Alan,
I found an interesting website . . . OCEAN CITY reels with links to sites for other OLD reels Q
http://www.oceancityreelphotos.com/ (http://www.oceancityreelphotos.com/)
OC Schematics http://www.reelschematic.com/schematics/oceancity.php
Author Jim Scottenham www.sidemountreels.com
Author Phil White http://oldreels.com/
Author Dr. Todd Larson http://fishinghistory.blogspot.com/http://luresnreels.com/
Author Ron Gast http://luresnreels.com/
Author Steve Vernon http://antiquefishingreels.info/
Author Ed Pritchard http://www.antiquefishingreels.com/
Author Joe Yates http://www.joesoldlures.com/wwwboard/
Author Wayne Benson http://waynesreelcollectibles.weebly.com/
Author Wallace Carney http://mitchellReelMuseum.com/
great to look through! maybe we should have a section on antiques and collectables!
Not a bad idea, Alan...
Best,
Fred
Quote from: alantani on February 10, 2015, 02:33:08 AM
great to look through! maybe we should have a section on antiques and collectables!
I agree..Good idea. A section dedicaded to the history, heritage, and rare, antiques and collectables would be a great idea.
stickied!
Thanks for posting this Dave...very nice.
Sal
The Ocean Reels site was one that Paul Robert Ellis was working on . He was an incredibly well liked ORCA member with a huge drive to get things done. Unfortunately he passed away in late 2013 and ORCA keeps the site going and updating it in his honour. Never to be forgotten . He would be over the moon to know that all the information is being well used.
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/robertellis_zpsa72cc6d0%201.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/robertellis_zpsa72cc6d0%201.jpg.html)
Paul Robert Ellis
Great to see Bob Ellis got noticed, he would have been overjoyed about his site being so accepted. :)
I wonder if his other sites are still up. I cannot seem to find them.
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 10, 2015, 10:48:55 AM
Thanks for posting this Dave...very nice.
Sal
You are quite welcome, sir !
Mike,
These were the sites you would have been looking for.
http://www.fishingreelresearch.org/index.html
Fishing Reel Research site
http://www.bronsonreelphotos.com/
Bronson Reel Site
Ray
Look at the size of that salmon in the photo. Wow! Dominick
QuoteLook at the size of that salmon in the photo. Wow! Dominick
Yup, atsa bigga fish!
QuoteMike,
These were the sites you would have been looking for.
http://www.fishingreelresearch.org/index.html
Fishing Reel Research site
http://www.bronsonreelphotos.com/
Bronson Reel Site
Thank you Ray, those are them! :)
Ocean City Reels could open a new world in this website. Ocean City Manufacturing is where Penn Founder, Mr. Otto Henze apprenticed, sort of making the Penn Fishing Tackle Manufacturing Company the result of Ocean City design training.
I feel Ocean City was close to the Classic Reels Makers that started it all. The way they did things was somewhat different than Penn. It related to the origins of salt water fishing tackle that enabled fisherman to catch larger fish without becoming a victim to the inadequate tackle, like Knuckle Buster Reels that predate drags and anti-reverse devices.
So, a close look at Ocean City products is a look at where it all began. Ocean City had many innovations, as a matter of fact, their innovations and massive model diversities may have caused them to go out of business. Research and development is expensive and Ocean City loved research, new ways of doing things and development. It is really a fun brand to study.
This was the final design of Ocean City Big game reels, The Model 616--16/0 made into the early 1960's after True Temper took over the company:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/OC616--1.jpg)
This is not my reel, I have one but it is not nearly this pretty. It is the same dimensions as a Penn Senator 16/0 but the mechanics are executed differently. Here is another look at this fine reel:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/OC616--4.jpg)
It has forward and aft harness lugs just like a Penn 16/0 but Ocean City chose to line them with strips of leather, a throw back to using leather in days gone by. OC was a bit old fashioned.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/OC616--6.jpg)
A look inside the 16/0 head plate exposes a different kind of internals. More old fashioned design but very strong. The eccentric jack lowers the clutch and spring loaded yoke assembly which disengages four square pins that solidly engage with the spool when the jack is moved back up.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/OC616--8.jpg)
The drags are accessible from the outside of the reel simply by removing the drag cup. The reel handle has a integral wrench, so no extra tools are necessary to take this reel down for a drag washer change. The drag cup has two male pins that engage into the main gear.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/OC616--12.jpg)
Only on the 14 and 16/0 are different sized washers used for the drag stack. The drag washers are at least 1/16 of an inch thick and made from an asbestos brake lining material.
I feel that looking at the old reels can suggest ideas that have been shelved many years ago or simply a interesting look at where it all began. The benefits of looking at vintage ideas are endless and fun, for me anyways.
Hope every one enjoyed the post. ;D
Very nice Mike, yes I've enjoyed it very much, thank you. As I've been, reel manufacturers could learn a lot from these vintage masterpiece.
Thanks for sharing.
Sal
Thanks Sal, I find it interesting looking at different products that are designed for the same purpose, especially if those products are antiques. Being old eliminates the questions of time testing. One thing we know for sure, when an item has survived years of use, it has a certain quality that goes beyond what a modern test can prove. That is one of the allures of antiques, it boils down to that old saying, "They don't make them like that anymore". :)
In the world of Penn reels we see many different Trade Reels. Penn collectors expect to run across them from time to time. Kingfishers, J C Higgins and Schultz have shared the Penn reel logo side plate space along with different reel names like "Live Wire", "Offshore", "Deep Sea Angler" and many others. Finding a Penn Trade reel never surprises me.
But other brand reels throw me a curve. Today, on a Vintage Reels Facebook page someone was asking about a particular Ocean City, 150 yard saltwater reel they had just found. It was named an "All Coast". As I looked at it, I knew I recognized the model, I even thought I remembered its name. So, I figure I can help the person who is looking for the information about the reel. All I have to do is go to my catalog collection, find the model and I will have its history.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20Trade%20Reels/Ocean%20City---All%20Coast_zpsrcoqefnl.jpg)
It is a common Ocean City style from the 1930's, so I start looking through my early catalogs for an "All Coast" Ocean City model. I have every Ocean City catalog from 1931 (the first catalog) up to the 1950's when OC became a True Temper reel. So I look. The first time I look I find no model with that name. I figured I missed it, so I look again, the second time I look through all my catalogs, still no "All Coast" model. After my third catalog adventure I decide it is not me, this model name is not in any of the catalogs.
My fourth search is now a bit deeper. I am looking for a reasonable facsimile to the "All Coast". By the time I get to the 1938 I find it, a dead ringer for the "All Coast" reel. Only it is named the "Seal Beach"
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20Trade%20Reels/1938%20OC%20catalog%20scan%20of%20Seal%20Beach%20Model%201211%20x%20472_zps1c4cdvq2.jpg)
So's I post my info on Facebook and continue on with my day.
This is an example of how to loose your mind for awhile and it is also a neat learning experience. I knew that Ocean City sold their reels with Trade Accounts just like Penn did; but, I did not expect it. One never knows what he will get himself into when he just want to do a simple little favor for a stranger. ???
Mike,
I came accross a photo of this early Ocean City as well, and (having somewhat limited knowledge about Ocean City), ventured a wild guess that it might be a prewar trade model. Which I added to my growing list of things to learn more about.
Thanks for sharing your findings.
I am slowly realizing that many people much more knowledgable then myself have been collecting old fishing reels for a long time now. Many of my unanswered questions have answers, if one is only willing to investigate the findings of previous investigators.
QuoteI am slowly realizing that many people much more knowledgeable then myself have been collecting old fishing reels for a long time now. Many of my unanswered questions have answers, if one is only willing to investigate the findings of previous investigators
I believe that the day after something begins its existence, someone---somewhere begins collecting and accumulating information about it.
The reason I wrote about Penn was because no one else had. That did not mean there was no information about Penn in the written word, all that meant was there was simply not a easy way to get the info you wanted. When I starting buying, selling and collecting Penn reels I looked for a book about them. You would think with all the books that have been written in the last 75 years, a book would have been written about a product that is used by thousands of people for fun and food purposes. Wrong >:( Penn info was spread out over thousands of pages of out of print catalogs, shop manuals, ephemera, and hearsay, but no book. :-[ :-[
All the information about everything is out there, somewhere. We just have to put it together :-\
Two millenniums past, there was a devout group known loosely as the Gnostics.
They were a very strict religious group -- and regardless of their beliefs and interpretations -- one thing they did do, was -- amass and save many of the early Gospels, letters, and books that were part of the historical accounts of Early Christianity -- from just before Jesus, to a couple of centuries after his earthly appearance.
