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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Daiwa Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Porthos on March 18, 2015, 07:52:35 PM



Title: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on March 18, 2015, 07:52:35 PM
For whatever reason, bidders seem to fight over these on eBay more often than not, and they end up in the $35-$40 range. I had been looking to get one for my Sealine lineup, and finally scored one for $37.90 ($32.10 + $5.80 shipping); Paypal Select was running a $10 off first purchase so $27.90 was final total.

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/eBayPhoto_zpsjtvqol61.jpg)

Here is the rebuilt (for the disassembly, go to the bottom and scroll back up). There are some interesting differences in the 30H that I haven't seen in the 50H, 400H, and 600H--will get to there during the rebuild.

First order of business was to measure the drag washers. The best fit for the first two and the undergear was the Penn 6-855, with the inner diameter being just right and the outer diameter needing just a shave. The main gear had the infamous inner lip/ridge found on some of the other Sealines H's so the inner diameter of the 6-855 will need a shave as well. So an email to Alan, and the washers were in hand.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1136_zpsbxlqdvle.jpg)

Three original Daiwa washers had a height of 4.5 mm; it took four 6-855's to match, so the decision was made to double up the bottom one which ensured clearance between the first keyed washer and the main gear inner lip. Good thing I had asked Alan to send me EIGHT 6-855's.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1140_zpsljnd8tns.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1141_zpsrr2n069r.jpg)

I think I took this trick from Lee to hold the washers in place for the outer grinding...
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1137_zpswvljuhry.jpg)

The grinding of the inner diameter I carefully did by freehand. From left to right, top row, the shaved outer 6-855, the shave inner and outer 6-855, and the original Daiwa washer. Immediately below them is the dry fitting of the first drag washer in the main gear...
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1138_zpsjuor2yqx.jpg)

With the washers all sized as needed, I started the rebuild in earnest with the left ring and frame.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1143_zps7oifmw7d.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1144_zpsuxtot8wr.jpg)

Clicker mechanism dissasembled, greased, and reassembled.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1145_zpsmewztzbs.jpg)

I did not attempt to remove or service the bearing since Bryan Young said these were peened in and well greased; they were smooth enough but I did add a couple of drops of CorrosionX.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1146_zpsw5pskhx4.jpg)

Frame and ring greased, installed, and set aside. The foot is riveted on, so nothing to do there.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1147_zpstu1pbdwy.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1148_zps5c3pagyg.jpg)

On to the right side plate. The internal surfaces were mostly dry, but the moving parts had old grease of which some had emulsified into a white and green waxy "crud." Can see some of it on the eccentric cam. Carb cleaner helped in the removal.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1149_zps6eoxcdth.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1150_zpsf3qmzds0.jpg)

The right side ring could only be lifted up so far due to the presence of the thumb screws which are "permanent" peened to the plate. Ran my grease brush in between as best as I could.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1151_zps27tchnou.jpg)

Moving on to the internals. The right side spool bearing is held in place in the bridge with a retainer. I took it out, wiped off the old lube, grease with Yamaha blue, and put it back in place. Also greased the gear shaft and installed the gear sleeve and the greased undergear 6-855; went with CF since this reel will probably never be fished past 13lbs drag.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1152_zpsyofn8xo8.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1155_zps372reskx.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1156_zpspmst5f0f.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1157_zps8r6v3s7f.jpg)

On goes main gear and the first drag washer...
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1158_zpsozrnokdb.jpg)

...and doubling up.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1159_zpsb4vn2myu.jpg)

The rest of the stack followed for the 3+1 config, followed by the spacing sleeve.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1160_zpsml8jgx5z.jpg)

One of the interesting points of the gear sleeve to bridge assembly is that it is NOT held in place with a pin through the gear sleeve. It is held in place with a washer and c-clip at the top of the shaft. Found it to be an awkward setup; implied why the later Sealine H's don't have this feature but a pin instead. Had to put it on at this point to prevent the gear sleeve from siding off when I turned the whole assembly upside down later.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1161_zpsgm6bvjal.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1162_zpsm0dybl1d.jpg)

Secured.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1163_zpsaasqhlbc.jpg)

Couple of drops of CorrosionX for bearing.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1164_zps74jwje70.jpg)

Prepping the right side plate...
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1165_zpsolxzi6dt.jpg)

Greasing the screws
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1166_zpsknxbudkx.jpg)

After all four screws were put in, the traditional hold-the-screws-in-place-n-flip maneuver was done. Then the dog was dropped in place on the lower right screw followed by the clutch springs, yoke, jack, and pinion gear in their respective locations. (Sorry, no pics here since my hands were full.) After all four plate screws were tightened, I proceed to install the one and only small plate screw retaining nut. Why this is needed, I have no idea. The later Sealine H's don't have this nut on the one screw that is also the shaft for the dog. It was an original factory part so back on it went.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1167_zps3cbsgpsm.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1168_zpsvtcnovwq.jpg)

With the bridge secured on to the plate, I installed the dog spring, and made sure that free spool and anti-reverse were functioning correctly. There was no way for the gear sleeve to slide off, so I removed the washer and c-clip. Reason for this will come later.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1169_zpsb4u2wglo.jpg)

In goes the belleville washers in ( ) config.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1170_zpsazkwrcq4.jpg)

Then the star...
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1171_zpsf8a2sgs2.jpg)

