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Title: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Tailin strange on January 06, 2015, 10:59:12 AM
Has anyone had the chance to use these yet? What's your take on them so far? Looking to get 2 100s based on Alan's review of the Lethal 100. Should be an even better version of that. Debating on those or 2 20k saragosa SWs. What's the weight of the cabo 100s and 120s? I haven't been able to find that info.
Thanks


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: johndtuttle on January 06, 2015, 12:06:08 PM
Has anyone had the chance to use these yet? What's your take on them so far? Looking to get 2 100s based on Alan's review of the Lethal 100. Should be an even better version of that. Debating on those or 2 20k saragosa SWs. What's the weight of the cabo 100s and 120s? I haven't been able to find that info.
Thanks

Look at Alan's review of the Cabo. It is not an "even better version" but is a decent reel in it's own right.

It is impossible to make any kind of a recommendation unless we know your intended use for such large spinning reels. If you can share we would be glad to help as best we can. :)


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Tailin strange on January 06, 2015, 04:54:19 PM
Alan doesn't have a review of the cabo 100 or 120. Completely different reel than the cabo 80 that he reviewed. Quantum is owned by zebeo and so it Finnor. The Finnor got a really high score and the cabo is supposed to be an even better version of the lethal. I would be using them for vertical jigging deep for grouper, snapper and tile fish. 400-600ft


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: johndtuttle on January 06, 2015, 05:31:22 PM
Alan doesn't have a review of the cabo 100 or 120. Completely different reel than the cabo 80 that he reviewed. Quantum is owned by zebeo and so it Finnor. The Finnor got a really high score and the cabo is supposed to be an even better version of the lethal. I would be using them for vertical jigging deep for grouper, snapper and tile fish. 400-600ft

Ah gotcha, yea they look decent.

I am a huge spinner fan for what they do well. I look forward to seeing how the bigger Cabos perform but would use 2 speed conventional reels for 600 feet every time. :)


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Three se7ens on January 06, 2015, 06:01:35 PM
From Alan Hawks review of the saragosa, and reading between the lines(cabo 80 and lethal 100), Im betting the cabo will be a far more capable reel. 


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Tailin strange on January 06, 2015, 07:01:35 PM
I prefer conventionals as well but some of the people I fish with prefer spinning. Those reels have a fairly slow gear ratio so it makes jigging deep manageable. Hoping the cabo is an even better version of the lethal. Hopefully they didn't over engineer it though and make it worse, which is always a possibility. Anyone know when Alan is getting his hands on them?


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: johndtuttle on January 07, 2015, 02:29:48 PM
I prefer conventionals as well but some of the people I fish with prefer spinning. Those reels have a fairly slow gear ratio so it makes jigging deep manageable. Hoping the cabo is an even better version of the lethal. Hopefully they didn't over engineer it though and make it worse, which is always a possibility. Anyone know when Alan is getting his hands on them?

Hard to say. Reading the Alan Hawk tea leaves he just follows his bliss and if he thinks the bigger Cabos are worth sharing (and different enough from the review he's done already) he may give them a look or just throw them in the "lists" without further detail.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on March 07, 2015, 02:31:18 PM
Just finished reading Alan Hawk's review of the Quantum Cabo 100/120, and it ended up 1 point above the Fin Nor LT100.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Three se7ens on March 07, 2015, 03:23:49 PM
Im a little suprised it didnt score higher, but its still a quite capable reel.  Certainly a world class spinning reel, and Im still seriously thinking about getting one to go along with my Lethal 100.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on March 07, 2015, 03:42:57 PM
Im a little suprised it didnt score higher, but its still a quite capable reel.  Certainly a world class spinning reel, and Im still seriously thinking about getting one to go along with my Lethal 100.

If one already has a LT100, will the Cabo 100 offer that much more performance to justify the increase in cost? Possibly to the "right" person.

The Cabo 120's with their increased capacity and higher max drag would be a logic addition, IMHO.

If one does NOT have a LT100, then a matching set of a Cabo 100 and 120 makes good sense.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on March 07, 2015, 06:51:38 PM
Im a little suprised it didnt score higher, but its still a quite capable reel.  Certainly a world class spinning reel, and Im still seriously thinking about getting one to go along with my Lethal 100.

If one already has a LT100, will the Cabo 100 offer that much more performance to justify the increase in cost? Possibly to the "right" person.

The Cabo 120's with their increased capacity and higher max drag would be a logic addition, IMHO.

If one does NOT have a LT100, then a matching set of a Cabo 100 and 120 makes good sense.

That would be what I would go with! When comparing reels price point has to be taken into consideration. The Cabo is almost 3x more.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on August 12, 2018, 10:05:47 AM
Alan Hawk posted on 08/09/2018 that the PTSE 100 and 120 are being discontinued.

Do I want to drop ~$500 total for one of each while they are still available? Hmm...


