since many years ago I have always used fishing shirts with UV protection SPF, and lately I've been using head mask to protect ears and neck on the orginal brand BUFF with SPF too.
but, does anyone knows how the SPF on fabric works? how many times I can wash my shirts and masks until the SPF protection goes out?
I been thinking in getting some fishing mask with NO UV protection since they are 50% to 60% cheaper than the ones with UV, if I put some sunscreen on the neck and ears and the fishing mask (with no UV) I think it would be as good as the ones sold exclusively for fishing (UV) right?
what do you guys think on this?
not really worried on the savings for the fishing mask, heck its no more than 10 bucks savings, but mostly asking if someone knows how the UV on clothes work and how longs is the same shirt, pant, mask still giving UV protection..
I only have one spf type shirt. But I think you are way ahead of the game either way. Since I have no experience with the head buff, I'll be tuning in to see what others say.
Great subject to bring up. I'm seeing the results of working outside my whole life. My skin is constantly in a state of dryness / peeling, even with lotion all the time.
I fish with a long sleeve polo, pop the collar, wide brimmed straw hat, and a buff (SPF 50+ nylon balaclava).
Just recently started using the open hand gloves with cover the back of my hands...
Sun is so strong here in AUS...
Hi All,
We get don't get a lot of direct sun here on the beach, but get seriously burned through the mist.
Waterproof SP50 for exposed skin, UV shirt or full jacket and UV buff for head and neck protection - essential.
Skin cancer is the highest form of cancer in Africa - no point taking the risk.
Cheers
Jeri
Quote from: Jeri on April 23, 2015, 08:07:13 AM
Waterproof SP50 for exposed skin, UV shirt or full jacket and UV buff for head and neck protection - essential.
Skin cancer is the highest form of cancer in Africa - no point taking the risk.
I live in the most dry zone in Baja, essentially in the Baja desert so sun is always hot here, so I always all covered mostly with SPF clothes but does anybody knows were the clothe is not longer UV protected or is somethings that it will be on the shirt forever?
Steelfish,
I use all the SPF clothes also, I believe that they have a limited/finite number of washings before they loose their protection. Try going online to Colombia sportswear or Exofficio or something and they should be able to tell you.
Leo
Interesting subject, since my skin is much more sensitive to sunlight because of the medication i have to take. I use a sun tan lotion and have not tried SPF rated clothing. However after reading this post I am going to do some research on it for myself. Thanks for posting this Steelfish.
i just use long sleeve shirts and a spf/uv fishing mask. Sometimes down here it can get to like 94° with like a 100° feeling so yeah it gets really hot.
I called Columbia and their PFG rated clothing will last for at least 100 washings and if the fabric fails it is covered under warrant. I just purchased two shirts one for me and one for my wife.
Quote from: Reel 224 on April 23, 2015, 05:27:03 PM
I called Columbia and their PFG rated clothing will last for at least 100 washings and if the fabric fails it is covered under warrant. I just purchased two shirts one for me and one for my wife.
dang.. that was fast, thanks compadre, thanks for called them for me LOL..100 washes (sic) are a lot..
you will be enjoying their fishing shirts, they have many models to chose from.
they really help you to go out and fishing and forget about sunburn, now you need a fishing mask "BUFF" to be all set, even if you dont like to use it over your head it helps a lot having the mask around your neck which gets sunburned even with a nice hat.
this is how I normally go fishing since almost 5 years ago.
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even with the mask off your face your neck and ears are still covered..
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I think shirts must have UV protection and mask as well, but on the mask "could" be not necessary if you are wearing a hat or cap
UV penetrates, therefore the treated clothing.
Leo
I also treat some of my outdoor clothing with insect repellant. You can add some to your wash and your clothes are good for several/many washings (not 100 washings).
Leo
Quote from: steelfish on April 23, 2015, 07:52:39 PM
this is how I normally go fishing since almost 5 years ago.
I'm a little like this too. I joke with my wife that I look like the invisible man when I'm in the sun. Kinda like this in freshwater; in salt it's sillier (typically neoprene farmer's wetsuit + sun shirt+ neoprene boots + hat):
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u135/newfuturevintage/collins20fishing.jpg)
Plug here for seirus hats. Got one last year and love it it's in the pic above. Just got another with a wider brim, and it looks like it'll be stellar. About $40-50us, it's a hat with integrated balaclava that can hang down as a shade or cover as a buff would. Bonus: the hat won't blow off as it's stitched to the neck covering.