...and the reason for the removal of the washer and c-clip: the handle cannot be installed if they are in place! On goes the handle washer (B17-2801).
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1172_zpsgvk4fuwm.jpg)

The handle itself and the nut
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1173_zpsqq84keuc.jpg)

And THEN the gear sleeve washer...
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1174_zpsw8rczq1y.jpg)

...and c-clip can finally go back on.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1175_zps8dijunnj.jpg)

Nut cover and screw.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1176_zpsrgtqfig7.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1177_zpsrpf9ibnn.jpg)

Greasing the internal surfaces of the spool
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(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1179_zpsponkoxph.jpg)

Handle side is ready to be secured back on with the three thumb screws.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1180_zpsdhifk8bi.jpg)

Done!
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1181_zps4maksdye.jpg)

With the star completely backed off, there is still a noticeable amount of drag pressure. This may be because the 6-855 is thicker than the original red under gear washer. I will probably take the handle off and remove the handle washer  (B17-2801) to compensate. Would probably spool up with 400yds of 50lb braid or 300yds of 65lb braid plus a 20, 25, 30, or 40 lb topshot.

There doesn't appear to be any readily available power handles for the 30H, but I did compare the hole of the Daiwa factory balanced handle to the hole on a Penn 24-56, and the latter just needs to be grind out a bit to fit...hmm.

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UPDATE 4/20/2015

Spooled up with some 65lb braid I had laying around; with star buttoned down, drag maxed around 16lbs, More than enough for a 40lb setup.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1182_zpsgbk9ghfq.jpg)


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Alto Mare on March 18, 2015, 08:09:28 PM
Beautiful tutorial Porthos, with some nice detailed pics, that is definitely a lot of reel for the money.
I really like that gear sleeve, I've been trying to get them made exactly the same in stainless steel for the Tank, with the removable ratchet and a c-clip. No luck up to now.
The handle nut should be a cap nut, almost as the one you're showing and not as we have it now, those always get tight on me when I push the reels from my tests.
Very nice job, thanks for sharing.

Sal


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Bryan Young on March 18, 2015, 08:30:55 PM
I'm sorry for the mis-information.  The bearing in the side plate can come out.  The bearing in the bridge for these reels are sometimes peened in and sometimes not.  I don't know why some are peened in and some are not.

And a very nice tutorial.  Thank you for sharing.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 18, 2015, 08:47:55 PM
Great Tutorial Porthos. You have that reel ready to go.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: gstours on March 18, 2015, 08:50:05 PM
 Mr Porthos:     Thanks for the great pictures and step by step showing the parts you upgraded to.  I too like these reels,       And I have a factory 2 position handle for this reel I would give you for the postage if you pm me!..... I found that you can use thinner steel washers and add another cf washer in the drag stack as well.  but thats if and when you want more drag available.  another tip might be to "burn in" your new drag stack by cranking down on the star a little and turning the crank arm with a drill for a while.  slowly working up the drag pressure.  You will be suprised how it smooths out the assembly and you may have no drag at start up with the star backed off.   Just an idea, as it works for me.  These are great reels for the money!


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: RowdyW on March 18, 2015, 09:08:06 PM
gstours,adding one more washer will not give you more drag. Drag setups have to be odd numbers of drags so you would have to add 2 CF washers & 1 keyed washer & 1 eared washer  to have the odd number stack. Stacks have to be odd numbers 3, 5, 7, 9, etc. & the last eared washer must be in the gear to work unless you are using a Versa Drag style setup.      


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Keta on March 18, 2015, 09:18:45 PM
Good score.  I don't have any but these are nice reels.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 18, 2015, 09:40:34 PM
I was thinking that same thing Gary. Set that stack and it will be good to go. ;)


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on March 19, 2015, 08:07:09 AM
Removed the handle washer (B17-2801) this morning and the sliver of freed up space allowed the star to back off that little bit--just enough for the drag pressure to be acceptable.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: alantani on March 19, 2015, 08:14:41 AM
very nice!  did i ever send you a wrench?  if not, send me a pm with your address and i will mail one out!!!!!


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: alantani on March 19, 2015, 08:43:39 AM
in the mail, post stickied.  thanks a million!!!!!


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on March 19, 2015, 08:57:44 AM
...post stickied.  thanks a million!!!!!

YOO-HOO...I'M LEGIT!!!  ;D


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: alantani on March 19, 2015, 09:45:20 AM
i don't think that was ever in question....   ;D


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: codisking on March 22, 2015, 08:26:18 PM
Hey, thanks for this tutorial!!  I just opened one up today and started taking pictures of the process but now I'll just refer to this post. Mine however is not in such beautiful shape as yours. These Sealine reels unfortunately are susceptible to corrosion if they are not maintained on a regular basis.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on March 22, 2015, 08:54:20 PM
Hey, thanks for this tutorial!!  I just opened one up today and started taking pictures of the process but now I'll just refer to this post. Mine however is not in such beautiful shape as yours. These Sealine reels unfortunately are susceptible to corrosion if they are not maintained on a regular basis.

Its a great reel and also the levelwind version of these reels are tough as nails! I like my 27sh and 47sh


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on March 23, 2015, 06:18:02 AM
...I just opened one up today and started taking pictures of the process but now I'll just refer to this post. Mine however is not in such beautiful shape as yours. These Sealine reels unfortunately are susceptible to corrosion if they are not maintained on a regular basis.

