The Penn Long Beach goes right back to day one of Penn products. It started as the Model K in 1932 and stayed in production right up to modern times. There are so many factory stock variables, that most people would not think of customizing one but I bet I am in the right place to see custom Long Beach models.
Penn made the Long Beach in 8 basic models running from 100 to 600 yard stated line capacities depending on what time in Penn history we are talking about. So I am hoping to see some interesting variations here. I will start the thread with a factory experimental Long Beach that was actually never put into production and was also never given any Model Number. The line capacity of this reel was 60 yards and I believe it is a one off experimental model that was rejected as a possibility for production and then stored away in the Penn vault until it was discovered around 2003.
Here is the only 60 yard Long Beach that exists:
( Now about a year and a half has passed since I placed this information about the 60 yard Long Beach here. I now own this reel and also now know it is not a Long Beach. This reel is one of three narrowed by Penn, Model 160's ).
Wow! That reel looks to be in mint condition, and is a factory one of a kind. That is the defination of rare. Historically significant as well.
Very nice!
More pics please...
I like that reel, too bad they didn't make more. My 60's are all well used rats.
Wow Michael, all I gotta say is I want one.
All my long beach reels are stock production models, so nothing worth showing on here, but I'm sure other members have a long beach or 2 to show.
Thanks for sharing Michael
It's an interesting and valuable curiosity, all right, but... 60 yards?? Seems to me, one halfway decent fish and you'd be spooled in about four seconds. Not surprising that Penn deep-sixed it. :P
~A~
Looks like Penn was ahead of their time with the narrow reels. In spectra terms today, that reel could hold 200+ yards of 50# braid.
The old line capacities of the Long Beach models were based on Linen Lines that are a bit different in today's capacities. The Model 60--250 yard and Model 65--300 yard reels were more than likely based on 9 thread linen line, which would be the thickness of about 30 pound test mono in today's world.
The reel I pictured in the first post is not mine. I really wish it was but we all know how that goes. It is in the hands of Penn Historian who was kind enough to share its existence with me. The picture I posted of it is the only picture I have. It never left the factory until 2003, so it is mint or as so perfectly described by Ms. Aiala:
QuoteIt's an interesting and valuable curiosity, all right, but... 60 yards??
If Braid line exited in the 1930's when this reel was thought of, it may have gone into production.
So, I hope there are some other customs that show up on this post. Hint, if you take a Long Beach, Model 68 and exchange its parts with a Penn Senator 113 using a wide 4/O stand, you can build a couple of Frankenreels:
Here are the earliest Long Beaches. All original and all special (to me anyway)
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L/R 1932 Model K , 1933 :- 250 yds Long Beach , 300yds LB and a 250yds LB Trade reel with Kingfisher name/logo made for E.K.Tryon
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Overhead photo shows the wider 300yds model. All have drilled spools for tying fishing line to.
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Model K on the right shows the smooth domed click button . The other 3 are waffle clickers.
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'33 LB with Kingfisher logo.
QuoteHere are the earliest Long Beaches. All original and all special (to me anyway)
That group of four Long Beach reels are the bottom line of a Penn collection. Three first year 3 pillar models and Model K. It does not get any better than that. :o :o :o
Fantastic Collectibles!
I have seen a lot of big AJs and cobias caught with the 60s and 65s on our party boat but a lot of us don't fish them because they just aren't sexy enough. Over the past year I bought a lot of mint ones for the boat and I kept a nice one for myself and I picked up this 66 that is like new and was surprised that it took 5 standard thickness CFs and the gears are steel. I added the 24-55 handle to it and it has a little more sex appeal than a 65. I am a little partial to my Newells so when family comes to town they will fish the 65, 66 and a 309. If Newells did not exist I would be happy to fish for grouper and snapper with a 66. The weight is good the spool size is good and this new handle just tops it off nicely.
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I had them NIB and sold them..
QuoteI have seen a lot of big AJs and cobias caught with the 60s and 65s on our party boat but a lot of us don't fish them because they just aren't sexy enough. Over the past year I bought a lot of mint ones for the boat and I kept a nice one for myself and I picked up this 66 that is like new and was surprised that it took 5 standard thickness CFs and the gears are steel. I added the 24-55 handle to it and it has a little more sex appeal than a 65. I am a little partial to my Newells so when family comes to town they will fish the 65, 66 and a 309. If Newells did not exist I would be happy to fish for grouper and snapper with a 66. The weight is good the spool size is good and this new handle just tops it off nicely.
OH well, I have to admit, sexy is not how I judge a fishing reel ;D but I understand. The Long Beach is a workhorse, work horses are not usually sexy. I think that 66 you have worked is pretty cool though. ::)
I bought my first conventional reel in 1976, it was a Penn 60. I preceded to load it up with cheap 40 lb. test mono. Short story , bad idea. As I learned how to cast the ill tempered beast I had to cut my way out many times. I got better at it and swapped out to premium 30 lb. line and all was well. Sadly I got rid of it long ago, but recently acquired one in excellent condition. I don't know if ill ever spool it up and use it but I'm happy to have it. Maybe I'll spool it up with cheap 40 lb. mono and relive my youth.
Cool
Early 2-speed Long Beach, So. Cal. style.
QuoteI bought my first conventional reel in 1976, it was a Penn 60. I preceded to load it up with cheap 40 lb. test mono. Short story , bad idea. As I learned how to cast the ill tempered beast I had to cut my way out many times.
Well there is one thing that is a sure thing for the Long Beach 60 and that is, there is no anti-backlash control. So, what is necessary to do, is to educate your thumb. The process involves many backlashes and for me, they never stop happening, no matter how educated my thumb gets, I can still backlash a Long Beach. As time goes by what happens is you get really good in untangling them. ;D
QuoteEarly 2-speed Long Beach, So. Cal. style.
Not really a Long Beach but a great Penn reel. The Model 259 Live Bait Caster was the parent of Jigmaster. Many parts interchange between the Live Bait Caster and the Jigmaster 500. The custom 2 speed gear box is classic California Custom before Penn sold High Speed reels. A Reel Deal gear box was hooked up to Squidders and Surfmasters,usually, They sold in the 1950's and 60's and were not cheap. You could actually buy a Surf Master of a Live Bait Caster model reel for less money than the gear box.
Shifting the gear box was just a matter of a push / pull button above the handle nut. Disengaged, the gear box allowed the reel to operate at its normal retrieve ratio but when you engaged the gear box you increased the retrieve ratio to 9 to 1. These were a very hot item for a number of years used for throwing Tins to Tuna in South California. Not that I have ever done that, but I read a lot.............. ::)
Thanks for posting the Reel Deal box.
66 with a 5 stack, steel gears and stainless spool. ;D
So, I'm being haunted by that narrow 60. I think I have figured it out. Has anyone taken apart the sleeved stainless spools? If so then I think I can shorten the center sleeve to 501 width and assemble the reel with a Newell 501 kit. I'm hoping someone can help me with the spool because I HAVE to have one of these. Basically a fast Surfmaster.
Ron
QuoteSo, I'm being haunted by that narrow 60. I think I have figured it out. Has anyone taken apart the sleeved stainless spools? If so then I think I can shorten the center sleeve to 501 width and assemble the reel with a Newell 501 kit. I'm hoping someone can help me with the spool because I HAVE to have one of these.
I suspect an experiment may be necessary here. Custom spools widths have been created by using a shaft from another spool. Now, I have not done this, but I have heard of it being done with the Penn 49. When the original 49 was made wider, it was not done by Penn, it was done by a fisherman that wanted the reel wide. He separated a 49 spool and remover the shaft. He used the shaft from a Jigmaster 500 spool in the 49 spool and added a spacer to the spool spindle.
Possibly a shaft from a Penn 501 spool could be used in a shortened Penn Long Beach 60 spool, as you said, separate a Stainless steel spool and use the 501 shaft to assemble it back to the width you want, add the 501 posts and stand with the Long Beach 60 plates.
It is worth a shot I think :-\
Quote66 with a 5 stack, steel gears and stainless spool. Grin
Since I deal with the history of the Penn brand, mostly. I do not get into mechanical upgrades too often, but I find it interesting that the Long Beach Penn 66 you decided to upgrade is such an old model. Looking at the old Picture Tail Plate tells me it is a 1940's Penn 66. What made you decide to use such an old reel for your improvements?
Did that box say $24.95? Wow, that would be like $300 or more in today's prices. So very interesting.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on December 18, 2014, 05:26:30 PM
Quote66 with a 5 stack, steel gears and stainless spool. Grin
Since I deal with the history of the Penn brand, mostly. I do not get into mechanical upgrades too often, but I find it interesting that the Long Beach Penn 66 you decided to upgrade is such an old model. Looking at the old Picture Tail Plate tells me it is a 1940's Penn 66. What made you decide to use such an old reel for your improvements?
The reel I was upgrading had a stainless spool, but was missing the eccentric and dog spring and had a brass main gear. I bought the older reel for the steel main, picture plate and the parts I needed. The spool on it was badly corroded. Plus, I think the older reels with the steel gears are just better quality.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12272.30
I believe you are right about the quality of the older models. I feel they were built a bit heavier. The stainless spool is from the 1980's, so your reel's vintage transcends many years. The side plate molding style of the model you worked is late 1940's going back to the 1930's.
I like the old pictures plates, one of my future projects is going to log and photo all the different picture tail plates. There were quite a few.
The Long Beach is a model with a massive appeal as far as variety goes. If you would have walked into a tackle shop in 1939 and asked to see a Penn Long Beach model, these are how many different reels he might have in stock under that model name.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on December 18, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
I believe you are right about the quality of the older models. I feel they were built a bit heavier. The stainless spool is from the 1980's, so your reel's vintage transcends many years. The side plate molding style of the model you worked is late 1940's going back to the 1930's.
I like the old pictures plates, one of my future projects is going to log and photo all the different picture tail plates. There were quite a few.
The Long Beach is a model with a massive appeal as far as variety goes. If you would have walked into a tackle shop in 1939 and asked to see a Penn Long Beach model, these are how many different reels he might have in stock under that model name.(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4477/37262399250_abbe00deab_z.jpg)
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Good stuff!
QuoteDid that box say $24.95? Wow, that would be like $300 or more in today's prices. So very interesting.
Yes, In the 1950's a Reel Deal Transmission was about 25 bucks. The was big money back then. My first regular job was in 1964, the minimum wage was $1.25 an hour, which made me $50.00 a week. A reel Deal transmission would have cost me half a week's pay. In today's money that would make that little gear box big bucks. Even though they were expensive, they must have sold many of them because they are fairly easy to find in the collectors market.
Here's mine, a very mixed up Squidder with a 1960's side plates, 1980's stainless steel spool, Newell cross bars and a Reel Deal transmission.
It is the fastest reel I own but a bit off balance........................................ :)
Michael,
I think we all would enjoy the various picture plates that penn made over the years.
QuoteI think we all would enjoy the various picture plates that penn made over the years.
OK, I would like to start another thread because there are many different picture plates.
Hey Michael, whats the deal with the yellowish/orange plated Long Beach in your last photo? ...is that sun damage or was it that color from the factory?
Also, do tail plates tell the age of a reel (to a degree?) I know the handles do (to a degree.)
Thanks
Dom
Very cool stuff Michael. I bought both of your books at the ORCA convention in San Diego. Hats off to you and Penn reels. I collect old Penn reels and I can really appreciate your work. I was born and raised in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania so I have a deep seated love for Penn reels for sure. Keep up the good work.
QuoteHey Michael, whats the deal with the yellowish/orange plated Long Beach in your last photo? ...is that sun damage or was it that color from the factory?
Also, do tail plates tell the age of a reel (to a degree?) I know the handles do (to a degree.)
Hello Dom,
Funny you should ask about the tan reel. That is a Long Beach by a different name. It is a 300 yard Model 126 Sea Gate, which is basically a Long Beach made to satisfy the reel rental customers. It started in California, the people that ran Tackle Rental stores at the fishing piers wanted reels from Penn in different colors, so Penn, had color chips that they would make available to customers that wanted to buy reels in quantity. Usually all those special order reels got used and abused and are long gone but every now and then a survivor comes along. That is what this one is. When I got it, it was a disaster. The tail plate is broken in half. I was able to epoxy the tail plate back together and save the reel. It is now in my collection and forever retired, like I wish I was.................... :)
The people renting Fishing tackle had a end of day collection and having the reels in odd colors made it easier to spot their rental reels.
Tail plates can be a tell for age but not too accurate a tell. I started another thread about Penn Picture Plates. I have put about ten different plates there and talk about their age.
QuoteVery cool stuff Michael. I bought both of your books at the ORCA convention in San Diego. Hats off to you and Penn reels. I collect old Penn reels and I can really appreciate your work. I was born and raised in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania so I have a deep seated love for Penn reels for sure. Keep up the good work.
Thank you very much!
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1939 Long Beach DeLuxe with all the good bits . Anti back lash accessory is not Penn factory . Original tail plate bearing cap is in the foreground .
Mike, You mentioned the Rented reels and the coloured side plates .
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Mid 30's 300 yards Sea Ford with green head plate and plain red tail plate
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The back of the handle and free spool lever are stamped with "100" ... a further ID ? ....It would stop any arguments of ownership.
A 300 yard Bayhead with green head plate and red tail plate with graphics , Late 30's.
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Quote from: Bryan Young on December 18, 2014, 05:30:25 PM
Did that box say $24.95? Wow, that would be like $300 or more in today's prices. So very interesting.
I saw a 66 listed this week with a box and the price on the box was $13. I have 60 in a box with a price of $9.
Quote from: Newell Nut on December 19, 2014, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on December 18, 2014, 05:30:25 PM
Did that box say $24.95? Wow, that would be like $300 or more in today's prices. So very interesting.
I saw a 66 listed this week with a box and the price on the box was $13. I have 60 in a box with a price of $9.
Newell Nut , The prices for the #60 & #66 match what is listed in the #17 catalog , 1952-3 .
Very cool stuff Mike, thank you for sharing it with us. Sal
Superhook, I believe you hit the jackpot with that reel, I'm wondering how much it would get you at an auction.
But who needs money, since I'm Italian, send it over and I'll get the frame post and spool in white. ;D
That is such a cool reel. Always something different, no matter how long you've been playing with these Penn reels.
Thanks Sal,
There are actually two reels in green and red. Perfect Christmas decoration colours. Mike has Penn letters with information relating to these coloured rental reels. I have been looking for a bunch of coloured Penn salesman's bakelte discs . I put them away too well . When/if I find them i will photograph and show here.
The green and red reels that Superhook posted are super rare examples of Reel Rental survivor reels. Interesting thing about them is how they get found. When they get old and dirty and are thrown in a bucket with 25 other old and dirty Penn reels they get passed over. After searching through and following thousands of Penn vintage models, I can count on one hand how many of these survivors are left. By the way Superhook, you can stop looking for the color chips, I will post them for you.
This is what Penn would use to show the different availability of colors for special order:
Quote from: Superhook on December 19, 2014, 09:22:07 AM
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1939 Long Beach DeLuxe with all the good bits . Anti back lash accessory is not Penn factory . Original tail plate bearing cap is in the foreground .
Hi Superhook,
I have just bought cheaply a 67 with the same anti back lash accessory fitted, didn't know what it was until I saw your post, thank you for enlightening me!
All the chrome has seen better days, I bought it for the nice engraved tail plate.
Will post some photos in the next couple of days.
Mike.
How exactly does this 'anti-backlash device' work exactly? Is it an adjustable magnet, strong enough to control the chromed bronze spool? Can we learn something about 'magging' small penn reels by visiting the past here?
QuoteHow exactly does this 'anti-backlash device' work exactly? Is it an adjustable magnet, strong enough to control the chromed bronze spool? Can we learn something about 'magging' small penn reels by visiting the past here?
It is not a magnetic type device, it is a Fluid Hub. I have a copy of the instructions that come with one of these devices. I will try to post it, this will be a bit difficult to read because it have been folded into a small size to fit into that little box the device comes in.
These were sold in the 1950's and were available for Penn and Ocean City reels.
And since this post is all about the Long Beach, I think it is appropriate to post a picture of the first Penn Long Beach. The 1933 Model 60.
For a Penn collector, this is one of the items you want to try to find. Finding one like this will cost hundreds and could even touch four figures, depending on who is bidding.
Mike,
1. Glad you found a photo of the Salesman's bakelite samples .
2. That complete '33 Long Beach unit is a Rare find . The reel would be the easiest piece of all the items on display . I've tried several times but i can't get my hands through the screen.
3. You're correct about how bad those red/green plated reels look before a good clean .I'll post some as spotted photos of the red/green combos and another Green/black Sea Ford.
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Above :This was the Sea Ford - you can see that the head plates proper colour is where the free spool lever position kept the original colour and some scattered green colour coming through in parts of the head plate and handle knob.
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Above : This was the photo of the Bayhead with green head plate and red tail plate.
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Above : This was the photo used of a Sea Ford with a green head plate and a black tail plate.
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A couple of "AFTER" photos of the green/black Sea Ford. This reel had the "100" stamped into the back of the handle and free spool lever also. ( Same as the green/red Sea Ford)
That's all i have on the rented Pier reels. Should help you guys to spot an off colour plate and think twice at dismissing it as a painted piece of junk.
Ray
Back to Long Beaches :
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The box states : #60LS . The LS stands for Light Spool and the reel has a Light spool . The spool is also White in colour and they were fitted on some different 250 yds. models in approx 1940-2 .The $6.50 price , the twin pack oil/grease tubes and the tool is also of the same era. Note large serrated counterweight on handle along with sharper points to handle knob. Not many Long Beaches had plastic spools.
The Bakelite spool Long Beach is a very tough find. I cannot even guess how many of the white spool versions exist. I have seen that white spool on the Penn 80 and less often on the 85. I assume the same spool from the 85 will work on the Long Beach Model 60.
I have a 1950's red 85 with a white spool. It is a very attractive reel.
But it is not a Long Beach.
I believe yours is the only Long Beach I have ever seen with a white spool. That must have been a special order.
Mike,
I have seen one #285 in the box circa 1940 with a white spool. Only ever seen the white spools in the 250 yards size.
Your #85 with the white handle is colour co-ordinated. If you had one green plate Sal would be all over it with one of those non-refusal offers.
Ray
;D ;D...you got that right Ray.
It has been great having you guys here, I've learned and enjoyed so much. Thanks for not holding back and sharing with all of us. ;)
With all of this amazing info, I'm surprised that Dom (Broadway), is not mentioning his "Big Red" :-\, I would love to hear if you guys have ever seen another 115 with red plates.
Thanks for keeping us on the edge of our seat.
Sal
QuoteIt has been great having you guys here, I've learned and enjoyed so much. Thanks for not holding back and sharing with all of us. Wink
As long as we are fitting into the wants of the Forum, I am happy to share. I like sharing, I always have. I find it difficult to understand collectors that want everything to be a secret. Maybe they figure that if they keep it a secret, only they can get the good deals. That is a sad testament to collecting if that becomes the norm. I like to share the info, it brings more stuff to the surface and broadens the experience for all collectors. It also exposes more of the real, true history and helps to shrink the, ""Hearsay History"".