Quote from: newfuturevintage on April 23, 2015, 08:13:57 PM
Quote from: steelfish on April 23, 2015, 07:52:39 PM
this is how I normally go fishing since almost 5 years ago.
I'm a little like this too. I joke with my wife that I look like the invisible man when I'm in the sun. Kinda like this in freshwater; in salt it's sillier (typically neoprene farmer's wetsuit + sun shirt+ neoprene boots + hat):
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u135/newfuturevintage/collins20fishing.jpg)
Plug here for seirus hats. Got one last year and love it it's in the pic above. Just got another with a wider brim, and it looks like it'll be stellar. About $40-50us, it's a hat with integrated balaclava that can hang down as a shade or cover as a buff would. Bonus: the hat won't blow off as it's stitched to the neck covering.
Do you have a web link for the hat?????
sure. This is the one in the pic:
http://www.amazon.com/Seirus-Innovation-Floppy-Deluxe-Medium/dp/B0091SJ4U4/ref=sr_1_2?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1429821214&sr=1-2&keywords=seirus
and this is the one I received last week (in green, not black):
http://www.amazon.com/Seirus-Innovation-Aussie-Protection-X-Large/dp/B0091SJ602/ref=sr_1_3?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1429821214&sr=1-3&keywords=seirus
Both are good, the first is nice as it's got a solid top if you're a bit thin up there, the second's strength is it's not a floppy brim, so it plays better in light wind.
Thanx for the quick response. Very interesting concept, I may try soon.
Leo
I got one hat similar to those you linked, where the shade/mask was integrated to the hat but it didnt worked for me, since they are integrated as one product by buttons or velcro I didnt feel as "free" as having one mask and hat separately. hard to explain, tho.
with two separated products If I feel my head warm or sweaty I just take the hat off get some fresh air and continue few minutes fishing with no hat until wearing in again, dealing with clips, buttons, velcro put me out from this concept.. but it was bit different than those you linked, props if they work for you
Another benefit of a face gator is protection from the wind.
Dried out skin and then sun splashed is a bad combination.
I don't leave the dock without one.
When I spent sunrise to sunset on a small islet in a remote atoll for 4 summers, I quickly learned to appreciate using protective clothing, and sunscreen, and I don't have a high propensity to burn. Back then (2002-2006), I used Columbia long pants, long sleeve shirts, gator, and hat. Others used the gloves as well. Maui Jim sunglasses for looking at stuff above the water, Costas for looking through the water. I spent over 7,000 hours watching shark behaviour in shallow water, and the Costas were great. We took sharks using a bow, long-handled (14') custom harpoon, and yaking baits out with spectra handlines/rope/bouy systems. I'm a believer in quality sunprotective clothing, and eyewear when on or near the water in low lattitudes.
Hi, this is a subject very near to my heart.
I'm up number 61 skin cancer removed with burning, scalpel and radiation including 5 melanomas.
Also lost my 58 year old sister 4 years ago with Melanoma.
I use Buffs, SP50 rated shirts, shorts and trousers, replaced every 12 months because of this subject title, fingerless gloves and a broad brimmed hat.
But, I was also told by my Surgeon that the sun damage has already happened by the time you are 5 years old, and being bought of in inland western Australia in the 50/60 when it was uncool to wear a hat I guess I know what my fate lies.
Please cover up.
Straw hat, polaroid's & lots of sunblock. I heard stories of guys fishing in singlet's on alloy boats & getting sunburnt armpits from the reflection from the floor sounds nasty.
Rgds
Mark
Quote from: MFB on April 24, 2015, 05:58:04 AMI heard stories of guys fishing in singlet's on alloy boats & getting sunburnt armpits from the reflection from the floor sounds nasty.
Thats why I am adding some black tint to my white epoxy based paint when I paint the interior of my boat.
Quote from: Dave Bentley on April 24, 2015, 05:32:34 AM
Hi, this is a subject very near to my heart.
I'm up number 61 skin cancer removed with burning, scalpel and radiation including 5 melanomas.
Also lost my 58 year old sister 4 years ago with Melanoma.
I use Buffs, SP50 rated shirts, shorts and trousers, replaced every 12 months because of this subject title, fingerless gloves and a broad brimmed hat.
But, I was also told by my Surgeon that the sun damage has already happened by the time you are 5 years old, and being bought of in inland western Australia in the 50/60 when it was uncool to wear a hat I guess I know what my fate lies.
Please cover up.