The problem was -- they were so careful to keep everything to themselves (for safekeeping, and to not be persecuted by other groups) -- much of their storehouses of reported Christian history and first person accounts were stored away and hidden in buried clay jars -- only to be discovered in Egypt, in 1945.
Many of the manuscripts and reportings were ruined or destroyed -- and also some other accounts and Gospels were discovered that were not included in the common Bibles of our modern time -- such as the King James Bible, and other collections of historical biblical accounts, letters, and gospels.
While trying to do the right thing -- many important facts and early first hand versions of events, were sadly lost.
Before the internet (25 years ago) I had a friend whose hobby and passion was Geneology. He would do research using methods such as mailing letters, traveling to distant states and cemeteries and counties -- just to find another thread of information in order to continue his work.
Today, we have the Internet -- which has enabled us to quickly find additional and much more easily accessible information about nearly any subject.
The Internet has also allowed us to have forums like this one, as well as others -- to share information freely and instantly.
I for one, am very grateful for this technology -- and we might learn a lesson from the earlier information keepers -- Share, Include, express transparency, be respectful, and keep sharing.
This is how knowledge and information are passed onto the next generation of researchers.
And...
Never post anything on the Internet that you would not want published in the local newspaper! Or especially anything you would be embarrassed for your mother to read...
Thanks for your work, Michael -- as it also encourages others to possibly follow in your footsteps.
Best,
Fred
Fred,
Thanks for the kudos. I will try to continue to share the history as I see it and hope I get it as correct as possible. Anyone that feels they want to join in is more than welcome. There is no such thing as a flooded market of information, there is always room for more.
Ever since I got my OC 'Dover Club', I have been on the look out for an 'Ike Walton Club' companion reel. Thanks to a friend, I now have my 'Ike'. It has the Tarpon style handle knob, and later style drag too. I believe this reel is late 1920s, early 1930s.
I am axiously awaiting an OC book to learn more. Or maybe Mike can share some knowledge on the history of this model?
*BTW the box and reel care/parts schematic pictured is for a later and different model (a 'St. Lucie' no. 981).
John,
In the May, 2015 issue of the ORCA publication, The Reel News, I wrote an article about the Ike Walton model. It originates in the mid 1920's as a Dover Club hybrid and stays in production up to WW II. The build style varies during its production. The use of the Issac Walton name was very popular in the early 20th Century, especially in Ocean City products.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 14, 2015, 05:54:19 AM
John,
In the May, 2015 issue of the ORCA publication, The Reel News, I wrote an article about the Ike Walton model. It originates in the mid 1920's as a Dover Club hybrid and stays in production up to WW II. The build style varies during its production. The use of the Issac Walton name was very popular in the early 20th Century, especially in Ocean City products.
Great article Mike!
According to the article, my reel is a 1929 (or later model). Just wondering how long the reel may have been produced for. My 300yd model sold for $25 in 1929. That is ~$345 adjusted for inflation. These were definately high end reels of the day. The drag design on this reel is interesting, and represents some significant feats of engineering. Also, the 11 tooth ratchet leaves very little handle backplay. I wonder why Penn didn't use more teeth on their ratchets?
Now I just need to find the rarer 1927/28 model, not depicted in the catalogs.
Glad you enjoyed that article. The interesting aspect of New discoveries is that their origins are difficult to pin down. The First Ike Walton reel goes back further than the May article states. From the time I wrote that article I found some more Ocean City ephemera. Being that the first Ocean City catalog is a 1931 and the company opened its doors in 1923, there is a gap of documentation that has to be filled in with Trade Catalogs and ephemera. The ephemera could come from almost any magazine or pulp publication of the era. I discovered a page from the obscure Folsom Arms catalog of 1924 that has the Dover Club and Early Ike Walton model I pictured in the article. So there will be an update to that article when the book is released some time in the not to distant future ( I hope). I have to finish writing it first......................<:O(
Following the model throughout its production history is a bit of a task. So far my before the war research places its beginnings in 1924 and continues its production until 1942, then it returns in 1955 with a new model number and stays into production until 1957. In 1958, Ocean City is now under the umbrella of True Temper Corporation, I am not researching True Temper, so that is where my work stops. Basically Ocean City Mfg. Company has a production history under its own name from 1923 to 1957. The glory days of the brand are pre-WW II.
QuoteI'm coming in a bit late on this post but we have a neighbor that lived around the corner from us who's husband wrote about fishing in the field and stream I believe and was quite a fishing enthusiast, I had never met myself and he passed away some years back. Her last name is Ellis. Could it be possible that she is the wife of this man? Maryann has moved and now lives in Wanamassa NJ but we are in touch with her from time to time, I'm going to give her a call and see if this is about her late Husband.
It is longshot; but, can't hurt to ask.
QuoteNow I just need to find the rarer 1927/28 model, not depicted in the catalogs.
John,
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20Ike%20Walton%20Model/1920s%20Ocean%20Cirty%20Ike%20Walton%20Club%20reel%20comparisons--1%20009%20676%20x%20507_zpsqwhydvvr.jpg)
The reel on the left is the Ike Walton / Dover Club hybrid, the one on the right is closer to your model. I have to say, if you see one like the reel on the left, grab it. They are very hard to find. I think I remember one other. As far as I know, there are only two found, mine and one other ORCA member I believe has one. If one pops up, do not hesitate. They are fairly elusive and not many people even know they exist, so their price will probably not be high, unless the sale goes public.
Love the looks of these older reels, thanks for sharing Mike.
Sal
QuoteLove the looks of these older reels, thanks for sharing Mike.
These old Ike Walton models were made of German Silver and Bakelite. The handle knobs are wood. Both reels are early Ocean City models from the 1920's.
QuoteI just spoke to Maryann and it is a coincidence but her last name is Illis not Ellis....stopped me. How ever her husbands name was Robert Illis so there are some similarities there beside the fishing interests. My mistake, but in my defense it was very coincidental.
That's OK, now we know. Never hurts to follow a lead.
Thanks for trying.
Hope this is ok to post here im still lost on this site...I just aquired an ocean city 113 foot number 300 and a ab.urfabrinken svangsta 5000 with 4 screw side plate foot number 342122, both working but have no Ideal what I have here. Paper wieghts maybe? lol
I tried to attach photos but when I clicked insert image it gave me no options just said [img] in this box. Also tried right click copy and paste with no luck any suggestions?
Aha... hidden under additional options. Ok here are a couple of pics now I figured out how to post them...
The easiest is to chock on 'Additional Options' at the bottom. Then the 'CHOOSE FILE' button. Then select your image and click 'Post'.
Alternatively, you can use a Web image-hosting service and copy and past the image URL into the body in between the two image [img.] http://....[./img] dealies.
No badge on the OC makes it one of the earlier gene with the automatic*/folding free spool lever. This would make it somewhat collectable, but not particularly valuable. Like $15-$25 on a good day.
The badge on the Abu is a good thing. Not sure on age/value here. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can Chime in here?
You may want to check Ebay sold listings to get a general idea of value.
*Edited slightly following Mike's post.
Thanks for helping.
These older reels also come with the 2, I posted above. Im not really into collecting so most likely put these up for sale. Think there worth $25.00 each? They all seem to work to.
1. Black 5000C Ft# 84 1100 with Counter weight handle.
2. Black Svangsta 5000C Ft# 131 131 with Deerback handle with Red Knobs.
3. Black 5000C Ft# 097 100 with Deerback handle with Gold Knobs.
4. Green 5000D Ft# 14 1200 with round drag dial and clicker.
5. Red 5000 posted above.
QuoteHope this is ok to post here im still lost on this site...I just aquired an ocean city 113 foot number 300
Can't help much with the Abu's; but, maybe someone may come out of the mist that can. I can give a bit of history on the Ocean City 113 you have. That model was introduced in 1935. Most collector's do not realize how far back the Automatic Free Spool lever goes. Here is a scan from the 1935 Ocean City catalog introducing this option
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Otto%20Henze%20Desktop%20Paperweight/1930%20Ocean%20City%20Saltwater%20reels%20and%20Docs/1935%20Automatic%20Free%20Spool%20catalog%20scan%20518%20x%20505_zpsuid85qug.jpg)
The model you posted is the Bay City, Model 113--300 yard reel. Here is a scan from the same 1935 catalog. This is a common Ocean City reel with a low value. A collector would add this to his collection in the box in mint condition. A used reel would have a rough time bringing $25; mint in the box might bring $50 to $75.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Otto%20Henze%20Desktop%20Paperweight/1930%20Ocean%20City%20Saltwater%20reels%20and%20Docs/1935%20Bay%20City%20112%20amp%20113%20catalog%20scan%20534%20x%20772_zpsneonsp8i.jpg)
Mike,
I was hoping you would chime in here. That was quite progressive engineering for the 30's!