Only the first two 6-855's in the main gear need the I.D. shave, and only if the main gear has the inner lip. The I.D. of the other two 6-855 stack washers and the undergear is fine as-is.

The chromed parts are susceptible, but so far the all the Sealine frames I have 30H, 50H, 400H, and three 600H's are corrosion free.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: codisking on March 23, 2015, 04:57:32 PM
Upon closer inspection, the reel I have taken apart is actually a Super Hi-speed 30H. Comparing your pictures to the reel I have on hand, the main gear looks to be bigger.

I took the calipers to the drag washers and came up with these measurements:

Thickness = 1.5 mm
OD = 23.9713 mm
ID = 14.1288 mm

This is just for the fiber washers. I've been looking on the size chart from smooth drags but have not found any great matches. I think I'll have to customize them the way you did.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: codisking on March 23, 2015, 05:27:56 PM
Come to think of it, I'm not even sure that this reel is a 30H. The stickers are gone except for the one in the front cross frame and the only thing that leads me to believe that it is a 30H is the line capacity listed on the remaining sticker.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on March 23, 2015, 05:36:56 PM
Come to think of it, I'm not even sure that this reel is a 30H. The stickers are gone except for the one in the front cross frame and the only thing that leads me to believe that it is a 30H is the line capacity listed on the remaining sticker.

The larger main gear would make sense for the "Super Hi Speed" label...can you post some photos of the reel? I'd never encountered a Sealine H "Super Hi Speed" 30H in all my searching on the web during the last two years. Am wondering if it could be a JDM Sealine 30H that was never exported.

The FIRST option is to contact Dawn at smoothdrag.com and see if she'll custom cut them for you...I'd try this before going to the grinding route.

Smooth Drag washer #40 (27.1 x 13.85 x  1 / 1.2 ) would be the closest...if you have no other option but customize by grinding.

On the Penn side, it would be 6-113h (13.06 x 27.02 x 1.34).

Might want to see which is cheaper and order a couple of more EXTRA just in case...



Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: codisking on March 23, 2015, 05:54:36 PM
Here are some photos. Sorry it's in pieces for the moment.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: codisking on March 23, 2015, 05:56:46 PM
....and some more


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: codisking on March 23, 2015, 06:00:07 PM
... and the last...


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on March 23, 2015, 06:51:33 PM
WOW!!!

Aside from the label, the frame looks exactly like the standard 30H. The right side plate clearly has the extended gearbox for the larger main gear. Is there a plate that covers up the rod-facing side of the extended gearbox?

WOW!!!

Is the left side ring in as good condition as the right side one (which incidentally you were able to get off--guess it WAS possible to get the thumbscrews off...no, wait, it's the left side ring...the "brightness" on the frame left side is corrosion and not reflecting light.)?

You might want to call up Daiwa, USA, and see if the gears and decals are still available. If the tech says he/she has never heard of a Super Hi Speed Sealine 30H, see if they are willing to look at the pics and confirm whether it's a JDM unit.

The corroded surfaces on the bottom of the frame will require routine cleaning to mitigate any future degradation. Wipe down with CorrosionX, perhaps?

Anecdotally, everything is pointing to a limited production run since I have never seen one come up for sale over the course of two years, and Googling brings up nothing, It is a rare bird IMHO.

Cool beans!


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on March 23, 2015, 09:56:28 PM
Hold on...ID = 14.1288 mm...with the main gear on the gear sleeve and the 1st drag washer and 1 key washer inside, does the second drag washer's sit on that 1st keyed washer with a gap "ring area" showing between the drag washer's I.D. and the gear sleeve? The Daiwa factory drag washers from my boring ole standard 30H has this gap because the I.D. is about 14.5mm and the gear sleeve dia. is just under 12mm.

The 6-855 washers have a 11.99 mm I.D., and once installed sat tightly around the gear sleeve, eliminating the gap for the second and third drag washers. If all this is true for you as well, then the 6-320 may be a better option with only the O.D. needing a "shave." From smoothdrag.com, #31 or #38 are possible candidates.



Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: codisking on March 24, 2015, 05:48:20 AM
Yes, it looks like there is a millimeter, or more, of space between the ID of the fiber washer and the sleeve.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: codisking on March 24, 2015, 06:03:54 AM
Here is a view from the top. It is also worth noting that the interior bottom of this main gear is smooth; it doesn't have a lip at the bottom the way your 30H does.

I am going to try to get in touch with Daiwa, as you suggested. I'd really like to hear what they have to say.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on March 24, 2015, 06:34:37 AM
Yes, it looks like there is a millimeter, or more, of space between the ID of the fiber washer and the sleeve.

After you confirm that the gear sleeve is < 12mm, I think that the Smooth Drag #31 would be the best candidate though you will need to double up all three. I don't think thinner metal washers are readily available for a 5+1 config.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: codisking on March 24, 2015, 07:24:21 PM
So here's the skinny,

I've gotten in touch with Daiwa and have come to find out that the reel I'm working on is a 30SH. So yes, Daiwa did make a Super Hi-Speed 30H. Unfortunately they did not give me much background on it's history but I was able to find a parts schematic for it online.

