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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Penn Chronology on December 18, 2014, 07:58:30 PM



Title: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 18, 2014, 07:58:30 PM
Finding all the Penn picture tail plates is not easy. There are so many. I will start this thread with the standard models and leave the big game models for another day or for anyone that feels they want to add them.

First, this is how is all began in 1934. The first tail plates made by Penn were flat, plain and mostly Black.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4511/23680788168_2522c9da89_z.jpg)

This is a tail plate for a 1934 Sea Hawk. In the beginning, all the Penn models were like this. Then in the late 1930's, Penn added a bit of flair to their reels.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4477/37274805170_79e15cbc30_z.jpg)

This is a 1938 Sea Hawk. All of the plates I mention are on the models I found them on. That is not exclusive, the same pictures were used on other models at times.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4488/23680858058_03b9a8098b_z.jpg)

This is one of the harder to find plates. This one is on a 1939 Anglesea model.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4499/36863960713_2aaed08cc9_z.jpg)

Here is a common scene found on a hard to find reel, the 1939 Bay Side. This scene is also used on many Long Beach models.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4487/36864013703_c025f01e69_z.jpg)

This is a 1939 Model 170. These #170 models are rare but this tail plate was later used on the common Beach Master Model 155

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4471/37274935640_6060841eb0_z.jpg)

Penn made most of their reels in small 100 and 150 yard sizes and this was the picture plate that was used on the small models.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4465/23681035798_0bb12985bc_z.jpg)

Here is a 1939 Sea Hawk. This picture I believe is exclusive to this model.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4469/36823640674_8470c1d0ec_z.jpg)

This the 1939 Silver Beach model 97. This is the parent reel of the later Model 99 Silver Beach.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4460/23681123108_86f720183b_z.jpg)

I suspect there are many members familiar with this old Surfmaster model.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4508/23681148698_34a4d4d504_z.jpg)

And the classic Squidder that kept its picture plate throughout its life span

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4450/37275162210_7c3d673f75_z.jpg)

And now we are growing and I will stop here. This is the large Long Beach model 66, 67 and 68 picture plate used on the first generation molds of these reels.

                  I am sure I missed some plates and I did not even touch on the Big Game reels that have their own picture plates. I hope there are some other to discover.



Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Superhook on December 19, 2014, 12:38:09 AM
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/2492.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/2492.jpg.html)

1951 #249 Angler



Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 19, 2014, 12:42:24 AM
That 249 also goes back to the pre-war era.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Superhook on December 19, 2014, 12:52:29 AM

(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/100_0033.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/100_0033.jpg.html)

1940 Long Beach DeLuxe


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Superhook on December 19, 2014, 12:58:25 AM
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/KGrHqYOKkQE5VFdmcQjBOeP5lhU2g60_12.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/KGrHqYOKkQE5VFdmcQjBOeP5lhU2g60_12.jpg.html)

1939 #49 . Note waffle clicker



Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Superhook on December 19, 2014, 01:04:34 AM
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/2591940sp7.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/2591940sp7.jpg.html)

 1949 #259 Live Bait Caster




Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 19, 2014, 05:43:11 AM
Great Photos Mike and Superhook! ;D


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 19, 2014, 08:48:31 AM
               Oh yes, this is getting good. Now the next step to include in this historical picture study is to decide if each picture is a picture of a real location and what that location is. Obviously, some of the photos may be different angles of the same location but I suspect, Penn based their side plate art on real world locations.
               I believe that some of the Penn catalog cover surf fisherman photos were taken at Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. Some of the picture plates may be based on the same location, but that is a guess.



               


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: txangler81 on January 15, 2015, 07:17:12 PM
I love the picture plates what models had them?


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 15, 2015, 09:43:31 PM
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I love the picture plates what models had them?

Pre WW II from about 1936 to 1942 I would say all Penn models had some kind of picture plate except for the lowest priced models like the Penn 14 and 15.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: txangler81 on January 17, 2015, 10:08:09 PM
I found this on ebay it has a real unusual handle. It looks like a very early wood know but the handle it self looks home made. What do you guys think.

Dustin

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181638524738?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Superhook on January 17, 2015, 11:16:08 PM


The handle blade is an over-sized homemade aluminium piece with no safety screw hole. The biggest handle blade Penn made with a counterweight was on the 10/0-12/0 Senators .


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Maxed Out on January 17, 2015, 11:20:26 PM
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I love the picture plates what models had them?

Pre WW II from about 1936 to 1942 I would say all Penn models had some kind of picture plate except for the lowest priced models like the Penn 14 and 15.


   There are models other than senators that continued into the 50's with picture plates. The baymaster series 155, 160, 165, 180 & 190.....by the mid 50's all the baymasters went to a plain tail plate :(.... I love those small reels.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 18, 2015, 10:31:26 PM
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There are models other than senators that continued into the 50's with picture plates. The baymaster series 155, 160, 165, 180 & 190.....by the mid 50's all the baymasters went to a plain tail plate Sad.... I love those small reels.

Those were all very popular reels but you forgot the best one of the group by collectible standards:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4471/37277340160_4d3daf9d42_b.jpg)

               This ugly duckling of all the Light Tackle models is actually the only one that will bring hefty prices.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4508/37277363860_fc1d9923a4_b.jpg)

                The 170 is the model that is always at the bottom of the reel bucket and is passed by many collectors until it is pointed out.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4490/37277399950_421d7eb6e8_b.jpg)

                 The same picture plate as all the other models you mentioned.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4486/37487909086_d8f5180c1b_b.jpg)
                Dimensionally, the 170 was the same size as the Model 160 or 165. It was the Plain Jane of all the Light Tackle reels, the absolute most unpopular of the bunch in terms of a fishing tool and the one out of the group of Light Tackle Reels that is in the highest demand in today's collectible market because it was such a terrible seller that very few are around.

GO FIGURE???


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: basto on February 02, 2015, 10:15:06 PM
I wonder if this one will become a collector piece because the artist put the A in SENATOR back to front.
The upstroke is always the thin one.
Basto(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/SIX_zpshboe4rxt.png)


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 02, 2015, 11:11:08 PM
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I wonder if this one will become a collector piece because the artist put the A in SENATOR back to front.
The upstroke is always the thin one.