So, I am glad we are welcome here and thanks for the kind words........................... :)
QuoteWith all of this amazing info, I'm surprised that Dom (Broadway), is not mentioning his "Big Red" Undecided, I would love to hear if you guys have ever seen another 115 with red plates.
I have never seen a 115 with red plates. Red was a common specialty order for Penn. It is hard to say if red was the most common of all the special order colors, but it probably was.
Even though there are many Red Penn reels, there are no Red 115's that I know of, except now that one seems to exist here. A red 115 would wake up the online auction world, I am sure.
Mike and Ray,
Your knowledge and collections amaze me, and have open our eyes to seeing what's out there. I, for one, have passed up on a few oddly colored penn reels and a few reels with those cast control whoseys thinking they were phoneys. Sals right about how nice it is for you guys to share with us instead of hoarding all the collectibles you can suck up. I have never seen or heard of a penn white spool, a salesmanship color sample chain, or many of the other special parts/ accessories you've brought to our attention.
Being that I'm typing this from my iPad ill have to wait till I get off work so I can post a picture of Big Red from my laptop and the broome stick she rides on that Sal so graciously gifted to me. Thanks Sal ;)
When I bid on the red 9/0 I was expecting a painted 9/0 (you know ebay) but instead was pleasantly surprised with the real deal. Ted and I are a bit surprised they let a 9/0 leave the shop when with red plates because only the high speed reels were red. Wouldn't that be a little contradictory?
Thanks for bringing these relics to our attention... You both have beautiful collections that you should be proud of.
Dom
Quote from: broadway on December 20, 2014, 07:04:36 PM
Mike and Ray,
Your knowledge and collections amaze me, and have open our eyes to seeing what's out there. I, for one, have passed up on a few oddly colored penn reels and a few reels with those cast control whoseys thinking they were phoneys. Sals right about how nice it is for you guys to share with us instead of hoarding all the collectibles you can suck up. I have never seen or heard of a penn white spool, a salesmanship color sample chain, or many of the other special parts/ accessories you've brought to our attention.
Being that I'm typing this from my iPad ill have to wait till I get off work so I can post a picture of Big Red from my laptop and the broome stick she rides on that Sal so graciously gifted to me. Thanks Sal ;)
When I bid on the red 9/0 I was expecting a painted 9/0 (you know ebay) but instead was pleasantly surprised with the real deal. Ted and I are a bit surprised they let a 9/0 leave the shop when with red plates because only the high speed reels were red. Wouldn't that be a little contradictory?
Thanks for bringing these relics to our attention... You both have beautiful collections that you should be proud of.
Dom
Dom, your big red needs to be on a separate thread on the senator tutorials page and it should be "show off your senators"...this is a thread about smaller penn reels. Time to get serious and whip out the old senators. I believe Mike and Ray will once again raise the roof with a few examples of non-typical senators....and some of the oldies that most have never laid eyes on.
We are all in the right place for sharing. Just like I showed that vintage penn 62 to you Michael. I hope your colleague got it, because I let it go. I have no business with a reel like that.
We are all friends here and we are glad You and Ray are here.
Dom's Big Red is a one of a kind, just like him.
I love seeing the rare gems that you have to show us. ;)
Daron
QuoteDom, your big red needs to be on a separate thread on the senator tutorials page and it should be "show off your senators"...this is a thread about smaller penn reels. Time to get serious and whip out the old senators. I believe Mike and Ray will once again raise the roof with a few examples of non-typical senators....and some of the oldies that most have never laid eyes on.
Ted, a new thread about Senators sounds good to me.
Dom, a red 9/O would be a perfect place to start since the 115 is the first Penn Senator.
QuoteI love seeing the rare gems that you have to show us. Wink
It is nice to here you compare our antique reels to rare gems, unlike my wife who calls them Old Junk................. ???
As requested, see the new post in this forum "Dom's red 9/0 Senator".
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#259 fitted with "Powerhouse " transmission. It is only a single speed of 7 to 1 ratio. Free spool & drag still work but unlike the "Reel Deal " trannsmission you cannot switch back to the original Penn factory ratio which would make it hard winding in a struggling fish.
Mike,
You guys are so good about posting photos, and I'm so bad. Dominick and a few others here have helped me to get the hang of posting them, but it still takes me a while. I got home from a 12 hr. day and am hitting the hay after a beautiful meal that my fiance had prepared for my tired butt. By Monday afternoon (my day off) I'll have them up... fair is fair. You and Ray have some stellar, one off, super rare, and historical Penn reels that we appreciate you sharing with us. Just a heads up... Ted and Sal have some unreal pieces that you'd probably be able to make a separate volume of your book (did I mention it's awesome) out of. Thanks for the gem compliment, Daron... more like a rough diamond. ;)
Alan, created a team of guys/ gals that are all cut from the same chunk of rock... I'm just happy to be here
Thanks
Dom
Mike was working on Penn history long before i began collecting . Mike let me in on a lot of information on early reels and what to search for and we got serious about the earliest Senators . The reels had to be found and proven correct before Mike could stick his neck out with photos and facts that verified or disproved the catalogs , still an ongoing hobby . Nobody can own every reel that they would like to but it is always fun searching . We will show what we've found and some that may only be a photo . It should help others to find and identify old Penns for those who wish to collect. Mike's book covers everything for those first 25 years and we will post some more photos to make it easier and a bit of fun for all of us.
Thank you to Alan Tani for allowing us to be part of this membership.
What we will try to do is keep separate threads for each Model . ie one for Long Beaches another for Senators etc so it will be easier to find the photos and info of a particular Penn model.
It seems a bit weird to be so outspoken after so many years of collecting and learning about the Penn reels so if i get a bit much just let me know.
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A photo of the people at Penn who made the early reels that we all collect.
Some very unusual and interesting reels here. I especially like that narrow 60 yd Long Beach.
This is the only Long Beach I have. Nothing special, but I also have the original box and papers.
I also had a very old Long Beach without any number designation on it, but it was the size of a 65. Ugliest reel I ever owned, and almost all of the chrome had been eaten away, but it had the longest freespool of any reel I've ever had. I sold it on a whim.
Dom,
I've been working 12 hour days for the past month. Somebody has to do it brother! ;)
I really like that picture of the penn factory. It looks like it was hot in there. I can relate! :P
QuoteA photo of the people at Penn who made the early reels that we all collect
Superhook aka Ray,
Great Photo of the Penn plant. That picture is taken when the plant was relatively new, in the late 1940's. It has changed a bit but the structure is still located 3028 Hunting Park Ave., Philadelphia and is still operating. Penn moved into the plant during WW II and is still in the same building making some of their high end International reels. Many of today's businesses can not say that. I give credit to David Martin, former Penn CEO. He fought to keep a part of Penn manufacturing here in the USA after the liquidation of the company by the Henze family.
QuoteI also had a very old Long Beach without any number designation on it, but it was the size of a 65. Ugliest reel I ever owned, and almost all of the chrome had been eaten away, but it had the longest freespool of any reel I've ever owned. I sold it on a whim.
Funny but many of the old reels get really ugly but still fish great.
My first cool find was a 1933 Long Beach 65. I nicknamed it my, ""Ugly Long Beach"". I will never part with that reel because it was my initiation into reel collecting. Anyone that decides he wants to make a collection of early vintage Penn reels will always strive to get the 1933 models because they are the first models and they are also different than all the other Penn reels that came after them. So, when I found my first 1933 Long Beach, it was filthy, covered in over spray, loaded with old dried up linen line that was so heavy it looked like rope rather than fishing line and a good amount of the chrome was gone. I restored that reel to the best I could get it and still have it. If I decide to sell my collection, this reel will never be part of the sale. They say you can't take it with you, I don't care what they say, this one is going with me..................! Probably because no one else would ever want it.................................. ;D
My 1933 ugly Long Beach before
My 1933 ugly Long Beach after. Still ugly but special to me........................... :)
George,
The #259 has "Long Beach" on the tail plate . A strong reel with double rings .
Shark Hunter,
over 100 people in the photo . Unbelievable for reel manufacturing....compared to today. There are plenty of windows in the 3 level building
Ray
Mike,
Looks are secondary even though it raises the value. The important thing is for all the parts to be original.
I won't part with an ugly Penn/Schultz Jones Beach reel that you picked up and tidied up for me.
Ray
Here is a Long Beach from Ted (Max Doubt):
I'll let Ted fill in the details, or maybe Mike could shed some light on this one.
Ted/Sal
Mikes hit the sack. That's a rare red coloured Long Beach . The tail plate with the graphics and waffle clicker and drilled spool is 1938 . The torpedo handle is 1939.
Rare colour find and the 150 yards size is not common. I would have given you a bit more competition but i got caught up with some urgent work and missed the end. Glad it went to a good home.
Ray
That is a great pic of the penn factory. I notice a lot of women in the pic, which says a lot about the era of the pic (just after WWII).
Ray, I fully expected you to end up with the colored LB. My collection is not worthy of it in comparison to yours or Michaels collection of non-typical penn reels. Please keep sharing your pics and knowledge of penn history. It gives me a reason to get on my computer every day to see what you 2 guys are up to. lol
Quote from: Superhook on December 21, 2014, 09:58:48 AM
Ted/Sal
Mikes hit the sack. That's a rare red coloured Long Beach . The tail plate with the graphics and waffle clicker and drilled spool is 1938 . The torpedo handle is 1939.
Rare colour find and the 150 yards size is not common. I would have given you a bit more competition but i got caught up with some urgent work and missed the end. Glad it went to a good home.
Ray
Your description of the maroon LB is correct Ray...just like you had it sitting in front of you on your workbench
The LB 61 I recently won(thanks for letting me win Ray) has hershery clicker and same type handle and a post on the spool, which I believe represents the last year of production for the 3 smaller yardage LB reels. Now I just gotta get my hands on a LB 63 to complete the set of small yardage LB. It never hurt to dream !! I also just recently stumbled on to a mid 40's LB 60 in mint condition, not that uncommon, but this one is a lefty, which is a very difficult find indeed !!
Quote from: Superhook on December 21, 2014, 07:56:00 AM
George,
The #259 has "Long Beach" on the tail plate . A strong reel with double rings .
Ray
Yup.
After seeing photos of the "Ugly Long Beach" and others, I wished I'd kept my old ugly "65" size Long Beach. :(
QuoteThe LB 61 I recently won(thanks for letting me win Ray) has hershery clicker and same type handle and a post on the spool, which I believe represents the last year of production for the 3 smaller yardage LB reels. Now I just gotta get my hands on a LB 63 to complete the set of small yardage LB. It never hurt to dream !! I also just recently stumbled on to a mid 40's LB 60 in mint condition, not that uncommon, but this one is a lefty, which is a very difficult find indeed !!
Ted,
I saw you win the Long Beach 100 yard model.That was a very good find for you. You have had a good week for collector reels. Between the Red Model 62 and the Model 61, I know you must be feeling lucky. They are both tough reels to find. So, I am watching you, if anyone can find a Model 63, it will be you. The Model 63 was only made in 1938 and 1939 and it did not sell well at all, so that is a very tough reel to come across, especially because it looks like any other Long Beach and would normally go unnoticed when mixed in with a bunch of reels.
Concerning the Red Model 62, you may want to look on the back side of the handle blade and the backside of the free spool lever to see if there are any out of the ordinary stamped numbers. Sometimes Penn would stamp batch numbers on these special order reels (see Superhook's Green Sea Ford, earlier in this thread).
QuoteAfter seeing photos of the "Ugly Long Beach" and others, I wished I'd kept my old ugly "65" size Long Beach. Sad
George,
You should never second guess yourself. There are dozens of reels I am sorry I sold and probably more than that many reels I feel I should have bought. In the moment, you can never really know what the right thing to do is unless the deal is so good you cannot refuse it. My most favorite word, when it comes to deals I miss or let go is, "NEXT!" There is always another deal around the corner. :)
Ted,
The 100 yd Long Beach you have is a hard one to find and is in good condition (Bonus) . I do have one so i was only trying to steal it. Glad it went to a good home. The 200 yards model is another tough find with the small diameter plates of the 100 & 150 yards size . You may need to see the 200 yards stamp on the foot to recognize one. I will stay off it if one appears . Yes , greedy guts has one.
Ray
I would really appreciate it if someone would please tell me what the black diamond on the left side plate of this reel means, and what size this reel is. It's a small diameter (3") old Long Beach with a frame width of 1 5/8". There are no markings on any of the metal parts. I'm assuming that the diamond means that this is a trade reel, since I also have an old Ocean City with the same mark, but I don't remember seeing anything about this particular mark in Mike's book.
Thanks,
Randy
Randy is that painted on or is it molded into the plate as an inlay?
It looks like an inlay Sal, but I can't say for sure.
Randy,
That's a very good 35 Long Beach #60 . Mike told me the white diamond denotes it was made for the 'New York Hardware Trading Company' . The white diamond is on other manufacturers reels made for NYHTC .
Ray
Thanks for the info Ray. I really appreciate it.
Ray is correct. Back in the 1930's that Trade Mark showed up on Penn and Ocean City reels.
Here it is on a Ocean City Trade reel:
And the Box it came in:
QuoteI would really appreciate it if someone would please tell me what the black diamond on the left side plate of this reel means, and what size this reel is. It's a small diameter (3") old Long Beach with a frame width of 1 5/8".
If by frame width, you mean the measurement between the trim rings on the inside of the frame, then you have a Model 62--150 yard Long Beach with the Diamond Trade reel mark. That would make for a pretty rare reel.
That's what I meant by frame width Mike. The cross bars and the base are 1 5/8" wide.
Randy, I'll give you $150 for that long beach right now if you wish to part with it. I have been focusing more pre war long beach and Penn trade reels for my collection. That one needs to be under glass. Its a beauty !!
BTW Randy, your long beach is a 62.
Randy,
My apology on the size of your Long Beach . I'd fixated on the white diamond and the measurements never even registered. Good that Mike and Ted picked up and saved the day.
Ray
Quote from: Max Doubt on December 22, 2014, 02:30:50 AM
Randy, I'll give you $150 for that long beach right now if you wish to part with it. I have been focusing more pre war long beach and Penn trade reels for my collection. That one needs to be under glass. Its a beauty !!
You have a deal, if you are OK with paying $7 for shipping by Priority Mail with tracking. If that works for you, send your email address to me at rfpauly@aol.com and I will send you a Paypal invoice. I will pick up the Paypal fee. Please do not send the payment as a Paypal gift to save me the fee because I really like using their service and I don't want to stiff them.
Thanks,
Randy
Thanks Randy, I will e mail you and we can get the paypal taken care of. $7 is more than fair for shipping. Thanks Randy, I am looking forward to giving that reel a good home.
Thanks to Ray (superhook) also for letting me know you so kindly accepted my offer even though it wasn't for sale. I hadn't looked at the thread since I posted that offer and might not have noticed your follow-up post. Thanks Ray, now I really owe you after you let me win the maroon LB.
Ted
Older penn 67 with picture plate.
Here is another little treasure from Ted( MaxDoubt)...enjoy
Nice reel Ted ;)
Thanks for posting that Sal.
Someday I wanna grow up and figure out how to post pics on my own.
That is a early to mid 1940's LB 60 and supposedly unused. I see nothing to argue with that assessment after seeing the inside parts. Plastic spools were put on many LB 60's from the war era, likely from lack of raw materials for the metal parts.
The really rare thing about this particular long beach is it's a lefty. Yep, it's a southpaw on the left coast. A definite keeper !!!
BTW Daron, the 67 you just showed us looks to be a pre war version (don't ask me how I know, I just do).... Those are few and far between in any condition.
Nothing like a vintage lefty like that... they are few and far between because no one wanted to spend the extra dough. It's cheaper to switch dominant hands from lefty to righty and your reel can be shared amongst family/friends. ;)
...I'm that lefty that fishes with righty's all the time so I can pass my rod off to guests on the boat. It's a real mess to see them trying to crank on my lefty, and almost a guaranteed lost fish, too. >:(
Nice find, Ted.
BTW, If I can post pictures on here... your dog can ;D
Thanks
Dom
I've been told my whole life that I am lucky that I'm a lefty and therefore a conventional reel is set up for me. If you work the rod a lot then you want your dominant hand on the rod. I grew up with the montra "the rod brings the fish in, the reel holds the line" and it still holds true today.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on December 29, 2014, 12:40:00 AM
I've been told my whole life that I am lucky that I'm a lefty and therefore a conventional reel is set up for me. If you work the rod a lot then you want your dominant hand on the rod. I grew up with the montra "the rod brings the fish in, the reel holds the line" and it still holds true today.
Ron
I totally agree with you Ron, I am also a lefty, and it feels natural to use the rod with my strongest arm.
Mike.
Funny thing about Left Handed people. They seem to be different than others. Going way back in history to the Roman Empire, they considered Left Handed people evil. Doubt if that is true but Lefty's certainly knows how to make things look unbalanced.
Early Penn reels were special ordered and had to be made special. More modern reels were molded in such a way that the dog mounting could be on either side of the plate. Penn pre-war head plates had to be cut out to mount the dog so it rode on the lower portion of the anti-reverse gear.
These models are Penn Bay Heads. The reel on the left has a standard molded head plate, the reel on the right has material removed from under the dog to allow the dog to be pushed down under the anti-reverse gear. A special spring is mounted to provide for the dog to be pressed up against the bottom of the gear.
Whoda thunk I would have a Long Beach. Who knows where I got it.
I like those green handles. Just wish the knob was bigger as they are to small for my hands
Some LB 60's I've been finding here in Central Oregon. These were popular reels in the days before down riggers came on the scene. Widely used in our lakes for Makinaw (Lake Trout) and Kokanee trolling were it was necessary to use heavy sinkers to get down to the zone. The steel gears and 2.5 to 1 gear ratio was just right for grinding in heavy sinkers and lake trolls.
Course the cool thing about finding these for cheap at garage sales and flea markets is they have never been used in salt water and after you get the tar removed from the innards most clean up in great condition.They are still to this day great for salmon trolling and shallow water rockfish.
Does someone know the year Penn changed from the flat side plate (this reel ) to the convex, rounded plate found on all LB's since. Found Michael's book under the tree this Christmas but can't find anything regarding the plate change. (Michael, if you weigh in here, thank you for your research and contribution , the book is a must have; you were right Dom :)
From the LB reels I've handled that were in original boxes, I'd say it was right about 1950/51. I have yet to see one with the old style plates with part numbers stamped, which tells me they switched to the newer style sideplates about the same time they started stamping the part numbers on all the parts.....and that is 1950/51 era.
Thanks for the info , Ted. Reel has no part numbers anywhere so that jibes . -Greg
I saw 4 nice cobia caught on these little reels yesterday on the party boat. Back in the summer and fall a lot of big AJs were pulled in with them too. Tough little simple reels with a nice low gear.
