Hello, Dawn! :)
I am interested in acquiring some Delrin washers for my rebuilds, and mention has been made that they are now available from smoothdrag.com, but I can't seem to find a list of various sizes on your website. Am I being denser than usual? ???
Thanks!
~A~
Give Dawn a call, she will take care of you.
They aren't on the list. I used to include them with the Smoothie washer kits, before Carbontex
This is what I have:
Penn 500, 140, 113H, 114H
Daiwa 27H, 30H/50H/400H, 600H/900H.
Abu C3 C4 and related models.
Dawn
Thanks again Dawn, this will save me from making the cutter cut "standard" ones. How thick are yours?
Quote from: Keta on March 14, 2015, 03:14:53 PM
Thanks again Dawn, this will save me from making the cutter cut "standard" ones. How thick are yours?
Good question Lee. I'm not really fond of cutting these myself. Dawn, this will make life alot easier for me.??
The Penn ones are .030.
The Daiwa are .020
Abu .020
Thanks Dawn, are you considering cutting Penn washer in .020"?
Are these Deltin washers used under the main gear, or somewhere else in the drag stack?
Speedwagon2
Quote from: speedwagon2 on March 18, 2015, 10:09:04 PM
Are these Deltin washers used under the main gear, or somewhere else in the drag stack?
Speedwagon2
Under the gear, on top of the stack and I like to put one between the spacer and the star.
Lee, not right now.
They are all .50 each.
Quote from: Keta on March 18, 2015, 10:31:42 PM
Quote from: speedwagon2 on March 18, 2015, 10:09:04 PM
Are these Deltin washers used under the main gear, or somewhere else in the drag stack?
Speedwagon2
Under the gear, on top of the stack and I like to put one between the spacer and the star.
Lee,
What thickness of Delrin are you using for under the gear, top of the stack and between the spacer and star?
Leo
.020" and .030" depending on the space available. Adam's inserts and an open gear will allow 3 .030" washers. The current 349H I'm building does not have enough room to use a .030" under the gear.
.030" are of the same exact thickness as stock penn washers for under the gear. Some like to use .020" to get a little more room with the star, or if you're adding another on top.
No matter which configuration you have on your drag stack, as long as the last eared washer is sitting flush with the lip of the main gear, you would never have problems with clearance, using the .030".
If that eared washer is sitting just a little above the lip or below, you will still be good.
I do use the .020" myself, but I feel more comfortable using the .030" on larger reels, they should both do good though.
I personally have not noticed any additional smoothness with the star by using an Acetal right under it, I use one Acetal under the gear and one as the last washer right under the spring washer. It doesn't matter is that top Acetal washer is under the spacer or above, it would work the same.
Good responses Lee and Sal. Cleared up a lot of questions I've had.
Forgot one, delrin for the Calcutta 400, .040 thick
hello,
I am using Delrin washers under the main gear on several of my Newell's with Bryan's hotrod drag stacks. Has anyone tried a Delrin washer under the spring washer, or maybe on top of the spring washer in a Newell? I like the Delrin under the main gear, the initial drag is very smooth. I don't think I have lost any drag, but have not tested to find out. Bryans brakes add so much drag, I have plenty to spare.
Note that I use Carbontex drag washers in many of my drag kits because they are the best available.
I have noticed the usual in the know people appear to be divided on this topic. Any final thoughts?
Honestly, I just have not tried them yet to determine if, for me it's go or no-go.
I've been super busy, and I though I would have a chance today, but a reel that I though would be fixed in 2 hours took me 9 hours to get it right... A bit of customization of parts and a lot of trial and error...and now I can honestly say, I HATE fixing John Baker reels with the push button and spring lever release gear transmission system... But it's all good...reel is working like a champ. Whew...I was about to give up. And this was my 3rd session to try to fix the reel. Persistence paid off this time.
anyway, I digress. I just got some material from Lee, so I'm going to punch them out and try them on a few reels then off to the park I got to run like an idiot pulling the drags until they are hot and see how it does with the heat of a running fish...or fat man in my case. Stay tuned.
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 29, 2015, 06:33:15 AM
Honestly, I just have not tried them yet to determine if, for me it's go or no-go.
I've been super busy, and I though I would have a chance today, but a reel that I though would be fixed in 2 hours took me 9 hours to get it right... A bit of customization of parts and a lot of trial and error...and now I can honestly say, I HATE fixing John Baker reels with the push button and spring lever release gear transmission system... But it's all good...reel is working like a champ. Whew...I was about to give up. And this was my 3rd session to try to fix the reel. Persistence paid off this time.
anyway, I digress. I just got some material from Lee, so I'm going to punch them out and try them on a few reels then off to the park I got to run like an idiot pulling the drags until they are hot and see how it does with the heat of a running fish...or fat man in my case. Stay tuned.
honestly the delrin with PTFE has a noticeable difference.