I wish I could tell you that is rare but it is not. I have a first gen 10/O and a first gen 12/O and they are both the same as yours. I believe that is the normal way all the early molds were.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: basto on February 03, 2015, 02:32:05 AM
These are correct.
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/NUMBER%204%20_zpsmhcltxkv.png)(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/FIVE_zpskxw2vjlq.png)
I must say that I thoroughly enjoy your posts and am very grateful for them.
best regards
Basto


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: George4741 on March 03, 2015, 06:37:18 AM
The tailplate on a Seagate:  

Mike, since the Seagate is essentially a Long Beach 60, do some of those reels also have this tailplate?
George




Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 03, 2015, 08:49:30 AM
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The tailplate on a Seagate: 



Mike, since the Seagate is essentially a Long Beach 60, do some of those reels also have this tailplate?
George


The Sea Gate is one of those reels that can have a few different tail plates. It is a transitional reel in terms of having differences that do not affect performance. You will find some with waffle type clicker button, some with hexagon shaped buttons and some with the standard Hershey kiss button. The same goes for the pictures or type of design on the tail plate. What Penn had on the parts shelf that fit, could wind up on a Sea Gate. It was a reel that was initially offered to satisfy commercial accounts who's criteria was full featured functionality at the lowest price possible. Sea Gates are pretty much a mix and match hybrid of the Long Beach. I find them an interesting reel because of the many differences that are wearing the same logo in such a short model life span.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Dominick on March 03, 2015, 04:34:46 PM
Mike, All,  I like the subject although I am having a hard time getting the details on the reels clear.  So here is my contribution.  This is like the Sunday cartoons "Find the Differences in the Pictures."  They look the same but there are subtle differences.  Dominick



Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 03, 2015, 05:07:29 PM
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Mike, All,  I like the subject although I am having a hard time getting the details on the reels clear.  So here is my contribution.  This is like the Sunday cartoons "Find the Differences in the Pictures."  They look the same but there are subtle differences.  Dominick


Yes, there are differences from plate to plate. Not all the mold cavities were the same, even on the same model. You will find things on many reels that will make you think your eyes are out of focus, happen to me all the time. Your photo could show even bigger differences because you are comparing the pictures  from two different models. Back in the 1930's and 1940's, these mold cavities were probably hand engraved, I say probably because I cannot document that yet. So subtle differences is the norm rather than the oddity.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Superhook on March 03, 2015, 07:07:47 PM

(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/Teds%20Long%20Beaches.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/Teds%20Long%20Beaches.jpg.html)
Ted wanted to share this unusual brown and black speckled tail plate as well as the usual black graphics seen on a 1940's Long Beach. NB the graphics is not on the speckled plate.




Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 03, 2015, 09:06:44 PM
It is interesting to study the original lettering and molded in designs. It is an example of hand work. If these parts molds would have been CNC created, every one would be exactly the same.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Maxed Out on March 09, 2015, 07:11:45 PM
Well I was waiting for someone else to notice the defect in the brown plate, but to no avail. Not sure if it was a test mold or what, but the lettering on the standard black plate is much bolder than the lettering on the brown plate..........and another reason this thin lettered design likely never went into production was they Mis-spelled "Phila" :o. Last time I checked Phiia isn't even a word.  ;D


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tightlines667 on March 09, 2015, 07:16:27 PM
Well I was waiting for someone else to notice the defect in the brown plate, but to no avail. Not sure if it was a test mold or what, but the lettering on the standard black plate is much bolder than the lettering on the brown plate..........and another reason this thin lettered plate never went into production was they Mis-spelled "Phila" :o. Last time I checked Phiia isn't even a word.  ;D

OOOOO....

WELL...

WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT

I see it now :)


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Alto Mare on March 09, 2015, 07:21:44 PM
Unbelievable! I would have never caught that.
Don't drop that reel, it might be worth quite a bit.
Amazing...
Sal


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 09, 2015, 11:31:01 PM
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Well I was waiting for someone else to notice the defect in the brown plate, but to no avail. Not sure if it was a test mold or what, but the lettering on the standard black plate is much bolder than the lettering on the brown plate..........and another reason this thin lettered design likely never went into production was they Mis-spelled "Phila" Shocked. Last time I checked Phiia isn't even a word.  Grin

Oh No! Not again! This is another one of the those End of Day reels. Ted, please stop finding all these Abbey Normal reels ??? ??? ??? ???



Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: day0ne on March 18, 2015, 03:40:59 PM
I have a question about some 113H left plates. I have one with fish, waves and a fishing boat. I have several with a fish and waves, no boat, and a bunch with just the fish, no waves, no boat. Does anyone know the approx. age and/or the rarity of the different plates? Thanks


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 18, 2015, 04:00:46 PM
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I have a question about some 113H left plates. I have one with fish, waves and a fishing boat. I have several with a fish and waves, no boat, and a bunch with just the fish, bo waves, no boat. Does anyone know the approx. age and/or the rarity of the different plates? Thanks

I believe the ones with the fish and boat scene are the earliest 113's. Then the design changed to a fish with water, probably around the 1960's and around the 1980's it became just a fish. My dating is approximate. As far as value, the type of tail plate picture is only part of what makes up value and a very small part. The very early pre-WW II 113's can reach values up to $400 to $500 depending on the condition of the reel and the box it is in. Most 113's, used and out of the box but in clean and normally operating condition will bring about $50 to $75, no matter what design is on the tail plate. IMHO


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 18, 2015, 08:29:44 PM
I have a 113H and a 114H with the Boat. These are the only ones I have with that scene.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tightlines667 on July 11, 2015, 08:58:23 PM
I have a LongBeach question for someone 'in the know'. 

I recently came accross a model 67 that appears to be non-numbered, saltwater stand (possibly w/"500 yds" yardage marked), and no picture tailplate.  It has a torpedo knob with a tall 'slug' counterweight.  The nonnumbered parts along with handle knob counterweight suggest late 40s.  But I thought stand yardages were discontinued post 1942, and the first generation larger Longbeaches (66,67,68) had a picture tailplate mold.  What year did the picture tailplates dissapear?

Also, I wonder if this thread, and "Penn Chronoligical History Book"...

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12847.0

...can be moved to the "Fishing Antiques and Collectables" section?





Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 11, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
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I recently came accross a model 67 that appears to be non-numbered, saltwater stand (possibly w/"500 yds" yardage marked), and no picture tailplate.  It has a torpedo knob with a tall 'slug' counterweight.  The nonnumbered parts along with handle knob counterweight suggest late 40s.  But I thought stand yardages were discontinued post 1942, and the first generation larger Longbeaches (66,67,68) had a picture tailplate mold.  What year did the picture tailplates dissapear?

John,

I would say you have a 1939 Long Beach 67. The plain tail plate is the sign of a very early large Long Beach. It is impossible to say when exactly Penn transitioned away from line capacity numbered stands, especially with reels like the large Long Beach models. I would think you are correct in saying the plain, unstamped stands were used in the late 1940's, right before they were stamped with part numbers. I have one each of the early Long Beach models, the newest one has a plain, unstamped stand, a picture tail plate and a Hershey kiss clicker button. More than likely a 1948 or 49 reel. Line capacity stampings are pre-war.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tightlines667 on July 11, 2015, 11:01:07 PM
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I recently came accross a model 67 that appears to be non-numbered, saltwater stand (possibly w/"500 yds" yardage marked), and no picture tailplate.  It has a torpedo knob with a tall 'slug' counterweight.  The nonnumbered parts along with handle knob counterweight suggest late 40s.  But I thought stand yardages were discontinued post 1942, and the first generation larger Longbeaches (66,67,68) had a picture tailplate mold.  What year did the picture tailplates dissapear?