You have brought up some great points Dave, when you spoke of your youth. In the 40s and 50s when I was young and always at the beach in summer as my father had a Gas station & auto repair one block from the ocean. Hats and special clothing didn't exist and suntan lotion was minimal at best. Being Italian we thought the darker tan was just our nature and touted it. I'm now 69 years old and I have been extremely fortunate not to have any skin Cancer as of now, but I am doing everything I can to prevent to much exposure to sun now and this thread definitely brought it into light even more.
I live at a high elevation and people burn easy here. I limit my exposure until I get a base tan and then don't worry about it and a hat keeps my face shaded....a straw hat in the summer. Did not have to worry about sun exposure in SE Alaska.
I do not like exposing my self to chemicals like sun block, UV blocking clothes is a better idea.
BTW, I'm a cancer survivor but not skin cancer.
Good informative post.
As an old fair-skinned gringo who spends 4+- months a year in Baja, sun protection is important to me. I also have spent my time with dermatologists to remove skin lesions caused by the sun. I have found that almost any clothing gives pretty good protection. I use a strong sun screen lotion on any exposed skin. That being said I have recently purchased some of the sun-block shirts from Cabela's and plan to use them on all fishing days on my next trip to Baja. My problem seems to be with the hat. I don't have much hair and wear a hat all the time I am in the sun. I also sweat a LOT on the head so I have been wearing a wide-brimmed hat, but one with a solid top but with a ring of screen so the head can breathe... Due to reflections I get a sun burn on top of my head even though I am wearing the hat that has the solid top.
When not fishing I do not have the problem with burning the top of my head. The logical solution would be (on fishing days) to use sun block on top of the head too. That advice might work with a "young person" but with an old gringo, I just don't remember!! ;D I see the pictures of the hats you are recommending, but do the little vents on the side give adequate ventilation??
By the way, I have always been told that the sun reflections that are burning you in these situations are coming from the reflection from the water. Seemed to make sense to me.
TomT
Hi Tom--
In your situation, what I'd do would be to wear a solid hat that you can soak in some water to cool down my melon. The first hat I posted wouldn't have enough ventilation for you; the second would, but would still burn you through the mesh on the sides.
Hope that helps,
Ron
In regards to eye protection,
A friend of mine works closely with the eye doctors at the Jules Stein Eye Institute at UCLA. Shortly after working there I noticed her wearing sun glasses and asked whats up with the sun glasses. They were very nice prescription sun glasses. I wear prescription glasses with the works (UV, photo gray w/polarization,etc.). She stated the talks w/doctors and findings in their reports stress protecting the eyes from ALL UV rays which are very damaging.
Leo
that's what I still need, some nice polarized & UV protected sun glasses, I use el cheapo $30 bucks fishing polarized sunglasses that works really good, nothing close to those Costa del mar, serengetti, etc
This is how I fish and beach, friends give me a hard time but like many of you, it seems, skin cancer runs through our family. My dad gets spots removed every year...but he sunbathed with Iodine and baby oil... ::)
Don't mind the absolute HUGENESS OF THIS RARE SPECIES...haha.
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg170/funferdriver/P8040002_zps520fcbe5.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/funferdriver/media/P8040002_zps520fcbe5.jpg.html)
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg170/funferdriver/10-26_3_zps81ba27c6.jpg) (http://s248.photobucket.com/user/funferdriver/media/10-26_3_zps81ba27c6.jpg.html)
Watch that you don't get your 6 locked up in NY with that mask.
Mike
Dan,
Just judging from your picture your dad was old (young) enough to be past the baby oil/iodine era. I grew up in the late 40's and 50's and baby oil with iodine was considered the ULTIMATE in protection ::) ::) This mixture was just about all anyone used then except nerds and lifeguards who also put zinc oxide across the bridge of their nose (it looked like a coating of white paint across your nose).
After you were sunburned, you would get a cold bath to lessen the burn and then treat you with rubbing alcohol or vinegar--no one remembers why??? But they did make your skin temporarily "feel" cooler. By the way most fair skinned people of my generation have annual treatments with a dermatologist to try to slow down the damage we experienced from the sun exposure---So keep up with your "ninja" ;) wardrobe and hopefully you can skip the trips to the dermatologist!!
Also we all are interested in what is the "bait" you were using?? ;D ;)
TomT
We received our shipment yesterday from Columbia, two nice shirts and a visor for my wife all SPF. Very nice looking shirts,light and cool.