Wow thats pretty neat. Thanks for the info. My dad past away several months ago and I found that OC 113 in his house. I Did think about trying to clean it up and use it but way to big for what I do. Plus im just starting out and even tho I have got the abu ultra cast memorized and can tune them quite nice. I havent opened up anything else but one cheap shakespere spinner froze from sand and crude so my son could fish galveston. Lots of lube in that one haha. One more was a Shakespere v2000 baitcaster something like that. Went back together like new except to hard to turn I instantly knew I will not be working on china stuff lol... Gotta get busy and get pontoon ready need to beat my record this fall/winter.
QuoteMike,
I was hoping you would chime in here. That was quite progressive engineering for the 30's!
Most of the Ocean City designs originated prior to WW II. They had a great engineering department. I suspect that all their complicated designs contributed to their fall, they simply overbuilt their products for the market they were selling in, namely, The Depression Market. Of course, the competition from Penn reels is actually what put the nails in their coffin.
QuoteWow thats pretty neat. Thanks for the info. My dad past away several months ago and I found that OC 113 in his house. I Did think about trying to clean it up and use it but way to big for what I do.
Sorry for the loss of your Dad.
By the size of that Catfish, a Bay City 113 does not seem too big.
Thanks Penn, That bluecat pegged the scales at 50.5 and I cant prove anymore than the scale read but im sure it was heavier than that. I now have a scale that reads 100 lbs and wouldn't you know it I cought it on a cheap shakespear troller baitcaster like a tidewater 20 instead of my abu reels I converted to c-6 and tuned real good. Guess I will have to wait to test my abu's.
I just added a few more early OC reels to my collection. Here's what I've got so far...
(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy77/Tightlines666/Mobile%20Uploads/20151203_181343_zpshbwode1f.jpg) (http://s779.photobucket.com/user/Tightlines666/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20151203_181343_zpshbwode1f.jpg.html)
All remain in 'As Found' condition, but they may not stay that way.
This photo includes the following (from right front counter-clockwise):
-Take-A-Part No. 102 (cracked tailplate), 300yd, post1932
-Bay City No. 112W, 250yd prewar, but later version?
-Ike Walton No. 105, 300yd, ca. 1942
-Dover Club (center), 1920s
-St. Lucie No. 981, w/correct box &schematic, later post-war model
-Chlsea FAR KAST No.116W, 300 yd, ca. 1940
QuoteI just added a few more early OC reels to my collection. Here's what I've got so far...
Great start John!
I will take these reels, as my time allows and elaborate a bit about each one in the same order you placed them in. The first one is a very interesting version of the Model 102. Always remember, they key word about Ocean City is confusion ??? ???. They were constant innovators and never left anything alone. As soon as you think you understand their production flow, they bite you with what you feel is a learned logic of what they were about. The Model 102 is a prime example of what I just said. The Ocean City, Model 102 has a long history. The reel you pictured is a 1936 version of the Model 102. This reel goes all the way back to 1924; but, was constantly being changed in its features. The 102 Model number was attached to the Ocean City Surf reel in 1931 with the First Ocean City catalog. The configuration of this reel was always in evolution, the one you have found is a very good find and a special Ocean City collectible. The year of 1936 was the first year that the Model 102 was built the way yours is built and I feel that makes the 1936 Model special. Collecting all the versions of the Ocean City Surf Reel aka Ocean City Take Apart Reel aka Model 101, 102 & 114 can become an difficult task in itself. Here is the 1936 version, which was only built like this from 1936 to 1939. The complete production of this model can be recorded from 1924 to 1942, it did not return after the war.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20catalog%20scans/1936%20Ocean%20City%20Take%20Apart%20reel.%20804%20x%201254_zpsap54ov79.jpg)
I just picked up an Ocean City Parts Kit No. 03. Does anyone have any information on when the kit was available? or what timeframe/era reels these parts wold be correct for?
Here is the Ebay listing:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/172048102820
The insert in the kit states...
"PARTS IN THIS KIT CAN BE USED TO REPAIR THE FOLLOWING REEL MODELS
107, 110, 112, 113, 165, 167, 981,987,988, 990, 991, 992, 993, & 994"
and it refers to a Summerset Steeets, Philladelphia address.
Holy cow, what a win @ 14.99...well done!
Quote from: coastal_dan on January 09, 2016, 04:37:48 AM
Holy cow, what a win @ 14.99...well done!
:)
I'M hoping using just one tailplate will cover my cost. Plus it should make a cool display piece with my OC related group. Don'the thino there is a suitable tailgate for replace the cracked on on my 300 yd Take-A-Part though :(
QuoteI'M hoping using just one tailgate will cover my cost. Plus it should make a cool display piece with my OC related group. Don'the thino there is a suitable tailgate for replace the cracked on on my 300 yd Take-A-Part though Sad
John,
At a $14.99 win, your cost would have been covered if the parts bin were empty. Ocean City parts kit are great finds. They were offered by the company long before they were in the catalogs. Some of the kits were very extensive. I am not sure the exact year of yours. I would have to compare the models the kit covers to what was available and when it was available. Here are couple that were in the 1940 catalog:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20parts%20kit/Figure%209%20869%20x%20360_zps1awsgmbd.jpg)
Yours looks like it has been used and has more parts in it than it should. The best thing to do with them is to have the correct parts in the corresponding boxes. I had a very lucky find about a year ago and got a dealer kit from the 1930's loaded with many German Silver parts:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20parts%20kit/SAM_1239%20752%20x%20564_zpsnyawxsjw.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20parts%20kit/SAM_1241%20608%20x%20456_zpslnptwsmj.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20parts%20kit/SAM_1242%20608%20x%20456_zps4iewoee2.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20parts%20kit/SAM_1243%20393%20x%20524_zpsfhuxltoh.jpg)
All the original parts were not there; but, many of them were. All the large parts in my kit were gone, unlike yours, you still have many of the large parts like side plates and handle knobs. That is great.
In my opinion, you stole yours, they do not come up for sale that often
There are other kits in the catalogs in later years also:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20parts%20kit/1942%20Ocean%20City%20Freashwater%20Parts%20Kits%201069%20x%20820_zpsfi0xdepb.jpg)
You got a great deal on a very interesting part of OC history.
I believe Fred Oakes has some of these kits.
John,
Found the documentation on your kit by comparing all the models numbers on that little piece of paper to the years those model number reels were made. Your kit covers reels made in 1948 and 1949. The kit was offered in the 1949 catalog. it was considered a very extensive kit and was quite expensive for its day.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Ocean%20City%20parts%20kit/1949%20Ocean%20City%20Parts%20Kit%20from%20catalog%20895%20x%20381_zpsoenr0qds.jpg)
I think I need to get a life :(
Mine is just a baby, compared to that full sized kit of yours Mike. Just based on the address on the catalogs, the color scheme on the front, and the known production dates for reel models listed.. I would guesstimate this kit having been produced during the 1948-58 postwar period, maybe more likely during the first few years?
I see we were looking at the same catalogs and info, and posting at the same time... and more or less came to tell same conclusion.. lol.
Though your resources, or mental faculties must have been a bit better then mine, since your date range is half mine..
;)
QuoteJust based on the address on the catalogs, the color scheme on the front, and the known production dates for reel models listed.. I would guesstimate this kit having been produced during the 1948-58 postwar period.
Nope, many of the reels in your list were not made after 1949. The kit had a very small window of production.
I have an assortment of kits from manufacturers over the years.
But only one OC -- the number 40 Mike is showing on the right side for fresh water reels.
Now, if you are talking old Shakespeare fresh levelwinds and fresh small conventionals -- I have around 75 pounds of parts such as gears, posts, stands, LWs, worms, and more.
That is the problem with keeping this stuff for so long -- it was ancient when I got it as New Old Stock from a reel repair shop estate going back to who knows when? Now, 40 years later, I may have outlived its usefulness. Do not think I have used more than 1 or 2 parts in that time.
Problem is -- I organized it into various bins of the same part -- but have little or no idea what it might go to.
And while I have perhaps 200 old small conventionals -- like Shakes, Pflueger, Langley, Bronson, South Bend, and many others -- I have little interest. Maybe someday, likely not.
Best,
Fred
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QuoteThat is the problem with keeping this stuff for so long -- it was ancient when I got it as New Old Stock from a reel repair shop estate going back to who knows when? Now, 40 years later, I may have outlived its usefulness. Do not think I have used more than 1 or 2 parts in that time.
And there lies the essence of hoarding. When I see an massive accumulation of old things, my eyes immediately start to scan everything looking for key items. I pass over 99% of the hoard, even if it is as neat as yours Fred. If the hoard is as neat as yours, it is easier to scan because I do not have to look past the dirt. To me, having five Penn 85 bridges is better than having five hundred Penn 85 bridges, simply because I know I will more than likely never need any. But, I will take all the NOS 1940 Penn 12/0 trim rings and stands I can carry.