John,

I would say you have a 1939 Long Beach 67. The plain tail plate is the sign of a very early large Long Beach. It is impossible to say when exactly Penn transitioned away from line capacity numbered stands, especially with reels like the large Long Beach models. I would think you are correct in saying the plain, unstamped stands were used in the late 1940's, right before they were stamped with part numbers. I have one each of the early Long Beach models, the newest one has a plain, unstamped stand, a picture tail plate and a Hershey kiss clicker button. More than likely a 1948 or 49 reel. Line capacity stampings are pre-war.

Mike,

Thanks for the quick and informative response.  Still not sure when Penn transitioned away from the pictured tailplates on the LB though?

Regarding my recent LB 67 aquisition, I may have had some unconfirmed or misinformation in the post.  Not sure about the stand, and I neglected to mention it has the more modern headplate logo with the model number.  I
should recieve the reel by week's end, and can post pictures or at least confirm facts at that time, if anyone is interested.  I figured the reel must be worth the $17 I paid :)

http://m.ebay.com/itm/181799492468


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 12, 2015, 08:27:04 AM
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Still not sure when Penn transitioned away from the pictured tailplates on the LB though?

Penn transitioned away from the picture tail plates in 1952 with the Long Beach style change:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4478/37488223516_3303f18f0b_b.jpg)

A new head plate and logo design was brought in with the advent of part numbers:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4498/37536137481_2053b86026_b.jpg)


(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4498/37536137481_2053b86026_b.jpg)
I would say the Long Beach you bought on EBay is a late 1940's or even a 1950 model.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Maxed Out on July 12, 2015, 08:39:02 AM
 John, as near as I can tell, the larger long beach reels stopped using picture tail plates in the very early 1950's. This was same time frame when Penn also stopped using engraved tail plates on the long beach 60 & 65, and also redesigned both sideplates.

 Just after the war, Penn was still dealing with raw material shortages, and during those first couple years following WWII, the long beach 60 and 65 had plastic spools as standard equipment and metal spool was $1.00 extra. Those plastic spools had considerably larger arbor, which in turn meant those reels had smaller line capacities. The LB 60 went from 250yd reel, to a 200yd reel (catalog 11), and the LB 65 went from 300yd reel, to a 250yd reel... so penn stopped stamping yardages on the seat, likely to prevent confusion, and Penn also knew that as soon as the raw material shortage ended, the 60 & 65 would return to metal spools, which in turn would put those 2 reels back to their original capacities of 250 & 300.

  I know your question was about the larger long beach models, but it is the story behind the smaller yardage LB reels that points to one of the reasons Penn removed yardage stamping from almost every reel just after WWII       

   In the 30's you had to look at the yardage stamp to determine the model number, but that was no longer needed when Penn began putting the model number in with the logo on the head plate.


 Without seeing your reel, it is tough to date it. It could be an earlier reel with a replacement tail plate. Back then when clickers went bad, replacing the tail plate was the only cure, and also same result if a sideplate was broken.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tightlines667 on July 15, 2015, 08:30:18 PM
Got my no. 67 in the mail today.  It actually has the expected picture tailplate (just not very visable w/o the right lighting).  There are no visable part numbers, the spool arbor is drilled, and the drag is externally accessable.  I would hesitantly date it to post war, pre 1952.  I don't think it can be a 1942 reel (w/the incorre t handle) given the stand has no visable yardage stamp.  Regardless, I had been looking for a nonnumbered 67, and 68 to ad to my collection, and this fits the ticket.  Always open to words of wisdom from those more learned members.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 15, 2015, 09:18:25 PM
John,

In my humble opinion, it is a late 1940's reel.

Mike C.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tightlines667 on July 15, 2015, 09:30:25 PM
John,

In my humble opinion, it is a late 1940's reel.

Mike C.

Thanks Mike!


Thanks Mike!

Well acording to your published price guide it is worth:
-$40-$80 if it's pre-1950 (1946/47/48/49)
Or:
-$30-$60 for a 1950
-$25-$50 for a 1951-57

Guess thats $17 well spent ;)


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 27, 2015, 09:31:26 PM
I'm proud of this one Mike. I found it on my regular troll.
I don't think the stand is correct, but that's OK. $30 was a bargain in my book.
I am always looking for these old picture plates. I'm just not willing to give four figures for one. ;)
For the money I spent on this one, I think I did good. Other than that tiny scratch on the bottom left of the plate. Its pretty much perfect.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tightlines667 on July 27, 2015, 09:36:20 PM
Nice reel Daron.  Does that have yardage marked on the stand?  Or do you know the length of the posts?  The tailplate is definately prewar with that waffle clicker.  May have a late 40s handle assembly, and 1950s stand (numbered)?  The tailplate is the earliest picture plate on this model.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 27, 2015, 10:03:01 PM
The stand is numbered John. 30-66. That's why I don't think its original.
The posts are 2 and 1/8" long. I knew it was old, just because it had the logo "Long Beach" Pat. No numbers. It came from St. Clarita California.
I have no problem spending less than two figures on a little gem like this. I will peek inside when I get the time. I think it may be a hodge podge, but that's Ok. I think the majority of the parts are non numbered. The handle nut, just says "oil", Nothing else.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tightlines667 on July 27, 2015, 10:56:07 PM
Looks to be a 1939-42 LongBeach Model 65 with 3 & 1/4" sideplates, and 400yd spool capacity.  This reel is supposed to have a drilled spool arbor, non-numbered stand, and torpedo knob w/ large coin-edged counterweight.  Looks like the head andvtailplate bushing, rod stand and clamp are post 1950, and the handle assembly is late 1940s.

Cool looking reel, and a score at $30.  Restoring back to period-correct state would ad to its value to a collector.  Mike's book puts the value between $25-$50, but many have been selling for close to double that lately.  I think this reel should have leather drags, and possibly steel gears too.  Let us know what you find inside.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 28, 2015, 05:13:54 AM
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The stand is numbered John. 30-66. That's why I don't think its original

Nice. I would say your reel is a 1941 or 42 model. The stand is a common upgrade for early Long Beach reels. The previous owner probably wanted a Long Beach 65 with a rod clamp stand, so they just added one in the 1950's. The waffle clicker is pre-war, making this a very interesting reel. The handle may also be pre-war if it is a Penn 66 length. The handle may be another upgrade made to the reel back in the day.