On to the gear sleeve and drag washers. It measures out to be 10.795 mm. I have been checking out the size chart on smooth drags and I notice that #19 has a good OD and ID but the washers are not thick enough. I'll figure something out though.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 24, 2015, 07:43:07 PM
Just get a small sheet of Carbon fiber in the thickness you need and cut your own.
I do that for all my reels now.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: codisking on March 24, 2015, 07:55:57 PM
Just get a small sheet of Carbon fiber in the thickness you need and cut your own.
I do that for all my reels now.


Where do you order that from?


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: bluefish69 on March 24, 2015, 08:05:16 PM
Smooth Drag - Dawn might know the proper thickness for that reel.

Mike


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on March 24, 2015, 09:12:46 PM
...On to the gear sleeve and drag washers. It measures out to be 10.795 mm. I have been checking out the size chart on smooth drags and I notice that #19 has a good OD and ID but the washers are not thick enough. I'll figure something out though...

Original thickness = 3 x 1.5mm = 4.5mm

IMHO, the path of LEAST resistance (no cutting, grinding, fuss, or muss) is...FIVE #19's = 5 x 1mm = 5.0mm...double up in the first and second drag washer position, use a single for the third position. You may need to omit the handle washer like I did to compensate for the extra 0.05mm.

Also order a #7, #9, or delrin for the under gear at the same time if you are going with Smooth Drag.





Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on March 28, 2015, 11:26:53 AM
NEWSFLASH!!!

Was at Charkbait in San Diego and saw on the rack at the Smooth Drag kit for the Daiwa 50H, listed on the label insert of other compatible reels was the Daiwa 30SH!!!!

If Dawn had these produced using the dimensions of the Daiwa factory washers then the gap will still be there, so the choice is yours...the EASY BUTTON or go with the tighter inner diameter and pay extra.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: LTM on May 09, 2015, 06:12:51 PM
30H vs 30SH,

These two reels have different gear ratios (3.8 vs 5.1), with the 5.1 naturally having a larger drag.  Which would be the better ratio between the two; being that the difference in line retrieve per handle turn is small (27" vs 34")?  Is the 30SH suitable for jigging with a 34" retrieve? Seems more suited to bait. This question is in regards to gear ratio's and application's only.

Thanx,

Leo


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on May 09, 2015, 08:45:44 PM
With 34' of retrieve, the 30SH matches the retrieve of the Penn 113HN/113N...the quintessential jigging reel of the left coast. HOWEVER, the Penns outclass the 30SH in both drag and capacity. Apples to oranges.

Now the Avet SX 5.3 is smaller than the 30SH with a slightly smaller capacity, 4" less retrieve, and at least 1-2 lbs drag less than the 30SH, but they are, IMHO, are apples to apples. Where one uses the SX is where one could also use the 30SH. Probably live bait as primary application, casting as secondary.

The one thing that would need to be swapped on the 30SH is that horrible tiny balanced handle. I was bottom fishing the 30H with its 3.8:1 ratio down to 160' using 12oz torpedos, and small handle radius made cranking it up a TOTAL CHORE. I've since upgraded it to a 3' handle with a plastic molded T-bar:

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/Amadeus_Surf/DSCF1188_zpsl4u64wam.jpg)

The 30H handle hole is slightly wider than the holes of the Penn 24-55 and 24-56 handles; the rounded ends needed to be filed to fit on the 30H gear sleeve. The flat sides of the Penn handles were just right and need NO reworking.

The 30SH, with its 50H drag washers, probably has a balanced handle with a hole that the 50H handle has...or close to what the Penn 113H handles have. I've compared the holes of my Daiwa 50H handles to the Penn 24-349, and the hole of the 24-349 would need to be filed as well on the ends to match. The only way to know for sure is to physically compare the 30SH balanced handle hole.



Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: LTM on May 09, 2015, 09:05:07 PM
Porthos,

Where did you find the upgraded handle in the picture. Is it an exact fit for the 30h or did you have to modify it as you described. Please give details.

Thanx,

Leo


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on May 09, 2015, 10:06:11 PM
There are NO 30H after market handles that I could find; I had to compare the 30H handle to existing Penn handles, and the Penn Type A handles (which fit the Jigmaster) were the closest match. Had to use needle files, curved and round ones, and file the round ends of the handle hole until the gear sleeve fitted. The 30H handle hole's rounded ends were about 9mm apart, whereas the Penn were slightly more than 8mm.

I SUSPECT that the 30SH, since it uses the 50H main gear, has a gear sleeve and handle hole bigger than the 30H's; you will need to confirm this somehow, since I don't have access to a 30SH handle to check. The holes of the 30SH and 50H CANNOT be matched up from the schematics on mikesreelrepair.com; there are no common parts related to the handle hole.

The source of the handle you see is eBay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Handle-3-with-Knob-for-PENN-JigMaster-Jig-Master-Squidder-Other-Reels-/301060247065?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item461896ce19

If the 30SH handle hole matches the 50H then this is the one to get and re-work:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301048697169?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&var=600185029629&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

If you PM me your snail mail address, I can send a post card with tracings of the 30H and 50H handle holes for you to compare. Probably the easiest way if you don't physically have the 30H, 30SH, and 50H handles all at the same time.



Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on May 09, 2015, 10:13:42 PM
HOLD ON!!!

The handle washer, B17-2801, is a MATCH for the 30H and 30SH!

The Jigmaster handle would be it.

Can still send you the tracings to confirm...