This mindset exists in all collectible things. Common is common and for the fun of it, common things are OK; but, if you are hoping to make a special collection, you are better off with 10 rare items than a thousand common ones.
Fred, I find your accumulation amazing. What makes me feel it is amazing is the level of neatness your stuff is arranged in. That impresses me; but, the quantity scares me for exactly the reason you just stated.
Great websites and cool stuff. Here is another one to look at for you guys and gals:
http://www.oceancityreelphotos.com/
QuoteGreat websites and cool stuff. Here is another one to look at for you guys and gals:
http://www.oceancityreelphotos.com/
This site was founded by the late Mr. Robert Ellis and is now maintained by ORCA members and sustained by member donations.
My early Ocean City reel collection has grown a bit.
Thought I would share...
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This group includes(From left to right, front then back):
-Dover Club, No?, ca.1922-32, 250yd
-Ike Walton, No.100, ca. 1932-40(earlier version), 250yd
-Ike Walton, No.100, ca.1932-40(later version), 250yd
-Bay City, No.112, ca. 1940-1958,250yd
-Chelsea FarKast, No.116W, ca.1939-42, 300yds
-Take-A-Part No.102, ca.post 1935, 300yd
-St. Luice, No.981, ca. 1948-57, 150yd, w/box (note: badge should be painted blue/white)
-Orlando 6/0, ca. 1929-34, No.106
-Long Key No.115, ca.1931-35, 500yd, w/thumbing brake
-Panama 10/0, No.141, 600yd of 24 linen, ca. 1937/first year model, (w/incorrect/early ca. 1938 Penn Log Knob)*Also sold by Motague as a No.T10/0 Tampico
-Ocean City Kit No. 03, Ca.1948/9, $50.00 list price!
-Brigantine No.111, ca.1932-41, 250yd, boxed
-Edward Vom Hofe Universal Star 6/0, No.621, Ca.1931(production#306),w/ad on harness and brace lugs, and thumbing brake (incorrect, 9/0 handle arm, and homemade wood knob)
-Rod in the back is a Montague 'Gulf' boat rod
I am looking forward to Mike's book, where I am hoping to fill in some of my gaps in OC knowledge, and maybe narrow down the production date ranges for many of these models.
Very nice John. I you have any production questions. I might be able to answer your questions. I have all the catalogs and much ephemera. If you have a particular reel you want to know production information about, let me know.
When the book is released, there will be a section that flows all the production from 1923 to 1957. I stopped in 1958, because that is when True Temper took over and I cannot document into the True Temper years. I also feel that True Temper eventually cheapened the Ocean City product and I do not like when a maker does that. I feel that more time in production means a better product, not a degraded product. I feel that True Temper expanded on the Ocean City freshwater line of reels; but, went backwards concerning the saltwater reels.
Ocean City is not like Penn. They were much more diversified across the saltwater / freshwater tackle offerings and their products did not originate from one founder, like Penn is.
When I started the book, I was not sure if I could finish it. It was about a two year project and I still am unsure of whether I did a good enough job. Time will tell.
Mostly interested in the early Long Beach model progression (which you diverged from a bit in your Reel News articles), and more info regarding the early Joe Coxe/OC connection, and Coxe reel evolution from the same time period. Also interested in learning more regarding the early Pflueger Atlapacs, and similar models and any connections between Pflueger and their competitors that may have existed during this timeframe. I can wait for the OC book though, and do some additional research myself on the other topics.
BTW, just snagged another OC-DC...
http://m.ebay.com/itm/401091790392
$30 shipped seemed a good deal :)
That's quite a collection you have there John.
I notice the anti-backlash posts and thumbing brake on the Chelsea FarKast and Long Key.
If those were in my collection, I'd try tossing out a few casts just to see how well it works..;)
Chad
Looking good John, you're achieving a lot in such a short time. You keep this up and I might need to get on a plane and build you an extra room ;).
Very nice collection.
Sal
Nice deal on the Dover Club. They are kind of scarce.
QuoteMostly interested in the early Long Beach model progression (which you diverged from a bit in your Reel News articles), and more info regarding the early Joe Coxe/OC connection, and Coxe reel evolution from the same time period. Also interested in learning more regarding the early Pflueger Atlapacs, and similar models and any connections between Pflueger and their competitors that may have existed during this timeframe. I can wait for the OC book though, and do some additional research myself on the other topics.
The early Long Beach models could be a book in themselves. I did the one article on the Long Beach; but, there is so much to look at if you want to get deep into the model and its relatives. Basically, the origin of the Long Beach is Penn!
If you are finding any documentation about a connection between Joe Coxe and Ocean City or Moskowitiz & Herbach, you will be holding info that many collectors have questioned for years. The physical build style of the Ocean City Orlando model is obviously a Joe Coxe style. Joe Coxe was not the kind of person that donated his designs without recognition, so I have to assume, Ocean City borrowed the style from his designs, without permission. Possibly the best way to find information about a Joe Coxe / Ocean City connection would be in the history of the courts. I always felt that Ocean City may have infringed somewhat on the Joe Coxe patents.
Pflueger is a brand I steer clear of. They are extremely complicated in there history. They are also very old, going back into the 19th Century (so is Ocean City; but, not usually thought of as that old). Most collectors feel that if Pflueger felt your company was getting successful and grabbing a piece of the tackle market, they would find a reason to bring up a Patent Infringement case against you. They were tough. The Atlapac reels are fine reels. I think they are more attractive on the inside than the outside. Really little works of art, especially when you consider they are production reels.
Glad to see you are getting deep. That is what I feel draws you into the hobby. It is so much more than simply filling your shelves with reels!
I have recently aquired a few more early Ocean City Reels....
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All are 6/0 reels...
From left to right...
-Orlando, Ca. 1930
this is not the early/first year (1929) reel, and does not appear to have been plated (1931-34)
It was the first 'Big Game' reel offered by OC, and very similar to the Joe Coxe (L.A.Coxe).
-Long Key 110 (450yd), Ca.1931
This is the first year, German silver model
Long Key 116? (500yd), ca. 1932-?
This is the middle aged production model that was plated, but had the early handle
Long Key 110 (450yd) ca. 1932-?
This is a later, but not last, iteration of this model, and had the new handle, with integral wrench, and newer (but not latest) freespool mechanism.
Hopefully Mike or someone can fill in some of the gaps in my knowledge on the Long Key model development.
John
I also have 2 early Balboa Reels...
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The unboxed reel is a Panama, 10/0 (later referred to as the no.120), Ca. 1937
It appears to be a first year model, with an early log Penn Log Knob handle. It has the old style star, drag, rotating harness lugs, and drag. This reel is rated to hold 600yds of no.24 thread (75lb test).
The boxed reel is a Panama, 12/0 (no.121), ca. Early 1937
This appears to be a transition reel since it has some characteristics depicted in the 1937 catalog (rotating harness lugs, star style, drag, oiler, handle arm), but it is badged (which did not appear until the 1938 catalog). Curiously the reel is lacking all of the other features depicted in the 1938 catalog. The handle knob has been replaced, and appears to have origionally belonged to a Coxe. This reel is rated to hold 750 yds of no. 24 thread (75lb test).
Maybe Mike can confirm that this is indeed a transition reel?
John
Very interesting group of old OC Big Game models. My favorite is the Orlando, the history on that particular is all subjective; but, that Joe Cox influence is definitely there. Great Bunch of reels.
I've never had an Ocean City reel, so, when I found these two examples, I had to have them. They are both identical in size to a Penn Long Beach 60. They are also trade reels with the New York Hardware Trading Co logo.
The first one has three pillars and a star drag. The reel foot is marked:
BLACK DIAMOND JUNIOR
250 YDS
NEW YORK HARDWARE TRADING CO
LOS ANGELES - PASADENA
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It has the diamond inlay of the NYHTC on the tail plate:
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It is interesting to see how it differs internally from a Penn. For those who aren't familiar with OC reels, on this model the main gear moves vertically to disengage from the pinion, unlike a Penn where the pinion moves horizontally to disengage from the spool. Also, the drag stack is a 2+1 configuration but seems to function as a 1+1. I suppose this is adequate on a LB 60 size reel. One other thing, the dog spring has a 90 degree twist on the end and doesn't effectively make contact with the dog, rendering it useless. Or, is the dog spring correct and am I assembling it wrong?
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The other reel doesn't have a star drag and reminds me of an old Penn 80 Conventional in size and function.
