:
(https://i.imgur.com/UicmyN7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/I7Xi6YO.jpg)
The reason I'm showing this reel is to see if anyone has this type handle and would want to get rid of it, money or trade...your call
(https://i.imgur.com/5w95GjO.jpg)
The power handle is from Sumo Tackle, if you don't have one, maybe could guide me to where they might be available.
Thanks!
Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on April 04, 2015, 06:25:48 AM
I knew that reel would be in good hands! That drag star is very sleek. I am a big fan of that handle, I bought it of Bryan, I will see if he knows where to get more.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on April 04, 2015, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on April 04, 2015, 06:25:48 AM
I knew that reel would be in good hands! That drag star is very sleek. I am a big fan of that handle, I bought it of Bryan, I will see if he knows where to get more.
Jason, it is an amazing design,who ever came up with it is a very smart man. Maybe it was "the boss" Alan ;D
Quote from: Tightlines666 on April 04, 2015, 06:31:16 AM
There is a good lookin one of these in a box on EBAY.  Thought of you Sal.
Yeah John, you didn't actually help me there ::). I had is on my sights, I'll pack my gun now and move on ;D.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Tightlines667 on April 04, 2015, 10:30:29 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 04, 2015, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on April 04, 2015, 06:25:48 AM
There is a good lookin one of these in a box on EBAY.  Thought of you Sal.
Yeah John, you didn't actually help me there ::). I had is on my sights, I'll pack my gun now and move on ;D.

Sorry Sal  :(

Won't let that happen again.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on April 04, 2015, 10:44:54 AM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on April 04, 2015, 10:30:29 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 04, 2015, 09:54:12 AM
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on April 04, 2015, 06:25:48 AM
There is a good lookin one of these in a box on EBAY.  Thought of you Sal.
Yeah John, you didn't actually help me there ::). I had is on my sights, I'll pack my gun now and move on ;D.

Sorry Sal  :(

Won't let that happen again.
;D ;D
I was only joking John, I realize you were only trying to help and I do appreciate it. ;)
I'm all set on those, but it's one of those things that I'll say "just one more", I'm sure you understand ;D.
It's up for grabs for anyone, if they want it as bad as I do, its only fair.
Thanks for looking for me buddy.
Sal

Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: pennraiba on October 09, 2015, 12:45:52 PM
Hi Sal, very nice post my friend, really great!! Two things interested me so mch, the " Reel Speed Mini Puller" and the HT-100 plate. Where can I get these things? I´m a penn servicer in Brazil and would help a lot my job.

Thanks!

Felipe
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on October 09, 2015, 10:40:57 PM
Thank you Filipe, I appreciate your kind words.
The Carbon Fiber sheets, I usually get  from this seller:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carbon-Fiber-Drag-Sheet-Fishing-Reel-Upgrade-/111495328332?var=&hash=item19f5a3b24c
his name is Erik.
Here is the link for the mini puller:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HZV1LP0
I hope this is helpful to you, if you have any other question...just ask!
Welcome aboard!
Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on November 22, 2015, 03:20:19 PM
And yet another upgrade for this beauty:
(https://i.imgur.com/hzt6PIv.jpg)
a SS Sleeve with two additional teeth
(https://i.imgur.com/ym2yntA.jpg)
No more clicking sound with this one, it is more like a buzzing sound...love it!
(https://i.imgur.com/7Q0MTOf.jpg)
Handle slop is almost non existent.
We are probably done with this one, but you never know....

Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on November 22, 2015, 03:57:50 PM
Sal - thanks for this interesting post. You express a preference for laminated cf over plain - any particular reason(s)?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on November 22, 2015, 04:47:48 PM
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on November 22, 2015, 03:57:50 PM
Sal - thanks for this interesting post. You express a preference for laminated cf over plain - any particular reason(s)?
Well, actually assembling carbon fiber with glue to create a washer is considered lamination. I do prefer the two carbon fiber washers with a piece of plastic or fiberglass sandwiched in between.
During my tests, I noticed that the only washers that held up were the ones with the fiberglass washer in between. Those were some crazy numbers though, so it doesn't really relate to this or other reels.
Also, the carbon washers that I've tested were as the Versa Drag System...non rotating, one of the reason they need to be as strong as possible.

Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on November 22, 2015, 05:49:29 PM
Thanks, I can see why that would be so. Is there one particular supplier you use?
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on November 22, 2015, 10:20:16 PM
Quote from: Tiddlerbasher on November 22, 2015, 05:49:29 PM
Thanks, I can see why that would be so. Is there one particular supplier you use?

There are a few suppliers, I only trust two, Dawn at: smoothdrag.com and Erik at:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carbon-Fiber-Drag-Sheet-Fishing-Reel-Upgrade-/111495328332?var=&hash=item19f5a3b24c:m:mXWLmAJ15qaOuABpKv86fvA
I usually get mine from Erik, the reason being that I like to experiment with thickness, those sheets give me lots of choices.
I've been using Erik's washers for appro. 3 years and have no issue to report.
I don't mind cutting my own washers, if you're not set up to do so, I would go with Dawn's pre cut washers

Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on November 23, 2015, 10:48:23 AM
Thanks buddy. I've been cutting my own (leather punches and arbor press) for quite a while :)
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Swami805 on November 01, 2016, 11:16:20 PM
Greetings, Thought I'd move this to this thread. I've put me toe in the Mag Power waters and recently purchased a 970. I had the swollen side plate issues which I resolved with all the helpful advice I received here.Thankfully, although it looks to have never been serviced there was plenty of oil put in the ports and no corrosion. I put it back together with with new ht100 washers I had. The washers are thicker and now the handle is binding. My question is should I get thinner carbontex or thinner metal washers. Also what should I put under the gear, just has the stock red washer now. I'm just looking to get 8 or so smooth lbs of drag for fishing 20-25lb mono. I need to order some drag kits anyway so I'm thinking I'll stock up as I see a 980 in my future.
Very impressive reel, almost like one of the penn guys designed a reel for himself with what was available at the time.
Thanks again for the help. Sheridan
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Rancanfish on November 01, 2016, 11:56:01 PM
You are on the right track, change out either and you'll be fine.

You'll be fine with the stock red washer using it to only 8lbs.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on November 02, 2016, 12:30:24 AM
Even though you're not fishing it hard, I would still get the 5+1 kit from Bryan, the reel will be extremely smooth. Besides, you never know what could be on the end of your line.
As Randy mentioned the stock washer for under the gear will do just fine, but i would replace it with a Delrin.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Swami805 on November 02, 2016, 12:41:50 AM
Thanks Randy, was hoping to keep it simple.
I have a few small reels with big drag numbers so I don't want to go overkill too much. The swami is thinking albacore in our neck of the woods next year after the El Nino, could happen, right?
I check out the 5+1, Have those in a few newells and jigmasters, very smooth for sure, Thanks Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: fishhead69 on June 04, 2017, 03:44:41 PM
I double dog dare ya! Nice double dog set-up.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on June 04, 2017, 08:18:42 PM
Thanks Fishhead!...love these little reels!

Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: handi2 on November 12, 2017, 12:46:44 AM
This is a 980 I picked up recently. I replaced the black bars with chromed ones. Now I can keep the black ones with the writing in a safe place.

Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Rancanfish on November 12, 2017, 02:14:40 AM
I did the same on mine Keith.  I have a N.O.S. set stashed too.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Pelagicide on August 31, 2018, 05:34:44 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 21, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
As mentioned above, I really like these reels, but the rod clamp bolts don't make sense to me and I'm not crazy about them


Where did you get the replacements from?


Right now I'm puzzling over how to replace the bearings without doing a complete teardown of the reel. I'm assuming I'll have to take the right sideplate off, but am wondering if I have to take the left one off. This is a little more involved than my Jigmaster, where all I have to do is push a button and the entire left side and the spool come out. Are there any other internal upgrades I can do without grinding the sideplate to fit a second dog in, maybe something like new gears to make the retrieval rate faster. I still haven't found a new handle and power knob - I like round knobs, my Star 7000 has a perfect knob of eurathane, maybe I can buy one and use that ....
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on August 31, 2018, 11:40:49 AM
Quote from: Pelagicide on August 31, 2018, 05:34:44 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on April 21, 2014, 01:03:26 AM
As mentioned above, I really like these reels, but the rod clamp bolts don't make sense to me and I'm not crazy about them


Where did you get the replacements from?