Your reel is a perfect example of how reels were upgraded before the days of the Alan Tani websites or aftermarket part conversions possibilities like Newell, Accurate, etc.. If I were you, I would not change anything about the reel. I would simply mint it out and make up a good story about how reels were made into tanks before custom parts were available.

I see there is a part number on the tail plate bearing, I was wondering if the spool was numbered also. Those would also be common upgrades, especially if this Long Beach had a plastic spool, like so many did right before the war.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 28, 2015, 08:21:13 PM
The Surfmaster is a smaller reel Joe. They all had the same scene on them. It may look the same, but this one is different. The long beach is a much bigger reel.
I found another one Mike.
This reel was advertised as a Delmar. Its actually a 160. This is the one you have on your 170.
I don't have it in my hands yet, these are the pics from the auction.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tightlines667 on July 28, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
That is the same pictureas is gound on all of the smaller reels.  It appears on my 180 and my 185.  Nice find though.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on July 28, 2015, 09:17:17 PM
I just try to find them in good condition John. I know its not that rare, but for 25 bucks in good condition, I am willing to spend. I was just happy how this one looks. The parts look un numbered.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on July 29, 2015, 07:33:16 AM
Daron,

The reel is a Baymaster and the box is a 1958 Delmar box with catalog, which is a fun collectible. First thing to do is separate the reel from the box, now you have two collectibles instead of one. Then you need to find a special Delmar. Either one with nutty colors or a heavily mottled one to go with that great box. $25 was a steal for those two collectibles and adding the catalog to the box and reel makes your steal a felony rather than a misdemeanor ;D


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on August 12, 2015, 03:40:16 PM
I'm pretty happy with these two Mike.
A Seagate and a Bayhead 300 yard version.
The Seagate has the same scene as my 1942 Long Beach, but the Bayhead is really nice.
I will go ahead and say it. I don't have your book yet. Shame on me. I figured it would make me look for reels I don't need. Its really working out. :D
I think I will ask for it as a Christmas present.
I'm really happy with these two. I need to make a display case for these old reels. It amazes me that they are this old and still in great shape.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tightlines667 on August 12, 2015, 04:27:21 PM
Cool reels Daron.  I like that tailplate picture w/the tall ship.  Same as on the first year Anglesea.  I love that green handle knob with the large counterweight.  Looks to me like you are going to need to build a pretty large case if you aim to display your collection.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 12, 2015, 05:19:19 PM
Very nice reels. I find the 300 yard models are harder to find, especially, 300 yard Sea Gates. That tall ships tail plate can fit many reels.

I looked at my Anglesea and it is the same as John's. I do not believe there is a set rule about which tail plate goes with what reel unless size or build style becomes the deciding factor.  They can be crossed easily. A Bay Head, Anglesea, Bridge City, Sea Hawk or Sea Ford can all interchange tail plates with each other sometimes.

Daron, if you get addicted to buying old Penn reels that you do not need, your life will change forever. You will start becoming illogical, buying more fishing tackle than you can possibly use and building cabinets to display all these old, useless pieces of hardware.

So, what are you waiting for? ;D

BTW, if you want a copy of my book, email me at < mcass1@optonline.net >


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on August 17, 2015, 11:49:35 PM
This old Bayhead went bidless for a couple weeks. I offered the seller $35. Its the 250 yard version.
The spool looks a little crusty, but I think it will clean up.
I started removing the old linen line and decided to put it back on. This reel looks pretty good for its age.
The wood knob is in good shape too. Should I leave it like it is Mike? Is the spool German silver?


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Superhook on August 18, 2015, 12:19:51 AM
Daron,

The spool should be chrome over brass .

Regards the anti reverse , it could be choked with old dry grease and/or the dog spring is missing .  Same parts as the 250yd LB if you need them.( Buy a cheap clunker for the internals...if you want.)

The handle is original. I like the graphics. Good score.

Ray


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on August 18, 2015, 12:28:11 AM
Thanks Ray,
I have a few parts laying around. I bought the 1942 Long Beach from this same seller. He asked me why this reel wouldn't sell. I had offered him $50 for it before.
Its amazing what you can troll up. I just didn't know if a reel this old still had the chromed brass spool.
I know just what to do to bring it back, and then put that old line back on it.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on August 18, 2015, 07:55:44 AM
Daron,

The Bayhead is not as desirable as some other vintage Penn reels in its standard colors. I think it is because it is fairly easy to find and collectors always like hard to find better. The interesting thing about Bayhead reels is they were a platform for strange colors. Because they were a low priced full featured reel, the rental houses and the party boat owners liked to use them as rentals. They came in a strange white box:
and sometimes the reel could get very different:

There was no telling how the reel may pop up, odd colored versions are rare; but, not impossible:


I always liked the Bayhead, it may be easier to find than a Bay Side; but, it is still a great early reel.

I think cleaning it to its best appearance and putting the white linen line back on the reel is a perfect display piece. Every early Penn display should have a Bay Head reel in it.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on August 18, 2015, 09:02:28 AM
Speaking of Bayheads, in case anyone's interested:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/271957585238?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

A~   :)


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: broadway on August 18, 2015, 11:28:20 AM
Aiala,
   With all due respect, I understand that the reel has been listed for a while, but can you please wait for the auctions to end before steering people to the link?
It would be appreciated by we collectors who may or may not be interested in it.
Mike, that Bayhead has me drooling!
Daron, for a "non-collector" of these vintage reels you're doing pretty well. ;)
Thank you,
Dom


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on August 18, 2015, 11:40:21 AM
Aiala,
   With all due respect, I understand that the reel has been listed for a while, but can you please wait for the auctions to end before steering people to the link?
It would be appreciated by we collectors who may or may not be interested in it.
Mike, that Bayhead has me drooling!
Daron, for a "non-collector" of these vintage reels you're doing pretty well. ;)
Thank you,
Dom

My apologies, Dom. Didn't occur to me that y'all already knew about it. Won't do that again.  :-[

~A~


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tightlines667 on August 18, 2015, 11:57:21 AM
...
Daron, for a "non-collector" of these vintage reels you're doing pretty well. ;)
....

 ;D


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on September 14, 2015, 08:00:13 AM
OOPS,, I added the 1939 Sea Hawk picture twice. I should have put the Silver Beach Model 97 picture the second time.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4469/36823640674_8470c1d0ec_z.jpg)
Here it is......

I think this is the same tail plate picture, except mine is on a vintage Penn 99... is that normal?

Trying to decide whether I should hang on to it or not...  ???

~A~




Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: thorhammer on September 14, 2015, 09:29:11 AM
If you let it walk, you not be "accumulating"  ;)


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 15, 2015, 09:08:31 PM
Quote
Trying to decide whether I should hang on to it or not...  Huh?