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: LTM on May 10, 2015, 09:02:42 AM
Thanx Porthos,

What did you do to cover the handle nut and what about the lock/set screw ? You show the side view, would you show the front view please?

Thanx,

Leo


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on May 10, 2015, 09:36:11 AM
Unable to re-use the Daiwa nut cap unless a new hole is tapped in the handle for the handle nut plate screw (351-1801). I basically slathered Yamaha grease on the gear shaft and filled the area around the top of the shaft/gear sleeve/nut area with the same before placing the handle nut washer (371-0604) on. From that point on, I use generous amounts of vaseline (assumed to be less toxic than the Yamaha) to install the handle nut retainer (320-7601); did this since any exposed grease can transfer to one's hands. Wiped off the excess on the surfaces.. It's the best compromise without tapping that screw hole which I currently have no means to do.

Fundamentally, relying on the Vaseine/Yamaha grease to provide protection that the cap would have serve; would need to check, service, and lube this area more frequently to prevent corrosion


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: LTM on May 10, 2015, 10:06:44 AM
Porthos,

If the Penn nut cap is LARGER than the Daiwa handle nut then this idea might work "THEORETICALLY". You might try to dremel out the interior corners of the nut cap to form a circle (just a larger interior cavity). Then partially fill the cavity with JB weld (epoxy). Next before the JB weld sets, coat the handle nut with a thin film of Vasaline/petroleum gelly (anything so JB weld will not stick to the handle nut). Now with the coated handle nut; press the nut into the setting JB weld to make an exact impression into the JB weld. Basically your making a mold in the cavity of the handle nut cover. Dont forget to make sure the nut cover aligns with the lock screw hole (may have to coat handle with Vasaline so JB weld wont stick) and use the Penn lock screw.

What ya think,

Leo


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on May 10, 2015, 07:05:55 PM
I don't have any Penn nut caps to try the JB weld approach, and I've never attempted anything like what you've described, so I'm passing the torch to you on that project...

I did try to add another hole to the Daiwa cap, BUT in examining the underside of the cap, the cap mold that Daiwa had injected the plastic into left THREE holes between the nut cavity and the lock screw hole; two larger holes with a tiny one in the middle. The Penn screw hole aligns with tiny middle hole. After drilling out this middle hole all the way thru to match the size of the original Daiwa screw hole, the rework to accommodate the screwhead removed so much of the plastic to the point where a chunk of the nut cavity is exposed as well as the two larger underside holes. There's very little material for the screw to compress against. One good whack by a falling rod against the cap would probably snap it off.

Oh, well...no guts, no glory. I've sacrificed one Daiwa 30H handle nut cap to the fishing gods...hope they like it.   ;)

Good luck with your rebuild, Leo!



Hmm...now that I think about it, the Daiwa's nut cavity is not just six-sided--there's more, though only six points will be occupied at any one time. If JB Weld filled the unoccupied gaps AS WELL AS the two larger holes left by the injection mold before any drilling, that may eliminate most of the exposed holes I got in my experiment. Something to consider before jumping to a Penn cap.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: swill88 on May 15, 2015, 12:10:04 PM
Thanks so much for this report! My 30H just arrived today - $35. It looks a little more worn than yours but it spins reel nice.

Im working on a 27H and learned the hard way how not to remove (#70) 6-320-8202 Handle nut retainer.... heard it hit in the corner and am still looking for it.

Any favorite place to buy these clips?

For a 30SH and a bit pricier.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DAIWA-SEALINE-30SH/111667515379?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D30987%26meid%3D8881d9fd27504a92939b172d826c4d9b%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D161696295693


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on May 15, 2015, 05:42:57 PM
Nice work Porthos. These reels are highly under rated and are little work horses. A little work and these things will go forever, already all aluminum and with a nice CF upgrade can slay some fish!


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Rancanfish on June 22, 2015, 05:08:31 PM
Ruffy, (4) 6-855 drag washers.  First two, the ID needs to be filed larger to fit the ring in the inside of the gear.  Put two, then key washer, one more, eared washer, one more, keyed.  Grease as you go.

No drop in exists, but this ones pretty easy. 

Don't breathe the dust as you file (use a round file).


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Rancanfish on June 22, 2015, 05:28:45 PM
I apologize for assuming.... you know what they say.  :-[

Regardless, there is a chart showing the drag washer sizes floating here some where.

Good luck.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: RowdyW on June 22, 2015, 05:39:10 PM
Ruffy, you will get a better fit by using 3 of 6-113 & 1 of 6-60. Put a 60 & 113 on the bottom of the stack, keyed, 113, eared, 113, keyed.  The OD will be OK, just have to grind out the ID a little.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Alvaman on July 06, 2015, 09:31:02 AM
Hi!   I am just as new member as of 7/5 and this is my first contact with this web site. According to your note you were unable to find schematics for the Diawa Sealine 30H & 50H./ These schematics appear in the 1978-84 listings. if you still need copies let me know and I will send copies.  I just did a test copy however. The original is printed with pale blue ink and does not copy well. Send me an E mail with your address and I will  play around with the contrast to make quality copies if you still need them.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: alantani on July 06, 2015, 12:43:07 PM
very nice of you to help out!  ;D


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on July 07, 2015, 02:16:37 AM
Alvaman - When your scanning documents try selecting black and white copy only - not coloured (unless the colour is important doh!) - Instant contrast ;)


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: basto on February 04, 2016, 05:15:01 PM
The keyed metals in the drag stack are very rounded on one side (stamped)
The top one does not matter as it is under the spacer on the rounded side, but the bottom one is between carbontex on both sides.
So it is good to hone the bottom one flat on it`s rounded side for better contact with the drag washer.