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Shark Hunter on August 12, 2018, 10:30:46 AM
I knew that it would be coming. I have three of each.
I sent you a pm Wai.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Shark Hunter on August 12, 2018, 10:33:52 AM
I'm taking it to Florida 30 days from now.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Wally15 on August 12, 2018, 10:56:50 AM
Alan Hawk posted on 08/09/2018 that the PTSE 100 and 120 are being discontinued.

Do I want to drop ~$500 total for one of each while they are still available? Hmm...
Wai, I have a NIB PTSE 100 that I no longer plan to use. It's available if Daron wants to hang on to his.
Mike Pate


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on August 13, 2018, 08:10:49 PM
Wai, I have a NIB PTSE 100 that I no longer plan to use. It's available if Daron wants to hang on to his.
Mike Pate

Mike,

Ah...temptation, temptation, temptation...what's your asking price?

Wai


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 23, 2019, 12:58:56 AM
Before they run out, I plan to grab a Cabo PTSe 120.  Hope the parts will still be around for 3-4 years then I can retire the reel lol.......


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 23, 2019, 09:39:06 AM
Great Reel!


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 26, 2019, 11:10:19 PM
Is the 120 PTSE same as Rhino Black Cat Extreme 4105?


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on March 27, 2019, 03:04:40 AM
Externally, it matches the Fin Nor OF9500a: http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/ofs16.html

Internally, can't tell until it's opened up.

IMHO, here are the four options in descending order of preference:

  • If it's the Quantum Cabo 120 you really want, then chase one down on eBay. If you are patient, you can score a new one for under $200.
  • The next step down is the Quantum Boca 120. Alan Hawk rates it 7 points lower than the Cabo 100/120 (when it was on the same listing). From the schematics, the spool shaft is the same part # of the Cabo
  • Fin Nor 9500 OFS9500
  • Fin Nor 9500a OFS9500a

The Black Cat? Who supplies spare parts for it?


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 27, 2019, 03:55:52 AM
I understand that, but unfortunately I don't live in US so 90% of Cabo in e-bay don't ship to my country and 10% who do,  charge a huge amount for shipping cost.

I do want a Cabo 120 PTSE but can't seem to get my hand on one before they totally gone (discontinue).  So finally found one site in Europe who do ship to my country with minimal cost, they have all three reels (Cabo120PTSE, Fin Nor Offshore 10500 & Black Cat Extreme ).  Parts wise I hope can be source from Zebco Europe.

Porthos,
You are right, internally no one know if Black Cat Extreme is the same as Fin Nor Offshore.

I am after a reel for surf, casting distance not important, only need power and line capacity that why I only consider these three reels.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: CapeFish on March 27, 2019, 04:40:49 AM
Why not look at other knowns e.g. the Daiwa BG or Shimano Spheros or Saragossa? The BG is well priced and a strong reel


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 27, 2019, 06:59:53 AM
No doubt that all BG, Spheros and Saragosa are all value for money reels (owned a Spheros 20,000 few year back, weight wise almost the same as my mention reels).

But for me, drag power & line capacity are both categories I am mostly looking into which BG, SPH & Gosa lacking.  That why I lean towards the others in the market.  In Alan's review, both Cabo & Fin Nor Offshore score high in drag power and line capacity.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on March 27, 2019, 07:14:03 AM
The Fin Nor OFS9500a is available on www.amazon.de.

https://www.amazon.de/Fin-Nor-OFS6500A-BX3-Parent-Offshore-Spinning/dp/B01LY7YAJB/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=fin%2Bnor%2Bofs9500&qid=1553699246&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr0&th=1&psc=1

Looks to be 10 EUR less than the Black Cat 4105 (when buying either from Amazon).

The handle side plate of the OFS9500a appears "easy" to remove according to Alan Hawk. If the Black Cat is the same reel then do the same and you can compare to Alan Hawk's photos.

Better yet, take photos of the Black Cat and share here!


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 27, 2019, 09:03:20 AM
I have Several Cabo's 100 and 120's as well as the Boca's.
The Cabo puts out 60lbs of drag. Externally, they look very Different.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on March 27, 2019, 11:07:12 AM
Daron,

When did you start picking up the Boca's (assuming the 100's and 120's)?

How do they compare to the Cabo's? I'm assuming you picked up on when rearranging "cabo," you get "boca"; unsure if that's Quantum's intention...

Wai


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 27, 2019, 01:37:52 PM
I haven't torn into one, but I will soon. Other than color, they look and feel like the same reel at $100 less. ;)


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 27, 2019, 03:25:16 PM
The Black Cat Extreme is only a few dollars cheaper than the Fin Nor (assuming the same size 495 / 9500)

https://www.amazon.de/Black-Cat-Angelrolle-Extreme-0273095/dp/B00FV2Q24A/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=3PMHO2NCNTBCO&keywords=black+cat+extreme+495&qid=1553728793&s=gateway&sprefix=black+cat+extreme%2Caps%2C559&sr=8-1

https://www.amazon.de/Fin-Nor-OFS6500A-BX3-Parent-Offshore-Spinning/dp/B01LY7YAJB/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=fin%2Bnor%2Bofs9500&qid=1553699246&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr0&th=1&psc=1

Both don't deliver to Brunei  :'( :'( :'(




Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 27, 2019, 03:33:10 PM
Shark Hunter,

Cat look same as Offshore, not Cabo or Boca.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on March 27, 2019, 04:53:44 PM
Brunei...now it makes more sense. When you mentioned "Europe," thought it may have been not-in-the-EU.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 27, 2019, 05:12:55 PM
One of the tackle store do ship to Brunei with minimal shipping charge, that why I am interest in the Cat (Europe version of Offshore, I guess).