The reel foot is marked:
BLACK DIAMOND SPECIAL
250 YDS
NEW YORK HARDWARE TRADING CO
LOS ANGELES - PASADENA
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It also has the NYHTC diamond logo on the tail plate:
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Michael, I think it strongly resembles your photo and description of the Seal Beach 136.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on June 17, 2015, 01:14:06 AM
My fourth search is now a bit deeper. I am looking for a reasonable facsimile to the "All Coast". By the time I get to the 1938 I find it, a dead ringer for the "All Coast" reel. Only it is named the "Seal Beach"
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So's I post my info on Facebook and continue on with my day.
This is an example of how to loose your mind for awhile and it is also a neat learning experience. I knew that Ocean City sold their reels with Trade Accounts just like Penn did; but, I did not expect it. One never knows what he will get himself into when he just want to do a simple little favor for a stranger. ???
Cool reels Geaorge! is the diamond inlay or paited on?
nice to see you back on here pal.
George,
You are correct about the Seal Beach model. The other reel is a early, circa 1931 Bay City model.
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Internally should be relatively simple. I would think the anti-reverse dog spring is a simple bent left spring, unless your reel is a left hand model, the spring gets weird.
Sal, thanks for welcoming me back. I disappeared for about nine months, although I occasionally dropped in to see what you guys are up to. The diamond is an inlay. On the first reel it appears to be copper or brass. I'm not sure of the material on the second reel.
George
Quote from: Penn Chronology on July 12, 2016, 07:15:18 AM
George,
You are correct about the Seal Beach model. The other reel is a early, circa 1931 Bay City model.
Internally should be relatively simple. I would thin the anti-reverse dog spring is a simple bent left spring, unless your reel is a left hand model, the spring gets weird.
I only have a assembled bridge picture of the insides of the 1931 model.
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I expect this is the bridge in your reel. It is a pivoting bridge, which moves the main gear away from the pinion. I would think the anti-reverse dog travels with the bridge; but, I could be wrong. It has been a long time since I was inside one of these. It looks to me that the dog spring on your reel is straightened out, cannot really tell though, On a right hand drive reel the dog should be riding on the upper portion of the dog gear. If the reel is left hand drive, the dog is sprung up into the dog gear from the bottom of the gear. Weird ::) Depending on how the reel is driven will also dictate how the dog spring is shaped. Hope this helps, rather than confuses things..............<:O(
Michael, you're photo is identical to my bridge. I will straighten the dog spring, reinstall it, and see how it works.
Thanks for the info,
George
I just finished cleaning up the Seal Beach and took a photo of the tail plates of both reels. Notice the placement of the diamond inlays.
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Here is a photo of one of Michael's (aka Penn Chronology) reels. I borrowed this photo from one of his posts on "Show off Your Long Beach".
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I'm surprised that the diamond inlays aren't placed in a standardized position. They're all over the place. ???
These are great Trade Reels. Production Number are impossible; but, you really do not see too many of these around today.
I have a 1934 Penn Bridge City with the Diamond logo on the tail plate. New York Hardware Trading Company was not an Ocean City Exclusive. :)
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I do not think the markings are inlaid. My Penn Bridge City looks like a paint stamp marking. It is a very durable mark. They do not come off...
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Wish this one was mine. It is out there somewhere!
Mike, as you know, your third photo in the previous post is the head plate view of the OC reel shown below. I assumed that it was your reel. I stand corrected.
Quote from: George4741 on July 12, 2016, 08:22:03 AM
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After careful examination, I'm sure the diamond on my Bay City is an inlay. I'm not so sure of the diamond on the Seal Beach.
QuoteAfter careful examination, I'm sure the diamond on my Bay City is an inlay. I'm not so sure of the diamond on the Seal Beach
The Bay City is an older reel than the Seal Beach or my Penn Bridge City for that matter. Being that it is older may explain why its diamond is inlaid. Also the Bay City is a more expensive reel than the Seal Beach or Penn Bridge City. I have never seen one that was a real inlay. I have owned a couple of these. Sold them all except the Bridge City, all of mine were not inlaid, although you have to look close. It is not easy to tell the difference.
Well that was exciting...
http://m.ebay.com/itm/282099177998
Guess I will have to wait a little longer for the missing piece of my OC Long Key grouping... went for a little more then I have budgeted for this one :)
Here's proof magging reels goes way back. I always thought it started in the 70's...hmmm...humbled again! :-\
QuoteHere's proof magging reels goes way back. I always thought it started in the 70's...hmmm...humbled again
Great reel. The Inductor was introduced in 1949.
I think this Reel is an Ocean City reel, JC Higgins 311.3171 it was also my grandfathers. From what I gather it's not very valuable but would look cool cleaned up an on an old rod, what do you think?
Looks like an Ocean City, Angeleno model. Not much value here. Clean it up and keep it in memory of your grandfather.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on August 20, 2016, 10:33:00 PM
Looks like an Ocean City, Angeleno model. Not much value here. Clean it up and keep it in memory of your grandfather.
Looks like there may be a few inexpensive reels on eBay to supply parts like another handle, etc.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=higgins&_sop=15&_osacat=1492&_ipg=200&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xhiggins+311.TRS0&_nkw=higgins+311&_sacat=1492 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=higgins&_sop=15&_osacat=1492&_ipg=200&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xhiggins+311.TRS0&_nkw=higgins+311&_sacat=1492)
Thanks guys I figured that. :)
Hi, this is my first post on here but figured I would throw in some pictures of this Ocean city 1600. Cant find much info on the freshwater reels they produced. I picked it up from a guy on craigslist for 20 bucks, came seated on a no name 6ft aluminum rod, I may try to refurb the rod as well. The owner of the pole did save the original guides that he broke off how ever many years ago,
Alex
QuoteHi, this is my first post on here but figured I would throw in some pictures of this Ocean city 1600. Cant find much info on the freshwater reels they produced. I picked it up from a guy on craigslist for 20 bucks, came seated on a no name 6ft aluminum rod, I may try to refurb the rod as well. The owner of the pole did save the original guides that he broke off how ever many years ago,
Can't help with the rod. The reel was introduced in the Ocean City 1949 catalog. Here is a scan from the catalog:
If you need OCEAN CITY PARTS . . . This might interest you !
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ocean-City-Reel-Part-Antique-New-Old-Stock-Lot-/371810210745 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ocean-City-Reel-Part-Antique-New-Old-Stock-Lot-/371810210745)
Tight Lines !
Just came in,,is this 150yd rare
QuoteJust came in,,is this 150yd rare
It is not rare. The model is common; but, the fact that it is a Ocean City Schultz Trade reel makes it desirable to the specialty collector.
Thanks again for your help :D
I just finished restoring a Miesselbach SeaLine#74 w/the unique handle thumb screw drag cam. Ca. 1931-34.
It is a 300yard quick Take-a-part german silver reel that was only $11 at the time.
Before pics on listing..
http://m.ebay.com/itm/112262929882
Excellent job John, what a beauty. Enjoy it!
This is the first time I used a diluted HCL acid soak and run in the sonic clearer on a badly corroded spool where the linen line had fused to the arbor. I was impressed with the result.
Nice reel John, and unusual too. How does the thumb screw work?
I've been using dry pickling powder from a jewelers supply. Just scoop some into the tank. Cheaper than vinegar and easier to handle than muriatic/HCl. It also has a yellow indicator dye so you can roughly judge the strength of the solution by eye.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on January 22, 2017, 09:35:56 AM
Nice reel John, and unusual too. How does the thumb screw work?
I've been using dry pickling powder from a jewelers supply. Just scoop some into the tank. Cheaper than vinegar and easier to handle than muriatic/HCl. It also has a yellow indicator dye so you can roughly judge the strength of the solution by eye.
-steve
I may have to give that pickling powder thing a try. I bet it smells alot better then HCL.
I dissambled the headplate again, took a few more pictures of the drag stack and handle cam mechanism, and provided an explaination here.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13553.30
John
I can't believe how well that spool cleaned up...great work John! 8)
Beautiful job on that reel John. Also, great job explaining the drag control. I will look for one of those in the future.
I got a package from ORCA member John Elder today.
An OC inductor in beautiful condition, and a ca.1950 first version D.A.M. 250 spinning reel.
Super stoked!
Now to find the box and paperwork for the Inductor.
Holy Buckets...I love the Inductor! Maybe someday I'll luck into one, great score John! 8)
Love the Inductor--Model 250. Have had this one in my collection for many years. Cannot seem to part with it.
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Very nice reel. I particularly enjoyed reading the description of the Alnico magnet cast control. Alnico magnets have been around since the early 1930's. Mike, do you happen know an introductory date for the Inductor? Does this appear to be the first magnetic cast control system? John, when/if you go inside could you get some dimensions of the magnets for us. Thanks,
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on March 21, 2017, 09:31:59 AM
... know an introductory date for the Inductor? Does this appear to be the first magnetic cast control system?