(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/Daiwa%2030h%20metals_zpsullndfzf.jpg)


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: kb6880 on July 27, 2016, 07:06:59 PM
Thanks for the great tutorial Porthos!   I recently rebuilt a 30h and can confirm that both the handle and non-handle bearing were easily removed, at least on my reel.   That's when the fun began.  I wanted to clean the bearings, so I pulled the shields and noticed black plastic underneath.  Thinking this was a seal of some sort, I pried on it a bit and was rewarded by the ball bearings flying out in all directions.   Come to find out that the bearings have crown races, which are basically a plastic / nylon material that holds the balls in place.  They are apparently good bearings for function, but not so great for disassembly and cleaning.   I tried pressing them back together, with no luck.   Fortunately, Boca and Mikes (and others) have replacement bearings.   Got a set of orange seal ceramics from boca, and the reel casts very well now.   Just wanted everyone to know that the stock bearings can likely be cleaned and serviced, including removing the shield, but be very careful.  It might be better to only remove one shield and carefully clean, or just soak them with shields in place, rinse well, dry, and add reel-x or similar.   It's not a good feeling to have tiny ball bearings go flying across your shop .....


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on July 28, 2016, 08:50:27 PM
There have been minor variations seen throughout the Sealine lineup...not out of the ordinary given their, what, 30+ years in production. Sorry to hear you lost your bearings...that's probably preferable to losing your marbles.  ;)


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: paniolopete on August 26, 2016, 11:03:48 AM
I have always enjoyed using my Daiwa Sealine 30H but agree that the balanced handle was a problem, especially with the current philosophy of catching bigger fish with smaller reels here on the "Left Coast". I ordered a "Power Handle" from Reel Power Handles here in So. Cal, but it is for the newer version with 5mm flats slot and 8mm diameter threads. Our "classic models" (mine was given to me by a friend) was from the late 80's, when I first started ocean fishing, sports 7mm flats and 9mm threads on the drive shaft, but I'm preaching to the choir.

I just wanted to thank you all for your inputs, and especially to Porthos for a great pictorial of the re-build and running documentation of what was performed and found.

I have a couple of spare Penn Jigmaster handles that I sized and found them to be a very close size match (the diameter of the drive shaft is just a couple hundredths less than the Daiwa 30H), so as you found, a little filing with a Dremel and a fine stone should get me where I want to be. Steve from "Reel Power Handles" returned my call and is sending me a Power Handle for the Jigmaster to work on to make my 30H an even meaner tuna fightin' machine!  Thank you again for a great series of posts!

PanioloPete


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on August 26, 2016, 05:37:22 PM
At some point, when I get ambitious enough and acquire the tapping tool, I will attempt to put a new screw hole in my adapted Jigmaster power handle for that Daiwa 30H handle nut plate screw... ::)


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: jigmaster501 on February 14, 2018, 12:19:56 PM
Will a 50H handle fit the 30H. I have my first 30H and I am amazed how well built it is.

I figured a bigger handle would be easier to fish.

This will be an excellent blackfish reel.



Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on February 14, 2018, 06:29:28 PM
Will a 50H handle fit the 30H. I have my first 30H and I am amazed how well built it is.

I figured a bigger handle would be easier to fish.

This will be an excellent blackfish reel.



No, if it was only that simple. Without even factoring in the rounded ends:

30H ~ 7mm x 9mm

50H ~ 9mm x 11mm

A modified Jigmaster handle, like the one I did, is the path of least resistance, IMHO...


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: jigmaster501 on February 14, 2018, 06:48:55 PM
How did you do your filing? Did you use a rat tail file and a small flat file?

I can't believe how well built these reels are.

They are well worth the money.

Have you had an issues with the gear sleeve wearing out?


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on February 14, 2018, 07:16:56 PM
How did you do your filing? Did you use a rat tail file and a small flat file?

I can't believe how well built these reels are.

They are well worth the money.

Have you had an issues with the gear sleeve wearing out?

Hand filed with these:
https://www.harborfreight.com/12-piece-precision-needle-file-set-4614.html

My 30H/170H has been fished as 40lb reels for the last 3 years...11-12lbs drag from top of spool. No discernible wear seen yet.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Rothmar2 on February 14, 2018, 09:10:06 PM
Been meaning to ask this for a while. Does anyone know if the gear sleeve on the 27H is the same dimensions as the 30H?

Have a 27H I would like to soup up....



Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: jigmaster501 on February 15, 2018, 03:41:23 AM
I will have to give that a shot with the files.

I guess we need Tom to make gear sleeves for these now..lol

It would be nice if the gear sleeves were made to fit penn handles....

Rothmar, I don't know about the 27H. my friend has a 27H and a 30H and believes they are the same gear sleeve.

Thanks

Eugene


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Rothmar2 on February 15, 2018, 09:47:36 PM
Cheers Eugene, I think I will order A 30H sleeve and see how it goes in the 27. If not quite right, will just find a 30H and put it in that.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on February 16, 2018, 07:13:54 AM
Cheers Eugene, I think I will order A 30H sleeve and see how it goes in the 27. If not quite right, will just find a 30H and put it in that.