Quote from: Reel 224 on May 01, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
We received our shipment yesterday from Columbia, two nice shirts and a visor for my wife all SPF. Very nice looking shirts,light and cool.
Next time on BPS or a Columbia official Store..check out those nice shirts that looks like dress shirts, discrete hole vents instead of the normal big vents on the back and with nice 50 SPF protection
I have 2 of them and use them to go fishing and go to work too
Quote from: steelfish on May 01, 2015, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: Reel 224 on May 01, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
We received our shipment yesterday from Columbia, two nice shirts and a visor for my wife all SPF. Very nice looking shirts,light and cool.
Next time on BPS or a Columbia official Store..check out those nice shirts that looks like dress shirts, discrete hole vents instead of the normal big vents on the back and with nice 50 SPF protection
I have 2 of them and use them to go fishing and go to work too
Yes those are the shirts we purchased.
Tom - Dad grew up in the 50's and called Delaware and Florida Beaches home. We grew up around the water and ALWAYS had the blue zinc on our noses and under our eyes...we just thought we were football players or superheros!
That was in Coronado, bait was Gulp! sandworms...the grass/seaweed was super thick while we were there, just happy to have any type of fish...even if they ranged from 4" - 6" HAHA!
Columbia Sportwear and spray on sun block for me - That's if we get any sun in the UK :-\
My recent visit to dermatologist I was reminded the importance of sun protection. I tend to forget to continuously reapply sunscreen when I'm on the water. Bought a long sleeve UPF 50 shirt - which seems to help.
I often wear baseball cap and sunglasses. The flexfit caps tend to be tight for my head and start to hurt after a while. Recently found www.solmask.com, which has a decent fishing face masks collection https://www.solmask.com/collections/fishing
Being a native of Southern Arizona my whole life I've had lots of exposure to sun! When we were younger we thought it was "cool" to be tan! Now, I realize the dangers of overexposed skin. After too many family members and friends have dealt with skin cancer and other problems, I have taken a new path!!!
First, I am a firm believer in a good quality sunscreen. Put it on before you leave the house, anywhere that might be exposed! Then wear clothing that will cover your skin, with SPF protection! Columbia, Orvris, and Cabelas, all offer great quality long sleeved shirts, that offer protection and still keep you comfortable with venting to keep you cool!
Add a hat, a good head/neck buff, and start fishing. Reapply sunscreen every few hours and keep fishing ;D
As far as eye protection....I firmly believe that you get what you pay for! Good sunglasses are a must! I've tried cheaper ones, and my eyes feel strained by the end of the day.
As a side note, I always bring a container of facial/hand wipes with me. That way I can refresh my face before re-applying sunnsreen, and when it feels like sunscreen is sweating into my eyes!
Brett
They were calling us Team Terrorist since we were all fishing with buffs pulled up.
I just bought my first UV long sleeve shirt this past fall, wore it in PV fishing with the Osuna Bros. haven't tried any of the face protection yet, maybe this year.
I was puzzled, thinking that all clothing would provide a physical barrier to light penetration; and that all this sun-protective clothing was a bunch of hype. I was wrong. Here's a link to some info on sun-protective clothing, and I've also attached it as a pdf in case it disappears from the net. http://www.skincancer.org/prevention/sun-protection/clothing/protection
There's a lot more to it than what I was originally thinking. From what I read in the article it's all about the tightness of the weave of the fabric as well as the addition of UV-absorbing dyes. I didn't read anything about the addition of anything that washes off after 100 washes, so I still question the validity of that concept, but I remain open to additional information. The fading of the UV-absorbing dyes may be what that is all about. I also didn't read every word of this article; it might have been mentioned. If I missed it, please let me know.
Sid
For some perspective, Consumer Reports tested some shirts for SPF. Even a Hanes Beefy-T cotton shirt tested with an SPF over 100, so you don't necessarily need to buy into the hype of SPF rated clothing to get some protection. The SPF rated clothing will do better when wet, though.
"As impressive as those results are, they don't seem so remarkable when you consider that the two other garments we tested, which aren't claimed to provide any UV protection, did very well, too. A cotton Hanes Beefy-T long-sleeve T-shirt, $13, and an Eastbay Evapor long-sleeve compression crew made of the same polyester/spandex blend as the Coolibar top, $18 delivered UPFs of 115 and 392 respectively. Even when wet, the Hanes Beefy-T, which is thicker than a regular T-shirt, offered a UPF of 39, which we judge to be a respectable level of protection. Coolibar's UPF actually increased when it got wet, to 211, and Eastbay's dipped to 304."