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 29, 2015, 06:33:15 AM
...a reel that I though would be fixed in 2 hours took me 9 hours to get it right..Persistence paid off this time.
I feel.your suffering Bryan. I spent 9hrs on what was essentially/typically a 2hr job a few nights ago. Hope the 3 reels I've got dissassembled right now will gotogether smoothly tmrw.
Quote from: speedwagon2 on March 22, 2015, 04:34:14 PM
hello,
I am using Delrin washers under the main gear on several of my Newell's with Bryan's hotrod drag stacks. Has anyone tried a Delrin washer under the spring washer, or maybe on top of the spring washer in a Newell? I like the Delrin under the main gear, the initial drag is very smooth. I don't think I have lost any drag, but have not tested to find out. Bryans brakes add so much drag, I have plenty to spare.
To make the stack fit in the reel nicely I used .020 delrin under the gear and under the bellevile on top of the drag stack. Works very smooth and very strong. No drag lost at all. Just runs smoother.
Quote from: Brendan on March 29, 2015, 03:12:32 AM
I have noticed the usual in the know people appear to be divided on this topic. Any final thoughts?
Brendan, if you think about how the reel works for just a minute, you should be able to answer your own question.
The washer for under the gear should help the gear spin smoothly and not adding friction.
Some are combining the two, these should not. The washers in the stack and the one under the gear have different functions... as they should.
The best solution is for you to try it for yourself and let us know if you feel the difference.
It should be noticeable just by testing the reel in your hands, but really noticeable when fishing with it.
To me, an Acetal/Delrin washer is one of the best upgrade we have available., for those of you that claim the carbon washer is a better choice, that's fine too, whatever floats your boat ;).
Sal
i,ve also been using the delrin in the tension cap
better than those copper ones that the shaft deforms
cheers
yeah, i still use carbon fiber. :-\
Quote from: alantani on March 30, 2015, 05:15:20 AM
yeah, i still use carbon fiber. :-\
Quote from: Bryan Young on March 30, 2015, 05:35:39 AM
Quote from: alantani on March 30, 2015, 05:15:20 AM
yeah, i still use carbon fiber. :-\
Me too... ;D
The best solution is for you to try it for yourself and let us know if you feel the difference. ;D
Sal
You know you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. ;D ;)
I will never look back
I was just thinking of the system in a Newell and since we are looking at slick smoothness in the system above and below the stack the thought that I have is to cut a delrin washer the size of the heavy Newell drag spacer. I will place it between the spacer and the Belleville. It will not affect the drag stack height in a manner that would bump the side plate but may have to remove the 3-18 washer if I run out of star space. If we get the new SS stars made then this will not be an issue at all. Just Thinking!!
Just put Delrin washers in my Pro Gear 454 & 113HN Baja and there is a differance, much bigger then I found in the Jigmasters.
Joel8080
What is the source for .020 delrin washers? I have some .030 delrin washers, but the .020 would give a little more rom to work with.
Thanks, Speedwagon2
McMaster Carr has Delrin sheets in .020. I just gave away 4' of 6" wide sheet.
Will any of these washer sizes Dawn has work for Fathom star drag?
It looks like the Fathom uses 4-349 under the gear, so yes I have that one. (Same as 113H)
Dawn
Another one I have:
Trinidad / Torium 16, 20, 30
Quote from: Dawn on June 17, 2015, 06:55:48 PM
Another one I have:
Trinidad / Torium 16, 20, 30
Dawn,
Might the above Torium fit the TLD 15/30 (and 20/40) as well?
Thanx,
Leo
Don't think so, the center hole is smaller on the TLD.
Just acquired my first Delrin washers from Smoothdrag --thank you, Dawn!-- and I'm wondering, when used under the main gear, should they be greased, or is that unnecessary? :)
~A~
Hi
I think we always used to, however I've emailed Sal to ask, in case there is new thinking on this. ;D
Dawn
Quote from: Dawn on July 09, 2015, 06:56:01 PM
Hi, I think we always used to, however I've emailed Sal to ask, in case there is new thinking on this. ;D
Dawn
Great, whatever Sal recommends works for me.
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A~
He said grease is not needed, but it won't hurt. Some will eventually end up there anyway.
Dawn
Miss Flower of the desert, may I inquire as to which model Penn reel you placed Dawn's 0.050 thickness delrin washer for under the main gear? Did it make it hard to get the sideplate on(too thick)? I'm upgrading a couple reels - 501,506,99(all 500 gears, plastic side plates), 113YTS(plastic side plates) and was curious if I needed to buy a sheet of .020 as Lee suggested and some cutters or if the ones easily purchased from Dawn will suffice? Less hassle is fine with me.