Right now I'm puzzling over how to replace the bearings without doing a complete teardown of the reel. I'm assuming I'll have to take the right sideplate off, but am wondering if I have to take the left one off. This is a little more involved than my Jigmaster, where all I have to do is push a button and the entire left side and the spool come out. Are there any other internal upgrades I can do without grinding the sideplate to fit a second dog in, maybe something like new gears to make the retrieval rate faster. I still haven't found a new handle and power knob - I like round knobs, my Star 7000 has a perfect knob of eurathane, maybe I can buy one and use that ....

I had to go back and look, this post is almost 5 years old. Still worth keeping though, it is a nice post :)

On the bearings, there is no need for you to teardown the reel, you could replace those by removing the bearing cups.
It might be a little easier on you if you remove the handle and star to get to the right side cup.

The posts for the rod clamp come from here:
https://www.mysticparts.com/Search.aspx?k=33N-113SP

Upgrading to a second dog, I don't think there is a way to do so without grinding the plate.

There are no faster gears available for this reel that I know of, but keep in mind it already has 4.25:1 gear ratio...I don't call that slow.

Good luck!

Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Riy2018 on July 30, 2019, 10:49:20 PM
I had old Penn 970 used condition.
I ordered MAG Kit from England for Daiwa Reel.
after I removed old Penn magnet, new MAG kit was installed but was little bit loose, so round plastic tube was cut and placed between Mag Kit and original side plate housing. So will be testing on weekend to see how mag conversion kit is working.

But another problem I have with same side plate bearing- it is loose and need to be replaced. However I was unable to remove bearing shield/cap.
Could you please advice where I can order mini pulling tool?

Thank you
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Bryan Young on July 31, 2019, 12:57:27 AM
I use a small screw driver between the shield and bearing and twist and move and twist and move until it pops out.  To press in the shield, I use the back of a socket that is flat and use a rubber mallet and give it one good strike and it seats well and flat.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Riy2018 on July 31, 2019, 04:28:02 PM
Thank you. I will try. I just was afraid not to brake it.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on August 01, 2019, 01:20:55 AM
Riy, if you're not comfortable using a screwdriver, try these picks.
(https://i.imgur.com/FDzJZBz.jpg)

They're a couple of dollars at Harbor Freight. Should pop that retainer right out with zero damage.

I also use them to pop the shield off bearings that are stubborn
(https://i.imgur.com/OrQrzUH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WifFrD5.jpg)

Nice tool to have.

Best,

Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: oc1 on August 01, 2019, 05:53:32 AM
Somewhere here Alan or somebody showed a tiny screwdriver with the tip bent 90 degrees.  File the bent tip until it will fit down the inside hole and the bent part will catch the lower lip of the race.  You can really use any small metal rod as long as it will bend 90 degrees without snapping off.

Then, there's the micro torch method.  Gee, If you do a search for "bearing puller" from the AT home page you will find over a hundred posts about pulling bearings.  The toilet paper trick is one of my favorites.
-steve
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Alto Mare on August 01, 2019, 12:10:19 PM
You're right about using anything with a 90 degree bent Steve, but I believe Riy is talking about the retainer on top.
Besides, pullers might not work in these particular bearings, there are other components to deal with, as springs and spacers.

Sal
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: oc1 on August 01, 2019, 06:30:13 PM
Sorry, I didn't understand.... again.
-steve
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Riy2018 on August 01, 2019, 07:17:11 PM
Thank you very much! Im going to Home Depot for hook tools. look like dentist tools.

By the was what is the best place to buy bearings? Im not happy with Ebay now, they charge tax and returns/exchanges another also extra money.

Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: GooseCreekRods on September 10, 2019, 09:22:48 PM
I realize this is an old post, but it came up when I did a search for the Penn Mag Power 970 and 980. I recently purchased one each of these in near mint condition but didn't know a thing about them. By all appearances, it looks like they are highly thought of and are pretty good reels.
Title: Re: Penn Mag Power 970
Post by: Porthos on September 12, 2019, 02:41:24 AM
Quote from: GooseCreekRods on September 10, 2019, 09:22:48 PM
I realize this is an old post, but it came up when I did a search for the Penn Mag Power 970 and 980. I recently purchased one each of these in near mint condition but didn't know a thing about them. By all appearances, it looks like they are highly thought of and are pretty good reels.

JUST DO NOT OVER TIGHTEN THE SIDE PLATE SCREWS!!!

(Yes, I yelled intentionally.)