More info for ya. I remember discussing this a few years back.
http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/331776-ocean-city-255-antique-mag-reel-question/?hl=inductor#entry4731670
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Thank you very much Robert. Just what I needed. The Inductor levelwind model looks like an interesting piece of work too.
-steve
QuoteMike, do you happen know an introductory date for the Inductor?
The Inductor--Model 250, pictured in this thread was introduced in 1949.
It could have been done ten to fifteen years earlier. Wonder what took 'em so long?
-steve
QuoteIt could have been done ten to fifteen years earlier. Wonder what took 'em so long?
-steve
15 years earlier than 1949? In the early 1930's I do not believe they were magging reels. Especially Ocean City, they were busy buying out every company they could at that time.
I was just saying that Lenz's Law was there, Alnico magnets were there, permanent magnet motors and electromagnetism in general was a hot topic. The materials and knowledge were just waiting for someone to apply it to a fishing reel.
-steve
QuoteI was just saying that Lenz's Law was there, Alnico magnets were there, permanent magnet motors and electromagnetism in general was a hot topic. The materials and knowledge were just waiting for someone to apply it to a fishing reel.
I agree, the invention was simply waiting to be invented..................<:O)
My first Ocean City Cradle arrived all the way from Australia yesterday. It is a 4/0 size cradle with a 604 reel (an 804 might be more period correct?), and came with the all important collet (marked 'A 1'?). Now to find the correct Montague rod tip (A 706-6oz,709-9oz, or 712-12oz).
Any tips here would be appreciated :)
A few more pics, and 2 pages from the 1950 catalog...
Nice looking cradle John !! That was a hard find and for me the rod is even harder !! I have a new in the box 804 and I have been looking for a rod for a few years with no luck as those small bamboo rod were pretty fragile ! It looks like yours has a really long wooden butt !! Longer than usual ?? Cradle looks mint and you have the little shim adapter for fitting multiple rod ferrules. Really nice !!!! I will post pics of my 4/0 tomorrow after the Patriots win the game !! Lol !! John Taylor
Another thing John don't think that being a 604 instead of an 804 makes it wrong or incorrect !! You could purchase just cradle alone from OC and I am sure a lot of people that already had the reels did just that ! Good luck finding a tip ! John Taylor
Great find John!
Here is the Ocean City 4/0 cradle NIB it is one of my best finds and I thank Brian "Oceanreels"" for letting it go !!
Notice the letter explaining that the guy won the cradle in 1948. Thanks for looking. John Taylor
A few more pictures. Thanks John Taylor
There's lots of info about Iddings. Sounds like a colorful dude.
-steve
its nice to have found this thread, I just got a old ocean city 1600 all beatup and I though I have a cheapo/non valuable reel (like those made by sears, etc long time ago), a good old friend had it laying on a tool/reel parts box and I asked if he wanted to sell it to me, he just gave it to me NC, I know its not a expensive collector item but finding the history of those reels in this thread just gave it a good value to me and it automatically became a piece in my really small old reels collection (just some reel in my office desk, which are my only non-fishable shelf reels)
the new addition OC1600 needs lots of TLC asap to make it look bit better.
nice big graphic on the side, cool old everyman reel
nice mustang too, 350gt?
QuoteYou could purchase just cradle alone from OC and I am sure a lot of people that already had the reels did just that !
Hello John,
I did not think Ocean City ever sold the cradle alone. All I have ever seen is the 800 series offered in the cradle reels. The 800 numbered big game reels originated in the cradle reels before the war and before the 600 series big game reels existed.
If you have any documentation about cradles being sold separately, I would love to see it.
Best;
Mike C.
Hi Mike
I know you and I have talked about this before and I am not arguing the fact that the 800 series was around before the 600 series that's fact. I also know I have posted this page out of an Ocean City catalog before so I know your familiar with it and I just noticed this morning that 804 cradle parts were not shown on this list. I also looked at a few other year catalogs and the 804 was not there I don't know why ?? All I am saying is that because that cradle of John's has an 604 badge doesn't make it "incorrect"!!
The catalog pictured did offer cradle parts partial and complete "except for 804" and it has prices that go with them all which tells me they could be purchased. So after the 600 series came out why couldn't some one buy a cradle to fit there 600 series reel and if they did that the badge would be the only thing different !!! Actually only one number in the badge was different "8 vs 6" so in my mind it is still period correct. You can also see on John's cradle the butt seems extra long. Factory maybe not ?? I haven't seen one that long but it probably fit who ever owned it's fishing application. That's what people did back then and some still do to make things work !
All I am saying is in my mind a cradle with a 600 badge on doesn't make it wrong when parts were available and interchangeable. Mike I can also see where your coming from so I will say no more !! Lol !! John Taylor You could always put a rivet through the 8 Lol !!!!! That's another story.
QuoteHi Mike
I know you and I have talked about this before and I am not arguing the fact that the 800 series was around before the 600 series that's fact. I also know I have posted this page out of an Ocean City catalog before so I know your familiar with it and I just noticed this morning that 804 cradle parts were not shown on this list. I also looked at a few other year catalogs and the 804 was not there I don't know why ?? All I am saying is that because that cradle of John's has an 604 badge doesn't make it "incorrect"!!
The catalog pictured did offer cradle parts partial and complete "except for 804" and it has prices that go with them all which tells me they could be purchased. So after the 600 series came out why couldn't some one buy a cradle to fit there 600 series reel and if they did that the badge would be the only thing different !!! Actually only one number in the badge was different "8 vs 6" so in my mind it is still period correct. You can also see on John's cradle the butt seems extra long. Factory maybe not ?? I haven't seen one that long but it probably fit who ever owned it's fishing application. That's what people did back then and some still do to make things work !
All I am saying is in my mind a cradle with a 600 badge on doesn't make it wrong when parts were available and interchangeable. Mike I can also see where your coming from so I will say no more !! Lol !! John Taylor You could always put a rivet through the 8 Lol !!!!! That's another story.
This Illustrated Parts Brochure slipped my mind. Of course you are correct. The cradles were offered independently as a item. I always thought of these brochures as parts lists. I guess I never thought of them as a place a customer would go to buy just a cradle that he would custom build himself; but, why not? Cannot agree or disagree with that fact.
In my opinion, you cannot find the 804 cradle in the 1950's because I believe Ocean City used them up. I suspect that these cradles were ordered in large batches and at some point Ocean City stopped ordering them. If you look in the later years of the cradle reel offerings in the catalogs, not the brochures, the 804 and 806 disappeared from the catalogs. I feel that happened because the stock to put together complete 4/0 and 6/0 units was used up. That is possibly why Ocean City started offering the parts. I could be wrong about this because it is conjecture; but, I feel it makes sense.
When I look at a OC cradle reel and see a 600 series reel in the cradle, I see it as a cradle rig with a replacement reel in it. Does that make it incorrect, not really; but, if I was asked to put an estimated value on a OC Cradle rig with a 600 series reel installed in the cradle, that would lower the value of the rig in my estimate, simply because no catalog ever offered the rig that way. To me, a OC cradle rig should have a 800 series reel in it, even though the only difference is the data plate on the head plate of the reel.................... But, who knows, maybe OC ran out of 800 data plates and rather than make more, used 600 plates instead on the rigs........... Stranger things have happened.
I have seen OC cradle rigs with the long rod butt. I assumed that the owner changed to the longer butt because of personal preference. I do not believe OC ever marketed them that way or even offered a longer butt as an option. I know that OC purposely used only a screw mount for the rod butt to allow for a 90 degree rotation of the butt if the gimbal on your boat did not match the single slot orientation of the butt tip provided by OC.
Yes John, we have probably discussed this before and I am more than likely being redundant on some of my opinions. I reserve that "Right of Redundancy" because I am getting old and that fact alone allows me to forget things and / or repeat things. At least age gives me the excuse for forgetfulness, lately my Senior Moments seem to be occurring more often than in the past............................<:O(
Mike if I had two OC cradles in new condition any size and one had a 600 badge and the other had an 800 badge I would pick the 800 !! Lol !!!! John Taylor
Quote from: 54bullseye on March 22, 2018, 10:05:40 PM
Mike if I had two OC cradles in new condition any size and one had a 600 badge and the other had an 800 badge I would pick the 800 !! Lol !!!! John Taylor
Good information here guys.
And here I was hoping soneone might come forward an offer me an 800 for my 600 ;)
John
Quote from: Tightlines666 on March 22, 2018, 11:02:13 PM
Quote from: 54bullseye on March 22, 2018, 10:05:40 PM
Mike if I had two OC cradles in new condition any size and one had a 600 badge and the other had an 800 badge I would pick the 800 !! Lol !!!! John Taylor
Good information here guys.