Those tail plates are both cool. Of course the 99 is the later model with Hershey kiss style clicker button. They are both worth keeping if you want shelfies. The 99 is a great reel to fish or put on the shelf.

Hard to say whether something is worth keeping or not. It is totally up to the individual and what you want.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on September 16, 2015, 06:22:46 AM
Those tail plates are both cool. Of course the 99 is the later model with Hershey kiss style clicker button. They are both worth keeping if you want shelfies. The 99 is a great reel to fish or put on the shelf.

Thanks, Mike. You're right, the 99 is terrific to fish with; I'm currently in the process of color-blinging my third one!   :D

Which said, I'm not really a shelfie person (except for rare gems like that 49A) so I'd almost rather see the reel go to an angler who could put it to good use. Besides, I'm such a pack rat that if I ever started with shelfies I'd need a HUGE house and there's no way.   ::)  ;D

~A~


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 16, 2015, 06:53:56 AM
Quote
Thanks, Mike. You're right, the 99 is terrific to fish with; I'm currently in the process of color-blinging my third one!   Cheesy

Which said, I'm not really a shelfie person (except for rare gems like that 49A) so I'd almost rather see the reel go to an angler who could put it to good use. Besides, I'm such a pack rat that if I ever started with shelfies I'd need a HUGE house and there's no way.   Roll Eyes  Grin

~A~

Customizing them is the real fun for me too. My problem is, when they come out really nice, I do not want to get salt water on them....<:O(

But I am going to break my own ""DON'T GET IT DIRTY RULE" and fish the last Jigmaster I converted with all the Tani innards.

A huge house simply mean huge cleaning ::)


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Cortez_Conversions on November 01, 2015, 04:20:00 PM
I'd be really interested if someone could make me a .DXF file of some of this art work. Please PM me.
Thank you,
Tom


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: valkie on November 08, 2015, 08:36:00 PM
Hey Ailia;
Is that a UFO in the top right hand side of the etching on the Penn reel?


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Dominick on November 09, 2015, 02:16:55 PM
Hey Ailia;
Is that a UFO in the top right hand side of the etching on the Penn reel?
Yep! what is it?  It does look like a flying saucer moving fast.  Dominick


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on November 09, 2015, 03:59:40 PM
Hey, Aiala...
Is that a UFO in the top right hand side of the etching on the Penn reel?
Yep! what is it?  It does look like a flying saucer moving fast.  Dominick

I've noticed this odd marking before, and frankly I haven't a clue as to what that mysterious object might represent. I don't have a magnifying glass handy, and my camera isn't really equipped for extreme closeups, but here's the best I could do:

(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/P1000673_zps9ws4nspw.jpg)

Weird, huh?? Darn thing really does look like a UFO!  :o  Do any of you guys have a similarly-marked tail plate?  ???

~A~



Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 09, 2015, 04:11:01 PM
Looking at Mike's on the first page. His doesn't have the flying saucer.
I thought it was just scratch marks at first.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: thorhammer on November 09, 2015, 06:13:51 PM
Hereby known as Area 55 reel


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: valkie on November 09, 2015, 06:46:14 PM
Apparently Alians like to fish as well.

That reel must have once been owned by one or was it an abduction?????


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: broadway on November 09, 2015, 07:23:53 PM
More like "Aialens", you know I couldn't help myself, Dominick. ;)
If you look close there is a sea gull making up the antenna. Someone clearly scratched that in, and so nicely put the hash marks behind it indicating forward motion.
Actually pretty good job and bonus points for creativity.
The conspiracy theorists on this site were about to have a field day with this one. ;D
Dom


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: valkie on November 09, 2015, 07:55:40 PM
The truth is out there.............................somewhere :o


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on November 09, 2015, 08:38:36 PM
More like "Aialens", you know I couldn't help myself, Dominick. ;)

Yikes, that is REALLY cringe-worthy, Dom! :D

But I honestly don't think it's a marked-over seagull. I'm going to examine it again once I get a magnifying glass.

As for UFO's, well, I know I've seen things I can't explain... hasn't anyone else?   ;)

~A~


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Dominick on November 09, 2015, 09:09:06 PM
I have a theory.  I think the prior owner wanted to mark his reel so that he or she would be able to identify it.  He or she cleverly incorporated the V of the seagull's wings to etch a flying saucer.  Very clever and unique.  It sure beats etching a name or initials.  Enjoy it Aiala.  Dom that lousy pun made me cringe also.   ;D Dominick


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 09, 2015, 10:42:16 PM
I have carefully inspected both my early Silver Beach models, both of them seem to originate from the planet Earth. So, where does that leave us? Can we assume that there are now Penn reels that have been identified as alien reels.  I wonder if they are legal or illegal aliens. There seems to be no shortage of either these days.

No matter how many Penn mysteries I solve, there is always someone that comes up with a reel that is not of this world. :-\ :-\ :-\ :o :o :o

Stranger things have happened you know!!


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Dominick on November 10, 2015, 09:47:25 AM
"Beam me up Scottie."   :D ;D :D ;D Dominick


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on November 14, 2015, 08:55:37 AM
So I finally got hold of a magnifying glass, took a close look, and behold! It is definitely the work of some long-vanished jokester who, for reasons which will remain forever unknown, decided to etch a crude 1950's-style flying saucer into the Bakelite of his reel:

Maybe he was memorializing something he saw...  ::)  In any case, I sure would've liked to fish with this guy... clearly he was WAY out in left field! (But to some extent, aren't we all??)  :D

~A~



Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 14, 2015, 09:05:49 AM
Quote
Maybe he was memorializing something he saw...  Roll Eyes  In any case, I sure would've liked to fish with this guy... clearly he was WAY out in left field! (But to some extent, aren't we all??)  Cheesy

I like that, yes we are all in "Left" Field, except Republicans, they are in "Right" Field. ;D

But, there is another consideration. Something that in my "Left Field" mind must be given a certain amount of credibility. That is, that just maybe, possibly  ::), another one of these will appear, with the exact same "Alien Craft" molded into the side plate. That will be a Game Changer. :o :o :o


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Dominick on November 14, 2015, 10:19:04 AM
Maybe he was memorializing something he saw...  ::)  In any case, I sure would've liked to fish with this guy... clearly he was WAY out in left field! (But to some extent, aren't we all??)  :D
~A~
Perhaps he was able "to boldly go where no man has gone before."  Though "highly illogical."  * Star Trek :) Dominick


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: broadway on November 14, 2015, 02:15:52 PM
Mike,
  Molded into the plate would be different than this one that's scratched into the plate. Yes, I know you were kidding ;D
Aiala, enjoy that "far out" reel.
Dom


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: bluefish69 on November 14, 2015, 03:03:07 PM
Na Nu   Na Nu


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: valkie on November 14, 2015, 03:06:58 PM
Sooooo......we should disregard scratchings??