QuoteFrom the LB reels I've handled that were in original boxes, I'd say it was right about 1950/51. I have yet to see one with the old style plates with part numbers stamped, which tells me they switched to the newer style sideplates about the same time they started stamping the part numbers on all the parts.....and that is 1950/51 era.
I agree, saying an exact year for the side plate change on the Long Beach, is setting yourself up for a fall. Penn started using part numbers in the early 1950's, the part numbers were gradually eased into place. Early 1950's reels can be a mix of numbered and non-numbered parts. By about 1953 most of the reels had part numbers on all the metal parts.
here is a lb 60 with red side plates
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-3-Vintage-Penn-Fishing-Reel-Long-Beach-60-and-2-Surf-Masters-200-/121540343426?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4c5e7682
Those look like some fixer uppers. ;D
Quotehere is a lb 60 with red side plates
The long Beach head plate looks Mottled. This is a rough bunch.
Yes it does look mottled. Looks like the tail plate was cracked and repaired. They are rough just thought the long beach with the red mottled plates was interesting.
I'm in the process of resurrecting a venerable Long Beach 68 that may even be older than I am :o It has no stamped parts, but it does have the lighthouse side plate (treated with Glayzit as recommended by Fred), an outside-accessible drag, and a main gear that's the same width as that from a Silver Beach (#5-60), but taller, w/five drag washers.
The outside set-up reminds me of the older 114s and 115s; top hat washer, leather washer, etc. It's all very interesting, but also a bit nerve-wracking because I haven't been able to find a schematic which shows a Long Beach with that outside drag... I don't want to order a bunch of parts from Scott's which won't be compatible. ::)
Such are the concerns of a compulsive reelhead...! :D
~A~
Hi Aiala --
This is an old schematic from one of my Penn Service Manuals -- probably what you already pulled up.
On key #s 1 & 2 -- there are a couple of sideplates shown for the 68. One might assume this is the traditional gear setup commonly used where the reel is disassembled to change out the drag stack -- and maybe the exterior change out with the larger opening, and the higher gear capable of more drag washers.
But aside from all of that supposition -- it appears like most, if not all of the parts are the same with the exception of the gears and side-plate.
So what parts do you think you need?
Once we know, I might have some or all of the pieces to complete it.
Let me know.
Best,
Fred
Aiala,
I have a few of these. I took that tall gear out of my 66 and tried to put it in a plate that didn't have the open drag. It fit, but rubbed the plate a little. As long as you keep that same plate with that gear, it will be fine. Takes standard 6-60 HT-100's. This plate and gear can be found on the 66,67 and 68. I haven't seen it on a 60 or 65 yet. This is probably the oldest reel I own. A pre war 67 with the same gear and plate.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 01, 2015, 07:53:43 AM
I said an old Gun Michael, just because I know that old grease smell. I'm talking an old pre war Mosin, that probably had the same grease. ::)
I put all the parts from this old reel in some simple green overnight and got back at it this evening.
I got them Clean enough to sit on the Table without any rags, so That is a first. ;)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4071/35765597315_46b405d93a_b.jpg)
I left some of the original patina, just trying to make this Dinosaur show quality. No Dremel or sandpaper, just some paper towels, simple green and chrome polish.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4215/34924530724_746f4b869d_b.jpg)
Almost finished, Seventy year old reels are a lot of work. ::)
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I intended on keeping the drag stack original, but I guess after they sat out overnight, they crumbled when I picked them back up to put some grease on them. Put in 6-60's. I am very Happy with the results.
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Quote from: Aiala on January 15, 2015, 02:36:09 PM
I'm in the process of resurrecting a venerable Long Beach 68 that may even be older than I am :o It has no stamped parts, but it does have the lighthouse side plate (treated with Glayzit as recommended by Fred), an outside-accessible drag, and a main gear that's the same width as that from a Silver Beach (#5-60), but taller, w/five drag washers.
The outside set-up reminds me of the older 114s and 115s; top hat washer, leather washer, etc. It's all very interesting, but also a bit nerve-wracking because I haven't been able to find a schematic which shows a Long Beach with that outside drag... I don't want to order a bunch of parts from Scott's which won't be compatible. ::)
Such are the concerns of a compulsive reelhead...! :D
Hi Aiala, the tall gear that you have 5-66 (bronze) or 5-113 (steel) is the correct gear for a LB 66,67,68 and a few others. It is made for 6-113 washers(3) & the upgrade setup is 6-60 (5) washers. RUDY
Thanks, guys! I'm feeling a little more secure now. Nothing like a bunch of expert input to set a gal's mind at ease. ;)
Fred, thanks for the parts offer, but I've already sent an order to Scott's, so I should be set for the time being. If not, I know whom to contact! :)
Mr. Shark, that's it! My reel looks just like yours... how cool is that? ;D Does yours have the stamped parts numbers? Mine doesn't. ???
~A~
I don't know Aiala, I didn't pay attention to that. ::)
Hello Aiala,
I see you have a support group for the mechanics of your Long Beach rebuild, (this site is priceless).
I thought I would drop in and fill in some of the history of that reel. The fact that you have no parts numbers on any of the parts means your reel is pre-1950 or so. You said the tail plate was like the one on Daron aka Mr. Shark's :) reel, which would probably put the reel just after the war, maybe, possibly, almost. It could be also be a 1942 model but no earlier than that, 1942 was the introduction year for the Model 68 and in order to place the particular reel as a 1942 model, I would need a box or catalog that was with it.
Anyways, the large Long Beach models have a sort of interesting past because they were sold as Trade reels and also had different tail plates depending on their vintage. From a few feet away they all look alike:
But if you start to look a bit deeper, things change (sort of just like people):
The reel on the left is a Long Beach 66 carrying the name Schultz, which was a well known tackle shop in the New York area that put its name on many Penn reels. And then there is the different tail plates:
The reel on the Right is the Schultz--Penn Model 66 with the plain tail plate and waffle cut style clicker button. This was a common tail plates for the Penn Long Beach Model 66 in its first generation build style.
The reel on the left has that same old style clicker button but it is mounted to the more modern picture plate.
One more item and I will give this back to the engineers:
The bottom of the stands of these early reels were sometimes marked with line capacities and sometimes no. Your Model 68 should either be marked "600 YDS" or be blank.
Good luck with the rebuild. :)
You are teaching us new things every day Mike! ;D
I will have to check the bottom of the stand. I didn't look at that either. ::)
A little birdie told me the pre war versions also have much thicker handles. ;)
Michael, you are so right about this site being priceless! (http://www.urban75.net/ubb/thumbs.gif) Not a day goes by that I don't learn something new... it's wonderful.
My Long Beach 68 stand (the foot is rather chewed and I'm replacing it) has no stamp on it anywhere, but as you can see it does have holes for a clamp. I've no clue whether it's original or not... presumably it could've been replaced at some point:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/LB68Stand_zps4e1837bb.jpg)
One of the other interesting things I noticed is that the handle-side plate's lubrication port is labeled "grease" instead of "oil"... I've never seen that before.
As Mr. Spock used to say: "Fascinating, Captain!" :)
~A~
Aiala,
Since you mentioned the Grease ports, I had to look. Who could remember all this stuff ???
So I took out all my old large Long Beach model and looked. I have one vintage example for each size. My early model 68 says "Grease" and my Model 67 also says "Grease". When looked at the Model 66 with the Schultz logo it does not even have a Grease or Oil port. It is just flat Bakelite.
So now I am confused and I have to open the PENN VAULT! I do not do that every day you know, but sometimes, """a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do""" ::)
So I break out the old NOS 1952 Penn Long Beach--Model 68::
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4458/37263689010_e353187492_b.jpg)
This has an Oil Port but it is not labeled at all. So far, we have one reel without an oil port at all, two with oil ports that are labeled "Grease" and finally the first of the modern age Model 68's with a totally unlabeled Oil Port. So our first challenge is going to be to find at least one Model 68 that has correctly labeled Oil Port for, """OIL""". I mean the port is for oil, right? You would think that at least one the model years has labeled it as such................ >:(
OK, since I have opened the vault and removed one of the old NOS reels, lets see what else is different on this all original, never fished old timer.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4465/37490976962_bbbec52dfa_b.jpg)
Cannot miss the side plate shape change. There is now a bevel around the edge of the side plates that will stay that way for 50 years. I guess the ergonomics may have been improved or maybe it was just a new cosmetic effect. Whatever the reason, the Models 66, 67 & 68 are changed forever.
What's, next, oh yes, the stand. Aiala, your reel has a rod clamp stand and all my early large model Long Beach's have open stands. The stand on this 1952 model is a rod clamp stand:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4458/37474111206_b1ff2d4724_b.jpg)
This tells us nothing, except the fact that your stand may or may not be original. More than likely, your reel is a late 1940's that originally had an open stand. The original owner of your reel may have upgraded your reel with a newer stand when they first came out. Maybe that is why yours does not have a part number on it. Whatever the true history is does not make any difference because some crazy guy cut your stand to fit his little bait casting rod and destroyed it. I assume you have ordered a new stand from the nice lady over at Scott's. There are very nice people there. They even bought a copy of my book and mentioned it on their blog. Go Figure???
So what's next. OH yes, the pretty picture plate that everyone loves on the tail plate of all the Penn Long Beach models. Here is the upgrade of the beautiful picture plate for 1952:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4455/37263761730_7ba9c55745_b.jpg)
Seems like Penn forgot the picture on the tail plate. That is another feature that will never return to the Long Beach.
OK, I am done for now.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4497/36812246534_76f2daae86_b.jpg)
Sure is pretty, oh, by the way. Penn also eliminated the external drag in their new design. I guess they wanted to create some job security for the reel repair guys.
QuoteA little birdie told me the pre war versions also have much thicker handles.
Mr. Shark, that is one smart little birdie that confides in you. I put a caliber on the the first gen Model 66 handle blade and found a full .125 of an inch. You can knock off about .020 by 1940.
My 67 has no numbers on the stand, but has a clamp.
My oil port also says "grease". Its the word! ;D
QuoteMy 67 has no numbers on the stand, but has a clamp.
The handle counter weight and free spool lever style tells me the reel is pre-war. The stand can easily be changed out, that is probably not original to the reel. A Squidder 140 and a Surfmaster 200 use the same stand as a Model 67. Both of those reels had rod clamp no number stands and were available as parts from Penn from 1940.
I just saw that. Very Cool, "Grease is the Word"....................... :)
I figured with the swing away clamp, it was not original. No matter, I am still very proud of this reel. ;)
It is the oldest one I own and will have a place in a glass case when I get around to it. ;D
Keep that Nostalgia coming Mike! 8)
In the #9 catalog ,1941 , Crossplates with clamps were available in 1 & 5/8" , 1 & 13/16" , 2 & 1/8" and 2 7/16" for $2.00 . How do the LB's in question measure up? If a size fits and has no part# it could be original.
ah Hah! ;D
Hey Daron, I have penns that say "lubricant" next to that oil port. Go figure !
Ted
All done! Here's my grand old lady, restored, refreshed, and ready to go fishing once again! :D
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More like Grand Old Beauty! ;D
Good Job Aiala! It looks great! ;)
QuoteAll done! Here's my grand old lady, restored, refreshed, and ready to go fishing once again!
Amazing resurrection. Now, you need to catch something special with this old piece of history and take a photo with the fish and the rig in the photo.
A few years ago, I received a request from a group of people somewhere in Southern California. They were entering a fishing tournament with requirements for all the tackle to be 1940's vintage or older. Somehow they must have been watching my EBay sales and they knew I dealt with old tackle, so they asked me if I had a half dozen Penn Long Beach reels from the 1940's or older. They did not care what models I had as long as they were from the right vintage and that I could make sure the reels were ready to fish with. I supplied them with the reels, someone else got them vintage rods and line. The requirements even stated that the lines be vintage, so only Linen line was allowed in this tournament.
Your reel would have been a perfect fit and being that it is the largest Long Beach Model 68 with the upgrades of the spool and I assume modern drag washers, you would have had a definite advantage.
I think the perfect mate for your 1940's Long Beach Model 68 would be a 1940's Split Cane or Hickory Rod, preferably Hickory.
You have now entered my world. My new tackle is from the 1960's. ;D
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 22, 2015, 12:18:02 AM
More like Grand Old Beauty! ;D Good Job Aiala! It looks great! ;)
Thanks, Mr. Shark! Coming from you, that's an immense compliment. :)
Michael, what a great story! (Did you ever find out what was the winning fish?) That tournament must have been a lot of fun. Maybe we'll have a modest version of it this summer with the "Vintage Challenge" aboard SOA... I'm definitely bringing my Long Beach (but filled with mono instead of Cuttyhunk. ;))
As for entering your world, I'm in no way on a level with you or the other grand
reelmeisters here, but I definitely do share the joy and satisfaction of restoring old neglected reels to fighting trim. It probably has something to do with my age <sigh> but I just love the classic gear... using it takes me back to my long-vanished youth, when the fishing was great and the future seemed limitless.
Sic transit gloria mundi! :-\
Still, further angling adventures beckon... it's never too late... and I can't wait! :D
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QuoteMichael, what a great story! (Did you ever find out what was the winning fish?) That tournament must have been a lot of fun. Maybe we'll have a modest version of it this summer with the "Vintage Challenge" aboard SOA... I'm definitely bringing my Long Beach (but filled with mono instead of Cuttyhunk. Wink)
As for entering your world, I'm in no way on a level with you or the other grand reelmeisters here, but I definitely do share the joy and satisfaction of restoring old neglected reels to fighting trim. It probably has something to do with my age <sigh> but I just love the classic gear... using it takes me back to my long-vanished youth, when the fishing was great and the future seemed limitless. Sic transit gloria mundi! Undecided
Still, further angling adventures beckon... it's never too late... and I can't wait! Cheesy
Nope, I never heard from that group again, but I had no complaints, sometimes that is how I judge whether my deals went well or not. It relates to that old cliche, "No News is Good News" ::)
Of course you are on the same level with everyone here. We can always spin a personal description of our place to make ourselves feel lower or higher than our true level but in actually we are all equal. I feel like the new person here, so that makes me somewhat insecure but I keep telling myself that I am in a good place with good people, that are interested in what I have to add here, so that makes me feel on a more equal plain with the group. But the truth of what I see is you have Seniority in this group and I do not, so, like the old time Union guy that I am, I bow to the Seniority.
And since you brought up age, I would never do that first with a lady, I deeply understand the wisdom that age brings to an individual. I remember our sport when the rules were much more loose and the ability to actually live off the catch was a possibility. I will be celebrating the 37th Anniversary of my 30th Birthday this year and I believe your youthful enthusiasm surpasses mine.
Picked this 67 up recently, bit of a mess, I just liked the tail plate and the cast control.
Have not stripped it yet, but I can't see any part numbers on the stand, star or handle.
It has the word grease and the knob has a sort of olive tinge.
Are all the parts correct, or have some been swapped.
I am sure someone can tell me the approximate age.
Thank you in advance,
Mike.
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QuotePicked this 67 up recently, bit of a mess, I just liked the tail plate and the cast control.
Have not stripped it yet, but I can't see any part numbers on the stand, star or handle.
It has the word grease and the knob has a sort of olive tinge.
Are all the parts correct, or have some been swapped.
I am sure someone can tell me the approximate age.
Mid 1940's, more than likely post-war. Without any part numbers showing it probably dates 1946 or 47. I say post-war because of the counterweight on the handle but I could be a few years off. These reels were made basically the same in the year before and after the war. They started to change in the late 1940's with the addition of numbered parts and then with a side plate style change. I like the Early Long Beach large reels with the external drags. I feel they were the best ever made for that size. Side plates felt a little heavier and the external drags are much easier for a quick fix or disc change.
The cast control is an aftermarket non-Penn add on. Here is the paperwork for the A-Square Fluid Hub you have on your reel:
Mike,
Thank you for the information.
This is to put in my collection, do I leave it as is, give it a clean as best I can, or replace the chrome with what is available.
Best wishes,
Mike.
P.S.
Your book is on its way, can't wait to get hold of it!
Latest update : Processed through our ISC CHICAGO IL (USPS) facility on January 25.
QuoteThis is to put in my collection, do I leave it as is, give it a clean as best I can, or replace the chrome with what is available.
I would clean it inside and out. Polish with your favorite chrome polish. I do not like to replace original parts unless I have parts from that era. New parts have part numbers stamped on them and, even if they fit correctly are historically incorrect.
That is my humble opinion.
Wow, very interesting...aftermarket cast control adjustment knob
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 26, 2015, 05:14:22 PM
QuoteThis is to put in my collection, do I leave it as is, give it a clean as best I can, or replace the chrome with what is available.
I would clean it inside and out. Polish with your favorite chrome polish. I do not like to replace original parts unless I have parts from that era. New parts have part numbers stamped on them and, even if they fit correctly are historically incorrect.
That is my humble opinion.
Thanks Mike, I will do as you say.
Mike.
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 26, 2015, 08:36:21 PM
Wow, very interesting...aftermarket cast control adjustment knob
Yes Bryan, couldn't believe it, after Mike posting a picture of a Long Beach earlier in this thread with a cast control, I find one in the U.K.!!
Mike.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 26, 2015, 05:14:22 PM
I would clean it inside and out. Polish with your favorite chrome polish. I do not like to replace original parts unless I have parts from that era. New parts have part numbers stamped on them and, even if they fit correctly are historically incorrect. That is my humble opinion.
Exactly so; and speaking of which, I have, free for the price of shipping, this (unstamped) original spool from a very old (40s? 50s?) Long Beach 68:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/P1000485_zps676232eb.jpg)
If anyone's interested, shoot me a PM. :)
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What an amazing thread, I'm in awe of the wealth of knowledge here! What a blast to read. Thanks!!!
Am new here,terrible with these tech computers, but I can fish,so this is my long beach pat pending ,no parts #on any thing ,everything seems right less the handle and nut,it may be a pflueger handle missing hex nut,believe spool is 1 5/8, got at garage sale in Palm springs of all places,works well,but has been used,I did not go crazy restoring it,just opened n lubed
One more,oops
Desert Cat Rat,
Interesting reel. I especially like the vintage sticker on the tail plate.
You said the spool width is 1 5/8, which would make it a 150 yard, small side plate diameter Long Beach. I have never seen that size with a Patent Pending plate. Could you measure the side plate diameter? If it is 3 1/4 inch then the spool should be a 1 7/8 inch.
The Pflueger handle adds a bit of confusion to the old Penn ;D
Thanks
Mike C.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 26, 2015, 05:32:55 AM
QuotePicked this 67 up recently, bit of a mess, I just liked the tail plate and the cast control.
Have not stripped it yet, but I can't see any part numbers on the stand, star or handle.
It has the word grease and the knob has a sort of olive tinge.
Are all the parts correct, or have some been swapped.
I am sure someone can tell me the approximate age.