And here I was hoping soneone might come forward an offer me an 800 for my 600 ;)
John
Okay John PM me what you want for it !! Thanks John Taylor
An older lookin Ocean City "JONES BEACH". Supported in 2 pics. by the common and kinda futuristic looking, late 40's "1600". No anti-reverse and no drag star for the Jones Beach, but its gotta good functioning free-spool and clicker. Also no letters or numbers anywhere on the sideplate.
A 993 with the green spool (looks like anodized aluminium).
Nice ones Greg. Trolling with a 160 would be interesting/difficult but both of those will probably still cast well and shore fish the same as always. I haven't shore fished in recent years but am thinking about taking up dunking just to have an excuse to use the equipment.
-steve
This popped up on ORCA today. The rear post is different.
http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21306 (http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21306)
-steve
More. "L B's" 112. Love the handle lock nut unit on these O.C.'s.
The 250yd. "St. Lucie". Imina fish this'un. I like that these reels have a standard 3 screw stand for 250yd. sizes and the simi-automatic eccentric is hard to beat
A Pflueger CAPITOL No-1985. A, for the most part, well made conventional. Quick take-apart feature with post knobs on one side to hold the head-plate. A tough made eccentric/free-spool system. The pinion has a interesting gear attached to it which meshes with it's twin on the spool. The pinion's large, the main's relatively small for a 2.5:1 ratio. The spool bushing's function great. Needs some kinda lock for the handle nut. The metal parts on this puppy are pretty thick for the most part. The frame is all posts, using 2 heavy duty ones for the stand---not the strongest way to do it. This'un could probably work as a 30lb. reel, but would be better suited to 20-25lb. duty.
Quote from: oc1 on June 20, 2018, 08:09:56 PM
This popped up on ORCA today. The rear post is different.
http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21306 (http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21306)
-steve
Thanks "Brah". Interesting info. O.C.'s got names with no numbers on some and numbers with no name on others.
That time a year for me. Extended vacation stay in the SF bay area at the wife's house. Thankfully, I been on 2 "cattle boat" trips with my son, and I have a hide-away corner a the garage and a pile of my brothers reel collection to go through. Escaping "domestic bliss" and loud female chirping(in mandarin) is keeping me sane.
Im not a reel collector by any means but found this reel on a flea market, it needs a deep clean-up service and look the antireverse since the handle goes backwards, other than that it looks pretty good, it would be a nice company for the smaller ocean city 1600 baitcaster
I like it!
Careful Alex. You could be on a dangerous path. :) :) :)
-steve
Can anyone give me some info on this Ocean City 993 I saw in a antique store....... I thought I read somewhere that Ocean City reels were the precursor to Penn reels, is that true?
Pj
QuoteCan anyone give me some info on this Ocean City 993 I saw in a antique store....... I thought I read somewhere that Ocean City reels were the precursor to Penn reels, is that true?
First question. The Ocean City Model 993 carried a Model name of the Hampton Beach. It was introduced in 1942 and stayed in production until 1956. Very popular reel.
Second question. When you say "precursor" to Penn reels you can be sort of correct. Ocean City became known by the Ocean City name in 1922, basically 10 years earlier than Penn. Penn was founded by Otto Henze, who worked for Ocean City in the 1920's. But, technically, the two companies were competitors. So the answer is yes and no......<:O)
Your combo looks like it'ed be a good "don't even clean it up" wall hanger.
Quote from: oc1 on December 09, 2018, 04:35:43 AM
Careful Alex. You could be on a dangerous path. :) :) :)
-steve
ooh Steve amigo, I know Im alredy in the danger zone
its easy just to take the wallet and buy a new shiny reel, but is more satistactory to find this old gems, restore them and fish them.
I found this on a local Craigslist. I would categorize it as " other old reel " not a clue as to name or age but it's an odd one...
Looks like it retrieves from the underside of the reel. A lefty to boot ...
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Cool
Oh wow that's pretty cool! Homemade?
Wow. The frame, stand & crank look homemade. Maybe the spool & gears, etc. came from a complete reel and the guy modified it, but why? It looks like a pretty big spool.
Do you have it Cool'?
I didn't buy the setup so I'm just looking at the pic like y'all... the upper part looks manufactured (maybe cast) but the thin base that fastens the reel to the rod looks fabricated. Along with that bent wire that looks like it might some how manage the line. It also appears to be direct drive with no drag. It's about 40 miles away from me so not close enough for me to just go take a look. I mean it's not like a 14/0 for $150 ... I would and did travel for that one.
Cool
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A left hand reel , that explains it . The stick looks interesting !
Looking at the handle, gearing, and line lay, it looks like a right handed, "underslung" reel.
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 13, 2019, 02:10:28 PM
Looking at the handle, gearing, and line lay, it looks like a right handed, "underslung" reel.
I thought the same thing... it appears to be direct drive so using it underslung I think you would have to turn the handle counterclockwise. I might be wrong. strange bird !
Hmmm, the more I look at it ... it might be an underslung setup.
Cool
I see two gears so it appears clockwise crank
Quote from: 1badf350 on February 13, 2019, 03:08:15 PM
I see two gears so it appears clockwise crank
I'm inclined to agree...
Cool
I've seen a couple of these listed in this post. Thought I'd show mine. I do not know a lot
about the Ocean City line but the reel just seems like quality build in my hands. I would
appreciate if someone could give me a time frame for the build on this reel. I do know that
this reel could be put right back to work today. Everything works . Clean up , grease, and lube
was enjoyable. I did not take it to "show ready" but is easy on the eyes. Might just have to
seek out some of the earlier Ocean City's.
late edit... re-read the entire posting... it appears some iteration of the 112 was available as
early as 1935. For much of its' production it appears to have included "Bay City" on the tag/box.
My reel is of more recent production. Value range in the "$25" on a good day for reels like
mine... mint (boxed) warrant $50-$75. A well made reel, not necessarily drawing much collector
interest... decent quality. Thanks to all that shared the knowledge.
Charles
https://imgur.com/a/VA2lqVJ
Quoteate edit... re-read the entire posting... it appears some iteration of the 112 was available as
early as 1935. For much of its' production it appears to have included "Bay City" on the tag/box.
The earliest catalog offering of the Bay City is in the 1931 Ocean City catalog. I have brochures from earlier dates but they do not show a Model 112, Bay City reel. Here it is in the 1931 catalog.
QuoteI've seen a couple of these listed in this post. Thought I'd show mine. I do not know a lot
about the Ocean City line but the reel just seems like quality build in my hands. I would
appreciate if someone could give me a time frame for the build on this reel. I do know that
this reel could be put right back to work today. Everything works . Clean up , grease, and lube
was enjoyable. I did not take it to "show ready" but is easy on the eyes. Might just have to
seek out some of the earlier Ocean City's.
Your reel is a right before the war edition. Here it is in the 1942 catalog.
Penn Chronology...
Wow ! Thank you very much. I enjoy the history almost as much as I enjoy the reel ! I hope
it is ok that I saved your photos to my archive... I will keep them personal. Really appreciate
your sharing the background. Thanks again. (I led sheltered childhood... only Penn's in our stable
growing up (Sea of Cortez).... maybe the Ocean City line was more of an East Coast market) ?
Great site, great info.
Charles
QuotePenn Chronology...
Wow ! Thank you very much. I enjoy the history almost as much as I enjoy the reel ! I hope
it is ok that I saved your photos to my archive... I will keep them personal. Really appreciate
your sharing the background. Thanks again. (I led sheltered childhood... only Penn's in our stable
growing up (Sea of Cortez).... maybe the Ocean City line was more of an East Coast market) ?
Great site, great info.
Charles
Hello Charles,
Ocean City had a wide market; but, they basically sold out in 1957 to True Temper and eventually faded away. So it has probably been about close to 60 years since they were available in a retail environment. I have made a study of the brand. The company had a long run and is basically is the father of the Penn Company.
Anyways, always glad to help with historic info. No problem with you saving the photos. This is a public site meant to work with and help out each other.
Best, Mike C.
Mike,
Great stuff.... I was unaware of the True Temper connection. Most of my vintage hand
tools adze, axe, shovels, sledges, etc. seem to hold True Temper logos. Use to be considered
good quality... but, I think primarily offshore now. By any chance would you happen to have
an "exploded view" of my era Ocean City 112 ? Thanks again.... I appreciate the "back story".
Charles
QuoteMike,
Great stuff.... I was unaware of the True Temper connection. Most of my vintage hand
tools adze, axe, shovels, sledges, etc. seem to hold True Temper logos. Use to be considered
good quality... but, I think primarily offshore now. By any chance would you happen to have
an "exploded view" of my era Ocean City 112 ? Thanks again.... I appreciate the "back story".