I Agree, all those scratchings on paper are just scratchings and we should negate the written word.

I for one think its a message from beyond.
Our Alien watchers are telling us to disregard all other worthless persuits and stick to fishing.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: stoked4fishin on January 22, 2016, 08:40:33 PM
I'm going on the hunt for a 113 4/0 (black plates) for my collection.  Does anyone have pictures of the earliest version of the side plates?  Also, was there a version that had the feature of changing the drags from the outside like the 113H?
Thanks
Jeff


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: TomT on January 22, 2016, 10:20:27 PM
UFO= Unidentified Flying Object!!   ::) ;)   Problem solved--it is a UFO
TomT


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Superhook on January 23, 2016, 12:16:53 AM
I'm going on the hunt for a 113 4/0 (black plates) for my collection.  Does anyone have pictures of the earliest version of the side plates?  Also, was there a version that had the feature of changing the drags from the outside like the 113H?
Thanks
Jeff

Check out Page 2 of this posting . Mike's 4/0 shows the side plates that are unique to the first year of 4/0 production .


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: stoked4fishin on January 23, 2016, 10:20:31 AM
Thanks for pointing me to the right place!


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Dominick on January 24, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
Maybe he was memorializing something he saw...  ::)  In any case, I sure would've liked to fish with this guy... clearly he was WAY out in left field! (But to some extent, aren't we all??)  :D
~A~
Perhaps he was able "to boldly go where no man has gone before."  Though "highly illogical."  * Star Trek :) Dominick


By any chance are you a Trekkie Dominick ??? :o

Joe 
No Joe there is an assortment of trivial junk floating around in the brain.  Sometimes it comes to the fro when needed.  Most of it is useless.  I don't think I watched more than 3 or 4 shows ever.  Dominick


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on January 24, 2016, 05:22:18 PM
I don't think I watched more than 3 or 4 shows ever.  Dominick

Heresy!  :o

You are clearly not one of the Metrons.  ::)

~A~


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Dominick on January 24, 2016, 05:24:55 PM
Gorgons comes to mind.  Is there such a thing?  Dominick


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on January 24, 2016, 05:40:55 PM
Gorgons comes to mind.  Is there such a thing?  Dominick

There is indeed (e.g. Medusa), but Captain Kirk battled a Gorn.  ;)

~A~


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on January 24, 2016, 06:38:49 PM
I watched every episode of the original Star Trek, my only problem is since the stroke I have CRS.  ;D  Joe

Live long and prosper, Joe!  (http://mobtalk.net/bored/images/smilies/icon_spock.gif)

Umm... what's "CRS"?   ???

~A~


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: RowdyW on January 24, 2016, 06:54:34 PM
CAN'T REMEMBER $...!


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Aiala on January 24, 2016, 06:59:31 PM
CAN'T REMEMBER $...!

Ohhh... yikes.  (http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/embarrassed-smileys/embarrassed-smiley62.gif)

~A~


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 24, 2016, 07:11:07 PM
Quote
I'm going on the hunt for a 113 4/0 (black plates) for my collection.  Does anyone have pictures of the earliest version of the side plates?  Also, was there a version that had the feature of changing the drags from the outside like the 113H?
Thanks
Jeff

Time to go back to Earth.

Hello Jeff,

Just recently got these pics of a 114H in basic black with the external drag replacement feature and the basic tail plate.




Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: RowdyW on January 24, 2016, 09:50:42 PM
Hi Mike, I've seen about four black 114-H reels including mine and they all had the the external access drags.They were made for such a short time that I don't think that they were made with the enclosed drags.    Rudy


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: broadway on January 25, 2016, 05:47:18 AM
You're right Rudy. They also made the maroon 114h with external access but I believe that was scrubbed after the anniversary reels or there abouts, probably similar time that the 113h changed over.
I have 6 black 114h's but the only left handed (factory) I've ever seen or heard of.
Anyone else have a factory 114h lefty. I'm sure there are more so keep your eyes peeled.😳
Thanks
Dom


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 25, 2016, 05:13:00 PM
I have a few of the 114H with external access. The boat on the non handle side as well.
This one has a unique looking handle. Amber green.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: broadway on January 25, 2016, 05:51:41 PM
That is a unique handle...Looks like a Halloween gourd.
Dom


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Maxed Out on February 01, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
That is a unique handle...Looks like a Halloween gourd.
Dom


  Yes, I like those handles too Dom.  I bet Daron has a drawer full of them just waiting for the next build. ;) ;)


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on February 02, 2016, 07:07:53 AM
Quote
I have 6 black 114h's but the only left handed (factory) I've ever seen or heard of.

Hello Dom,

These reels have no history. They are very hard to find (as far as I know). I finally found one at a show last weekend.

You have six of them, that is great! How did you wind up with so many and do you know anything about their history? According to the books and Trade show info, they should not exist with the Black Side plates.

***[ Check out the Black 114H thread in the History and Antiques Section ]


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: sdlehr on July 04, 2016, 07:28:38 PM
I spent some time this afternoon taking pictures of all my Penns with picture tail plates. I think I have a few that aren't yet displayed here. They're all on Senators.

This first is a dark maroon 113h

(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_04_07_16_8_17_15_147701308.jpeg)

It also comes in the standard red 113h

(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_04_07_16_8_17_13_1476985.jpeg)

This is a 113 - a lot like Basto's reel in post #15 of this thread, except his is a marlin, this is a sailfish :)

(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_04_07_16_8_17_12_14768764.jpeg)

This is on a 114

(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_04_07_16_8_17_08_147652141.jpeg)

Another 113 - this may be the same as two pictures back, I'd have to pull out the reels again to be sure.

(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_04_07_16_8_17_07_14763498.jpeg)

And another 114

(http://alantani.com/gallery/14/15180_04_07_16_8_17_10_147672101.jpeg)



Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 29, 2016, 11:34:12 PM
I think I found I really rare one. I have never seen this engraving on a 250 yard reel. This is usually on the small 1942 Sea Hawk (150 yard) with the undercut rims: but, here is it on a 1937 250 yard Sea Hawk. Unfortunately I did not get a chance to buy it.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on November 30, 2016, 08:37:32 AM
Interesting find Mike.....is the green color the bakelite of paint?   Never seen that color green before.....Bill


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: oc1 on December 01, 2016, 12:16:56 AM
I think it's the lighting Bill.
-steve


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: broadway on December 01, 2016, 04:23:49 AM
Is that the one (3 pillared '37) that went for around $60 on a bin on eBay?
I had the opportunity but couldn't add another Seahawk to the collection.  I didn't notice the tailplate being only on the 150 yd'er or things may have been different... that's why you're he authority on Penn reels. Nice eye!
Steve is correct, it's just the light. I thought the same at first.  Check the advanced feature on eBay for more photos.
Thanks for pointing that out, mike!
Dom


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Superhook on December 02, 2016, 12:48:04 AM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Early-Vintage-Penn-Seahawk-Casting-Reel-/222328790990?ul_noapp=true&nma=true&si=fazcQt4C8DgByFp0FKfj2MYrm4g%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

This was the Ebay listing . In Oz time it appeared and was gone while I was sleeping. I did get notification but is was already snabbled overnight.