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on March 27, 2019, 05:53:44 PM
No luck from Australia, New Zealand, or Hong Kong?


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 27, 2019, 06:21:17 PM
AUS & NZ Cabo 100/120 either mostly all out (models till size 80 still available) or don't ship to Brunei, may be due to discontinue. Never try HK yet.

But nevertheless, already pull the trigger and ordered a Cat lol.......


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 27, 2019, 08:56:51 PM
Shark Hunter,

Cat look same as Offshore, not Cabo or Boca.
I have one of those too and it is a beast. Very Heavy. The Cat's spool doesn't look like it holds that much line.
You are limited to your availability and I understand.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 27, 2019, 10:10:00 PM
Shark Hunter,

Not this version, I am comparing to the NEW version.

Notice the "protruding stern" is no longer there for the bigger version of the offshore.  Same as the Cat 4105.

Not only I am limited to my availability, reels here in my country get chuck away (dump/throw) once broken n buy new one as there is actually non service center here for reels.  Luckly, so far my reels are all well look after.  Oldest reels are Bando SX3000 (now Banax) and Penn Spinfisher 9500SS, which I still use them today lol.........



Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 29, 2019, 03:44:28 AM
Hi,
For those using Cabo 120, you guys use Mono or Braid for the reel? Thanks.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on March 29, 2019, 04:05:13 AM
Solid braid to mono/fluoro topshot. Hollow core connection with nubs, nail knots, and glue.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on March 30, 2019, 01:47:16 AM
Ok, thanks.

Is there any reason/s on why the Cabo 100 & 120 were discontinue? Such a great reel but Quantum choose to shut them down.  May be a PTSF coming out soon?


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Jeri on April 03, 2019, 01:14:14 AM
Appreciate that you might have already ordered, but have you tried any of the mail order tackle shops in South Africa, as they are still available down here. Most folks are still using them after 3-4 years of hard use on sharks and the like.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on April 03, 2019, 06:58:41 PM
Haven't try any online from S.Africa.  Any recommendation?  At the moment, try my luck in e-bay & hope they got shipping to Brunei.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Jeri on April 04, 2019, 10:07:32 PM
Google 'Tackle Shops' 'co,za', should give you a load of results, most will post/freight overseas . Brunei shouldn't be an issue at all.

Hope that helps.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on April 08, 2019, 11:31:00 PM
Thank for the tips.  Will sure look around co,za tackle stores for purchase. 


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: CapeFish on April 09, 2019, 05:41:34 AM
I had a quick look at some of our bigger online stores - Ganis, Fishingstore.co.za and Basil Manning all seem out of stock. I am not sure if some of the shops may still have them and will be prepared to ship to where you are.


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on April 11, 2019, 12:08:11 AM
Finally ordered and arrived.  Rhino Black Cat Extreme, but the reel feet stamp is Fin Nor.

Alan Hawk review of the Fin Nor Offshore got print "China", mine got none so not sure this reel is Made In Where????


Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Porthos on April 11, 2019, 03:41:40 AM
"Rhino" is a Zebco-owned brand and so is Quantum and Fin Nor:

If the Offshore is Made-in-China, then all bets that the Black Cat is too.

Unclear why an additional rebrand is needed in Europe but that's Zebco's prerogative for whatever reason.

IMHO, the Fin Nor jumping marlin looks cooler than the Rhino catfish... :D

More likely than not, the internals are the same, and you can probably chase down Fin Nor Offshore spare parts easier than Rhino Black Cat ones...good luck on your catches.




Title: Re: Quantum Cabo 100 and 120
Post by: Pierce on April 11, 2019, 04:16:20 PM
"Rhino" is a Zebco-owned brand and so is Quantum and Fin Nor:

If the Offshore is Made-in-China, then all bets that the Black Cat is too.

Unclear why an additional rebrand is needed in Europe but that's Zebco's prerogative for whatever reason.

IMHO, the Fin Nor jumping marlin looks cooler than the Rhino catfish... :D

More likely than not, the internals are the same, and you can probably chase down Fin Nor Offshore spare parts easier than Rhino Black Cat ones...good luck on your catches.




Yes, internal exactly same as the Fin Nor.  I manage to take some parts out, screws are all bone dry especially the line roller screw. Got this because of the Black Gold look and its $17.00 cheaper  ;D ;D ;D