Charles
I think this is your reel. It is an exploded view of the 112 "D" model which must be very close to what you models is structurally. The Model 112 did not change very much from the inception of your model. I do not have all the exploded views, so I cannot see when the model upgrades happened. The exploded view I provided is probably about 1958. It is the True Temper version of the reel. You can tell that by the spool flange groves and the fact that the integral handle wrench is not used by True Temper.
Sorry; but, no matter how I turn this photo, it is insisting on staying on its side.
Thank you very much. Just what I was looking for. I really appreciate the assistance Sir.
Charles
QuoteInsert Quote
Thank you very much. Just what I was looking for. I really appreciate the assistance Sir.
My pleasure.. Always happy to contribute.
Hey guys, Does anyone have the schematics for an OC 6/0 6061? I'm soaking one in vinegar right now and I'm hoping I can get some direction to finish this reel.
Also, can I put some cf drag washers in it? I know nothing about these reels. Any help is greatly appreciated!!! Darin
There is 3 pages here .. https://www.reelschematic.com/reel-schematics/ocean-city-reel-schematics/#gsc.tab=0
I have to order some cf sheets , then i will try to increase the stack.
Thank you Joe, I haven't done cf sheets myself yet, I need to look into it some more ;D
Good Day!
I have question in regards of Ocean City FAR KAST reels.
I got one on ebay. Reel looks good, but I dont understand how it works.
I was unable to find any videos on YouTube,
Thank you
This is what i have for the far cast. https://www.fishingtalks.com/ocean-city-casting-reel-with-anti-backlash-model-32310.html
Quote from: oldmanjoe on March 20, 2019, 08:55:32 PM
This is what i have for the far cast. https://www.fishingtalks.com/ocean-city-casting-reel-with-anti-backlash-model-32310.html
Thank you
Far Kast models are great collectibles. Here is a rare flyer that really high lights them.
Just think this was very funny first episode,,,,, :D old salt or ocean city?,,,,,,, ;D
I bought this 70 yr old OC 922, this is how I found it. I had never seen one before. Did take the sides off to see if it needed any maintenance, nope! I continue to be impressed with the 'older' OC reels. This one will fish. RC
QuoteI continue to be impressed with the 'older' OC reels.
They are great old reels and very interesting mechanically. There are some very innovative build styles with internals that represent some very interesting engineering.
Clean up a ocean city 612 (true temper) the other day it was in poor condition, but I was impressed built to last ,all steel gears, double bar's,and a big drag. One question I have Mike mentions that the 14/0 and 16/0 had different size drag washer this 12/0 has the same set up.???
The set up is the same but the sizes are different. The outside diameter of a 12/0 drag cup is 1 9/16 inches. A 16/0 drag cup outside diameter is 2 inches. Big difference.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on September 04, 2020, 08:27:22 PM
The set up is the same but the sizes are different. The outside diameter of a 12/0 drag cup is 1 9/16 inches. A 16/0 drag cup outside diameter is 2 inches. Big difference.
Mike ive got 610s and 612s with noticeably different size drag cups. The later models, even pre True Temper, have the same 2" size drag cups as the 614 and 616. The earlier 610 and 612 has the 1 9/16 drag cup.
1) left to right 610 to 616 showing same size drag cups and handles
2) 612 and 614 with same size drag cups and handles
3 and 4) earlier 612 next to later 612 showing the difference in drag cup and handle size (length)
Later in their run, the 610 and 612 shared the same size drag cups and handles as the 614 and 616. The earlier versions had smaller drag cups and shorter handles.
They look great Chris, interesting, & thank you to Kim, cheers Don.
Thanks Mike and Chris I tried to look up some pictures of the reel but they don't show the drag set up clearly. Chris they are good photos you can see the difference thanks for posting. Mike, I would like to get a copy of the ocean city reels book can I order it for you?I will post my small collection of ocean city reels on here soon .
Kim
I just picked up a yard sale Big Game 6051. Overall I'm pretty impressed with the reel. There are things that I would consider an improvement on the Penns of the same vintage.
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Ocean City book is available from Whitefish Press
http://whitefishpress.com/bookdetail/249
I have a small conventional Ocean City, I got it with some Mitchel stuff at a yard sale, I believe it's a 1500 ,it works and is wound with what looks like black linen braid,I'll have to dig it out and send photos.I'm a Mitchell guy but I'm also a Penn guy too I own a bunch of each and still swear by my Mitchell 300's I have newer stuff,but the 300's are every bit as good and the Penns,?, artwork,beauty and still usable,I rework them,present project a 285,and a Senator.
i got 3 ocean city reels on ebay at the moment.
They would make a lovely project or 2 or maybe provide some useful parts
Just picked up an old OC free spool. Unusual handle that says Governor.
:) That is a nice find . I would like to see the followup pictures after a clean up ...
I couldn't resist taking the handle apart. Now I know why it looks like it does. The top plate is concave so it pops up as you remove the screws. There's a free hub inside with friction washers on both sides. A little insurance for your main gear.
Handle side cleaned up. I think the frame will take about a week... When I was cleaning the handle a date appeared on the back. I'm guessing it's a patent date
Jan. 14. '02
Beautiful restore job on a solid old OC, Ourford —-
A little black paint or Ebony black stain can be worked into the crank knob —- then a little polishing or clear can be applied afterwards.
I generally like to do some black ebony stain first so it soaks into and stabilizes the knob somewhat —- then a thin coat of black enamel either lightly brushed or sprayed.
Best, Fred
Thanks Fred. The knob isn't wood. Not sure what kind of pre plastic it is but it looks fragile. I just need to find a few missing screws and it will be set.
That German silver sure looks Purdy after a good cleaning. Well done sir!
Unique handle/drag.
Nice find and restoration.
Best,
Dom
Thanks Dom. I'm starting to like tinkering with reels older than me.
Beautiful job on that one Ourford!
Thanks Jim. I did a little research and found that the handle is a Rabbeth Governor drag handle. I couldn't put the darn thing down till I finished cleaning it. I'm impressed with the freespool. 25 seconds with marine grease and no fiddling. I have to find a few missing screws to finish.
Nice job ourford! But it's worrying me a bit. I have one of these and I don't think I can come close to cleaning that G. Silver like you have. What did you use?
Also, what is the model name and number? Would it be "governor"?
The reel model is Ocean City. This is a Moskowitz and Herbach reel before Ocean City Reel Co. It doesn't even have a yardage number. The handle is an aftermarket item. It's a Governor by Rabbeth. I completely disassembled the reel. I used Brasso on the crusty layer and then Simichrome to finish. The frame is tedious, the flat plate not so much. On the spool and the posts, I slid a piece of drinking straw over the shafts to protect them and put them in a cordless drill. Just use a rag with the brasso held against the surface of the spool while it's spinning. Same with the posts one half at a time. Saves a lot of work.
I slid a piece of drinking straw over the shafts to protect them and put them in a cordless drill. Just use a rag with the brasso held against the surface of the spool while it's spinning. Same with the posts one half at a time. Saves a lot of work.
Brilliant! I'll be using this...
Kal
Thanks Vic. That helps. Mine's a prolly a later version. Need a tail-plate bushing cover/adjuster. Someone put what looks like a metal Schrader valve(bicycle tire)cap on it and the spool shaft jiggles around a tiny bit.now I'm wondering what "steel pivot" means?
May do a break-down of the construction, I'm impressed!
Nice reel G. Should clean up nice. I'd like to see the drag arrangement on your reel. From what I've read on ORCA, pivots are what we know as bearings. Seems steel creates more friction, but lasts longer than brass or bronze.
The drag/gear sleeve/ brake-plate, etc.
note the tiny oblong square shaped part. The drag spacer and gear sleeve are slotted for this piece to key the two together.
I think there are more washers below the one shown inside the main gear, but I'm certain I'll damage that top one trying to get it out. They're made of some kinda Penn-looking, fiber-like material. Tap on picture to enlarge.
I love old Penn's, but I really think the O.C.'s I've looked at(pre - 50's)are better built.
Question; did, and when did, O.C. Start putting in gear systems in that were higher than 2.5:1?
Godda show the really impressive post frame unit here. 3 posts are riveted into both rings on either side. Also there are 6 threaded holes in each post end to attach the side-plates and add even more strength. On top of that, there is a 3-screw/side stand that is approximately 1/3 the circumference of the side-plates, on a relatively small conventional.
Thanks G. Big difference from the free spools. Reel design is fascinating. I agree about the older OC reels. I think they were more quality oriented. I found some screws and an old Montague Somers Point rod to put the reel on. I doubt it's a relevant pairing, but it's ok for now.