Since you have the 27H, what are the measurements for the flats and the diameter of the 27H's gear sleeve?


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Rothmar2 on February 16, 2018, 02:42:00 PM
Hi Porthos

I really should check what I have stashed in boxes more often! I actually have a 30H. Donít know why I had it in my head it was a 27H. Anyway, Iím pretty sure there has never been an aftermarket stainless sleeve made for these mini-Sealines. But would be chuffed to hear otherwise. The sleeve has a step for the handle nut which screws down around outside of the sleeve. The step is 7mm across the flats, 9mm diameter and 6.5mm high.
The main part of the sleeve which the gears and drag star seat/screw over is 10mm across the flats and 12mm diameter. Total length of the sleeve appears to be 41mm. I say appears, as I just havenít got the time to disassemble the bridge completely at the moment. So I have only measured what I can with the bridge in place in the right side plate. The bridge shaft measured from the top of the sleeve is 5.5mm.
Iím guessing the Cortez Conversions 300H sleeves will not suit these smaller reels. I will edit this post when I get some time to remove the bridge and completely measure the sleeve.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on February 18, 2018, 12:18:25 AM
Hi Porthos

I really should check what I have stashed in boxes more often! I actually have a 30H. Donít know why I had it in my head it was a 27H. Anyway, Iím pretty sure there has never been an aftermarket stainless sleeve made for these mini-Sealines. But would be chuffed to hear otherwise. The sleeve has a step for the handle nut which screws down around outside of the sleeve. The step is 7mm across the flats, 9mm diameter and 6.5mm high.
The main part of the sleeve which the gears and drag star seat/screw over is 10mm across the flats and 12mm diameter. Total length of the sleeve appears to be 41mm. I say appears, as I just havenít got the time to disassemble the bridge completely at the moment. So I have only measured what I can with the bridge in place in the right side plate. The bridge shaft measured from the top of the sleeve is 5.5mm.
Iím guessing the Cortez Conversions 300H sleeves will not suit these smaller reels. I will edit this post when I get some time to remove the bridge and completely measure the sleeve.

From what I've observed so far, 40lb test is the most reasonable max for this reel given its capacity for 350+ yds of 50 or 65 lb braid plus a short 40lb mono top shot. IMHO, for the 11-12 lbs drag needed from top of spool to hit the 1/3 rule for the whole setup, the factory brass gear sleeve will hold up, so a stainless steel upgrade may be overkill.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Kenstix on April 07, 2018, 10:02:24 PM
I will have to give that a shot with the files.

I guess we need Tom to make gear sleeves for these now..lol

It would be nice if the gear sleeves were made to fit penn handles....

Rothmar, I don't know about the 27H. my friend has a 27H and a 30H and believes they are the same gear sleeve.

Thanks

Eugene

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I Believe an Array of Type "A" Penn Bridge Handles fit the 50H like the 112H ~ without too much trouble . So , I would Like to move the 50 Handle to the 30 if Possible ? and easily enough  , find a Handle for the 50H . What'cha All think ? Any insight would Help

Thanks , Kenstix


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: alantani on April 08, 2018, 07:53:58 AM
i think they are different.  you'll have to pull them off and see.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: jigmaster501 on April 08, 2018, 04:43:48 PM
No go with the 50h. way bigger hole.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on April 09, 2018, 05:04:23 AM
Nine posts back about the handle holes:

30H ~ 7mm x 9mm

50H ~ 9mm x 11mm

A modified Penn Type A power handle, IMHO, is the path of least resistance for the 30H, 30SH, and SMF 170.

It is the Type B (e.g., a 24-113H) handle that fits the 50H, 300H, 350H, 400H, and 450H, BUT...only if you shim the flats. My 300H and 400H have this handle arm shimmed with thin strips of folded sheet brass:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Handle-Blank-Fits-PENN-113H-4-0-Intl-20-20T-30-30T-50-50T-50TW-Others/312076928014?hash=item48a93c040e:g:nuoAAOSwX~dWs8of

The better handle solution for the 50H, 300H, 350H, 400H, and 450H is Alan's swap shown in his 50H tutorial...drill out the old barrel handle.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Kenstix on April 14, 2018, 10:31:51 AM
  Thanks Porthos + Alan , do You Guys have advice on this Weird nut setup and how it converts to a Normal Handle nut ?


 Do I have to Put the LAme Brass nut back on for the New Type A Handle config with that Plastic baitcast cover Krap ?


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on April 14, 2018, 03:31:33 PM
I did. MacGyver style...

  • Installed the handle with the original brass nut.
  • Place cap on and marked hole.
  • Removed cap and drilled hole slightly smaller than screw.
  • Had I had a set of tapping tools, I would have used them, but I don't...so I brute forced it. Used a the next sized up bit and made the top of the hole slightly bigger (like doing a countersink). It went just deep enough for the screw to start biting into the softer aluminium of the handle.
  • Applied pressure to the flathead screwdriver and FORCED the screw into the hole (basically using the screw as the tapping tool)
  • It was working okay until I decided it went deep enough and started to counter turned the screw out--the screwhead snapped off.
  • Fortunately there was enough of the screw shaft protruding to grab on to with needle-nosed pliers and unscrewed it out.
  • Called up Daiwa and ordered a replacement screw
  • Once the screw arrived, filled nut hole with Yamaha grease, placed cap on nut, and tighten new screw in