Mid 1940's, more than likely post-war. Without any part numbers showing it probably dates 1946 or 47. I say post-war because of the counterweight on the handle but I could be a few years off. These reels were made basically the same in the year before and after the war. They started to change in the late 1940's with the addition of numbered parts and then with a side plate style change. I like the Early Long Beach large reels with the external drags. I feel they were the best ever made for that size. Side plates felt a little heavier and the external drags are much easier for a quick fix or disc change.
The cast control is an aftermarket non-Penn add on. Here is the paperwork for the A-Square Fluid Hub you have on your reel:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/ASquareFluidHibanti-backlashdevice848x1068_zps521ec1f3.jpg)
Years ago I bought a batch of tackle from a retired gentleman and there was one of these cast controls that came with an old jigmaster.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 28, 2015, 07:22:55 AM
Desert Cat Rat,
Interesting reel. I especially like the vintage sticker on the tail plate.
You said the spool width is 1 5/8, which would make it a 150 yard, small side plate diameter Long Beach. I have never seen that size with a Patent Pending plate. Could you measure the side plate diameter? If it is 3 1/4 inch then the spool should be a 1 7/8 inch.
The Pflueger handle adds a bit of confusion to the old Penn ;D
Thankks
Mike C.
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. Oops ,not sure I poseted quote correctly,I'm terrible with web😞
Yes,I did my fair research on this and could come up with not too much,side plate is 2 7/8" ,and spool is 1 5/8,I read that the patent on this model was issued around 37? It is in fair shape, I will open it and post pic,
I am not a full on vintage guy, but do my research on anything I buy and this is intriguing ,there is no stamp on any part, seems to be very dark brown Bakelite,she gets better free than some of my high dollar stuff😄
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Mike,
The handle is neat but I would like to find the right piece and it should have hex nut if I'm not mistaken?
Also, the thumb brake is odd,I looked to see if it was modded to fit but looks to be made to length,an aftermarket knick knack,
I also looked up the sporting goods store on the decal, nothing, ?
Quote from: DesertCatRat on January 28, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
The handle is neat but I would like to find the right piece and it should have hex nut if I'm not mistaken?
Hi and welcome, DesertCatRat! I live in Palm Springs... do you?
As it happens, I just finished restoring my vintage Long Beach 68 and I have this (unstamped) handle left over:
If you'd like to have it, just say the word. (I might even have a hex nut, too... I'll look.) :)
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Quote
Mike,
The handle is neat but I would like to find the right piece and it should have hex nut if I'm not mistaken?
Also, the thumb brake is odd,I looked to see if it was modded to fit but looks to be made to length,an aftermarket knick knack,
I also looked up the sporting goods store on the decal, nothing, ?
You say your side plate diameter is 2 7/8 inch. That cannot be right. If the spool is 1 5/8 inches wide, the side plate diameter should be 3 1/16 inches. Be that as it may, there are many other interesting aspects of your reel.
The fact that the handle is weird, there is a sticker on the reel, it has a vintage 1930's Thumb Stall, and the side plate color is brown opens a can of worms for historic investigation. I searched out the address on the sticker and it is well inland in Los Angeles but they may have been connected to the Reel Rental business in some way. Renting fishing rigs in Los Angeles was a popular thing to do in the 1930's because of the Depression. There is very little about your reel that fits the cookie cutter mold that is a Penn Long Beach model.
If that were my reel, I would not change a thing about it. Do nothing but clean it and then maybe if you get the time, try to follow up through whatever kind of research you can do about the tackle shop on the sticker. You may have a very odd Long Beach. Please verify the side plate diameter, maybe you have a vernier caliber you can check it with.
A tackle shop owner in the 1930's, wanting to be able to easily identify his reels, or sell reels to a reel rental store, would want to make the reel easy to spot in a bunch.
Imagine, if you were a worker in a reel rental shop near the Newport Pier. At the end of the day, your boss tells you to go out to the pier and collect the tackle that belongs to his shop. This is what you are up against:
You have to walk the pier, find the correct shop tackle and collect it. Having reels of odd colors and crazy incorrect handles makes it much easier to spot the shop gear.
Another interesting aspect of your reel is it looks like it has a Pflueger Handle and a Pflueger Thumb Stall. Those two items would be common for any tackle shop to have on hand back in the 1930's. Pflueger sold those leather Thumbstalls in a variety of widths as a after market item for people that wanted the extra drag capacity without burning your thumb to the bone.
I think your reel is an interesting collectible just the way it is. A great talking piece.
Quote from: Aiala on January 28, 2015, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: DesertCatRat on January 28, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
The handle is neat but I would like to find the right piece and it should have hex nut if I'm not mistaken?
Hi and welcome, DesertCatRat! I live in Palm Springs... do you?
As it happens, I just finished restoring my vintage Long Beach 68 and I have this (unstamped) handle left over:
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/LBHandle_zpsf2784a28.jpg)
If you'd like to have it, just say the word. (I might even have a hex nut, too... I'll look.) :)
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Yes aiala ,I actually live in rancho mirage,😄, small world, I got the reel along with a older 25 monofil for 20$ at a garage sale in Palm desert, figure they are worth 10$ a piece
I believe the handle for that model had no set screw, just a hex nut but not sure, will definitely keep that in mind
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 28, 2015, 05:08:01 PM
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Mike,
The handle is neat but I would like to find the right piece and it should have hex nut if I'm not mistaken?
Also, the thumb brake is odd,I looked to see if it was modded to fit but looks to be made to length,an aftermarket knick knack,
I also looked up the sporting goods store on the decal, nothing, ?
You say your side plate diameter is 2 7/8 inch. That cannot be right. If the spool is 1 5/8 inches wide, the side plate diameter should be 3 1/16 inches. Be that as it may, there are many other interesting aspects of your reel.
The fact that the handle is weird, there is a sticker on the reel, it has a vintage 1930's Thumb Stall, and the side plate color is brown opens a can of worms for historic investigation. I searched out the address on the sticker and it is well inland in Los Angeles but they may have been connected to the Reel Rental business in some way. Renting fishing rigs in Los Angeles was a popular thing to do in the 1930's because of the Depression. There is very little about your reel that fits the cookie cutter mold that is a Penn Long Beach model.
If that were my reel, I would not change a thing about it. Do nothing but clean it and then maybe if you get the time, try to follow up through whatever kind of research you can do about the tackle shop on the sticker. You may have a very odd Long Beach. Please verify the side plate diameter, maybe you have a vernier caliber you can check it with.
A tackle shop owner in the 1930's, wanting to be able to easily identify his reels, or sell reels to a reel rental store, would want to make the reel easy to spot in a bunch.
Imagine, if you were a worker in a reel rental shop near the Newport Pier. At the end of the day, your boss tells you to go out to the pier and collect the tackle that belongs to his shop. This is what you are up against:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Colors/1939NewportPierCalifornia1122x808_zps36f98850.jpg)
You have to walk the pier and find the correct shop tackle. Having reels of odd colors and crazy incorrect handles makes it much easier to spot the shop gear.
Another interesting aspect of your reel is it looks like it has a Pflueger Handle and a Pflueger Thumb Stall. Those two items would be common for any tackle shop to have on hand back in the 1930's. Pflueger sold those leather Thumbstalls in a variety of widths as a after market item for people that wanted the extra drag capacity without burning your thumb to the bone.
I think your reel is an interesting collectible just the way it is. A great talking piece.
Yes mike, you are correct, trying to eyeball with a rule while still assembled is not the most accurate measure,😁I pulled it and on my caliper 3.25" ,so you are correct,and the rental shop idea makes sense,
I cannot find anything on Duvalls sporting goods but I am not the most savvy web searcher,
So ,having that side plate and spool width it would be a 150 yd model 60?
It is in fine working condition ,I have only given it a good cleaning and some penn grease, and cx on the exterior
I appreciate your knowledge and input
Rancho Mirage, huh? Well! Boy howdy, neighbor! ;D
Funny, I've lived here for 27 years and never yet came across a yard sale reel. You lucked out!
Do you ever fish on the San Diego long-range boats?
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QuoteYes mike, you are correct, trying to eyeball with a rule while still assembled is not the most accurate measure,😁I pulled it and on my caliper 3.25"
OK, we are making progress. Being that the side plate diameter is 3 1/4 inches, your Long Beach must be a Model 60 or 65. Now we have established that, your spool width must be 1 7/8 inches for a Model 60 or 2 1/8 inches for a Model 65. Those are the only two widths that work with the 3 1/4 side plates.
The fact that the side plates are brown and say Patent Pending now makes sense for that diameter plate. The reel is probably a 1934 or 35 model.
Old, vintage Penn handles are the best!
They are so neat -- with the slight differences you sometimes find in the colors -- or how the resin was poured and mixed/marbled.
One time about 12 years ago, I was placing a phone order with Southwestern Parts in Dallas -- after we got the laundry list order straight, I remembered that I had a couple of 16/0s and a 14/0 that could use new cranks.
So I asked my parts guy if he had any in stock. He said he had 6, and since I wasn't concerned about the colors -- I just asked him to include them in the order at $6.50 each. When they arrived, they were marbled red, butterscotch marbled green, and black. These were actually old ones that had been in their parts bin for awhile. Installed the black ones on the reels. Decided to sell the rest on eBay a couple of years later -- they sold for between $60 and $90 each -- and I could kick myself now for ever selling them -- they were beautiful.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 28, 2015, 05:56:48 PM
QuoteYes mike, you are correct, trying to eyeball with a rule while still assembled is not the most accurate measure,😁I pulled it and on my caliper 3.25"
OK, we are making progress. Being that the side plate diameter is 3 1/4 inches, your Long Beach must be a Model 60 or 65. Now we have established that, your spool width must be 1 7/8 inches for a Model 60 or 2 1/8 inches for a Model 65. Those are the only two widths that work with the 3 1/4 side plates.
The fact that the side plates are brown and say Patent Pending now makes sense for that diameter plate. The reel is probably a 1934 or 35 model.
I am an idiot,rule has about 1/4" before start of 1 " ,I was measuring from edge of rule, wow! I feel dumb, I only used it last night and today,I would like to say I have a good excuse,apparently the desert heat has cooked my brain causing a deficiency 😓
That would explain my being off 1/4" on everything, plus I was working in the dark,open windows help,light!
So yes mike, 1 7/8" it is
I work on reels but don't measure much, most common specs are easily obtained, I actually had to use a ruler on this
Excuse my mistake, I am I resilient floorlayer,so I i am measuring all day, hmmmm,I would like to think using a simple ruler would be in my wheelhouse
The spool is drilled through as well
Quoterule has about 1/4" before start of 1 " ,I was measuring from edge of rule
Brian,
That's funny. Very easy to make that mistake. I used to work with a guy that cut off the first three inches of his pocket metal measuring tape. He reattached the little angle and used to lend to people. Caused many laughs on the job.
The drilled spool is another tell of the age. It is a proper part for the vintage of that reel.
So, what we have now is a possible story or a very neat old Long Beach. If you decide to bring the reel back to stock, you need to remove the Thumb Stall and add this type of handle and handle screw:
This reel is a 1933 Long Beach but the handle and screw for yours will be the same. Or, you can leave it the way it is and enjoy the talking piece. :)
I took the stall off before, that is if no importance to this reel I suppose,the sleeve thread is uncommon,I haven't find a nut for it,Scott's sent one as a possible,but was not a match,I'm sure I can locate one,
The one you show has a post on top, is that a model difference or year?
So, you suspect it is around 35' model 60 150 yd ?
I looked on another site, I suspect that was you speaking on these models, I haven't found a lot of info other than the long beach was one of the original penn models sold to public
I suppose I didnt do bad for a garage sale in the desert
Thank you much, I love history as I do fishing,so I respect your knowledge of both,great stuff
Brian,
The sleeve thread for the early models is different. The hex head screw used to attach the handle I believe is smaller. When I need one of those I usually look for a parts reel.
Here is your reel in the 1935 Penn catalog:
Your model is the No.60. The only difference is the head plate spool bearing. The illustration in the catalog is incorrect. The hex head bearing is what is on the reels.
Good Luck,
Mike C.
PS- The reel I pictured is a three pillar 1933 Long Beach. All the reels made by Penn in 1933 had three Pillars. They changed to your style in 1934.
You did very well for a garage sale buy. That reel is worth four times what you paid for it.
Hi DesertCatRat --
Here are some handles and hex nuts.
If you haven't found any yet -- you can take your pick of these.
The wood black ebony handle knobs can be restored easy enough --
0000 steel wool to rough up a bit and remove any loose paint, blow off with air, then use a tack cloth to get any bits of steel wool you can't see, tape off metal on handle, spray very light coat of gloss black, let dry 24 hours, come back with another dose of 0000 steel wool -- just to rough up the surface slightly, blow off again, last coat of black gloss, let dry 48 hours in warm room before handling.
Sometimes you can also use a very black ebony stain -- work it into the wood -- maybe 2 or 3 times -- then spray with clear lacquer 2 or 3 coats -- 0000 steel wool in between lacquer coats -- lastly mix Rottenstone powder with water for a pasty consistency -- rub on with a soft flannel cloth -- buff to a gloss finish with a clean soft chamois. If you wish a little duller finish -- use peanut oil in place of the water when mixing the paste.
The handle and nut next to the ruler may be the best condition age match to the patina already on the reel -- but that is up to you.
Best,
Fred
Foakes ,
Thanks, was going to comment on your handle collection,growing up in long beach fishing my dads old squidders and 500's, I always loved the handles, one of my favorite things of older models,
As for the ones above, that is a nice one by the ruler,similar length to the pflueger one currently on the reel
I'm not sure I would be into refinishing as the reel is somewhat "patina'd"
The hex nt looks correct and that would be something I'd be into
If you would be into letting a set go ,I guess send a pm
I'm new to the site so not sure the proper protocol
Either way very nice collection
QuoteIf you haven't found any yet -- you can take your pick of these.
Fred,
When I saw all the vintage handles I was wondering what happened to all the reels they were attached to.
The $6.50 deal you got on the 118 handles was amazing, even for 12 year ago pricing.
I am impressed with your generosity concerning the early vintage handles and handle screws. I know they are not easy to find these days.
I suspect you are one of the Good Guys.......................... ;)
All the Best,
Mike C.
Hi Mike & Brian --
It is not really a collection -- just spare parts over the years.
I would take every reel people would give or sell me -- generally in large groups, or old tackle shop buyouts.
Many times reels had broken sideplates, missing spools, etc. Sometimes boxes and boxes full -- or truck loads.
So I got pretty good at stripping old reels down and organizing the parts into groups and brands -- with the idea that they would be useful at some point. And over the years, the bails, spools, rotors, handles, and every small part have been invaluable when needed.
So I have a decent selection of both old and NOS parts for a few different major old brands. And many other less popular reels.
Makes it easier to repair reels for clients.
Brian, I will PM (private mail) you -- then you can email me your name and address.
There will be no charge -- just pay a couple of bucks for postage after you are satisfied with the parts.
Mike -- as you have found out, everyone on here is a "good guy, or gal" -- amazing site -- everyone tries to help as they can. And Alan and the Moderators keep everything on the high road with the 12 YO rule.
Thanks again for all you do, Mike...
Best,
Fred
Well Fred, I see you have a massive amount of stuff. What amazes me more than all the stuff you have is the level of "NEAT" you have accomplished. I have seen other massive collections but very few are kept as neat and seemingly organized as yours.
Nice Penn book you got there too!! :D
Fred, mike, I too am impressed with the quality of folks on this site,been on many times as guest and fantastic group of people and knowledge
I am reluctant to sign up for anything, but I felt this site is special so decided to register
Thanks to both for the great info on my long beach, super cool find as the Palm Springs area is not a sport fishing Mecca, with the salton sea heydays I'm sure there may some good finds out here,who knows?
Fred, I will send you a pm shortly
I will get some better pics of the model 60 in the coming days ,hopefully with a new handle and nut😉
I have the brass drag washers which are a bit rough, cupped a bit, and it had very thin smooth black drag washers?
My old 25 has leather,is that what my 60 should have?
I'm into original stock condition when it comes to older models, to keep it as true to the period as possible
I only have a few older penn's ,so this long beach is definitely top in my limited collection
I love the other reels in this thread, very cool to see the many faces of the long beach models
Quote from: DesertCatRat on January 29, 2015, 05:10:56 PM
Palm Springs area is not a sport fishing Mecca, with the Salton Sea heydays I'm sure there may some good finds out here,who knows?
20+ years ago I regularly fished the Salton Sea out of Red Hill/Niland... wide-open bites of 10-20lb corvina were the rule rather than the exception. All gone, alas... :-\
As for what's available locally, there's Lake Cahuilla for stocked trout in winter (cats in summer), Lake Hemet up the mountains, Diamond Valley Lake, and of course San Diego isn't all that far. :)
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A~
I have not been able to find anything on the Duvall's Sporting Goods laminate on the left tail plate of my long beach, mike c lent some great ideas which make a lot of sense
However I was able to find this photo online of a fly rod tube with marking containing the same sporting goods store? I am now quite curious
Exploring red knob tackle, which may have been a tackle store inside of Duvalls, a lot of stores had separate stores within, I'm hoping this may be the case
Any thoughts?
:o :o The worm turns! Isn't it weird that your Long Beach has a strange "Red Knob" handle and the store within Duvall's Sporting Goods was known as Red Knob Tackle. To me that is too much of a coincidence to just walk on by it.
We keep calling the handle a Pflueger handle, but, could it be a Penn handle blade with a special Red Knob Tackle, Red Knob installed on it????? ::)
Not that a Pflueger handle cannot be adapted to a Penn reel, but, a Pflueger Handle has a square broached hole in it while a Penn handle has a hole in it shaped more like an egg.
Stranger things have happened you know! ??? ??? ???
Mike,
Wow! I totally missed that, and what sense,good eye
Here are pics of my handle removed from the 60 , on the right, and one off my 25 monofil, left,for comparison
Is the knurled counter weight proper for the 60?
Notice the "pflueger " curves in opposite of what actually is 24-155,
There is some rough marks on back of knob shaft, may indicate custom job
But the red knob mystery,hmm,no steel shaft for knob either
Looks to me like the Red Knob has been mounted to the original Penn Handle blade. Just look at the handle blades in Fred's pictures. The counter weight and blade look the same. The direction of the "S" curve shape is variable. It goes both ways on many Penn handles.
The old wood Penn knobs broke down in time. A previous owner of this reel may not have liked the old knob or he may have damaged it and had it changed to this Red Knob, or maybe this shop did this on a regular basis. Seems like the penning done to the knob rivet tail is not factory done.
It is a mystery, but it also has made for a interesting point about this old reel. Too bad the reel cannot talk. :(
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 30, 2015, 01:22:30 AM
Looks to me like the Red Knob has been mounted to the original Penn Handle blade. Just look at the handle blades in Fred's pictures. The counter weight and blade look the same. The direction of the "S" curve shape is variable. It goes both ways on many Penn handles.