Thanks,
Hank
I know you didn't ask me... ;D, but anyway...I live in the desert too ;)
I don't have any .050 thick. All the delrin are the same thickness as the stock washers in each reel.
Dawn
Quote from: Dawn on July 10, 2015, 03:12:25 PM
I know you didn't ask me... ;D, but anyway...I live in the desert too ;)
I don't have any .050 thick. All the delrin are the same thickness as the stock washers in each reel. Dawn
Dawn, excellent! Whereabouts in the desert? I'm in Palm Springs. :)
Hank, what Dawn said; and in any case I can't give you an answer yet because I'm still awaiting some parts prior to reassembly. I'm building a narrow YTS too, and in due course I plan to Delrinize various Jigmasters, 155s, and a few others as well. ;)
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A~
Hesperia
Quote from: Dawn on July 10, 2015, 04:21:43 PM
Hesperia
Aha... high desert. A
lot cooler than down here. :P
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A~
Dawn,
I need some delrin washers for my Jig Masters. I could not find them on your site. Please tell me how to order them.
Thanks, Dave Babcock
Dave...call me. 1-888-206-4656
or email info@smoothdrag.com
Quote from: Aiala on July 10, 2015, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: Dawn on July 10, 2015, 03:12:25 PM
I'm building a narrow YTS too, and in due course I plan to Delrinize various Jigmasters, 155s, and a few others as well. ;)
~A~
"Delrinize" -- Hmmm...New word -- is that anythong like "SAL-inize"?
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on July 10, 2015, 06:24:46 PM
"Delrinize" -- Hmmm...New word -- is that anythong like "SAL-inize"? Best, Fred
"Anythong"?? :o
Ummm... I guess so. ;D
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A~
Hate spell check whether it is turned on or off!
Sorry!
Best,
Fred
Hesperia, I have a buddy who lives there by Ft. Irwin, my aunt has a home there too. Thanks ladies(both flowers of the desert ;D), if they're the same thickness as stock Penn undergear washers than I see no problemo. I drove through and visited there in 2010 on my way to Ft. Hunter Liggett Ca.
Dawn, should I e-mail or call you for delrin washers for under main gears:
-3 Penn 500 series reels
-2 Penn 113 series reels
-2 Penn 114 series reels
Either is fine.
Dawn
Thanks Dawn!
Got my washers in today. I was pleasantly surprised that she had the size for the new US113w available, along with ones for my jigmasters and 113HLW. Couldn't be happier with her customer service.
Aloha,
Kyle
Thanks Kyle ;D
Nice talking to ya today, Dawn!
Sal, you're to blame for the order of 20 Delrin washers I just placed... :D
Quote from: Porthos on August 13, 2018, 02:34:23 PM
Nice talking to ya today, Dawn!
Sal, you're to blame for the order of 20 Delrin washers I just placed... :D
Haha...I've been trying to get Bryan and to Big Boss to try them with no luck :-\.
Alan has a Jigmaster that I've assembled for him not long ago, he said it's unusually smooth at max...we'll see ;D
FYI, for those new to Delrin:
Quote from: Dawn on June 17, 2015, 06:55:48 PM
Another one I have:
Trinidad / Torium 16, 20, 30
I have delrin washers in many Trinidad / Torium reels used on charter boats. They come back every year with no visible wear.
I do put a smaller diameter one under the drag star on many Senator reels. It makes a big difference in tightening the Star. No metal on metal.
On the 6/0's and 9/0's that use the thick wave washer turn it upside down so the smooth side is up.
Keith
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Quote from: Midway Tommy on August 13, 2018, 05:23:21 PM
FYI, for those new to Delrin:
Very good information to have Tommy. Thanks.
I need to get this straight. One delrin goes under the gear and one goes under the star. Is that correct? Dominick
Quote from: Dominick on August 18, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
I need to get this straight. One delrin goes under the gear and one goes under the star. Is that correct? Dominick
The Tank should have one under the gear and one under the star, but I'm not sure who serviced it last.
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 19, 2018, 11:01:56 AM
Quote from: Dominick on August 18, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
I need to get this straight. One delrin goes under the gear and one goes under the star. Is that correct? Dominick
The Tank should have one under the gear and one under the star, but I'm not sure who serviced it last.
Are you kidding me? I wouldn't dare take it apart and suffer your wrath. :D ;D Dominick
I posted the photo of a fractured Delrin washer that came from under main gear of a Pro GearCS 501. Do you have a replacement?
Thank you, Brendan.