Here is the end result:

(http://alantani.com/gallery/24/9140_14_04_18_4_27_54.jpeg)

Would I recommend my approach to anyone? NO, but it did the trick. YMMV


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Kenstix on April 14, 2018, 03:45:07 PM
Thanks Much Porthos , I'll probly replace he Nut and the Screw with Stainless . Thanks for the Pic - Kenstix


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on April 14, 2018, 03:57:22 PM
Make sure all the gaps beneath the plastic gear sleeve washer are filled with grease before seating the washer and installing the stainless nut.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Kenstix on April 14, 2018, 06:14:47 PM
 Thanks again Porthos , I always use Grease as an Xtra Gasket / Filler like that , where it makes sense  - for Lack of a Better analogy . I use a Quality Marine grease ( which is lucas now ) to about 1/3 Super Lube with PTFE <-- which I've Done forever and They are super compatible over time , to My experience + provide great durable Lube and Moisture performance . the Only thing different I do in the Hybrid mix , is to Use Lucas on everything now rather than the Yamaha or Sta-Lube  ( I like it Better ) .  Which Handle part # is that one or i should say ~ I know the Black Alum. Bar but What is the Knob ? I believe the Black Bar on Yours is 3" Span so I would probably Cut it as well + Re-work ( and Touch up ) to approx. 2.5" ~ 2+ 5/8" spread on the 30 size . I was lookin' at this stainless one to for poss. Cut + re-Polish  


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on April 14, 2018, 07:31:35 PM
The knob is this one:
https://m.ebay.com/itm/MOLDED-T-BAR-KNOB-FOR-PENN-DAIWA-SHIMANO-ACCURATE-AVET-NEWLL-OKUMA-REEL-HANDLES/302653627118?hash=item46778fdaee:g:QcEAAOSw44BYZq5H

It was much cheaper previously, but the seller raised his prices recently. With what he charging now, it's better to instead order one of Alan's delrin handles, IMHO.

As for the arm length, the 3" is preferable for me since I'm fishing the 30H/170H up to 40lbs test and like the leverage.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: kmstorm64 on September 11, 2018, 03:44:32 PM
When I did my 30 H I asked Alan for advice and at that time they weren't any arms out there, so he recommended cutting off the old handle and replace with a  3/0 Kokler, which I fi9nd to be about the right size. I will take picture of it when I get home from work.


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on September 12, 2018, 06:07:58 AM
When I did my 30 H I asked Alan for advice and at that time they weren't any arms out there, so he recommended cutting off the old handle and replace with a  3/0 Kokler, which I fi9nd to be about the right size. I will take picture of it when I get home from work.

IMHO, you will be restricted to the short arm length of the original 30H factory part. The 3/0 Kolekar grip will also weigh more than the one removed so the balanced aspect will be gone as well.

Going the modified Penn Type A handle arm route is the best over all option, again, IMHO...


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: jigmaster501 on September 27, 2018, 05:05:18 PM
Hey guys,

I just purchased a 30H super hi speed.

It looks to be in good condition.

Did anyone determine how much drag this reel gets???

Looks like a good candidate for a stainless gear sleeve (need them made) and bigger handle.

What do you guys think??



Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on September 27, 2018, 05:41:20 PM
Fish mine as a 40lb reel. By hand, can get star tightened to 16.5 lbs; could probably get a bit more if using something to leverage and button down it, but 12 lbs from top of spool is all I need. The handle arm I am using is aluminum. Is the type of brass in the 30H harder? Can't say but there has been no deformation in the 3 years I've used it, so a steel gear sleeve seems to be overkill.

Could push it up to a 50 lb top shot but that would be a splice to 50 lb braid main. Even then, the 16.5 lbs would be enough.

The handle upgrade is a must, IMHO.

YMMV...





Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: jigmaster501 on October 14, 2018, 05:50:20 PM
I was just looking at the holes for a 50h bridge. they seem to match the holes for the super hi speed 30sh... if that is the case, we could use a 50h bridge with a 50h sleeve to use a 50h handle without carving new handles... I will have to take a close look tomorrow.

has anyone else with a 30sh seen this????


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: jigmaster501 on October 16, 2018, 11:12:17 AM
The bridge wont work.

See the cortez page for a custom sleeve possibility.



Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Decker on August 01, 2019, 05:46:30 AM
Hey Porthos, thanks for all your research and postings on the Sealine reels! 

I have a 30H and am thinking of using it as a heavier surf rod for sharking (up to six feet NJ).  Do you think this reel be used for distance casting?  I'd be throwing "8 and bait"  (up to 8 oz sinker and a big chunk of bait).  Any opinion on cast-ability? 


Title: Re: Daiwa Sealine 30H
Post by: Porthos on August 01, 2019, 06:19:23 PM
Hey Porthos, thanks for all your research and postings on the Sealine reels! 

I have a 30H and am thinking of using it as a heavier surf rod for sharking (up to six feet NJ).  Do you think this reel be used for distance casting?  I'd be throwing "8 and bait"  (up to 8 oz sinker and a big chunk of bait).  Any opinion on cast-ability? 

Haven't casted the 30H or SMF175 for distance. Just did enough to get the bait fish away from the boat. Would say they probably have the same performance as the Monofils, Surfmasters, and Jigmasters given the bearing types and overall size.