The old wood Penn knobs broke down in time. A previous owner of this reel may not have liked the old knob or he may have damaged it and had it changed to this Red Knob, or maybe this shop did this on a regular basis. Seems like the penning done to the knob rivet tail is not factory done.
It is a mystery, but it also has made for a interesting point about this old reel. Too bad the reel cannot talk. :(
I agree Mike , I too looked at Fred's handles, the counterweight is knurled in most , and s curves are consistent
I find it interesting the knob is poured all the way to the blank and has an oil port, nice work indeed
Very kindly,Fred is sending me a proper handle and nut
But since the discovery of "red knob tackle" and your theory on their possible use of custom red handles to identify their gear from the rest, I am wondering if it should remain as is? I am old school and prefer complete stock resto, this has me in a bit of a quandary
Maybe I can uncover some more info or if I listen closely "she"may talk to me, all my reels are lady's 😁
I saw the long beach earlier in thread with the white diamond on the left tail plate ,are these markings very common? If so, I wonder if there are other reels with the Duvalls decal out there, or even other so cal tackle shops decals
I know of the different colored plates or painted plates, the decals intrigue me
I recently bought a Seagate which, as Mike said, is just a Long Beach 60 with a different name. At less than $10 including shipping, I couldn't pass it up. The black plastic spool was tweaked and difficult to turn so I temporarily replaced it with a brown one from a Seaboy 85. I've since ordered a more appropriately colored spool. I also upgraded the drag stack with HT100s but left the rest as originally found. The bridge is part #3-85 which makes me wonder if it is original. I would think a 3-60 bridge is correct for this reel. Does anyone know which bridge is the correct one for my reel?
Thank You,
George
George,
The Seagate (250 yds- #125 model 1939-46 ) was discontinued before part nos. began being stamped.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Penn125.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Penn125.aspx)
The parts for a Long Beach#60 should fit as replacements . They were made with metal and plastic spools.
Ray
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
My one and only Long Beach no66 - I've just spent the best part of two days stripping and cleaning this reel I originally bought for spare parts - and while looking through my boxes of spare parts to make this reel useable I came across a Long Beach side plate with no number .
Cheers.
Matt...
I think its too good to scrap now ...
Good Job Matt! I love the 66 and 67. ;D
Quote from: Superhook on February 08, 2015, 10:15:45 PM
George,
The Seagate (250 yds- #125 model 1939-46 ) was discontinued before part nos. began being stamped.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Penn125.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Penn125.aspx)
The parts for a Long Beach#60 should fit as replacements . They were made with metal and plastic spools.
Ray
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
That makes sense, since no other part is stamped with a number. The -85 bridge is a replacement. Thanks for the info.
George
Quotewhile looking through my boxes of spare parts to make this reel useable I came across a Long Beach side plate with no number .
That no number plate you have is actually a Penn plate. Penn must have had at least one mold plug that left the Model number blank. I believe they sold those no number side plates for spares. I have one also. Mine was on a Penn 68.
Neat little tid bit of info, Mike... nice find, Matt!
Dom
My Long beach 60. Got this one from Islandgypsy. Thanks. Measurements done. Half frame 3D model sent to several CNC shops.
Custom crank from AT. Knob is from an old corroded #49 handle.
New drags, 60lbs braid.
That reel is ready to crank.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on February 09, 2015, 11:47:19 PM
That reel is ready to crank.
Yes, it's a nice little reel. Since there are so many of them out amongst people, I am trying to get a aluminium half frame cut for it. The design is ready and the 3d model sent out for price quote.
This is what it may look like when finished.
Typo in filename. :-) There is no Long Beach 80.
Very Interesting. It is like a Tiburon frame, except Tiburon does not make one for a Long Beach. This could be a hot product. There are thousands of Long Beach 60's out there.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on February 09, 2015, 11:55:57 PM
Very Interesting. It is like a Tiburon frame, except Tiburon does not make one for a Long Beach. This could be a hot product. There are thousands of Long Beach 60's out there.
It's a bit more refined than the Tib frames. They look a bit more square. I have tried to use more rounded forms to make it better looking.
All screw holes ends up blind. None of the side plate screws will protrude on the inside of the frame and no open holes.
It may end up a bit more expensive to make, but I am not going to earn big money on this anyway. I am first of all inerested in getting it done without loosing money. If I earn enough to make a prototype run for my 113H / HLW frame it will be great.
That's very nice Trond, I hope it works out and you can get them whipped out at an affordable price. Like Mike said, tons of them still in service.
Now, I know you live on Vega island and you are proud to name your creation after your home land. God bless you for that....only thing is back here in the USA a "Vega" was a famously crap junk vehicle that Chevrolet made back about 45 years ago and the name Vega will forever be associated with lesser quality.....Have you considered a different name ?? Not that Vega won't work, but it would be 1,000 times better and would likely sell more if you named it...say ....corvette....or mazerati. Nothing wrong with Vega, just wanted you to know what a Vega is to most USA residents. ;)
Quote from: Max Doubt on February 10, 2015, 01:40:02 AM
Have you considered a different name??
Hmm... "Pinto"? "Citation"? "Aztek"? ;D
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A~
Quote from: Max Doubt on February 10, 2015, 01:40:02 AM
That's very nice Trond, I hope it works out and you can get them whipped out at an affordable price. Like Mike said, tons of them still in service.
Now, I know you live on Vega island and you are proud to name your creation after your home land. God bless you for that....only thing is back here in the USA a "Vega" was a famously crap junk vehicle that Chevrolet made back about 45 years ago and the name Vega will forever be associated with lesser quality.....Have you considered a different name ?? Not that Vega won't work, but it would be 1,000 times better and would likely sell more if you named it...say ....corvette....or mazerati. Nothing wrong with Vega, just wanted you to know what a Vega is to most USA residents. ;)
I know,but this isn't a car.
Vega is not that bad of a name, IMO.
I look forward to actually having one in my hands -- to try it out -- I have quite a few 60s all serviced and ready to go -- 12 or 14. This would make a nice addition if the pricing is reasonable, and production is possible.
If these were made in anodized ice blue -- they would look good, as well as have a Blue Ice heritage, since they come from way up North in the cold Scandinavian reaches.
And, some of you may recognize that VEGA also refers to the brightest blue star visible in the Northern hemisphere.
This star is only 25 light years from Earth, is suspected to have planets orbiting it, along with a "Goldilocks" planet -- just at the right distance to possibly harbor life.
Vega was actually the "North Star" (Polaris is now the North Star for you navigators) about 3000 years ago -- and will be the North Star in another 12,000 years -- due to the slight shift over time in the Earth's axis. Just like spinning a toy top, and watching it start to wobble a bit.
But I don't care about all of that -- got a bunch of LB 60s that could use some solid frames -- whatever their name is. 😃😃😃😃😃
Good luck on moving your project from concept to reality, Trond.
Best,
Fred
Ha, Fred, you beat me to the punch...................<:O)
QuoteI know,but this isn't a car.
You are correct. Here is the true definition of Vega!
Vega (α Lyr, α Lyrae, Alpha Lyrae) is the brightest star in the constellation Lyra, the fifth brightest star in the night sky and the second brightest star in the northern celestial hemisphere, after Arcturus.
Hey,
The Vega wasn't that bad once you shoe horned a 327 under the hood! Remember the one from mad max?
Probably an age thing, but I remember that you could go into any auto junkyard and find intact Vegas that were there only because no one could keep the engine running. ;D ;D
TomT
As I mentioned in a previous post, My well-used Seagate (a Penn 60 by another name) excluding the -85 bridge, appears to have all original parts. One of our wonderful members (thank you, John) sent me an old unmarked -60 bridge and a set of very nice Seagate sideplates. I installed his bridge in my first reel, returning it to all original/vintage condition, patina and all. Then I bought new parts to assemble another reel with the gifted sideplates. I'm happy with the result:
Long live the Long Beach!
Regards,
George
An example of a Long Beach 65 with brown and black speckled plates. It appears to be all original. No numbers on any of the parts, with the exception of the handle. The previous owner properly cleaned and removed the salt corrosion, for which I'm eternally grateful. Thank you, buddy. It has a nice patina on the chrome parts and I'll keep it that way. Many folks use a brillo pad to remove the corrosion, leaving everything hideously scratched. >:(
Long live the Long Beach,
George
Nice reel George.... I got one just like it this week except I believe yours is a bit older. Mine was during the transitional years with a mix of numbered and non numbered parts. Clean her up, switch out the handle and nut, then shelf her.
Nice find,
Dom
[quoteAn example of a Long Beach 65 with brown and black speckled plates][/quote]
Great collectible, These mottled models, especially Long Beach versions are not easy to find.
Thank you, gentlemen. Dom, I think we are fortunate to find two LBs in this color. Mine is as clean is it'll get for fear of removing more chrome. On the shelf it goes.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on March 16, 2015, 04:23:22 AM
Great collectible, These mottled models, especially Long Beach versions are not easy to find.
Other than the example on your
Penn Picture Tail Plates thread, I don't believe I've seen another LB in this color. I made the initial bid on eBay and no one else saw or wanted it.
QuoteOther than the example on your Penn Picture Tail Plates thread, I don't believe I've seen another LB in this color. I made the initial bid on eBay and no one else saw or wanted it.
No telling why the auction went that way, just the nature of the EBay environment. I once bought a Penn Model 170 for $5.00 on EBay. The next one I saw sold for over $200. One never knows.
Ah yes, the elusive 170. Is it a widened version of the original 190 knucklebuster?
QuoteAh yes, the elusive 170. Is it a widened version of the original 190 knucklebuster?
Actually they were both introduced in the 1939 model year, so there is no original version. They were born together. Scan from the 1939 Catalog:
Quote from: Penn Chronology on March 16, 2015, 11:37:01 PM
QuoteAh yes, the elusive 170. Is it a widened version of the original 190 knucklebuster?
Actually they were both introduced in the 1939 model year, so there is no original version. They were born together. Scan from the 1939 Catalog:
I call it the
original 190 to differentiate from the much larger 190 Seaboy introduced in the 1990s.
(https://www.mysticparts.com/Assets/images/reels/pen190.jpg)
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackles old online store over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Quote
I call it the original 190 to differentiate from the much larger 190 Seaboy introduced in the 1990s
And here is my weak link. I am not familiar with modern products.
:D Its 25 years old Mike.
Granted, I drive an old Chevy to work every day that is 26, But I don't consider it Modern. ;)
Daron,
If it's not as old as Mike it must be NEW and if the reel is not as old as me ...next. Works for me too. ;D
Well, I like old things. Here is the Jeep I drive,
and here is my old S 10 Chevy that I painted last year with a gallon of Royal Blue Rustoleum and a paint brush. Cost me $32 to paint that old truck and $15 for those plastic hubcaps.
I do not have any pictures of my 1990 Ford van with 300,000 on the original motor and still taking me back and fourth to the airport every weekend (you can see a piece of it behind the old CJ. I like my old ugly van because people see me coming and get out of my way. :)
So you were the guy that cut me off on the Southern State Pkwy. on the weekend.
Mike
QuoteSo you were the guy that cut me off on the Southern State Pkwy. on the weekend.
So youes was dat old guy doing 35mph in da passing lane. Yea, dat was me dat cut youes off.................. ;D ;D
Since we are turning this into Show off your Roller. :D Here is Mine. 1989 Silverado. My Daily Driver. I could use one of those $32 paint jobs Mike. ;D
I stick with old stuff because I understand it. New stuff baffles me.
Me too. that's why I drive this old Truck. Plus, it gets 25MPG. My 2008 gets 16.
I had an s10 like that once it had a tbi 350 with a big cam and a 700r4 transmission it would fly. ;D
Dustin
I came across this picture today Mike of Mr. Henze. I think this was circa 1932.
Daron,
I do not see Otto in the photo and the cars are from the 40's . Could be after Otto passed away in 1949 .
Ray
Ray,
I just did a search on Yahoo of Otto Henze on. This one popped up. I don't see how you can tell that one of those gentleman was not him.
Daron,
The only definite images of Otto i have seen are in Mike's book. The building in your photo was the one that Penn moved to in 1942. I don't see Otto in the photo. I have seen a few photos of Martha with a teenage lad very close by and i would presume it is a family member ( son Herbert? ) Otto may have taken the photo in 1942 ? Hopefully Mike will shed some more light when he finishes work.
Ray
ps - Could the gentleman on the left be Otto?
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All the building photos you guys have posted are of the Hunting Park Ave., location (moved into during WW II). The photo that Daron posted is probably during the war and may have Otto standing next to Martha (Very hard to tell).
Ray, your photo is later, probably in the 1950's after Otto has passed. Martha is pictured with two of the company officers, neither is Otto or John Egly. Photos of Otto are rare but do pop in the catalogs. There are a few photos of the famous Tuna trip where Otto was lost at sea overnight (page 55 of my book).
Mr. Henze came to this country in the 1920's. I believe my photo is authentic. It really doesn't matter. I was just trying to contribute.
Martha carried on the tradition, and I love her for it! :-*
I love these old nostalgic historic photos...keep 'em coming.
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/pennboatparty%20with%20Martha%20and%20Otto.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/pennboatparty%20with%20Martha%20and%20Otto.jpg.html)
Martha and teenager -left front. Everyone is looking at the camera except the gentleman with the hat and fishing rod who is looking in Martha's direction.....Otto ?
I can recall a sale of about 50 old Penn Company photos that were for sale individually in Lang's Store online listing in about 2008. One young feller bought about 20 but since sold them. I have not seen or heard about them since.
QuoteMr. Henze came to this country in the 1920's. I believe my photo is authentic. It really doesn't matter. I was just trying to contribute.
Martha carried on the tradition, and I love her for it! Kiss
Daron,
You are 100% correct and your photo is most definitely authentic.
QuoteMartha and teenager -left front. Everyone is looking at the camera except the gentleman with the hat and fishing rod who is looking in Martha's direction.....Otto ?
Ray, your photo is a capture from the 1940's and may have the whole family in the picture with the employees. Otto always wanted his employees to fish as well as build reels. So this is more than likely a picture of an employee fishing trip. Tough Job, eh???
I have sent this picture to someone that may be able to verify the people in the picture that we are talking about. Worth a shot anyways.
Ha ha, the man in the middle with the rod appears to be giving the teenager the "evil eye".....just coincidentally, they are the only 2 people in the picture that are not grinning. Yep, my vote is father & son.
I call this photo, FIND MARTHA!.........
Nice photos Mike...keep them coming.
Sal
OK, one more in the factory shot for now. No CNC equipment here!!
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Photo of Penn employees and about a third distance from left , Otto in suit ?, Martha and son.
In the picture of the people on the boat there is another man in the back right that isn't looking at the camera as well. looks like he might be doing something with his reel.
Not to hijack the thread, but since all the knowledge seems to be here. I have a Penn 99 that the reel seat has line capacity on it instead of the part number (no part numbers anywhere actually) and the tail plate is pictured. How old would that be?
QuoteNot to hijack the thread, but since all the knowledge seems to be here. I have a Penn 99 with the reel seat has line capacity on it stead of part number (no part numbers anywhere actually) and the tail plate is pictured. How old would that be?
The first Penn 99 was introduced in 1949. The Silver Beach was made pre-war as the model 97 & 98. If yours has the model # in the head plate logo and it has a line capacity on the stand with no part numbers it was made from 1949 to maybe 1951 or 52. From 1953 Penn started numbering the parts.
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on March 27, 2015, 05:19:56 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but since all the knowledge seems to be here. I have a Penn 99 with the reel seat has line capacity on it stead of part number (no part numbers anywhere actually) and the tail plate is pictured. How old would that be?
Does the logo say "99" ??
It does say 99 on it. To bad, a pre war reel would have been nice! Only between 1949-52 still makes it quite old and from a short run. Thanks for the info. Also, it has an arrow on the handle side plate ring, showing where the thumb screw should line up. Thats the first time I have seen that.
QuoteIt does say 99 on it. To bad, a pre war reel would have been nice! Only between 1949-52 still makes it quite old and from a short run. Thanks for the info. Also, it has an arrow on the handle side plate ring, showing where the thumb screw should line up. Thats the first time I have seen that.
On page 147 in my book there is a three page description of your reel. I always considered the Silver Beach 99 a iconic model Penn reel.
That arrow on the head plate retaining screw is a trait you might find on any of the early EZ take aparts.
I found a few more pics Mike.
These are probably from the 1940's. I tried to blow them up, but they just get fuzzy.
QuoteI found a few more pics Mike.
Great stuff, I have not seen these. With all the ladies, I would think most are from wartime era.
The Newell Nut is not prejudice. I actually have a large Penn collection. ;)
This week I logged on just at the right time to see a LB65 NIB listed at buy it now for 24.99 and I thought about it for two seconds. Now I have NIB LB 60, 65, 66 and 67. And a few tanks.
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That's nice~!
Real, Reel, nice.....................Great buy~!
$25.00 is a absolute best buy. It is a 1968 NOS LB 65 worth at least double that.
Thank you for the accurate date and value. I knew it is one of the early ones with a steel gear. An earlier price on top of the box was $10.29.
Thought I'd share photos of my LB65, LB67 and 2 LB67 boxes. The 65 is nonnumbered, square non-pictured tailplate, w/hershey's clicker knob, drilled spool arbor, scalloped handle retainer, and large coin edged counterweight w/torpedo knob. No yardage stamped on foot.
Maybe a ca. 1941/42 w/an older, nonpictured tailplate?
Or maybe it is more likely that this reel is a late 1940s model, with an earlier/prewar handle, and an incorrect non-pictured tailplate both of which were added at some later point?
The LB67 appears to be 1946/47 but with a prewar (drilled spool arbor) 3-piece spool. The large slug counterweight, and torpedo knob suggest post war. It is non-numbered, has the standard square-edged picture tailplate, and externally accessable drags.
The first LB67 box is a 1941.
The second LB67 box is a 1951-1952/53 (this is not the correct wrench for this reel box).
Interesting bunch of Long Beach models.
Thanks to Ted, I now have a prewar (1940/41 No.67 reel to display with my 1940/41 box. I can see collecting these early LB reels can be a never ending quest. I do have a start.
John,
The Long Beach is a model that Penn built many different ways. In chapter 6 of my Penn Companion, green book, the Long Beach is the topic. Penn loved modifying the Long Beach in the 1930's. From 1933 to 1939, Penn built the Long Beach model 12 different ways. So it is a fun model to collect.
Ted's Long beach Reels
From back left : #60 in the 1957 transition box , 1939 #65 , 1950 #65LH - ID on box and logo on reel , 1940's #60 & 1946-48 #65LS - The LS stands for Light Spool . In 1946-48 #60'S AND #65'S were made with plastic spools and had either #60LS or #65LS printed on the box .
The reels in front are from the 1940's .
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4 x #60's - 3 without no's and 1 with some no's.
Check that two-tone pointy Torpedo handle and large counterweight. ( Killer)
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1939 #65 . 300yds.