Hopefully we might here some more about it from the new owner.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 04, 2016, 01:14:28 AM
I have a minor problem with colors. I see them differently than all the normal people on the planet, that is because I am "A B Normal", otherwise known as color blind. Anyways, I did not notice the green tint.

I feel the engraving is very weird for a 1937 Sea Hawk. That side plate sould be plain. This particular reel looks like the engraving is deeper than a normal picture plate. Almost like it was hand done. May never know for sure because it si in the wind.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on February 09, 2017, 01:22:57 AM
Hi All

I am new to this forum and thoroughly enjoyed this discussion.
If I may pose a question to the group regarding the Penn 49 left sideplate 27-49 .... when did the sideplate change from/to
4 fishing boats with 5 seagulls and clouds
PENN No.49
DEEP SEA REEL
PENN Fishing Tackle Mfg.Co.Phila.Pa.
and
PENN
No.49
SUPER MARINER
PENN FISHING TACKLE MFG.CO.PHILA.PA

Thanks and Regards
AC



Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Bill B (Tarfu) on February 09, 2017, 06:59:32 PM
AC in the 1952-53 Penn catalogue, the 49 changed names from Deep Sea to Super Mariner.... if you have a Deep Sea with part numbers it would be considered a post war model.... non parts numbers...then earlier than the end of WW II.....if it's a Super Mariner was in production 1953 until 2005.....hope this helps.....Bill


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on February 10, 2017, 12:02:06 AM
Thanks very much Bill  :)

I see in 1951 catalog no. 16 it was called PENN No. 49 and in the 1952 catalog 17 with Instruction Manual and repair parts list the name changed to SUPER-MARINER.
So the post war PENN No. 49 Deep Sea Reel sideplates would have been used until when ? When stocks ran out maybe ?  ???
If the SUPER-MARINER sideplates were in production from 1952-2006 then both these sideplates would have out there at the same time for a fairly lengthy period ?  ???

Regards
AC


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Maxed Out on February 10, 2017, 01:28:18 PM
Thanks very much Bill  :)

I see in 1951 catalog no. 16 it was called PENN No. 49 and in the 1952 catalog 17 with Instruction Manual and repair parts list the name changed to SUPER-MARINER.
So the post war PENN No. 49 Deep Sea Reel sideplates would have been used until when ? When stocks ran out maybe ?  ???
If the SUPER-MARINER sideplates were in production from 1952-2006 then both these sideplates would have out there at the same time for a fairly lengthy period ?  ???

Regards
AC

  Exactly !!


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on February 10, 2017, 09:55:53 PM
Thanks Maxed Out

Much appreciated. That should settle this mystery once and for all  :)
So to further identify the approximate era / decade of the reel the accompanying Penn Reels catalog with Instruction Manual and repair parts list would offer some further timelines (providing they and the reel itself stayed together in the box from original purchase)  ???

Regards
AC


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: oc1 on February 10, 2017, 11:41:47 PM
There are people here who can probably date the catalog.  Not me though.

I'm not a box and papers guy, but you see an awful lot of empty reel boxes being offered for sale and someone buys them.  Sounds to me like there is some deception going on.
-steve


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on February 10, 2017, 11:51:33 PM
Some of the older reel boxes that aren't looked after get pretty toasted after a while. Maybe people are just replacing their 1's with a better looking 1 from the same era ?  ???


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: JoseCuervo on November 12, 2018, 01:05:22 PM
This is a really cool thread and it deserves a bump. I have enough reels now that unless it has a cool picture plate, I don't need it.  ::)

One thing I always liked was how the lighting changes the scene;

There is the beautiful afternoon look, birds flying, guys fishing..

(https://i.imgur.com/Mo75StW.jpg)

And the dark and stormy night look. You can hardly see the people on the party boat or the two boats in the background. There is a storm coming just like that!

(https://i.imgur.com/0EILJlI.jpg)

Rob


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on November 13, 2018, 10:27:34 AM
Agreed Rob how does the other side look ? Single rivet  / hologram type circles seen on the sideplate ?
Show some more  ;D

Cheers
AC49


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Maxed Out on November 13, 2018, 01:52:08 PM
 It's my belief that the boat just above the click button on 149 is the Penn Sport Fisher boat they used to test fish the reels and gear. It only makes sense that they would include the company boat in some of the sideplate engravings.

 Ted


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: JoseCuervo on November 13, 2018, 08:44:35 PM
Agreed Rob how does the other side look ? Single rivet  / hologram type circles seen on the sideplate ?
Show some more  ;D

Cheers
AC49

AC49, does this help? I might not understand the question correctly.  ;)

Rob



Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on November 15, 2018, 10:06:35 PM
Thanks Rob
I have a few older Penn 49A reels and have noticed they have the same pattern inside the left & right sideplates. For want of a better name I refer to them as having hologram design.
Some have a single rivet (below) holding the click spring others like the picture below have 2 rivets.

Cheers
AC49


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 15, 2018, 10:38:45 PM
That internal swirl is called "Jeweling" and is usually done to hold grease or oil better than a flat surface. It can be done by hand with a jeweling tool or if you chuck up a pencil into a drill and use the eraser of the pencil you can create the effect. Be prepared to go through a lot of pencils, the erasers wear out quickly.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on November 15, 2018, 11:28:08 PM
Wow thanks Mike.
Would it make sense that this was maybe done on some of the older reels in the 50's ??
It would be interesting to me if you possibly new when this was done and if Penn did it themselves as I certainly didn't  ;)

Regards
Alan


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on November 17, 2018, 10:34:04 PM
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It would be interesting to me if you possibly new when this was done and if Penn did it themselves as I certainly didn't  Wink

It is an old machinist trick. I have seen on early Pflueger big game reels like the Atlapac. I always am surprised when I see on a Penn reel. Don't really know if they did it by hand or if it was molded in. I will ask. The people at Penn today sometimes surprise with their knowledge of old techniques. Can't hurt to ask.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Ron Jones on November 17, 2018, 11:20:01 PM
Jeweling can be done with several different tools. They even make tools specifically for the task. Pencils are traditional, but you go through a bunch of them.
The Man


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on November 18, 2018, 04:12:16 AM
For jeweling I use these in a Dremel:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Abrasive-Rubber-Polishing-Burr-Point-Grinding-Head-For-Metal-Dremel-Rotary-Tools/401612872952?_trkparms=aid%3D555017%26algo%3DPL.CASSINI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D55149%26meid%3Da3af28c9aa844a3fbb790078a83e8936%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26%26itm%3D401612872952&_trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/9780_18_11_18_5_10_20_26017465.jpeg)


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Alto Mare on November 18, 2018, 04:22:54 AM
Jeweling can be done with several different tools. They even make tools specifically for the task. Pencils are traditional, but you go through a bunch of them.
The Man

I wouldn't even bother using pencils...