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/05/testing-sun-protective-clothing/index.htm
Quote from: OnoEric on April 09, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
For some perspective, Consumer Reports tested some shirts for SPF. Even a Hanes Beefy-T cotton shirt tested with an SPF over 100, so you don't necessarily need to buy into the hype of SPF rated clothing to get some protection. The SPF rated clothing will do better when wet, though.
"As impressive as those results are, they don't seem so remarkable when you consider that the two other garments we tested, which aren't claimed to provide any UV protection, did very well, too. A cotton Hanes Beefy-T long-sleeve T-shirt, $13, and an Eastbay Evapor long-sleeve compression crew made of the same polyester/spandex blend as the Coolibar top, $18 delivered UPFs of 115 and 392 respectively. Even when wet, the Hanes Beefy-T, which is thicker than a regular T-shirt, offered a UPF of 39, which we judge to be a respectable level of protection. Coolibar's UPF actually increased when it got wet, to 211, and Eastbay's dipped to 304."
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/05/testing-sun-protective-clothing/index.htm
Thanks for sharing. Good information.
I am in the not crowd when it comes to buff's and SPF rated shirts. Though I do use a good spray SPF 50 water resistant sunscreen on any exposed skin. For me comfort is a must while fishing, so in hot weather I mainly wear T-shirts and shorts. I have never got sunburned under a normal shirt or shorts and even get a "farmers" tan on my body and legs where the exposed skin with the SPF 50 gets darker than the areas covered by clothes not SPF rated.
I say if your comfortable wearing more clothes or buff's in hot weather go for it as I'm sure they offer more protection than sunscreen alone.
I have been doing the sunscreen, T's and shorts for a really long time in Baja and So Cal.
Back in the day
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/SoCalAngler1/Marks087_zps4a31f42d.jpg)
until present my clothing has not changed all that much.
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/SoCalAngler1/IMG_0649%202_zpsmj1dhsjs.jpg)
I am in Florida, went out a few weeks back, planned on a quick trip. Wore shorts and sunscreen, quick trip turned into me paddling around for 5ish hours. Was too busy dehooking catfish to re sunscreen and my legs were a bright red. Next weekend went out with Nick but the night before bought a $70 pair of Huk pants. They protected my skin and remained comfortable after being out on the water peddling the hobie around. I tend to pay for the comfort these pricey clothes provide as well as the sun protection. Columbia's magic cooling circles are no joke, pricey but keep you cool and protected with no resprays.
Quote from: SoCalAngler on April 10, 2017, 12:01:27 AM
I am in the not crowd when it comes to buff's and SPF rated shirts. Though I do use a good spray SPF 50 water resistant sunscreen on any exposed skin. For me comfort is a must while fishing, so in hot weather I mainly wear T-shirts and shorts. I have never got sunburned under a normal shirt or shorts and even get a "farmers" tan on my body and legs where the exposed skin with the SPF 50 gets darker than the areas covered by clothes not SPF rated.
I say if your comfortable wearing more clothes or buff's in hot weather go for it as I'm sure they offer more protection than sunscreen alone.
I have been doing the sunscreen, T's and shorts for a really long time in Baja and So Cal.
KROQ... love it dude! These days they're alt rock, but I like that too.
Back in the day
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/SoCalAngler1/Marks087_zps4a31f42d.jpg)
until present my clothing has not changed all that much.
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/SoCalAngler1/IMG_0649%202_zpsmj1dhsjs.jpg)
Thanks Mark for recognizing the not so obvious in my post but I knew someone would get it.
Really skin cancer can be a very bad thing so I was not trying to make light of it. I just wanted to show with protection, and I do take this seriously, that there is more than one way to cover one self. But, do watch the sun and how it can harm you. My father every time he comes up to the states gets something burned or cut off his body due to sun damage.
But in a lighter note going back to KROQ check this out, from 1982, the year before I graduated high school.
I will be at Catalina at least 25 times this year, just like years past.
Only click if you want a laugh.
https://youtu.be/CVJ8nDpM3LY
As an update this interesting and useful thread, I will show you how I roll now when going fishing, still with SPF shirts but I found some really nice from Columbia, this are more comfy that their regular fishing shirts with buttoms.
this ones I just found have an integrated cap/top, so the buff mask is not a must all day but still necesary if you want to cover your mouth and nose from the breeze, in the second pic you can see the buff mask in my neck.
still use the columbia fishing shirts with buttoms but this ones on the pics are more comfy in my case.