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Ted has taken many years to put together these superb condition reels & boxes into his collection . Thanks for sharing Ted and congratulations on a fine result.
Ted,
VERY nice group of reels.
Quote from: Oceanreels on October 28, 2015, 01:29:05 AM
Ted,
VERY nice group of reels.
X2
Ver..very nice!
Finally get to see the whole family, though I suspect this is not all of the LongBeaches in your current posession. Those reels are in remarkably good condition.
Ted,
If there were a beauty contest for these reels, no doubt you would be the winner.
Those do look sweet...
As good as it gets. Ted puts in his time and has an amazing eye for those rare treasures. I've learned a lot from him in the past year or two which is partly why my collection has grown slightly out of control. 8)
I agree Ray... that handle is a special one!
Thanks for putting Ted's finds out there for all to admire,
Dom
PS- Can we please sticky this topic... it's a seriously historically significant thread and has some awesome reels packed in it.
Longbeach 268
My 259
nice 8)
Wish they would have put graphite frames on all the long beach models. That 268 is a sweet reel.
Love the 259, looks like a cross between jigmaster and senator. Very nice.
In another thread I was talking about my newest acquisition; a Long Beach 66. It has a deep main gear and has already been upgraded to a 5-stack. I bought the 66 because I already have a 68; it belonged to my dad, and I inherited it. We just commemorated the 23rd anniversary of his death, so this reel has sentimental value as well. I had this 68 in my garage (high and dry) for almost all those 23 years, and about 8 mos ago I took all the reels he had (this 68, a Jigmaster 500, a Pflueger Templar 1419 3/4 and a Pflueger Oceanic 2178) and I broke them down, cleaned them up, polished them, and reassembled). Well, 8 mos ago I hadn't yet found this site (it was while I was cleaning up these reels that I found AlanTani.com), so earlier today I broke it down again, cleaned/polished and reassembled. It's a pre-1950 model; it has the hardened steel main gear with an upgraded 5-stack (with black plastic or leather drag washers) and an orange-ish handle; no part numbers appear anywhere. Here's a view; I've become attached to the two-tone spool (the chrome from the arbor is gone).
If someone can tell me how to comment between photos I would appreciate it. I'll just continue with photos as replies to my original post; it'll work OK that way. I have a few questions. The first is, can anyone tell me more about this reel? Based on the color of the handle can we narrow down the year of production? I'd like to know as much about this reel as I can.
What you can't tell from the photo above is that the handle knob has a swirl pattern. Here's another close-up view
Sid,
Great bunch of reels you inheireted there. That is a cool looking semitransparent/amber swirl handle knob. It is actually the counterweights that changed in a more predictable manner then the knobs. Generally speaking, the large coin-edged indicates prewar, the large smooth slug style was next, then the large triple stack pancake (2 different versions 3 stacks of same size, and 2 of same size with a smaller one on top). Your reel has an externally accessible drag, with deep steel gear, leather drag washers, nonnumbered parts, hershey kiss style clicker butgon, pictured tailplate, model logo with "pat'd" and model number, square edged side plates, 3-piece chromed bronze spool with non drilled arbor (mushroom head pin present), and no line yardage indicated on the reel foot. These traits all point to 1947-1949 production era. The handle counterweight suggests 1948/49 (I think?) though bear in mind handles are commonly changed by the owners. Did he buy this reel new (i.e. 1 owner reel), and if so.. is there any chance you could locate the origional box? It should look much like the one on the right in the photos I posted earlier in the thread.
Thanks for sharing!
I have more pics, but they don't tell much more about the reel. So, I'm curious if the handle knob color can narrow down the year of production more accurately than pre-1950.... other questions come to mind.... To keep the reel period-correct, I have left the drag washers in place that I found in the reel (it was actually missing one; it has an upgraded 5-stack). This is the oldest reel that I own, and the only one for which "period-correct" is significant. I don't know if putting in HT-100 drag discs will make a difference; I'm going to retire the reel and keep it on the shelf, so I guess it won't matter?Huh? I don't know..... I closed it up with grease only on the eccentric and in the screw holes; if it spends the rest of its life on a shelf I don't think it will matter. Is that correct?
Thanks, John. You are John, right? I'm trying to learn names... it's not so easy.... Unfortunately I don't know for sure if my dad was the original owner, but I think probably not.... I have no box or any other documentation. He didn't buy his boat until the early 80's, but we had reels before that; I may have actually used this reel as I kid; I have no idea. We actually surf-fished with two of the reels I mentioned previously, and I think this might have been one of them. It was a long, long time ago - 50 years or so. I can't remember what I did yesterday.
Sid,
Yes my name is John....
and I have a fishing reel problem :)
If you plan on keeping the reel on a shelf, just break it down, gently clean it up (as you have done), and lightly coat the metal parts with Corrosion X or some other low volitile oil with Corrosion protection properties. Leather drag washers can be gently oiled, you can put some light marine grease on the gears themselves if you like, but the oil will protect them fine for a shelf queen. You can use some plastic cleaning/protection product (like mothers back-to-black) on the sideplates if you like, and some chrome or general polish on the rest (like Simichrome, Never dull or the like), to lightly polish the visable stuff.
I would recommend purchasing Mike's 2 books if you want to learn more about the early history of Penn, and ORCA offers a great reel restoration guide if your interested in learning more about restoring old, collectable reels.
BTW, according to Mike's book your reel is worth between $40-$80, depending on condition without the box, catalog, wrench, and lube.
To post pictures directly into the thread, you need to simply upload them to a photo sharing site (such as Photobucket), then copy and past the link address into the post. There are more complete instructions available elsewhere on this forum.
Interestingly, the pinion gear doesn't have the round reinforcing ring on the spool side - I suspect this was a weakness in the reel that would have been one of the first things to fail under a heavy load.... I think that's something I might have learned here.... and I thank you all for that... so if I put in the proper amount of drag washers (HT-100) will it (technically) devalue the reel?
Thanks again, John. I have both of Mike's books, but am only starting to read the second (green cover). These books have so many fine details that I've been highlighting sections of the second book and when I'm done I'll go back through the first and highlight the appropriate passages for myself. Even then I have little hope of gaining a command of the material as you and Mike C. have. I am developing a real reel problem. Well, I don't see it as a problem at all, but don't talk to my wife about this. To her, it's a problem. I'm spending too much time on this site and Ebay, according to her. But I'm having great fun, and she just doesn't (and never will) understand. I guess it's a guy thing. If you don't have a Y chromosome it's best to stay clear....
This ring was used on smaller pinion gears and added to reels with much later production dates (not sure when the first one appeared.. maybe early-mid 1960s on the Jigmaster?). It's absence on your reel model is not very telling. Though you are right, it does add strength to the pinion, it also helps the small gear to seat fully against the flange in the reel spool shaft base. Technically, collectors are looking for reels with all period correct and origional parts, adding modern drag discs therfore would detract from its value to a collector. However, your reel model is somewhat common (at least for this production period). That spool was not designed to be fished with modern mono line, and may spread and warp if fished with it. If you are not planning on fishing it, I would leave the origional parts in place. Since it is not a particularly scarce model, you could upgrade the spool, drag stack, undergear washer.. keep the origional and fish it without too much worry either.
John, I've already used Nevr-dull on the chrome, and I pulled the Armor-All out of the garage and applied it to the side plates... and they do look better than they did. Now to find a box, manual and grease tube for this reel... and why? Because I can! Maybe!
OK, another question has popped up. I already mentioned that there is a missing drag washer... two of the washers kind of disintegrated when I was pulling the reel apart... I replaced them... it was like putting a jig-saw puzzle together.... but the reel has been retired.... so would it be better to leave the pieced-together drag washers in place and leave it short one drag washer? It's already been modified from the original 3-stack to a 5-stack... I'm wondering if I shouldn't revert it back to a 3-stack since it's being retired to a shelf reel? But then I would need to find the thicker original drag washers... It doesn't seem that this should be a major problem... but it's the oldest reel I own, and as I said, it once belonged to my dad, so it holds a special place in my heart. Time to go to bed. I'll not lose any sleep over this.
I suspect you guys have found the heart of this old Long Beach 66. It is a late 1940's reel. Without documents, I do not believe you can pinpoint it much closer than the late 1940's. My way of doing a shelfie like this is to bring it back to as original as possible and just oil the innards. Stay with the original 3 stack drag and leather washers. That will keep it smooth running. Always best to stick with original engineering if you are not looking to build a tank. HT 100's and additional washers just add to complications in a reel like this. If you are going to fish it, then you do what is necessary, otherwise, restore it to how Otto built it................. ; :)
Thanks, Mike. Makes good sense.
Back in the day if you mentioned leopard skin to your penn rep, he may just show up with one !!
Wow, Ted. That really looks unique! I kinda like it.
QuoteBack in the day if you mentioned leopard skin to your penn rep, he may just show up with one !!
Ted,
You don't see those everyday. Great find!
Picked up these side plates on EBay for a song - I like the art on these left side plates - steel main (but not the deep gear) and pinion gears, no parts are numbered. Now to find the foot, side rings, posts and handle, to make it period-correct and it'll have a place on the shelf with the other Long Beaches. I want to assemble a set of 60, 65, 66, 67 and 68. Already have the last two. No boxes or anything for any of them.
NICE, Sid!!!!! I'm doing a pair of 65's next week I received as barter for Jiggy service.
Quote from: thorhammer on January 07, 2016, 09:10:38 PM
NICE, Sid!!!!! I'm doing a pair of 65's next week I received as barter for Jiggy service.
You know who to contact if you find any older parts you want to part with... :)
Quote from: sdlehr on January 07, 2016, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: thorhammer on January 07, 2016, 09:10:38 PM
NICE, Sid!!!!! I'm doing a pair of 65's next week I received as barter for Jiggy service.
You know who to contact if you find any older parts you want to part with... :)
Sid, all but the trim rings can be found on a Delmar for your LB 60. Period correct takes patience to find. The 2 toughest components are spool and seat IMO. Finding a non numbered spool in great condition is like hens teeth, but vigilance can pay off. Period correct seat would have no part number or a stamped yardage of 250.
Quote from: Max Doubt on January 08, 2016, 12:41:38 AM
Sid, all but the trim rings can be found on a Delmar for your LB 60. Period correct seat would have no part number or a stamped yardage of 250.
Thanks, Ted. That's really, really useful information. I have some 85 posts already, but no spool, so I didn't know they would be the right length! Spool, foot, handle and trim rings still on the list. I'm in the middle of a few projects and I think I'm going to spend some time making a spreadsheet in the next few days so I don't have to keep running upstairs (where the reels are) to try to remember what I need for which reel. Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it.
So, a hypothetical question: If I could (I can't) make a reel foot indistinguishable from the original, would it be unethical to place it on this reel? Or would it be OK as long as I disclosed that to any potential buyer (it's not for sale, but some day I'm sure it will be even if it is in my estate sale). That's another reason to keep a spreadsheet with a running inventory; so my wife will know the real values of my reels, not what I paid, or what I told her I paid ;D ;D ;D
Sid
SE FL
Patience is a must Sid.
Fully correct 40's era long beach 60 or 65 is worth about $50 in mint condition, so rebuilding one from that era with era correct parts is definitely a labor of love, and being patient will keep your costs down.
Here you go. Penn Long Beach No.60 NIB from 1940. Just as it left the factory, except for wrapping paper.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_5003_zpsilxt5afy.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_5005_zpsrmi3fe32.jpg)
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o52/BAP1-5Scale/100_5004_zpsbe9fwht7.jpg)
Beautiful 60 Oceanreels, I wish I had one like that in my collection, early Penn reels are difficult, if not impossible to find here in the U.K.
If anyone has one like this for sale, let me know.
Mike,
Now residing in Cornwall U.K.
Ex Jersey Channel Islands, Isle De la Manche, Bay of St. Malo.
QuoteHere you go. Penn Long Beach No.60 NIB from 1940. Just as it left the factory, except for wrapping paper.
Absolutely one of the best out there. Beautiful piece!
Beautiful complete package there.
Minty Fresh!
;D
Quote from: Max Doubt on January 08, 2016, 06:27:41 PM
Patience is a must Sid.
Not usually my strongest trait.... :o
Brian, that is a sweet reel for sure. There's no faking the parts from that era.
Aside from the 65 I picked up a few days back, I got a cheap, "broken, for parts only" Long Beach on EBay (turned out to be missing eccentric and A/R springs and is working fine now!). It turned out to be a 60 with numbered parts and the left side piece had replaced to the older artistic version, so neither the right nor left side plate identified the model. On closer examination of the side plates (one has seen more wear than the other) I noticed some differences in the artwork which I don't know if the Penn historians are aware of; I'm reading the Long Beach chapter of Mike's book tonight, but thought I'd include some photos that show the differences between the two. I felt like a kid with a Highlights for Children comparing the differences between two similar pictures. My macro lens makes it a lot easier to see. In particular, note the different collar and hat on the fisher and the style of the reel handle in these first two photos,
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah127/sdlehr/DSC_7176_zpsxrqy79qw.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/sdlehr/media/DSC_7176_zpsxrqy79qw.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah127/sdlehr/DSC_7174_zpslbvrhgxz.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/sdlehr/media/DSC_7174_zpslbvrhgxz.jpg.html)
Then compare where the tip of the rod intersects the clouds in these next two
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In these next two notice the difference in the design of the top of the light house
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And finally, look at the direction of the bird in front of the reel on these last two
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(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah127/sdlehr/DSC_7171_zps2qixidsl.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/sdlehr/media/DSC_7171_zps2qixidsl.jpg.html)
Clearly these side plates are not all the same. It would be absurd to assume that all Penn 60 or 65 left side plates came out of the same mold, but this highlights how minor differences between molds showed up to the careful observer. I don't know if this information is of any use to collectors. But I find it interesting as I learn the history of the Penn Reel Company. I thank Mike Cacioppo for his books which have greatly enhanced this interesting hobby for me. I look at little tiny differences in these things and think, "Oh, how cool is that". What have I become?
Sid
SE FL
Quote. I look at little tiny differences in these things and think, "Oh, how cool is that". What have I become?
You have become a collector. You are doomed to a future of noticing things that no one in their right mind cares about. There is no turning back once you have become a collector, you simply have to learn to live with it.
Good eye!
His hand is different and so is the position of the reel crank. It would take to many lifetimes to find them all.
Ron
I'm sure that Penn didn't pour one plate at a time. They were probably set up in gang molds that were all engraved by hand, so there would be differences between all of them. Today the engraving is done with CNC machines which can duplicate multiple items down to the finest detail. RUDY
Exactly.
To get the "whole" collection, you would have to identify how many plates Penn actually used. I don't even want to think about it. It does let us see the artistry of the old Penn masters though. Really cool stuff.
Ron
....but you're still not seeing everything.
............................................................look again and it's a completely different guy, hair, hat, sideburns, and the imposter is obviously the guy with 2 left hands ;D ;D
Now we will have to figure out how many engravers Penn employed since they opened for business & how many were artists & how many were hackers. :D :D ??? ??? ::) ::)
No one has mentioned the cigarette one of the guys is smoking. Dominick
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12512.0
Most of the graphic tail plate designs are here.
The tail plates were formed in moulds not individually engraved. The original moulds would have been engraved.
I think there is an old Penn factory photo of a machine in use where they are producing two tail and two head plates at the one time.
Another variation I've not seen before (but that means very little). It's a 66.
Quote from: sdlehr on January 07, 2016, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: thorhammer on January 07, 2016, 09:10:38 PM
NICE, Sid!!!!! I'm doing a pair of 65's next week I received as barter for Jiggy service.
You know who to contact if you find any older parts you want to part with... :)
Sid, noted!
QuoteAnother variation I've not seen before (but that means very little). It's a 66.
That is a very early non-marked reel. I believe that the early 66 or 67 reels were not marked. The circle where the model number usually is was left blank on purpose until correct marked plug mold were made. I have seen a few reels like this.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 13, 2016, 06:21:35 AM
QuoteAnother variation I've not seen before (but that means very little). It's a 66.
That is a very early non-marked reel. I believe that the early 66 or 67 reels were not marked. The circle where the model number usually is was left blank on purpose until correct marked plug mold were made. I have seen a few reels like this.
Thanks, Mike. I figured it was a flexibly-labeled mold from early on. It's on its way to me now, from that on-line auction site, for $25 including shipping!!
Hey Sid, I got to thinking and remembered I had this 65 spool, no numbers, NOS (was in the green box when I acquired it but the box, he gone). I never installed it and made a 65 - 3/0 Frankenpenn instead.
You likey?
Quote from: thorhammer on January 13, 2016, 09:43:40 PM
Hey Sid, I got to thinking and remembered I had this 65 spool, no numbers, NOS (was in the green box when I acquired it but the box, he gone). I never installed it and made a 65 - 3/0 Frankenpenn instead.
You likey?
Yes, me likey. PM me the $ number.
Sid
NC. These guys have been great to me as recently as three minutes ago (thanks Fred, and Daron last week) so in the spirit of the site pay forward. PM me your address and I'll get it out tomorrow.
John
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 13, 2016, 06:21:35 AM
QuoteAnother variation I've not seen before (but that means very little). It's a 66.
That is a very early non-marked reel. I believe that the early 66 or 67 reels were not marked. The circle where the model number usually is was left blank on purpose until correct marked plug mold were made. I have seen a few reels like this.
Mike, this is a 66. Are you saying 66
or 67, or 66
and 67? Because if its
or, I can confirm it's the 66.
Sid
Quote from: thorhammer on January 13, 2016, 09:56:25 PM
NC. These guys have been great to me as recently as three minutes ago (thanks Fred, and Daron last week) so in the spirit of the site pay forward. PM me your address and I'll get it out tomorrow.
John
Wow, thanks, John. Now I'm going to have to find something someone needs that I have. PM to be sent momentarily.
I'm feeling loved!
Sid
Sid, I've been on the site almost a year but dont keep a ton of parts and this is my first opp to help a member with a part, glad to do it. I tend to build reels out and put them on a stick ready to use. I've had that spool a decade, and it's been waiting patiently for its turn....all yours!
QuoteMike, this is a 66. Are you saying 66 or 67, or 66 and 67? Because if its or, I can confirm it's the 66.
Sid,
In the days of the introductions of the 66, 67 and 68, Penn used the side plates for any and all of those models. Physically, the head plates for the 66, 67 & 68 are all the same. So, early reels were sharing plates. Leaving the number off enabled the use of early head plates for any model. Now, that said, I feel that Penn used these blanked out number plates as repair plates. I do not think they were used on new reels. I used to have one; but I do not remember what I did with it and yours is only the second one I have ever seen. I have to look through my stuff to find mine. Mine was mounted to a early Long Beach 68.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 13, 2016, 11:30:00 PM
QuoteMike, this is a 66. Are you saying 66 or 67, or 66 and 67? Because if its or, I can confirm it's the 66.