For jeweling I use these in a Dremel:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Abrasive-Rubber-Polishing-Burr-Point-Grinding-Head-For-Metal-Dremel-Rotary-Tools/401612872952?_trkparms=aid%3D555017%26algo%3DPL.CASSINI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D55149%26meid%3Da3af28c9aa844a3fbb790078a83e8936%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26%26itm%3D401612872952&_trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226

(http://alantani.com/gallery/26/9780_18_11_18_5_10_20_26017465.jpeg)


Chris, thanks for showing, those should work out nicely.
Were you the first bringing the jeweling to us?...thanks for the tip might give those a try!

Sal


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on November 18, 2018, 05:52:17 AM
I'm not sure I was the first Sal. But I think I posted something about it some while back :-\ I'm sure I used to have a memory :D


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on November 18, 2018, 08:30:01 AM
Quote
It would be interesting to me if you possibly new when this was done and if Penn did it themselves as I certainly didn't  Wink

It is an old machinist trick. I have seen on early Pflueger big game reels like the Atlapac. I always am surprised when I see on a Penn reel. Don't really know if they did it by hand or if it was molded in. I will ask. The people at Penn today sometimes surprise with their knowledge of old techniques. Can't hurt to ask.

Thanks Mike.
I have seen them mostly on the old 49A Penn reels from the 1950's.
I appreciate your feedback and hopefully some more from the Penn folks.

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on December 12, 2018, 08:13:47 AM
Here is the sideplate of a Penn Senator 12/0 that recently had a clean up. Jeweling also visible.
Any news from the folks at Penn Mike ?

Regards
AC49


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Penn Chronology on December 12, 2018, 10:38:27 AM
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Any news from the folks at Penn Mike ?

Penn is in the QT mode. My world is breaking down. Do not know who will ultimately be at Penn and my publisher is basically underground. So at this time I have no answers. Maybe next year the dust will settle and we will have new people in the mix.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: basto on December 12, 2018, 12:36:18 PM
I have a 3/0 tailplate with that pattern

(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1020947_zps0mxuahai.jpg)


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: broadway on December 12, 2018, 07:52:56 PM
I've got many reels with this "jeweling".  I just always though it came out of the mold a little rough so they used a polishing tool of some kind that created those swirls.
I does look cool when you crack one open and see it's holographic inside wall.  I don't believe I've ever seen it on a head plate but then again, I may have but can't remember one at the moment.
This would negate what I said about the rough texture after the mold so it needing polishing because I would think the head plate would need more smoothing with all the nooks and crannies. ???
Just another mystery to a Penn reel,
Dom


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on December 14, 2018, 10:40:03 AM
I've got many reels with this "jeweling".  I just always though it came out of the mold a little rough so they used a polishing tool of some kind that created those swirls.
I does look cool when you crack one open and see it's holographic inside wall.  I don't believe I've ever seen it on a head plate but then again, I may have but can't remember one at the moment.
This would negate what I said about the rough texture after the mold so it needing polishing because I would think the head plate would need more smoothing with all the nooks and crannies. ???
Just another mystery to a Penn reel,
Dom

Dom you can see my pictures on the previous page showing the Penn 49A headplate with jeweling. As Mike said it holds the oil / grease better than a flat surface.

Thanks Mike we hope you have better luck with the Penn people soon  ;D

Regards
AC49




Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: broadway on December 14, 2018, 11:03:14 AM
Interesting... surprised they would put all that work in to hold geese (...or grease, lol) or oil. Guess thatís why they stopped it.
Thanks AC,
Dom


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: Dominick on December 14, 2018, 03:18:03 PM
Interesting... surprised they would put all that work in to hold geese or oil. Guess thatís why they stopped it.
Thanks AC,
Dom

Honk honk.   :D ::)Dominick


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: sdlehr on December 15, 2018, 08:07:34 AM
Interesting... surprised they would put all that work in to hold geese (...or grease, lol) or oil. Guess thatís why they stopped it.
Thanks AC,
Dom
It makes sense that grease would stay put on that roughened surface, but did they ever use enough grease in the factory to cover all that real estate? The usual complaint is that manufacturers don't pack enough grease into their product at production time.....


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: basto on December 15, 2018, 12:29:11 PM
Would that non metal surface need greasing anyway?


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: RowdyW on December 15, 2018, 01:00:43 PM
Would that non metal surface need greasing anyway?
It will help keeping moisture from being absorbed into the graphite plate to help keep it from swelling.      Rudy


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: sdlehr on December 15, 2018, 02:18:08 PM
Would that non metal surface need greasing anyway?
Greasing that surface just makes cleanup that much easier next time when the dirt comes out with the old grease. Without the grease, the minerals can stick to the bakelite pretty well.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: broadway on December 16, 2018, 12:14:07 PM
Being that we know how to and regularly maintain our reels it really isn't necessary to do.  I only do it to my most used reels/wireline reels.
Good to know though,
Dom


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: 1badf350 on December 16, 2018, 12:54:48 PM
Same principle? LOL this was at Red Robin last night, I immediately thought of this thread.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: JoseCuervo on December 16, 2018, 01:26:32 PM
Same principle? LOL this was at Red Robin last night, I immediately thought of this thread.


Hopefully, not the same principle, to hold grease.  ;D

You see the jeweling fairly often if you know where to look for it; I have noticed it inside of the gear boxes / lockers on fire trucks (but like a 4 inch swirl, not 1/4"). I asked a friend of mine and he said it is commonly used just so scratches don't show up so easily. Polished metals are easily scratched, aluminum being a common culprit. Jeweling covers a lot of scratches fast as well.


Title: Re: PENN PICTURE TAIL PLATES
Post by: AC49 on August 13, 2019, 03:42:15 AM
Quote
It would be interesting to me if you possibly new when this was done and if Penn did it themselves as I certainly didn't  Wink

It is an old machinist trick. I have seen on early Pflueger big game reels like the Atlapac. I always am surprised when I see on a Penn reel. Don't really know if they did it by hand or if it was molded in. I will ask. The people at Penn today sometimes surprise with their knowledge of old techniques. Can't hurt to ask.

Hi Mike did you ever get the opportunity to ask the people at Penn about the jeweling of the sideplates ? Maybe when this occurred ??
Thanks in advance.

AC49