Sid,
In the days of the introductions of the 66, 67 and 68, Penn used the side plates for any and all of those models. Physically, the head plates for the 66, 67 & 68 are all the same. So, early reels were sharing plates. Leaving the number off enabled the use of early head plates for any model. Now, that said, I feel that Penn used these blanked out number plates as repair plates. I do not think they were used on new reels. I used to have one; but I do not remember what I did with it and yours is only the second one I have ever seen. I have to look through my stuff to find mine. Mine was mounted to a early Long Beach 68.
Thanks, Mike. So 60 and 65 shared the same side plates, as did the 66, 67 and 68 (but different than the 60 and 65). I've been meaning to read your chapter on the Long Beach for a few weeks now. Tonight's the night. I know the 267 had a half frame on the bottom and a single post on top, but still don't know where the 259 fits into the series (I'm sure I'll learn that tonight). My interest in Long Beaches comes from the 68 that belonged to my dad that started me on this collecting thing. I just picked up a brown/black mottled (no-part numbers) 60 with matching plastic spool that arrived today. It was the colors that caught my eye.... I'll be posting photos soon, before and after cleaning, but I'm going to leave a lot of the patina on this one and just clean it up a little.... it's got character.
John, the addition of your spool to my 65 means that the only numbered part left on that reel will be the foot! Thanks again!
When I win the Powerball tonight you're all on my list!
Sid
SE FL
If there is a misnamed reel in the Penn catalog, it is the Penn 259. That reel has NOTHING to do with the other LongBeaches except the main gear is the same as a lot of other reels. It is really a 1/0 Senator that uses 500 parts instead of 501 parts. Nothing wrong with the reel, just named weird.
Ron
from the sunset side of Oahu
so... what makes a 'Long Beach' a Long Beach?
I have a NIB 267.
How is that related to a 60?
steve
The 267 and 268 are pretty much rebadged 4/0 black side Senators from a much newer time. The Longbeach was originally the 60 or 66 side plate (thus the matching main gear numbers) with different width frames. They were distinctly different from the surf reels (Squidders, Surfmasters etc.) and the Jigmasters. The big Longbeaches shared some of the guts with the black side Senator 4/0 but the side plates and gears were different and you couldn't get a 66 width 4/0 Senator (until Mr. Newell made the best thing since sliced bread.) A 259 is a slow Jigmaster that won't blow up. Which is cool, but it doesn't have anything to do with being a Longbeach.
Ron
Correct. A 259 is a slow Jigmaster and named a Live Bait Caster. It is one of my favorite Penn reels. I still fish with one. It is a great bottom fishing reel, lots of torque. Coincidently, the 259 is identical to a Jigmaster dimensionally. The 259's last year was 1958 and the Jigmaster was introduced in 1959. I do not think that was an accident.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 14, 2016, 06:12:09 AM. Coincidently, the 259 is identical to a Jigmaster dimensionally. The 259's last year was 1958 and the Jigmaster was introduced in 1959. I do not think that was an accident.
Interesting observation, good to know.
Sid
I had the day off today, and this was my project - A Penn 60 with mottled black/brown side plates and matching plastic spool. There are no numbered parts, and I picked this up on Ebay for $25 Buy It Now shipping included!! It arrived pretty dirty and dark
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah127/sdlehr/Long%20Beach%2060/DSC_7261_zpsxhz34qky.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/sdlehr/media/Long%20Beach%2060/DSC_7261_zpsxhz34qky.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah127/sdlehr/Long%20Beach%2060/DSC_7347_zpsvz2hviek.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/sdlehr/media/Long%20Beach%2060/DSC_7347_zpsvz2hviek.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah127/sdlehr/Long%20Beach%2060/DSC_7242_zpsgcrub5xg.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/sdlehr/media/Long%20Beach%2060/DSC_7242_zpsgcrub5xg.jpg.html)
And after cleaning the side plates with Simple Green I was left with this ugly color that didn't match the inside of the plates at all, so I know it wasn't the true color
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah127/sdlehr/Long%20Beach%2060/DSC_7272_zpss3gmh1ge.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/sdlehr/media/Long%20Beach%2060/DSC_7272_zpss3gmh1ge.jpg.html)
Pretty nasty, right? I know some say not to use Armor All on side plates because it can cause expansion of the bakelite and cracked side rings, but I wasn't about to leave it like this, and I didn't want to put anything on that would alter it from the original color (like shoe polish), and the side rings were a pretty loose fit, so I broke the rule and came up with this
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah127/sdlehr/Long%20Beach%2060/DSC_7354_zpsxp9nldy6.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/sdlehr/media/Long%20Beach%2060/DSC_7354_zpsxp9nldy6.jpg.html)
I'm interested in trying to date this as best as possible; It has no numbered parts, that puts it pre-1950. It has plastic spool, so it's during WWII or shortly after, so I figure it's a 1940's reel, and if anyone can narrow it down better than that I'm interested in how that can be done. Here's a few more pics of the clean-up
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I noticed the handle nut had this fluted (can't think of a better word to use) opening, and don't understand the rationale behind the design
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The eccentric lever has a coin-edge finish
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It ended up cleaning up pretty well - but the chrome, not so much...
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Can anyone date this any better than I have already? What clues am I missing? And considering I'm playing around with chrome plating, if I am able to do that well, would re-chroming enhance or diminish the value of this reel in a collection? If the goal is to return a reel to the condition it was in when it left the factory I would think a clean chrome job would be a good thing, but I never see it done, so I'm guessing there's more to this than my current understanding provides.... maybe it's just the expense of the chrome plating?
Sid
SE FL
The Light spool #60 & #65 were made 1946-48 .
Quote from: Superhook on January 15, 2016, 12:22:05 AM
The Light spool #60 & #65 were made 1946-48 .
Well, thank you very much! That narrows it down quite a bit! Was that in Mike's book? There's so much in those two books it's hard to keep it all straight. I knew it was during or immediately post-war because of the spool... at least I remembered that much.... ;D
I'd also like to know the year the 112H came out. It seems like it would be around the same time. I'm guessing someone at Penn said " Hey, lets put the 66 stand on the 65 and put these new 4:0/1 gears in it and dress it up like a Senator, that would be swell." And he, of course, would have been absolutely correct.
As a side note. Scott's now lists 66 stands as being frosted stainless steel, they come from the new 309. I'm guessing the SS HAS to be stronger than chromed brass. I'd say it is a great upgrade for $10.00
Ron
From the sunset side of Oahu
Sid,
The LS #60 & # 65's are mentioned in the 46-48 Penn catalogs.
Ray
Quote from: Superhook on January 15, 2016, 01:38:46 AM
Sid,
The LS #60 & # 65's are mentioned in the 46-48 Penn catalogs.
Ray
Thanks, Ray. My mind can't retain details like that... I guess I'll just have to strap Mike's books to my side....
Sid
Sid,
Ray is correct, my book has the Long Beach with the plastic spool listed in the summaries as just before the war, which I now believe is wrong. The 1946 through 1948 catalogs list the plastic spool as an Easy Cast spool and those reels were made in the late 1940's. The #11 Penn catalog was issued in two editions, when I wrote my book I did not realize there were two editions for 1946. When I got the second edition, I saw the plastic spool 1946 Long Beach with the correct price that matches the reel I have in the box. The box label does not call the spool the Easy Cast spool as the catalog does, the box label calls the spool the Lightweight Spool. The old time marketing names add a "Confusion Aspect" to things.
Live and Learn.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on January 15, 2016, 07:38:13 AM
Live and Learn
Be glad you can do this. I know plenty who seem unable.
Mike,
Penn could have had the LS #60 & #65's in the market before the catalogs. I think they had the white spools out and appearing in other reels besides the Long Beaches before the Black plastic spools .
Ray
Quote from: Superhook on January 15, 2016, 09:01:00 AM
Mike,
Penn could have had the LS #60 & #65's in the market before the catalogs. I think they had the white spools out and appearing in other reels besides the Long Beaches before the Black plastic spools .
Ray
Especially during the 3 years they produced no catalogs... which is the time frame we are discussing...
Sid
QuotePenn could have had the LS #60 & #65's in the market before the catalogs. I think they had the white spools out and appearing in other reels besides the Long Beaches before the Black plastic spools .
QuoteEspecially during the 3 years they produced no catalogs... which is the time frame we are discussing...
The ere here is just pre,, during and post WW II. Those years present documentation problems for all the production because of the restrictions the War Production Board placed on makers". Catalogs many times time did not reflect products. It is a good thing to hash these production questions out in the forums, that is how we discover things.
Quote from: thorhammer on January 13, 2016, 09:43:40 PM
Hey Sid, I got to thinking and remembered I had this 65 spool, no numbers, NOS (was in the green box when I acquired it but the box, he gone). I never installed it and made a 65 - 3/0 Frankenpenn instead.
You likey?
Thanks to John (Thorhammer) for this spool that I've installed on my Long Beach 65; it's the shiniest spool I've got!
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Good Work Sid,
That John is Good people. ;D
Learned from the best! :)
I really like the Long Beaches, especially the picture plates. Does anyone know if the 66 and 67 models ever left the factory with picture plates? I have a 68 with a picture plate, but all the 66's and 67's I've seen have had plain left side plates, wondering if they came along too late ?? It wouldn't be hard to create one, but I'm interested in how they came out of Philadelphia.
Sid
Hello Sid,
You can check this same thread to see photos of 66's with graphic tail plates on pages 2 & 8 . 67's on pages 6 & 9 .
History - The earliest were plain , then graphics and then back to plain.
Ray
Thanks, Ray. All these Long Beach models and years are still muddled together in my brain. I just re-read this entire thread and still don't have it all straight with respect to years and models. It did help a lot to lay out all my Long Beaches on my bench and line them up to observe sizes and spool capacities. I have 60, 65, 66, 67 and 68, still looking to see my first 61, 62 and 63. The 66 and 67 both have the right side plate without a number. Mike writes that these are early plates, but both reels with these plates came on reels with the older, rounded left side plates. There's no guarantee these non-numbered right side plates are original; Mike states that he thinks these were used as replacements (for factory repairs?).
Sid
Sid,
I believe you have my Penn Collectors Companion book (green book). If you read Chapter 6 (page 46), you may gain a bit more understanding about the Long Beach. That model has quite a few branches and easily becomes a confusing model to follow.
Best,
Mike C.
Looking to get some info on this long beach 60...doubt it's very old. My friend got it from his father in law who's been retired for a while. I'm gonna clean it up and he's planning to fish it as his nearshore bottom fishing reel.
QuoteLooking to get some info on this long beach 60...doubt it's very old. My friend got it from his father in law who's been retired for a while. I'm gonna clean it up and he's planning to fish it as his nearshore bottom fishing reel.
By the shape of the side plates, I would put this reel in the mid 1950's; but, some of the parts look to be updated. I do not think the spool and stand are original to the reel.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on April 13, 2016, 01:54:09 PM
QuoteLooking to get some info on this long beach 60...doubt it's very old. My friend got it from his father in law who's been retired for a while. I'm gonna clean it up and he's planning to fish it as his nearshore bottom fishing reel.
By the shape of the side plates, I would put this reel in the mid 1950's; but, some of the parts look to be updated. I do not think the spool and stand are original to the reel.
Didn't think it was that old. Insides are in great shape. Thanks for the info. It came in a somewhat vintage 3-Jays rod with wooden handle. My friend just wanted a rough idea what he's fishin with. Thank you. Much appreciated. I'll post better pictures after I clean it up.
Quote from: sdlehr on February 15, 2016, 04:38:56 PM
I really like the Long Beaches, especially the picture plates. Does anyone know if the 66 and 67 models ever left the factory with picture plates? I have a 68 with a picture plate, but all the 66's and 67's I've seen have had plain left side plates, wondering if they came along too late ?? It wouldn't be hard to create one, but I'm interested in how they came out of Philadelphia.
Sid
Just got a picture plate 66, and it has non-numbered parts!!!
Early 66 models were the first large Long Beach models and in their first year had plain sides. In a year or so of regular production all the large Long Beach models had picture plates. Plain and picture plates could be used on an of the 66, 67 or 68 models since all the tail plates are interchangeable.
I recently added two more Long Beach 60's to my modest collection. Thanks guys, you are a bad influence ;).
On the first reel the original spool is broken, so, I temporarily replaced it with an extra that I had lying around. If I'm not able to find a correct replacement spool I will glue the original one together. I believe all of the parts are correct/original since they are not numbered.
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The tail plate has the common fisherman scene.
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I think the reel foot with the rod clamp makes this 60 unusual. I've seen photos of only a handful of these.
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The second reel also appears to be all original. The reel foot is stamped "250 YDS". I haven't removed the line or cleaned it up, so, no telling what I'll find.
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This is the head plate.
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The plain tail plate has a waffle clicker.
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Even after gentle cleaning, most of my Long Beaches show a loss of chrome, pitting, and wear and I'm leaving them that way. They remind me of me; old and grizzled but they still work.
Long Live the Long Beach
George
I also bought two more last week. The Long Beach Variations go on and on.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on June 30, 2016, 12:51:23 AM
The Long Beach Variations go on and on.
Yes, and Michael got me hooked on them when he started this post.
Well...reading this thread too many times has resulted in my getting a pre-war Long Beach...so I guess I'm hooked. :D By using Mike's book to ID that pear shaped resin knob, I believe it's a '38 model.
I took her apart and the internals were a mess! Dried up grease from '38...sand...and one drag washer replaced with a#4-60 hard fiber spacer! :o I de-greased and cleaned all parts, re-greased the gears/yoke/eccentric, oiled the dog and bearings, installed a leather drag washer to match the other two, and all functions are slick as a ribbon.
On the outside the previous owner had already removed most of the grime...but I still gave all metal parts a vinegar soak to remove trace corrosion and stop any further action. There was one big drip of some sort on the face plate as seen in the first pic. It was stuck like chuck...and I thought for a few minutes it was going to be permenant. :'( After some picking with my thumbnail (an excellent non-scratching tool) I finally got whatever it was off there.
The other three photos show what I ended up with. I put the old linen line back on after reassembly, I think it looks cool. This reel wears her "genuine character" very well. 8)
QuoteWell...reading this thread too many times has resulted in my getting a pre-war Long Beach...so I guess I'm hooked. Cheesy By using Mike's book to ID that pear shaped resin knob, I believe it's a '38 model.
Glad to hear you are hooked. The more the merrier. Your vintage Long Beach find is interesting. As with many older Penn reels, identification seems to always bring variance. The Long Beach you found most definitely has a 1938 handle, what is curious is your reel has a 1939 logo. A 1938 and earlier Long Beach should have the early, double bar logo. The logo on your reel is a 1939 and after logo.
I would guess a late 1938 reel or a very early 1939 reel. Whenever this reel left the factory, it just goes to show that every time you think you know how Penn built their reels, one comes along that proves you wrong.
Mo, I've seen this reel somewhere before. ;) I'm glad it ended up in good hands. It cleaned up nicely, too.
Long Live the Long Beach,
George
Joe, the easiest way to find out whats available for Penn reels is to log on to Scott's parts list for the reel you are looking for. It will tell you what is available & what is not. Also check fleabay.
Joe, I will be curious to know if the modern trim rings fit the vintage plates. Sometimes they do and sometimes they do not. The only to know is to try the fit. Thanks!
Quote from: Reel 224 on August 17, 2016, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 17, 2016, 04:20:30 PM
Joe, I will be curious to know if the modern trim rings fit the vintage plates. Sometimes they do and sometimes they do not. The only to know is to try the fit. Thanks!
I will certainly let you know, and if I have to fit them I tell what I did.
Joe
We know the fix if the rings are too small, I'm interested in what you might come up with if they are too large.... OTOH, they would have to be considerably too large to be too large (if you know what I mean), so that may not be an issue....
Sid
All that new chrome and a crusty handle. Come on Joe finish it.
Nice job, Joe!
Best,
Fred
Nicely done Joe! that handle kills!!! I cannot resist picking up LB's; my first saltwater reel was a 60 on a montague rod in the 70's. Sooner or later I will get them together for pics.
John
Great Work Joe. ;)
Ted would probably know if anyone. My first frankenpenn ten years ago before I knew there was such a niche was a 65 Wide: 65 plates, 112 spool; 30-200 stand and jigmaster posts. Didn't play with guts though.
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Does anyone know if the Long Beach can be upgraded to a higher gear ratio then the 2-1, and is any reels gears interchangeable with the Long Beach?
I do not believe so. You would need to make the pinion gear smaller and I believe that would cause a problem with the fit of the spool. A Penn Senator 1/0 uses a Long Beach main gear and has a 3 to 1 gear ratio (50% faster than Long Beach 60); but, it uses a 140 pinion gear, which would never work with a Long Beach spool.
If you went back into the 1930's, there may be interchanges that could be done to speed up a Long Beach; but, since there are no part numbers available for those years, I think you would have to do a physical breakdown of the reels. Then interchange the gears sets until a faster ratio is accomplished or not.
Much easier to just go get a Jigmaster................ ;D
When the diameter of the pinion gear is reduced, then the main gear must be enlarged. There's not a lot of room in the Long Beach sideplate for a larger diameter main gear.
One of the few (if not the only) reels Penn made where gear ratios could be readily changed is the 349/349H. The 349 is a 2.3:1 ratio and the 349H is 3.25:1. They use the same head plate and the recessed area for the gears is enlarged accordingly to allow this.
George
I found this Long Beach 60 in a dumpster at a marina in San Pedro, CA. It looks exactly like George4741's posting back on page 13 (his was a 65 though) Pictured just as found, drags and everything else work well. Mottled side plates, plastic spool, no numbers. Very close to sdlehr's mottled 60 except a small difference in handle details. Based on what I've read here, probably made around 1949 or so?
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Quotefound this Long Beach 60 in a dumpster at a marina in San Pedro, CA. It looks exactly like George4741's posting back on page 13 (his was a 65 though) Pictured just as found, drags and everything else work well. Mottled side plates, plastic spool, no numbers. Very close to sdlehr's mottled 60 except a small difference in handle details. Based on what I've read here, probably made around 1949 or so?
Model 60 L.S.------------------Made somewhere between 1941 and 1947, of course omitting the war years (1943, 44 & 45).The handle style, plastic spool and model number in the logo make it fairly easy to date to the war era.
I have pretty much the same reel (except for the size) for sale right now online;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331951118255?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649
Quote from: Stephanovich on August 26, 2016, 07:30:50 PM
I found this Long Beach 60 in a dumpster at a marina in San Pedro, CA. It looks exactly like George4741's posting back on page 13 (his was a 65 though) Pictured just as found, drags and everything else work well. Mottled side plates, plastic spool, no numbers. Very close to sdlehr's mottled 60 except a small difference in handle details. Based on what I've read here, probably made around 1949 or so?
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Dumpster for a Penn ????? 30 lashes with a wet ugly stick says I. Sacrilege.
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Thanks Mike C. for your response, based on your knowledge my Model 60 L.S. was made either 1941,1942,1946, or 1947. By coincidence, I was born in Long Beach (CA) in 1946!!
QuoteThanks Mike C. for your response, based on your knowledge my Model 60 L.S. was made either 1941,1942,1946, or 1947. By coincidence, I was born in Long Beach (CA) in 1946!!
So you have a reel than can be dated to the year of your birth. You will never forget how old this reel is. Glad to help!
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Mike: Do you have any books left for sale? By the way I was born in 46 but on the east coast.
Yes Joe, I have some copies of the Blue book. Both books are available at the Whitefish Press.
http://www.whitefishpress.com/
I run a continuous listing on EBay for the Blue Book while my supplies last, no reasonable offer is refused.... ;) As soon as a listing ends. I place another listing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/331950262264?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649
Quote from: Stephanovich on August 26, 2016, 07:30:50 PM
I found this Long Beach 60 in a dumpster at a marina in San Pedro, CA. It looks exactly like George4741's posting back on page 13 (his was a 65 though) Pictured just as found, drags and everything else work well. Mottled side plates, plastic spool, no numbers. Very close to sdlehr's mottled 60 except a small difference in handle details. Based on what I've read here, probably made around 1949 or so?
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You have the nicer version of tailplate. My tailplate is the plain one without the fisherman scene. Do you plan on cleaning or restoring your reel? If so, we would enjoy seeing the photos.
Long Live the Long Beach,
George
What George said. Were me I'd put new metal on it. That's a nice looking piece.
John
That old Soldier needs brought back to life. I would dumpster dive for a reel of that quality and character any day of the week. ;D
QuoteI received my book on The Chronological History of Penn Reels By Michael Cacioppo today. Mike It's a great publication! I almost didn't want to open it for fear I was going to mess up the pages. It is thorough and very well written History of the early Penn reels. Thank you very much for authoring this book.
Thank you for the kind words Joe. Hope the book enhances your Penn hobby!
QuoteHope the book enhances your Penn hobby!
I've had my copy a week or two Joe...and I've read every page! I'll gar-0n-tee it will enhance your hobby! 8)
Picked up a 60 Long Beach the other day. I was looking for a project and this one was outwardly pretty rough.
Seller's photo and as it was when received.
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With the line stripped. Not as bad as it looked in the above picture but a lot of corrosion on the spool.
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Broke it down to the main three pieces and there wasn't much interior corrosion at all.
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Since the spool was so corroded I went ahead and wire-brushed the spool not worrying about scratches. Here it is with all the green grunge and corrosion removed. Nothing to show now but pitted brass. The spool is still sound though.
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I broke the right side plate down and ordered a new bridge with sleeve along with a new fiber washer and a new main gear along with a set of PENN HT-100 drags and metal washers. The old bridge with sleeve was in very good shape as was the main gear so I used them and installed the new fiber washer beneath the main gear and installed the new PENN HT-100 drag pack.
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Here it is again all put together. I ordered and got a new 29L-85 black, aluminum, spool, but decided not to use it and instead used the original spool - pitted as it was. All of the pitting is very smooth and I lathered it with PENN grease, wiped it off and it's ready to go. I did put a shiny, new, reel stand on it and I'm happy with the way it came out. It'll make a nice user. I'm thinking of using the 29L-85 spool on a PENN 85 I have.
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All parts ordered from Scott's Bait and Tackle. Thanks for your help.
Thanks to Alan for his PENN 111 tutorial.
Ed, it looks like a steel main gear which is tougher then the newer bronze one. Also next time that you have to remove green corrosion try soaking it in a bowl of white vinager for 15 minutes. Rudy
I used the old main gear and old bridge and sleeve. I will; however, keep the new bronze main gear along with the new bridge with sleeve. I always save parts. Thanks for the vinegar tip - I'll give it a go in the future.
Good work Ed.
I noticed that steel gear right away too. Glad you decided to use it.
I got this 268 in a package deal, but have to admit I do not know much about the Long Beach series, except it is an old line of reels and extremely varied. After researching this newer rendition of the LB, came away much impressed, it has a faster retrieve (2.5:1) and same drags as the 113 4/0 (black) Senator and capacity between the 113 4/0 and the 114 6/0 Senator.....with a half frame and aluminum spool this is a work horse..... Bill
The best I can tell, the 268 is a 113 with different side plates. I think the handles and gears are different also. Well, I guess that has always been the difference between the 68 and 113W. I haven't come across one but they look neat.
Ron
That 268 is an interesting reel, I see a top post is used on it. I'd like to see a few more pics if you could Bill.
Mo, I'm out of town at the moment but will post more on Wednesday....Bill
I've always been intrigued by the 267 and the 268. Quite interesting reels with a lot of possibilities.
Thanks Bill. In the meantime...I just have to show off this mint Long Beach 60 with non-numbered parts...a gift from Ted.(Maxed Out) Where does he find these jewels?? I took it apart to clean and lube the internals, now they are as immaculate as the outside. I'll cherish this one for sure.
WOW. Ted is a super technical resource, technician and all-around stand-up guy. That piece is fantastic; the amber knobs are my favorite vintage color.
John
That 60 is a "Primo" reel MO !!!! Very nice.
Beautiful Long Beach.
There is something haunted about Ted's reels. They have the Dorian Gray effect. In Ted's attic there is an ugly picture of each Penn model, every time he restores a reel, that attic picture of that model gets a little worse. ??? :-X
Quote from: Penn Chronology on October 21, 2016, 04:46:46 PM
There is something haunted about Ted's reels. They have the Dorian Gray effect. In Ted's attic there is an ugly picture of each Penn model, every time he restores a reel, that attic picture of that model gets a little worse. ??? :-X
I FOUND IT!! The Dorian Gray photo...hee hee! ;) :D ;D 8)
Quote from: mo65 on October 21, 2016, 05:58:54 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on October 21, 2016, 04:46:46 PM
There is something haunted about Ted's reels. They have the Dorian Gray effect. In Ted's attic there is an ugly picture of each Penn model, every time he restores a reel, that attic picture of that model gets a little worse. ??? :-X
I FOUND IT!! The Dorian Gray photo...hee hee! ;) :D ;D 8)
Lol..
;D ;D ;D ;D
Love it.
I was thinking more of Pirates of the Caribbean...BootStrap Bill :o
Bill just needs a bearing and Carbontex
You guys are scaring me. :D...I thought this was a "kid" friendly forum ;D ;D
....oh, I forgot, I already scared everyone first by exposing what's in my attic....aka, bats in the belfry ;) ;)
Nice reel Mo. The LB 60 will always be known as the prototype for every senator ever made. A 1936 9/0 (the first senator) is a long beach 60 blown up in size and added outer rings, rod clamp, & top post.
Ted
This Long Beach I just have to show off. This one is a Long Beach "through the ages", an assembly of some of Penn's coolest LB parts. This build started with the unobtanium stand...an original upgrade accessory offered in the early '40s. I told Ted I was going to put together a sweet reel around it and I think I nailed it! The scarce mottled plates are late '40s/early '50s. The ss spool, rings, and posts are from the '60s-'80s. Last but not least, I used a Convertable handle from the '50s, another one of Penn's early upgrades. This one may be my new favorite 'Beach! 8)
Very nice Mo and without a doubt it should be shown off. Its a beauty an unobtanium plus!
...............Lou
QuoteThis Long Beach I just have to show off. This one is a Long Beach "through the ages", an assembly of some of Penn's coolest LB parts. This build started with the unobtanium stand...an original upgrade accessory offered in the early 40s. I told Ted I was going to put together a sweet reel around it and I think I nailed it! The scarce mottled plates are late 40s/early 50s. The ss spool, rings, and posts are from the 60s. Last but not least, I used a Convertable handle from the 50s, another one of Penn's early upgrades. This one may be my new favorite 'Beach! Cool
Love what you did with this reel. Especially the mottled plates, that is the """"Piece De Resistance"""". This is fun aspect of Penn reels.
Great Job!!!!
Outstanding Mo......that would manke anyone proud.....Bill
I don't think this Long Beach 68 is very old. Leastways looking at the handle knob.
Does anyone know when this newer type of handle was introduced?
Got this and a Long Beach 6-1/2' MH 20lb to 40lb rod in a trade for a couple of cheap pocketknives from a friend. He never fished it, he found it at an auction. There is one screw missing.
I'm going to guess mid-late 90's, as it has rubber knob but not yet the 268 frame. very clean find though. I love these guys. just wish drags were bigger for all that line- the spool you have there holds 600 yards of 30 mono or better with today's thinner diameter.
Can you guys tell me when the tailplate scenes were discontinued on the ling beach reels?
That's a great question, when did they start putting them on too?
Quote from: 1badf350 on August 03, 2018, 12:30:50 PM
Can you guys tell me when the tailplate scenes were discontinued on the ling beach reels?
From what I've gathered...engraved tail plates on LBs started to disappear in the early '50s.
Quote from: Swami805 on August 03, 2018, 12:35:41 PM
That's a great question, when did they start putting them on too?
It looks like about 1938.
I fugure if anyone knew the answer it would be Mo! Thanks!
Just picked this up at a yard sale for $5 well my sister did for me. I will have it in hand in a couple of days.
Pretty cool the way the dirt accents the tail-plate picture. I've seen a few where the picture is almost worn off the plate, that'n looks to be in great shape.
Hard to tell the condition from pics. I figured for the price I couldn't go wrong. The chrome looks rough but the plate didn't look bad so I told her to get it.
The chrome is trashed. The plates are good and the handle is a nice color. I am happy for what it cost. I am guessing it's late 40s with no parts numbers the tail plate and handle designe.
sure cleaned up nicely, steal at 5 bucks. good looking out by your sister
Classic style from the 1940's. In the future these will surly fade out of the market. Good to save one like this.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 14, 2018, 05:58:09 AM
Classic style from the 1940's. In the future these will surly fade out of the market. Good to save one like this.
thank you
In my eyes, that reel is beautiful. I am a sucker for picture tail plates and have bought some of my Penns for the tail plate alone. This one reminds me of a 160 I found recently.
cheers
Basto
Quote from: DesertCatRat on January 28, 2015, 12:53:52 AM
Am new here,terrible with these tech computers, but I can fish,so this is my long beach pat pending ,no parts #on any thing ,everything seems right less the handle and nut,it may be a pflueger handle missing hex nut,believe spool is 1 5/8, got at garage sale in Palm springs of all places,works well,but has been used,I did not go crazy restoring it,just opened n lubed
I find this one very interesting. (Pic posted below courtesy of DesertCatRat from page 9) I have two reels with Duvalls stickers. A 12/0 and a Live bait caster. I asked about this store over on Bloddydecks and this is the one response I got from member Deep Water Sail:
QuoteI was 10 years old in 1946 and Duvalls was a few blocks from my home
on Vermont Ave and 45th street on the corner a few blocks below the
Los Angeles Colisium. They sold fishing tackle and repaired outboard
engines. The owner was Mr Duvall and his son-in-law. I would hang out
after school in the store because I loved to fish and listen to the salty
stories. A few years later both of us moved away, the neighborhood
was starting to run down.This area was known as the killing fields, South
Central Los Angeles. I always wondered what happened to Mr Duvall
because he was very kind to me. Great memories.
-Deep Water Sailor
This is my live bait caster with Duval's sticker
Something I noticed about Tbrom's LB 60...the tailplate appears to be dark brown...not black. Until now I've only seen those plates in black or occasionally mottled(brown with black speckles). Like Chris, I like those dealer stickers too, just cool nostalgia. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on September 06, 2018, 10:58:51 PM
Something I noticed about Tbrom's LB 60...the tailplate appears to be dark brown...not black. Until now I've only seen those plates in black or occasionally mottled(brown with black speckles)8)
Mo it is dark brown. The other side plate is black. I have the reel in my hands and didn't pick up on the color difference and probably never would have and you noticed it in a pic! Good eye.
Tim
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This is my live bait caster with Duval's sticker
Duvall's was around for many years. I do not know much about it but I do know it goes way back. Here is a card from that shop. Their early Penn Trade Reels should have a red knob.
The 259 is one of my favourite Penns. When I received mine , it was as smooth as butter but had some surface corrosion on the rings and stand, so I got some new parts for it and it rejected them. Did not want to operate smoothly at all. I put the original parts back and it was happy again.
This has happened to me with 155 also. I just leave them alone now unless its a gear sleeve or dog ......."if it aint broke, don't fix it"
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I just leave them alone now unless its a gear sleeve or dog ......."if it aint broke, don't fix it"
That is perfect. Sometimes we feel that a modern upgrade will fit and sometimes it does; but, more often than not, a reel made in the 1930's, even though the Model Name is the same, has enough minor differences to make the difference major.
I picked up this Long Beach 65LS for 30 bucks and was stoked...ya don't see many light spooled 65s listed. Plastic spooled 60s are plentiful, but the 65s show up a lot less. Then about an hour later I was surfing fleabay for more LB parts and I see another 65LS for $14.50 shipped! Talk about a bubble buster...sheesh! Oh well...mine was in a bit better condition. The plates are sharp and shiny, all parts are correct, and it even has the "accessory" clamping stand. 8)
That's a nice find! Has Ted pm'd you an offer yet, LOL.
Quote from: thorhammer on February 02, 2019, 03:54:13 PM
That's a nice find! Has Ted pm'd you an offer yet, LOL.
Hee hee...I don't think he will...he has a boxed 65LS that makes mine look like kid stuff! :D
Very nice Mo!
Here's a Long Beach I've been wanting for ages. They don't come along every day, don't last long, and I usually miss them. I got this LB 62(150yd. version) as a birthday gift...sweet!! It's got a lot of character, but mint examples of this one are scarce. It's all complete and correct though, and it has the only picture tail plate I didn't have an example of. 8)
Wow thats a sweet reel Mo!
Nice one, Mo ! And, Happy Birthday !!
Very very nice indeed!
Greg
Happy birthday Mo,
That's a ripper of a reel ! great pressy.
Col
So is it between a 60 and 65 in width? Nice find, I'm glad you're happy with it.
Ron Jones
Quote from: Ron Jones on May 27, 2019, 11:05:11 PM
So is it between a 60 and 65 in width? Nice find, I'm glad you're happy with it.
Ron Jones
Hi Ron,
It's actually more narrow than a LB 60. It appears to be the same width as a 501 Jiggy...and the plates are the same size as the Jiggy too! It's smaller all around than the LB 60/65 family. The handle is smaller too, sort of like an early Beachmaster 160 handle.
Thanks everyone for the well wishes. See this thread for photos and info on the "little" Long Beach reels...the LB 61, 62, and 63. 8) https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17597.0
Very nice!
Happy birthday, young man!
First off, Happy Birthday Mo!
Second, it pays to have nice friends who collect Penn reels. ;)
Lastly, I love the LB's smaller than the 60, and they are much harder to come by. Yours has the more difficult to find tail plate which adds in the cool factor.
Nice one to add to the collection. Enjoy her Mo.
Best,
Dom
So, this is the first 501! I am slowly but surely trying to put the creation of Penn reels in my mind. It works sort of like Magnum rifles. I am reasonably certain that the 404 Jeffrey and the 375 H&H originally had the same rim diameter. The 404 is a Nitro round made for a bolt gun and H&H came up with a rim as a sales gimmick; or at least that's the way I've put it together. There is always a pattern of why, and I am enjoying figuring out Penn's.
Ron Jones
I believe the H & H is a belted cartrige for a bolt action rifle and the Jeffery cartriges were designed with a rim for double rifles for dangerous game. Rudy
Nice little reel Mo, enjoy it! ...Happy Birthday...
Quote from: RowdyW on May 28, 2019, 04:51:33 AM
I believe the H & H is a belted cartrige for a bolt action rifle and the Jeffery cartriges were designed with a rim for double rifles for dangerous game. Rudy
There are rimmed Jeffery cases, but the 404 and others based on it are a rebated rim case. Today, the cases use different shell holders, but if you look at original drawings, that probably wasn't the case. Similar to the first model 70 375s, they couldn't load a lot of European ammunition because they were chambered with reamers using outdated drawings. That is one advantage of CAD and shared files, it is way harder to not use the correct specifications. Of course when you don't, you feel like an even bigger idiot.
Back to the old LongBeaches, was there a 99 sized LongBeach that used standard gearing?
Hello everyone,
There is an overwhelming amount of GREAT info here!! My head is spinning.
I recently found six (6) of my grandpa's old Penns. Five of them are Long Beaches, two 60's, a 65, 66, and 67. The sixth reel is a Peer 109.
They all seem to be a decent condition, at least they are mechanically sound. I would love to clean them up, grease and oil, put some new drags and fish them.
Here are some pics of the 67
pics of the 66
Pics of the 65
One of the 60's
The other 60
That's a nice little stash of LBs John. I enhanced the color a bit on your LB 60 photo so you could see it has the "mottled" brown/black side plates, something less common on the 'beaches. It appears to be mid-40s period correct with the non-numbered parts, plastic spool, and smooth counter weight on the handle arm. Enjoy them! 8)
Nice group, John ! I wish I had one with the "mottled" look....all of mine are the "black" ones.
John, your grandpa had good taste. Good brace of Long Beaches. Looks like your missing some stand screws on the 67.....Let me look when I get home, I may have some laying around I can send you N/C....Bill
Very cool mottled long beach,,mo,,,,,,,, ;D
Great reels there John, thanks for showing them.
Mo, great eye !! I didn't pick that up, it sure does make that Longbeach that tad more special....
Col
Quote from: Bill B (Tarfu) on October 15, 2019, 06:35:57 PM
John, your grandpa had good taste. Good brace of Long Beaches. Looks like your missing some stand screws on the 67.....Let me look when I get home, I may have some laying around I can send you N/C....Bill
WOW!! Thank you so much for the offer. That would be amazing. There is a small bag with a few extra cross bars, the real seat clamp for the 66 and the wrenches. I'm pretty sure those screws aren't in there though.
I already have penn reel grease, reel x oil, and cleaning supplies. I will be ordering all new drags from mystic for all of them. Any thoughts on application ideas and rods to pair them with? I build all my own rods.
Nice collection of reels thanks for showing us them John
Kim
Quote from: OlDirtyJohn on October 17, 2019, 04:49:00 AM
I already have penn reel grease, reel x oil, and cleaning supplies. I will be ordering all new drags from mystic for all of them. Any thoughts on application ideas and rods to pair them with? I build all my own rods.
Being low gear, the LB's are generally best suited in bottom fishing or trolling applications- however I'm certain innumerable blues, sea bass and stripers have been diamond jigged with them also. As far as rods, depends if you want to fish or display, maybe...if you can find vintage Magnaflex, Senator, etc., wooden handled rods they look cool as paired, and still fish, if a bit heavy. If you build your own, just build to your application- your jigger wont be as HD as a trolling rod- the current ugly stick tiger jigging rod looks a bit retro and may work great with a 60 with the amber handle. Note, if you fish these, fill the spool up about a third with dacron or braid if you plan on mono. The three piece spools may separate under tension if spooled fully with mono.
best luck, show us what rods you come up with!
John